Dumb@$$ NY Lib claims pro-lifers are "out to kill women"

[CitadelGrad]

she's not wrong - maybe rhetorically overwrought, but her point is rooted in accuracy.

2. The GOP is whipped up about Title X because 25% of the $300 million ($75 million) goes to Planned Parenthood - and even though federal law REPEATEDLY bans funding for abortions... conks are CONVINCED that somehow it magically does... (oddly, only 3% of PP's budget goes to abortion services in the first place)

I laugh every time I hear someone say this. Even though there is a prohibition against funding abortions with federal money, it is meaningless. You cannot distinguish one dollar from another. In the finance and accounting worlds it's called the fungible property of capital.

When Planned Parenthood receives a dollar from a charitable contribution by a private citizen, it goes on PP's balance sheet as a cash asset. When PP receives a dollar from the federal government, it goes on PP's balance sheet as a cash asset. You cannot distinguish between the two dollars. If 3% of PP's cash assets are allocated for abortions, then 3% of the dollar received from the federal government is allocated for abortion.

You don't have to be a CPA to understand this concept. It's just common sense.

[SuperHornet]

PP has been documented to use abortion as population control. This is unsupportable.

I have no problem supporting it. There are already too many people in this country & on this planet. The last thing this country needs is more children who are not wanted, will be neglected or abused & will end up being a leach on the government programs that are already stretched thin or in danger of being cut altogether by the same people who insisted that these children be born, whether they were wanted or not.

Except for the fact that it's RACIAL population control.

[D1B]

she's not wrong - maybe rhetorically overwrought, but her point is rooted in accuracy.

2. The GOP is whipped up about Title X because 25% of the $300 million ($75 million) goes to Planned Parenthood - and even though federal law REPEATEDLY bans funding for abortions... conks are CONVINCED that somehow it magically does... (oddly, only 3% of PP's budget goes to abortion services in the first place)

I laugh every time I hear someone say this. Even though there is a prohibition against funding abortions with federal money, it is meaningless. You cannot distinguish one dollar from another. In the finance and accounting worlds it's called the fungible property of capital.

When Planned Parenthood receives a dollar from a charitable contribution by a private citizen, it goes on PP's balance sheet as a cash asset. When PP receives a dollar from the federal government, it goes on PP's balance sheet as a cash asset. You cannot distinguish between the two dollars. If 3% of PP's cash assets are allocated for abortions, then 3% of the dollar received from the federal government is allocated for abortion.

You don't have to be a CPA to understand this concept. It's just common sense.

Bullshit, conk fuck. NFP's get federal, state, local and private monies that are explicitly restricted depending on the grant or intent of the donor. Federal money has clear requirements on how it will be used and stringent reporting procedures. So much so, that my agency tries very hard to be in a position where we dont need alot of federal grant monies, cuz restricting funds is a pain in the ass and takes up valuable staff time and resources that could be used to actually help people. We have to show every reciept and allocation on a restricted grant or our audit and reputation goes in the shitter.

3/4 of our audit is accounting for these grants and restricted funds. We have about ten or so restricted accounts.

Go fuck yourself.

[travelinman67]

I laugh every time I hear someone say this. Even though there is a prohibition against funding abortions with federal money, it is meaningless. You cannot distinguish one dollar from another. In the finance and accounting worlds it's called the fungible property of capital.

When Planned Parenthood receives a dollar from a charitable contribution by a private citizen, it goes on PP's balance sheet as a cash asset. When PP receives a dollar from the federal government, it goes on PP's balance sheet as a cash asset. You cannot distinguish between the two dollars. If 3% of PP's cash assets are allocated for abortions, then 3% of the dollar received from the federal government is allocated for abortion.

You don't have to be a CPA to understand this concept. It's just common sense.

Bullshit, conk fuck. NFP's get federal, state, local and private monies that are explicitly restricted depending on the grant or intent of the donor. Federal money has clear requirements on how it will be used and stringent reporting procedures. So much so, that my agency tries very hard to be in a position where we dont need alot of federal grant monies, cuz restricting funds is a pain in the ass and takes up valuable staff time and resources that could be used to actually help people. We have to show every reciept and allocation on a restricted grant or our audit and reputation goes in the shitter.

3/4 of our audit is accounting for these grants and restricted funds. We have about ten or so restricted accounts.

Go fuck yourself.

Fungible has many interpretations. It also means that non-specific grant funds/donations, which might otherwise be used to help fund admin/overhead/education, can now be wholly diverted to abortion-related activity as the federal grants completely cover the admin/overhead/education cost of operations.

Ya' think?

[dbackjon]

I have no problem supporting it. There are already too many people in this country & on this planet. The last thing this country needs is more children who are not wanted, will be neglected or abused & will end up being a leach on the government programs that are already stretched thin or in danger of being cut altogether by the same people who insisted that these children be born, whether they were wanted or not.

Except for the fact that it's RACIAL population control.

Dude - step away from what ever propoganda you are reading/listening to. That is pile of bullshit a mile high.

More lies told by the forced-birthers.

For someone that seems to be so in tune with women and their achievement, you fall on the side of those that want to turn women into no more than breeding stock - uneducated, barefoot, stuck at home obeying their masters pumping out kids.

[Chizzang]

For someone that seems to be so in tune with women and their achievement, you fall on the side of those that want to turn women into no more than breeding stock - uneducated, barefoot, stuck at home obeying their masters pumping out kids.

DBack,
You just described his ultimate fantasy dream life...

[CitadelGrad]

Bullshit, conk fuck. NFP's get federal, state, local and private monies that are explicitly restricted depending on the grant or intent of the donor. Federal money has clear requirements on how it will be used and stringent reporting procedures. So much so, that my agency tries very hard to be in a position where we dont need alot of federal grant monies, cuz restricting funds is a pain in the ass and takes up valuable staff time and resources that could be used to actually help people. We have to show every reciept and allocation on a restricted grant or our audit and reputation goes in the shitter.

3/4 of our audit is accounting for these grants and restricted funds. We have about ten or so restricted accounts.

Go fuck yourself.

Fungible has many interpretations. It also means that non-specific grant funds/donations, which might otherwise be used to help fund admin/overhead/education, can now be wholly diverted to abortion-related activity as the federal grants completely cover the admin/overhead/education cost of operations.

Ya' think?

That's the whole point. One dollar is indistinguishable from another.

I hate to break it to D1B, but restricted donations and the effort that goes into reporting those allocations are bullshit.

[griz37]

I have no problem supporting it. There are already too many people in this country & on this planet. The last thing this country needs is more children who are not wanted, will be neglected or abused & will end up being a leach on the government programs that are already stretched thin or in danger of being cut altogether by the same people who insisted that these children be born, whether they were wanted or not.

Except for the fact that it's RACIAL population control.

Please explain to me which race it is they are controlling?

[grizzaholic]

Except for the fact that it's RACIAL population control.

Please explain to me which race it is they are controlling?

White people, DUH.

[SuperHornet]

Except for the fact that it's RACIAL population control.

Dude - step away from what ever propoganda you are reading/listening to. That is pile of bullshit a mile high.

More lies told by the forced-birthers.

For someone that seems to be so in tune with women and their achievement, you fall on the side of those that want to turn women into no more than breeding stock - uneducated, barefoot, stuck at home obeying their masters pumping out kids.

How do you get THAT drivel out of a guy who wants a female running the White House?

Women should be making equal pay for equal work (which they are in some sectors, but come woefully short in others). Women are VERY capable when in charge. But how does disallowing murder equate to turning them into breeding stock? That's a HUGE stretch.

[travelinman67]

Except for the fact that it's RACIAL population control.

Dude - step away from what ever propoganda you are reading/listening to. That is pile of bullshit a mile high.

More lies told by the forced-birthers.

"Indeed! Who would ever believe Planned Parenthood operates under a mission of racist population control ?"

[Wedgebuster]

Jesus Stupidwhorenut, either grow a pair or go ahead with that vagina implant, this gender confusion is making you crazier by the week.

[D1B]

Bullshit, conk fuck. NFP's get federal, state, local and private monies that are explicitly restricted depending on the grant or intent of the donor. Federal money has clear requirements on how it will be used and stringent reporting procedures. So much so, that my agency tries very hard to be in a position where we dont need alot of federal grant monies, cuz restricting funds is a pain in the ass and takes up valuable staff time and resources that could be used to actually help people. We have to show every reciept and allocation on a restricted grant or our audit and reputation goes in the shitter.

3/4 of our audit is accounting for these grants and restricted funds. We have about ten or so restricted accounts.

Go fuck yourself.

Fungible has many interpretations. It also means that non-specific grant funds/donations, which might otherwise be used to help fund admin/overhead/education, can now be wholly diverted to abortion-related activity as the federal grants completely cover the admin/overhead/education cost of operations.

Ya' think?

Sure can, but that's just a lame excuse for moral tyrant mysoginists like you to deny federal funding for vital family planning services provided by PP. This also aint quite what CitGroin said.

Fed dollars, IME, can be and are typically restricted to very specific activities. Bottom line - none of the government's money is allocated to abortion RA's. PP has to prove it every year with precision PP is one of the best run and most important NFP's and it's in the government's best interest to support it's non-abortion related activities. I'm sure you would agree, Tman.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

she's not wrong - maybe rhetorically overwrought, but her point is rooted in accuracy.

2. The GOP is whipped up about Title X because 25% of the $300 million ($75 million) goes to Planned Parenthood - and even though federal law REPEATEDLY bans funding for abortions... conks are CONVINCED that somehow it magically does... (oddly, only 3% of PP's budget goes to abortion services in the first place)

I laugh every time I hear someone say this. Even though there is a prohibition against funding abortions with federal money, it is meaningless. You cannot distinguish one dollar from another. In the finance and accounting worlds it's called the fungible property of capital.

When Planned Parenthood receives a dollar from a charitable contribution by a private citizen, it goes on PP's balance sheet as a cash asset. When PP receives a dollar from the federal government, it goes on PP's balance sheet as a cash asset. You cannot distinguish between the two dollars. If 3% of PP's cash assets are allocated for abortions, then 3% of the dollar received from the federal government is allocated for abortion.

You don't have to be a CPA to understand this concept. It's just common sense.

Ever worked with grant money? there is strict accounting to ensure it isn't being misappropriated. (and say what you want, the amount of scrutiny on PP is probably the most intense of any organization going)

[D1B]

Fungible has many interpretations. It also means that non-specific grant funds/donations, which might otherwise be used to help fund admin/overhead/education, can now be wholly diverted to abortion-related activity as the federal grants completely cover the admin/overhead/education cost of operations.

Ya' think?

That's the whole point. One dollar is indistinguishable from another.

I hate to break it to D1B, but restricted donations and the effort that goes into reporting those allocations are bullshit.

The government doesn't donate. They essentially pay agencies to provide services that they deem necessary with GRANTS. The last federal grant I wrote took me 3 months and the grant binder is 4 inches thick, much of it being reporting requirements, services and scope explanations. We fuck up on a federal grant and we're in deep, and possibly serious legal shit, our 501C-3 status could be comprimised and at the very least a serious and embarrassing ding on our audit, which is public. Great pains are taken, especially in PP's unique case, to demarcate services, their budgets and reporting.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

and SH... if you're going to try and prove your point about abstinence only sex ed... find a source that isn't an "teen challenge"... an organization with an evangelical agenda - and no actual scientific evidence that abstinence only works. because it factually doesnt... you know the only thing that changes in abstinence only situations? the syphyllis rate... which skyrockets among teens armed only with "Jesus says ignore your throbbing biological urges"

[youngterrier]

and SH... if you're going to try and prove your point about abstinence only sex ed... find a source that isn't an "teen challenge"... an organization with an evangelical agenda - and no actual scientific evidence that abstinence only works. because it factually doesnt... you know the only thing that changes in abstinence only situations? the syphyllis rate... which skyrockets among teens armed only with "Jesus says ignore you throbbing biological urges"

Superhornet=bipartisanly attacked. GTFO

[CitadelGrad]

I laugh every time I hear someone say this. Even though there is a prohibition against funding abortions with federal money, it is meaningless. You cannot distinguish one dollar from another. In the finance and accounting worlds it's called the fungible property of capital.

When Planned Parenthood receives a dollar from a charitable contribution by a private citizen, it goes on PP's balance sheet as a cash asset. When PP receives a dollar from the federal government, it goes on PP's balance sheet as a cash asset. You cannot distinguish between the two dollars. If 3% of PP's cash assets are allocated for abortions, then 3% of the dollar received from the federal government is allocated for abortion.

You don't have to be a CPA to understand this concept. It's just common sense.

Ever worked with grant money? there is strict accounting to ensure it isn't being misappropriated. (and say what you want, the amount of scrutiny on PP is probably the most intense of any organization going)

It's unfortunate that you still don't get it, while it's a pretty easy concept to understand. BTW, misappropriation isn't what we're talking about here.

[D1B]

and SH... if you're going to try and prove your point about abstinence only sex ed... find a source that isn't an "teen challenge"... an organization with an evangelical agenda - and no actual scientific evidence that abstinence only works. because it factually doesnt... you know the only thing that changes in abstinence only situations? the syphyllis rate... which skyrockets among teens armed only with "Jesus says ignore your throbbing biological urges"

[SuperHornet]

and SH... if you're going to try and prove your point about abstinence only sex ed... find a source that isn't an "teen challenge"... an organization with an evangelical agenda - and no actual scientific evidence that abstinence only works. because it factually doesnt... you know the only thing that changes in abstinence only situations? the syphyllis rate... which skyrockets among teens armed only with "Jesus says ignore your throbbing biological urges"

Teen Challenge is a VERY successful anti-drug organizaiton, not a sex-ed outfit. That came up in a within-thread convo with that whippersnapper YT.

There ARE some successful abstinence-only outfits. But TC isn't one of them.

[houndawg]

PP has been documented to use abortion as population control. This is unsupportable.

I have no problem supporting it. There are already too many people in this country & on this planet. The last thing this country needs is more children who are not wanted, will be neglected or abused & will end up being a leach on the government programs that are already stretched thin or in danger of being cut altogether by the same people who insisted that these children be born, whether they were wanted or not.

The GOTP credo - Love the fetus, hate the child.

[houndawg]

Dude - step away from what ever propoganda you are reading/listening to. That is pile of bullshit a mile high.

More lies told by the forced-birthers.

For someone that seems to be so in tune with women and their achievement, you fall on the side of those that want to turn women into no more than breeding stock - uneducated, barefoot, stuck at home obeying their masters pumping out kids.

How do you get THAT drivel out of a guy who wants a female running the White House?

Women should be making equal pay for equal work (which they are in some sectors, but come woefully short in others). Women are VERY capable when in charge. But how does disallowing murder equate to turning them into breeding stock? That's a HUGE stretch.

You're just saying that because your wife can see your monitor.

[YoUDeeMan]

Doesn't matter, TTBF. The government is funding an organization that regularly counsels women to murder their unborn babies. The mere detail that the funding is supposedly segregated from an outside pool of funds that is used for such is not only irrelevant, it's also extremely naive. It's easy to launder that government money.

It's also hypocritical given that libs whine and cry about the government supporting faith-based anti-drug and abstinence programs that are MANY times more effective than non-faith-based programs.

Since you are being such a stickler for details about government funding and killing (thou shall not "kill" - it doesn't specify "murder"), the US government funds our armed forces...and our armed forces kill people. Hey, one of our airstikes killed a bunch of Libyan good guys last week.

Have a nice day.

[houndawg]

Doesn't matter, TTBF. The government is funding an organization that regularly counsels women to murder their unborn babies. The mere detail that the funding is supposedly segregated from an outside pool of funds that is used for such is not only irrelevant, it's also extremely naive. It's easy to launder that government money.

It's also hypocritical given that libs whine and cry about the government supporting faith-based anti-drug and abstinence programs that are MANY times more effective than non-faith-based programs.

Since you are being such a stickler for details about government funding and killing (thou shall not "kill" - it doesn't specify "murder"), the US government funds our armed forces...and our armed forces kill people. Hey, one of our airstikes killed a bunch of Libyan good guys last week.

Have a nice day.

Probably shouldn't be funding States that have a death penalty.

[CID1990]

Every one of you are a bunch of crybaby fvckoff idiots.

Abortion = killing a fetus

Discuss "fetus".

(Note that I didn't say killing a fetus is wrong... I like them in my omelettes, quite frankly. High in protein.)