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Skjellyfetti wrote:I know consistency is a tough thing to ask for.... but, when the price of oil drops... will you blame Obama?
If it drops below what the price was when he was inaugurated, about $1.70 a gallon, I will give him credit.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:I know consistency is a tough thing to ask for.... but, when the price of oil drops... will you blame Obama?
If he were to take actions such as tapping the strategic reserve to curb speculation, streamline EPA procedures to lessen permit time, encourage more drilling, lift the gulf drilling ban, champion permitting of new refineries, back drilling on federal lands in AK, etc., then ye I would blame him for lower prices...
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kalm wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
Maybe we can provide the equipment for their massive high-speed rail project. Oops, Germany, with their industry-destroying labor unions will probably be doing that.
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Then they'll be paying 50% too much and it'll take them twice as long to build it. :coffee:
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If the oil to fry this delicious bird ever skyrocketed in price you can bet these two would be upset!

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Skjellyfetti wrote:I know consistency is a tough thing to ask for.... but, when the price of oil drops... will you blame Obama?
Yes, just as the left consistently blamed Bush and his "oil buddies" for $4 a gallon gas in 2008, and then gave him credit for the price dropping by more than half 6 months later. :roll:

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Surprise!!!

NRDC handmaiden Obama Administration minions block restarting Keystone pipeline.

Administration blocks restart of massive oil pipeline, citing leaks

By Andrew Restuccia - 06/03/11 05:03 PM ET

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/677-e2 ... ting-leaks
The Obama administration said Friday that a massive pipeline carrying oil across much of the United States must remain shut down until federal regulators are satisfied that it can operate without future leaks.

TransCanada’s Keystone pipeline leaked twice last month, fueling opposition to a pending expansion of the project, which is undergoing a wide-ranging federal review.

The Department of Transportation’s Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA) issued a “corrective action order” Friday informing TransCanada that it must take a series of steps before resuming normal operations at the pipeline, which runs from Canada to Oklahoma.

“After evaluating the foregoing preliminary findings of fact, I find that the continued operation of the pipeline without corrective measures would be hazardous to life, property and the environment,” Jeffrey Wiese, PHMSA’s associate administrator for pipeline safety, said in the order.

PHMSA is mandating that TransCanada provide a detailed “restart plan,” conduct “mechanical and metallurgical” testing, and analyze the pipeline components that failed last month.

In addition, the order instructs TransCanada to conduct a review of its entire pipeline system within 60 days, among other things.

The order comes at a politically sensitive time for TransCanada. The company is seeking federal approval to expand its Keystone pipeline to carry Canadian oil sands from Alberta to Texas.

The proposed project, known as Keystone XL, is currently undergoing a multi-agency review that is being headed up by the State Department. Comments on the project’s latest layer of environmental review are due by Monday.

Environmental groups have mounted a campaign against the Keystone XL project, arguing that it puts the country at risk of major oil spills and noting that oil sands production results in more greenhouse gas emissions than traditional oil production.

Last month’s Keystone leaks and the administration’s order will certainly fuel the fire of opposition to the proposed Keystone XL project.

The Natural Resources Defense Council pounced on the incident in a blog post Friday, arguing that the leaks and the Transportation Department’s order should serve as a “clarion call for the State Department to seriously consider the safety concerns” associated with the Keystone XL proposal.
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LeadBolt wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:I know consistency is a tough thing to ask for.... but, when the price of oil drops... will you blame Obama?
If he were to take actions ...
Well, we know THAT ain't gonna happen, so the rest of your post was moot. :tothehand:
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Skjellyfetti wrote:I know consistency is a tough thing to ask for.... but, when the price of oil drops... will you blame Obama?
In 20 years will you still blame Bush for tennis elbow and the Lindbergh baby?
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travelinman67 wrote:Surprise!!!

NRDC handmaiden Obama Administration minions block restarting Keystone pipeline.

Administration blocks restart of massive oil pipeline, citing leaks

By Andrew Restuccia - 06/03/11 05:03 PM ET

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/677-e2 ... ting-leaks
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The Obama administration said Friday that a massive pipeline carrying oil across much of the United States must remain shut down until federal regulators are satisfied that it can operate without future leaks.

TransCanada’s Keystone pipeline leaked twice last month, fueling opposition to a pending expansion of the project, which is undergoing a wide-ranging federal review.

The Department of Transportation’s Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA) issued a “corrective action order” Friday informing TransCanada that it must take a series of steps before resuming normal operations at the pipeline, which runs from Canada to Oklahoma.

“After evaluating the foregoing preliminary findings of fact, I find that the continued operation of the pipeline without corrective measures would be hazardous to life, property and the environment,” Jeffrey Wiese, PHMSA’s associate administrator for pipeline safety, said in the order.

PHMSA is mandating that TransCanada provide a detailed “restart plan,” conduct “mechanical and metallurgical” testing, and analyze the pipeline components that failed last month.

In addition, the order instructs TransCanada to conduct a review of its entire pipeline system within 60 days, among other things.
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Feds OK Keystone pipeline restart

By Ben Geman - 06/05/11 02:34 PM ET

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/677-e2 ... ne-restart
The Transportation Department has given TransCanada Corp. permission to restart its Keystone oil pipeline, just a day after blocking resumption of operations on the line that has suffered two recent leaks.
The department’s Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA), in a letter Saturday, told the company that it had approved its restart plan and that the restart could commence today.

“PHMSA’s decision follows a thorough evaluation of the company’s proposed plan, and safety activities required under the plan. As required by the Corrective Action Order, restart of the pipeline will be under restricted conditions and closely monitored by PHMSA,” the agency said in a statement Sunday.

The 1,300-mile line that runs from Canada to Oklahoma leaked roughly 400 barrels of oil in North Dakota on May 7, prompting a weeklong shutdown.

The 591,000 barrel-per-day line was closed down again after another leak was discovered in Kansas late last month.

The incidents come as TransCanada is seeking federal permission to expand the Keystone network with a pipeline to bring oil sands from Alberta to Gulf Coast refineries. The planned oil sands pipeline – which is under State Department review – is at the center of a Washington, D.C. political battle.

Green groups and some Democratic lawmakers opposing the project are pushing for a more in-depth State Department review. But House Republicans are pushing legislation to expedite a decision on the project they call vital to bolstering U.S. energy security.
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Baldy, Tman, the hIppies were right, again.

An overconsume-based economy in a world of limited resources is doomed to failure.

We're seeing the first strong signs of collapse and Obama has nothing to do with it.
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travelinman67 wrote:Surprise!!!

NRDC handmaiden Obama Administration minions block restarting Keystone pipeline.

Administration blocks restart of massive oil pipeline, citing leaks

By Andrew Restuccia - 06/03/11 05:03 PM ET

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/677-e2 ... ting-leaks
The Obama administration said Friday that a massive pipeline carrying oil across much of the United States must remain shut down until federal regulators are satisfied that it can operate without future leaks.

TransCanada’s Keystone pipeline leaked twice last month, fueling opposition to a pending expansion of the project, which is undergoing a wide-ranging federal review.

The Department of Transportation’s Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA) issued a “corrective action order” Friday informing TransCanada that it must take a series of steps before resuming normal operations at the pipeline, which runs from Canada to Oklahoma.

“After evaluating the foregoing preliminary findings of fact, I find that the continued operation of the pipeline without corrective measures would be hazardous to life, property and the environment,” Jeffrey Wiese, PHMSA’s associate administrator for pipeline safety, said in the order.

PHMSA is mandating that TransCanada provide a detailed “restart plan,” conduct “mechanical and metallurgical” testing, and analyze the pipeline components that failed last month.

In addition, the order instructs TransCanada to conduct a review of its entire pipeline system within 60 days, among other things.

The order comes at a politically sensitive time for TransCanada. The company is seeking federal approval to expand its Keystone pipeline to carry Canadian oil sands from Alberta to Texas.

The proposed project, known as Keystone XL, is currently undergoing a multi-agency review that is being headed up by the State Department. Comments on the project’s latest layer of environmental review are due by Monday.

Environmental groups have mounted a campaign against the Keystone XL project, arguing that it puts the country at risk of major oil spills and noting that oil sands production results in more greenhouse gas emissions than traditional oil production.

Last month’s Keystone leaks and the administration’s order will certainly fuel the fire of opposition to the proposed Keystone XL project.

The Natural Resources Defense Council pounced on the incident in a blog post Friday, arguing that the leaks and the Transportation Department’s order should serve as a “clarion call for the State Department to seriously consider the safety concerns” associated with the Keystone XL proposal.
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So T-man, let's take government and environmental groups completely out of the equation.

How will the free market provide us with cheap, renewable energy that minimizes health risks and dependance on foriegn oil while maintaining and expanding infrastructure?
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D1B wrote:Baldy, Tman, the hIppies were right, again.

An overconsume-based economy in a world of limited resources is doomed to failure.

We're seeing the first strong signs of collapse and Obama has nothing to do with it.
Really? Tell that to China. :coffee:

And please, tell me exactly which resources are the ones that are so limited...
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kalm wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:Surprise!!!

NRDC handmaiden Obama Administration minions block restarting Keystone pipeline.

Administration blocks restart of massive oil pipeline, citing leaks

By Andrew Restuccia - 06/03/11 05:03 PM ET

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/677-e2 ... ting-leaks



The NRDC. Ensuring America's dependence on foreign energy for the remainder of the 21st century.

:ohno:

Fuck the Obama Administration

Fuck the NRDC
So T-man, let's take government and environmental groups completely out of the equation.

How will the free market provide us with cheap, renewable energy that minimizes health risks and dependance on foriegn oil while maintaining and expanding infrastructure?
So you're expecting the government to supply us with cheap, renewable energy that minimizes health risks and dependance on foreign oil while maintaining and expanding infrastructure?

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Baldy wrote:
kalm wrote:
So T-man, let's take government and environmental groups completely out of the equation.

How will the free market provide us with cheap, renewable energy that minimizes health risks and dependance on foriegn oil while maintaining and expanding infrastructure?
So you're expecting the government to supply us with cheap, renewable energy that minimizes health risks and dependance on foreign oil while maintaining and expanding infrastructure?

:rofl:
Mixed economy. :coffee:
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Baldy wrote:
D1B wrote:Baldy, Tman, the hIppies were right, again.

An overconsume-based economy in a world of limited resources is doomed to failure.

We're seeing the first strong signs of collapse and Obama has nothing to do with it.
Really? Tell that to China. :coffee:

And please, tell me exactly which resources are the ones that are so limited...
Fresh water, tillable land, fossil fuels, air, minerals, wildlife and natural forests

How many more do you want?
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D1B wrote:
Baldy wrote: Really? Tell that to China. :coffee:

And please, tell me exactly which resources are the ones that are so limited...
Fresh water, tillable land, fossil fuels, air, minerals, wildlife and natural forests

How many more do you want?
Keep em coming. Baldy is putting this week's Klavern lesson plan together and needs some more ammo.
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D1B wrote:
Baldy wrote: Really? Tell that to China. :coffee:

And please, tell me exactly which resources are the ones that are so limited...
Fresh water, tillable land, fossil fuels, air, minerals, wildlife and natural forests

How many more do you want?
Take it easy D, Baldy is a progressive. Resources are unlimited, so is hope, and growth is perpetual. Everything is going to get better from now on. :thumb:
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eagleskins wrote:
D1B wrote: Fresh water, tillable land, fossil fuels, air, minerals, wildlife and natural forests

How many more do you want?
Keep em coming. Baldy is putting this week's Klavern lesson plan together and needs some more ammo.
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D1B wrote:
Baldy wrote: Really? Tell that to China. :coffee:

And please, tell me exactly which resources are the ones that are so limited...
Fresh water, tillable land, fossil fuels, air, minerals, wildlife and natural forests

How many more do you want?
Fresh water...plenty
Tillable land...plenty
Fossil fuels...plenty. the US has more energy reserves than any country in the world.
air...(deep breath) plenty
minerals.....ummm plenty
wildlife....everywhere, and new species being discovered every day
natural forests....EVERYWHERE and thousands of acres of forests being planted everyday.

How many more? Please, just come up with one. :coffee:
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Baldy wrote:
D1B wrote: Fresh water, tillable land, fossil fuels, air, minerals, wildlife and natural forests

How many more do you want?
Fresh water...plenty
Tillable land...plenty
Fossil fuels...plenty. the US has more energy reserves than any country in the world.
air...(deep breath) plenty
minerals.....ummm plenty
wildlife....everywhere, and new species being discovered every day
natural forests....EVERYWHERE and thousands of acres of forests being planted everyday.

How many more? Please, just come up with one. :coffee:
Give him a minute...

...he's busy searching HuffPo archives for more talking points.

Give him two minutes...

...and he'll rationalize a way to blame white Christian males.

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Baldy wrote:
D1B wrote: Fresh water, tillable land, fossil fuels, air, minerals, wildlife and natural forests

How many more do you want?
Fresh water...plentyTillable land...plenty
Fossil fuels...plenty. the US has more energy reserves than any country in the world.
air...(deep breath) plenty
minerals.....ummm plenty
wildlife....everywhere, and new species being discovered every daynatural forests....EVERYWHERE and thousands of acres of forests being planted everyday.

How many more? Please, just come up with one. :coffee:
Do some research on the enlarged ones...it ain't really that simple. :coffee:
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Here's some light reading to get you started.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/05/scien ... gewanted=2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Baldy wrote:
D1B wrote: Fresh water, tillable land, fossil fuels, air, minerals, wildlife and natural forests

How many more do you want?
Fresh water...plenty
Tillable land...plenty
Fossil fuels...plenty. the US has more energy reserves than any country in the world.
air...(deep breath) plenty
minerals.....ummm plenty
wildlife....everywhere, and new species being discovered every day
natural forests....EVERYWHERE and thousands of acres of forests being planted everyday.

How many more? Please, just come up with one. :coffee:

Baldy, learn to read. All of em are limited. The battles are already starting for them.

We're planting "natural forests"! :dunce: :rofl:
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D1B wrote:
Baldy wrote: Fresh water...plenty
Tillable land...plenty
Fossil fuels...plenty. the US has more energy reserves than any country in the world.
air...(deep breath) plenty
minerals.....ummm plenty
wildlife....everywhere, and new species being discovered every day
natural forests....EVERYWHERE and thousands of acres of forests being planted everyday.

How many more? Please, just come up with one. :coffee:

Baldy, learn to read. All of em are limited. The battles are already starting for them.

We're planting "natural forests"! :dunce: :rofl:
Natural idiots were in short supply, but we're creating more of you every day....you telling me those don't count? 8-) 8-) 8-)
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travelinman67 wrote:
Baldy wrote: Fresh water...plenty
Tillable land...plenty
Fossil fuels...plenty. the US has more energy reserves than any country in the world.
air...(deep breath) plenty
minerals.....ummm plenty
wildlife....everywhere, and new species being discovered every day
natural forests....EVERYWHERE and thousands of acres of forests being planted everyday.

How many more? Please, just come up with one. :coffee:
Give him a minute...

...he's busy searching HuffPo archives for more talking points.

Give him two minutes...

...and he'll rationalize a way to blame white Christian males.

:coffee:

Sorry Tman, the hippies were right and you know it. Looking forward to destroying your arguments here. :nod:

The upcoming Water Wars:

http://www.businessinsider.com/15-facts ... t-amount-1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://matadornetwork.com/change/40-sho ... out-water/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Overfishing and the collapse of oceanic ecosystems:

http://www.greenpeace.org/international ... erfishing/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Deforestation:

The world’s rain forests could completely vanish in a hundred years at the current rate of deforestation.

Forests are cut down for many reasons, but most of them are related to money (greed/Tman, Z, Baldy) or to people’s need to provide for their families.The biggest driver of deforestation is agriculture. Farmers cut forests to provide more room for planting crops or grazing livestock. Often many small farmers will each clear a few acres to feed their families by cutting down trees and burning them in a process known as “slash and burn” agriculture.

http://environment.nationalgeographic.c ... rview.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The devastating effects of mining and emphatic statement that they're a limited resource:

Minerals are a nonrenewable resource, and because of this, the life of mines is finite, and mining represents a temporary use of the land. The mining life cycle during this temporary use of the land can be divided into the following stages: exploration, development, extraction and processing, and mine closure. http://www.pollutionissues.com/Li-Na/Mining.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Just too easy. :nod:

The hippies were right. Humans are taking more from the planet than it can resupply. The end is beginning to happen. :nod: We all need to consume less and accept a "lower" standard of living if we're going to survive. We need to live in harmony with nature and protect it at all costs.

I seek solace in the fact that Z's, Hogans, Hens, Baldy's and Tman children, grandchildren and great grandchildren will be fighting the most brutal of wars with China and Russia over shit like minerals, food and water. They'll also be suffering from horrendous diseases and cancers brought on by pollution, animal protein and overpopulation. All issues that they their fathers, grandfathers and great grandfathers help create through their vicious lust for money and violent disregard for nature, and blind adherence to a morality based on overconsumption and selfishness.

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