Boehner: Afgan troop withdrawl bad idea

[Cap'n Cat]

No shock. Republicans LOVE war and loss of life on the battlefield. Democrats love the loss of life within the womb. They both bathe in the blood of innocents and God will unleash his mighty fucking kickass fury on their cocksucking asses someday. I'm not talking gentle Jesus, I'm talking Yahweh God Jehovah of Old Testament lore!!!

[kalm]

It's just politics. If polls showed that voters wanted us to stay, Obama would be keeping us there and Boehner would magically be calling for a withdrawal.

[houndawg]

Hey ******* a salute looks like this.

That is the sorriest excuse for a salute I ever did see, looks like he can't find his nose to pick it. And how do you breathe with a chin-strap stuck in your nose.

[houndawg]

No shock. Republicans LOVE war and loss of life on the battlefield. Democrats love the loss of life within the womb. They both bathe in the blood of innocents and God will unleash his mighty **** kickass fury on their cocksucking asses someday. I'm not talking gentle Jesus, I'm talking Yahweh God Jehovah of Old Testament lore!!!

Time to get the meds adjusted.

Hey, did you hear the one about the winemaker, the textile worker, and the coal miner?

The corksoaker, the socktucker, and the cokesacker?

[Grizalltheway]

Hey ******* a salute looks like this.

That is the sorriest excuse for a salute I ever did see, looks like he can't find his nose to pick it. And how do you breathe with a chin-strap stuck in your nose.

Through his mouth, like all CID-ers.

[citdog]

Hey ******* a salute looks like this.

That is the sorriest excuse for a salute I ever did see, looks like he can't find his nose to pick it. And how do you breathe with a chin-strap stuck in your nose.

with the chicken bucket on your head and the inability to raise your arm up any higher due to the uniform it is a good effort by this young man. those who have never worn either have no idea what i'm talking about.

[kalm]

Hey ******* a salute looks like this.

That is the sorriest excuse for a salute I ever did see, looks like he can't find his nose to pick it. And how do you breathe with a chin-strap stuck in your nose.

Depending on where your face is, sometimes it's hard breathing with one stuck in the right spot. at least from what I've heard.

[travelinman67]

with the chicken bucket on your head and the inability to raise your arm up any higher due to the uniform it is a good effort by this young man. those who have never worn either have no idea what i'm talking about.

So, if he lacks enough upper body strength to overcome the resistance of the jacket, how's he able to lift the luggage?

[AZGrizFan]

Ask KY. It's the right place to be, according to him.

It's time to start withdrawing according to me and Obama and Petraeus.

Your Repubs want to keep us there long term. McCain (who would be president if you had your way) wants us to send more troops to Libya and Afghanistan. He (along with Boehner) thinks July is too soon to start withdrawing troops from Afghanistan. Somehow you can't wrap your head around the fact that you are on Obama's side of this issue.

And McCain is wrong about Libya.

See KY? That isn't so hard.....it's called "free thinking".

[AZGrizFan]

It's just politics. If polls showed that voters wanted us to stay, Obama would be keeping us there and Boehner would magically be calling for a withdrawal.

[BDKJMU]

Alread, read the article and paid close attention to Boehner's quotes.

Dback's thread title "Boehner: Afgan troop withdrawl bad idea" as is the title of the article, "In Afghanistan, House Speaker John Boehner assails pullout plan" are misleading. Boehner isn't quoted as saying there shouldn't be the beginnings of a troop drawdown. Here's what he said:

"Any drawdown of US troops must be based on the conditions on the ground, not on political calculations." Didn't say t shouldn't begin troop draw downs in July. Just said should be based on conditions on the ground, not political calculations. Nothing wrong there.

"If the Obama administration insists on beginning to draw down troops in July, it must explain how the pace and scope of such a move will not undermine the tenuous progress we've made thus far."
Didn't say shouldn't begin troop draw downs in July, just that need to some splainin before beginning the troop drawdown. Nothing wrong there.

"To date, it has not done so." Ok, time for the Obama admin to do some splainin'. Nothing wrong there.

"During our meeting with General Petraeus, he noted that security gains have been made in Afghanistan, but that they are fragile and reversible," Ok, didn't say shouldn't begin troop draw downs in July, just noted that Petraeus said they are fragile and reversible.

Petraeus made his comments to Congress a month ago. If the condition changes between mid April and July to where he believes it wouldn't warrant the begginiing of a withdrawl, I'm sure he'll say so.

So this whole thread sounds like a bunch of unecessary hub-bub. A misleading article title and a misleading thread title by d-back trying to stir the pot.

But now you're going to have idiots on here and elsewhere falsely claiming that Boehner is against a troop drawdown in Afghanistan.

Really nothing to see here. This whole thread is much ado about nothing.

What is this "tenuous progress" that we are alleged to have made?

And what are these "security gains" that are "fragile and reversible"?

W went into Afghanistan to get Osama bin Laden and failed.

What is the mission now, BD, and when did it change from getting bin Laden?


Get out of Afghanistan and Iraq yesterday.

No, we went into Afghanistan to dismantle Al-Qaeda and ending its use of Afghanistan as a base for terrorist operations to launch attacks worlwide. In that have largely succeeded.

[houndawg]

What is this "tenuous progress" that we are alleged to have made?

And what are these "security gains" that are "fragile and reversible"?

W went into Afghanistan to get Osama bin Laden and failed.

What is the mission now, BD, and when did it change from getting bin Laden?


Get out of Afghanistan and Iraq yesterday.

No, we went into Afghanistan to dismantle Al-Qaeda and ending its use of Afghanistan as a base for terrorist operations to launch attacks worlwide. In that have largely succeeded.

So why are we still there if we have succeeded? An extra couple of billion per month would come in handy these days....

[Skjellyfetti]

So why are we still there if we have succeeded? An extra couple of billion per month would come in handy these days....

We'll be beginning the withdrawal in a little over a month. Calm down.

[houndawg]

So why are we still there if we have succeeded? An extra couple of billion per month would come in handy these days....

We'll be beginning the withdrawal in a little over a month. Calm down.

How long will that take?

[BDKJMU]

No, we went into Afghanistan to dismantle Al-Qaeda and ending its use of Afghanistan as a base for terrorist operations to launch attacks worlwide. In that have largely succeeded.

So why are we still there if we have succeeded? An extra couple of billion per month would come in handy these days....

As I said, went into Afghanistan to dismantle Al-Qaeda and ending its use of Afghanistan as a base for terrorist operations to launch attacks worlwide. Again in that have largely succeeded. Have succeeded because we've stayed there for 9 1/2+ years. Helped the rebels remove the Taliban from power, dismantle Ql Qaeda (by killing, capturing and causing them to flee Afghanistan), blow up their terrorist training camps, etc, which only took a weeks to a few months. If had then pulled out ground troops shortly thereafter, leaving a power vacum, then only used limited airpower & cruise missles to try to keep Al Qaeda from reconstituting itself in Afghanistan, within a few years, the Taliban along with Al Qaeda, would be right back in business, terrorist training camps and all, using it as a base of ops to plan and carry out terrorist attacks. And we would be right back to square one. So attempted to create a viable democratic state so as soon as we left Afghanistan it wouldn't soon return to being a haven for Al Qaeda. This obviously has been very difficult and taken a very long time because with a back ass country filled with a bunch of rag heads and camel jockeys.

Now sure I would have rather just turned the whole country into a friggin parking lot, nukes if necessary, as opposed to using ground troops, which is what AZ suggested, and doing it again if Al Qaeda ever returned, but we know no conk or donk POTUS is ever going to do that, not without at least trying to create a viable democratic state 1st Kind of like abolishing the fed, or IRS. I wish, but it ain't happening.

Now hopefully situation will continue to improve, or at least won't worsen, and will start to slowly drawdown in July.

And if the current Afghan govt collapses after we leave, and the Taliban & Al Qaeda return and we are right back to square one, and god forbid you had another 9/11 launched out of there, maybe you would see the turn it into a a parking lot option carried out.

[houndawg]

So why are we still there if we have succeeded? An extra couple of billion per month would come in handy these days....

As I said, went into Afghanistan to dismantle Al-Qaeda and ending its use of Afghanistan as a base for terrorist operations to launch attacks worlwide. Again in that have largely succeeded. Have succeeded because we've stayed there for 8 1/2+ years. Helped the rebels remove the Taliban from power, dismantle Ql Qaeda (by killing, capturing and causing them to flee Afghanistan), blow up their terrorist training camps, etc, which only took a weeks to a few months. If had then pulled out ground troops shortly thereafter, leaving a power vacum, then only used limited airpower & cruise missles to try to keep Al Qaeda from reconstituting itself in Afghanistan, within a few years, the Taliban along with Al Qaeda, would be right back in business, terrorist training camps and all, using it as a base of ops to plan and carry out terrorist attacks. And we would be right back to square one. So attempted to create a viable democratic state so as soon as we left Afghanistan it wouldn't soon return to being a haven for Al Qaeda. This obviously has been very difficult and taken a very long time because with a back ass country filled with a bunch of rag heads and camel jockeys.

Now sure I would have rather just turned the whole country into a friggin parking lot, nukes if necessary, as opposed to using ground troops, which is what AZ suggested, and doing it again if Al Qaeda ever returned, but we know no conk or donk POTUS is ever going to do that, not without at least trying to create a viable democratic state 1st Kind of like abolishing the fed, or IRS. I wish, but it ain't happening.

Now hopefully situation will continue to improve, or at least won't worsen, and will start to slowly drawdown in July.

And if the current Afghan govt collapses after we leave, and the Taliban & Al Qaeda return and we are right back to square one, and god forbid you had another 9/11 launched out of there, maybe you would see the turn it into a a parking lot option carried out.

That's what our $2,000,000/month gets us? "Hopefully"?

[CID1990]

Hey ******* a salute looks like this.

That is the sorriest excuse for a salute I ever did see, looks like he can't find his nose to pick it. And how do you breathe with a chin-strap stuck in your nose.

The full dress blouse was notoriously difficult to salute in. It could be easily done with the upper arm parallel to the ground, but you ran the significant risk of ripping the armpit out (in fact that is precisely what would happen after about a month or two.) That blouse has been tailored that way for at least 100 years, and is meant to conform to a very stiff posture. It was also not intended for hand saluting, rather presenting arms with an actual rifle OR saluting with a sword which does not require the bearer to lift his upper arm above 45 degrees to the ground. Those blouses are the same at all the schools that use them, and you'll see those modified salutes when cadets are wearing them.

As for the shako strap. Under the nose is one of the two proper places for it to be worn. The other is just below the bottom lip. NEVER under the chin. (Unless you are in the Ronald McDonald Band or something equally feminine)

Here endeth the lesson for you gayboy types.

[houndawg]

Thanks for the info CID, good to know where to get advice if I decide to go gay.

[Skjellyfetti]

That is the sorriest excuse for a salute I ever did see, looks like he can't find his nose to pick it. And how do you breathe with a chin-strap stuck in your nose.

The full dress blouse was notoriously difficult to salute in. It could be easily done with the upper arm parallel to the ground, but you ran the significant risk of ripping the armpit out (in fact that is precisely what would happen after about a month or two.) That blouse has been tailored that way for at least 100 years, and is meant to conform to a very stiff posture. It was also not intended for hand saluting, rather presenting arms with an actual rifle OR saluting with a sword which does not require the bearer to lift his upper arm above 45 degrees to the ground. Those blouses are the same at all the schools that use them, and you'll see those modified salutes when cadets are wearing them.

As for the shako strap. Under the nose is one of the two proper places for it to be worn. The other is just below the bottom lip. NEVER under the chin. (Unless you are in the Ronald McDonald Band or something equally feminine)

Here endeth the lesson for you gayboy types.

You're the one rambling on about blouses.

[citdog]

The full dress blouse was notoriously difficult to salute in. It could be easily done with the upper arm parallel to the ground, but you ran the significant risk of ripping the armpit out (in fact that is precisely what would happen after about a month or two.) That blouse has been tailored that way for at least 100 years, and is meant to conform to a very stiff posture. It was also not intended for hand saluting, rather presenting arms with an actual rifle OR saluting with a sword which does not require the bearer to lift his upper arm above 45 degrees to the ground. Those blouses are the same at all the schools that use them, and you'll see those modified salutes when cadets are wearing them.

As for the shako strap. Under the nose is one of the two proper places for it to be worn. The other is just below the bottom lip. NEVER under the chin. (Unless you are in the Ronald McDonald Band or something equally feminine)

Here endeth the lesson for you gayboy types.

You're the one rambling on about blouses.

and you felch with travis......your point?

[ASUG8]

Our prescence or absence from Afghanistan is probably borderline irrelevant in the long term. If you think that us building schools and handing out candy to kids is going to quell the tribal conflicts that have gone on for thousands of years you're sorely mistaken. There's no doubt in my mind that the world is a better place with Saddam out of power, but the mission creep that has occurred since we initally went into Iraq (with unanimous popular and Congressional support, mind you) is what I believe is the issue today. We had what we believed to be a reason to go in, but no way out and no cohesive strategy for what we're trying to accomplish.

That sandpit will go right back to its old ways as soon as we're gone, but it's arguably a little better with our prescence. I'd like to see every service member home unless we could define the mission more clearly and frame it out for the US public. Iran will do what they can to fill the vacuum we create in Iraq by completely withdrawing - it's not a great position to be in. If we stay we're "nation building", if we leave we're "turning our backs on those in need". I wouldn't want to be in Obama's shoes now any more than I'd want to have been GWB dealing with a post 9/11 world.

[Skjellyfetti]

There wasn't unanimous popular or Congressional support for the Iraq war.

I agree with most everything else in your post, though.

[ASUG8]

There wasn't unanimous popular or Congressional support for the Iraq war.

I agree with most everything else in your post, though.

http://articles.cnn.com/2002-10-11/poli ... LLPOLITICS" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.cfr.org/iraq/most-americans- ... tein/p5051" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Change "unanimous" to "significant majority".

[BDKJMU]

This certainly doesn't help matters...

Nearly 500 Taliban flee in daring Afghan jailbreak
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Appaholic]

This certainly doesn't help matters...

Nearly 500 Taliban flee in daring Afghan jailbreak
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yep. That jailbreak alone probably doubled the size of Al Queda in Afghanistan....looks like we'll be there for another 8 1/2 yrs rounding up the escapees....