Dumb@$$ NY Lib claims pro-lifers are "out to kill women"

[SuperHornet]

Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-NY) is accusing the recently elected GOP pro-lifers of being Nazis out to murder women.



http://www.lifenews.com/2011/04/08/demo ... ill-women/

Weird that someone sharing a name with the good Sgt. would accuse others of murder WITHOUT PROOF.

[D1B]

Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-NY) is accusing the recently elected GOP pro-lifers of being Nazis out to murder women.



http://www.lifenews.com/2011/04/08/demo ... ill-women/

Weird that someone sharing a name with the good Sgt. would accuse others of murder WITHOUT PROOF.

You prolifer fucks throw the murderer label out liberally. How does it feel?

[SuperHornet]

Pro-choice people don't necessarily commit murder, though the actual abortionist DOES. A "normal" pro-lifer similarly does NOT commit murder. The scum who falsely claim the name of pro-life in the act of murdering the abortionist isn't worthy of the name. The way to get rid of the evil of abortion is through the legislature and the courts. Using murder to snuff out murder is just stooping to the abortionist's level and should not happen.

[D1B]

Pro-choice people don't necessarily commit murder, though the actual abortionist DOES. A "normal" pro-lifer similarly does NOT commit murder. The scum who falsely claim the name of pro-life in the act of murdering the abortionist isn't worthy of the name. The way to get rid of the evil of abortion is through the legislature and the courts. Using murder to snuff out murder is just stooping to the abortionist's level and should not happen.

You do realize about 20% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage or spontaneous abortion, through no fault of the mother. Jesus is a murderer.

[JoltinJoe]

Pro-choice people don't necessarily commit murder, though the actual abortionist DOES. A "normal" pro-lifer similarly does NOT commit murder. The scum who falsely claim the name of pro-life in the act of murdering the abortionist isn't worthy of the name. The way to get rid of the evil of abortion is through the legislature and the courts. Using murder to snuff out murder is just stooping to the abortionist's level and should not happen.

You do realize about 20% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage or spontaneous abortion, through no fault of the mother. Jesus is a murderer.

Another stupid internet talking point ...

[TwinTownBisonFan]

she's not wrong - maybe rhetorically overwrought, but her point is rooted in accuracy.

1. Family planning services at Title X-funded clinics helped prevent 973,00 unintended pregnancies in 2008, which would have caused more that 400,000 unintended births and more than 400,000 abortions
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/win/cont ... s-2008.pdf

2. The GOP is whipped up about Title X because 25% of the $300 million ($75 million) goes to Planned Parenthood - and even though federal law REPEATEDLY bans funding for abortions... conks are CONVINCED that somehow it magically does... (oddly, only 3% of PP's budget goes to abortion services in the first place)

3. without the reproductive health care provided by clinics funded by Title X - the number of miscarriages and deaths of mothers in childbirth WILL increase. There is no hard data that I can find... but it's doubtless that this number will increase significantly without access to this care.

[SuperHornet]

PP has been documented to use abortion as population control. This is unsupportable.

In addition, Title X is nowhere near as important as Title IX. More funding should go to THAT. Especially if it's at PP's expense.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

PP has been documented to use abortion as population control. This is unsupportable.

In addition, Title X is nowhere near as important as Title IX. More funding should go to THAT. Especially if it's at PP's expense.

WE DON'T USE TAX DOLLARS TO FUND ABORTION. I really do not know how much more clear that can be. PP does more than that.

[SuperHornet]

Doesn't matter, TTBF. The government is funding an organization that regularly counsels women to murder their unborn babies. The mere detail that the funding is supposedly segregated from an outside pool of funds that is used for such is not only irrelevant, it's also extremely naive. It's easy to launder that government money.

It's also hypocritical given that libs whine and cry about the government supporting faith-based anti-drug and abstinence programs that are MANY times more effective than non-faith-based programs.

[Vidav]

PP has been documented to use abortion as population control. This is unsupportable.

In addition, Title X is nowhere near as important as Title IX. More funding should go to THAT. Especially if it's at PP's expense.

Title IX.

[youngterrier]

It's also hypocritical given that libs whine and cry about the government supporting faith-based anti-drug and abstinence programs that are MANY times more effective than non-faith-based programs.

Faith based anti-drug programs don't work. I live in the most evangelical part of the country (my town is particularly evangelical) and yet a vast majority or at least majority of the kids (and adults) around here light it up daily.

Abstinence is 100% effective at preventing pregnancy. The teaching is not. Same reason as above.

Cite some freaking statistics before you throw that junk around.

[BDKJMU]

You also had Nancy Pelosi going around talking about how Republicans wanted to starve old people. Yeah, Republicans want to starve old people and kill women. This comes from the same people who tried to blame heated political rhetoric on the AZ shootings and talked about how we needed to tone down the political rhetoric. Apparently the donks have ignored their own message.

[BlueHen86]

You do realize about 20% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage or spontaneous abortion, through no fault of the mother. Jesus is a murderer.

Another stupid internet talking point ...

And yet, you felt compelled to respond.

[Grizalltheway]

It's also hypocritical given that libs whine and cry about the government supporting faith-based anti-drug and abstinence programs that are MANY times more effective than non-faith-based programs.

Faith based anti-drug programs don't work. I live in the most evangelical part of the country (my town is particularly evangelical) and yet a vast majority or at least majority of the kids (and adults) around here light it up daily.

Abstinence is 100% effective at preventing pregnancy. The teaching is not. Same reason as above.

Cite some freaking statistics before you throw that junk around.

Great post, YT. Too funny watching SH get worked over by a teenager.

[SuperHornet]

It's also hypocritical given that libs whine and cry about the government supporting faith-based anti-drug and abstinence programs that are MANY times more effective than non-faith-based programs.

Faith based anti-drug programs don't work. I live in the most evangelical part of the country (my town is particularly evangelical) and yet a vast majority or at least majority of the kids (and adults) around here light it up daily.

Abstinence is 100% effective at preventing pregnancy. The teaching is not. Same reason as above.

Cite some freaking statistics before you throw that junk around.

What goes around, comes around, YT. Here's MY stats. Show me yours.

http://www.okteenchallenge.com/statistics.html

[youngterrier]

Faith based anti-drug programs don't work. I live in the most evangelical part of the country (my town is particularly evangelical) and yet a vast majority or at least majority of the kids (and adults) around here light it up daily.

Abstinence is 100% effective at preventing pregnancy. The teaching is not. Same reason as above.

Cite some freaking statistics before you throw that junk around.

What goes around, comes around, YT. Here's MY stats. Show me yours.

http://www.okteenchallenge.com/statistics.html

You're statistics are inconclusive because they only show percentages and not concrete numbers. They say a percentage of people in the program but fail to mention the number of kids in the program, therefore for all I know only 100 students could have been used and that's REAL accurate when making inferences about children across the nation It only compares it to ONE secular program. So really for all I know it could be the least effective secular program. If these are the same numbers that popped up about abstinence a year or so ago they aren't really accurate. Drinking isn't much of a problem for preteens and 13 years olds, as it is for later year teenagers. Try again

[SuperHornet]

YT: Teen Challenge has been around since the '50s or '60s, ministering to addicts from all stages of life. The 85% stat goes for all walks of life in all areas of the country, contingent (I believe) on actually completing the program. Like any program, some do choose to leave early.

[youngterrier]

YT: Teen Challenge has been around since the '50s or '60s, ministering to addicts from all stages of life. The 85% stat goes for all walks of life in all areas of the country, contingent (I believe) on actually completing the program. Like any program, some do choose to leave early.

and? 85%. big whoop. Until it is revealed how many people were actually in the program I'll stand by what I say. I defer to what I see in my everyday life about these philosophies of abstinence and drugs not working over any swiss-cheese statistic or study.

[SuperHornet]

Swiss cheese, my foot. Teen Challenge is one of the most studied programs not only nationwide, but worldwide. Check out this biennial report from '09. I'm also including some other stuff.

Judges send people here because it's proven to work. And it cost the patient a whole lot less. The difference is that the focus is on total life change, not "just" eliminating the drugs, because patients in other programs have a habit of recycling. TC grads often stick around as counselors, too, so they can show newbies the ropes.

http://teenchallengeusa.com/docs/2009-b ... report.pdf

This is a report from MN TC, which is a synopsis of a study of 512 patients who went through the program in their centers in '01-05 alone.

http://teenchallengeusa.com/docs/MNTC_outcome.pdf

This is a well-documented study from the Northwest that goes into great detail just how TC is better than AA and analagous programs. I'm sorry, there is no "raw data" here, but the footnotes can take you to where they got the numbers, much of which comes from US Government data collection, including the Census Bureau.

http://teenchallengeusa.com/docs/NW_study.pdf

This is a short history of the program. Note that as early as 1974, federal data proved that TC has an 86% success rate SEVEN years after graduation.

http://teenchallengeusa.com/program/history.php

Finally, you should read the book behind it all. Founder David Wilkerson wrote "The Cross and the Switchblade" as a memoir of his transition from a PA pastor to an inner-city NYC anti-drug counselor.

Wilkerson, David. The Cross and the Switchblade. New York, NY: Jove Books, 1962.

[youngterrier]

Swiss cheese, my foot. Teen Challenge is one of the most studied programs not only nationwide, but worldwide. Check out this biennial report from '09. I'm also including some other stuff.

Judges send people here because it's proven to work. And it cost the patient a whole lot less. The difference is that the focus is on total life change, not "just" eliminating the drugs, because patients in other programs have a habit of recycling. TC grads often stick around as counselors, too, so they can show newbies the ropes.

http://teenchallengeusa.com/docs/2009-b ... report.pdf

This is a report from MN TC, which is a synopsis of a study of 512 patients who went through the program in their centers in '01-05 alone.

http://teenchallengeusa.com/docs/MNTC_outcome.pdf

This is a well-documented study from the Northwest that goes into great detail just how TC is better than AA and analagous programs. I'm sorry, there is no "raw data" here, but the footnotes can take you to where they got the numbers, much of which comes from US Government data collection, including the Census Bureau.

http://teenchallengeusa.com/docs/NW_study.pdf

This is a short history of the program. Note that as early as 1974, federal data proved that TC has an 86% success rate SEVEN years after graduation.

http://teenchallengeusa.com/program/history.php

Finally, you should read the book behind it all. Founder David Wilkerson wrote "The Cross and the Switchblade" as a memoir of his transition from a PA pastor to an inner-city NYC anti-drug counselor.

Wilkerson, David. The Cross and the Switchblade. New York, NY: Jove Books, 1962.

swiss cheese. 512 members in 5 years=very little in the grand scheme of things, even in Minnesota. It's a known fact that people are less likely to start habits like smoking and drug use once they get out of high school or college, so the 86% means little. Issues like this can't be simply measured with data and statistics. I'm not going to blindly listen to what a preacher tells me because it makes me feel good inside.

It's all BS SuperHor, you can't blindly look at statistics and not think of common sense things that the numbers don't show you. Anyone can get 10 out of 10 people away from drugs, but 100, and 1,000, 10,000, and 1,000,000. now that takes skill

[SuperHornet]

No, YT. You're taking that out of context, as libs so LOVE to do. Remember that this is a nationwide, even worldwide organization. Every one of them has separate stats. The fact that I don't have access to all of them doesn't negate the good that these people do. All your little act (and that's all it is) does is (in YOUR mind) leave YOU off the hook in terms of checking it out for yourself. Go on down to the one in your neighborhood and find out what Teen Challenge is all about.

That's it. I'm done playing fetch for a snot-nosed teenager.

[Grizalltheway]

No, YT. You're taking that out of context, as libs so LOVE to do. Remember that this is a nationwide, even worldwide organization. Every one of them has separate stats. The fact that I don't have access to all of them doesn't negate the good that these people do. All your little act (and that's all it is) does is (in YOUR mind) leave YOU off the hook in terms of checking it out for yourself. Go on down to the one in your neighborhood and find out what Teen Challenge is all about.

That's it. I'm done being used as a speed bag by a teenager who's sharper than me.

Good to see you throw in the towel before it gets too ugly.

[youngterrier]

No, YT. You're taking that out of context, as libs so LOVE to do. Remember that this is a nationwide, even worldwide organization. Every one of them has separate stats. The fact that I don't have access to all of them doesn't negate the good that these people do. All your little act (and that's all it is) does is (in YOUR mind) leave YOU off the hook in terms of checking it out for yourself. Go on down to the one in your neighborhood and find out what Teen Challenge is all about.

That's it. I'm done playing fetch for a snot-nosed teenager.

You're calling me a lib? wow, reading comprehension epic failure. Here's a real world tip: most statistics such as these are not exactly as they seem mainly because their primary purpose it to be used to help sway the masses to their political agenda. You're citing BS statistics, whereas I'm telling you as a high school student in a school district that doesn't teach its students about condoms, where there are rampant pregnancies (the homecoming queen for one) that these programs don't work. I'm speaking from personal experience. Abstinence programs do not work. Keeping kids away from Drugs in the name of the Lord is ineffective. I know of FCA youth leaders (students mind you) and die-hard Christians in this condoms-be-damned town who get down and dirty with the opposite sex and they're not married , they also are quite open to drugs and alcohol. So no, you're acting more liberal than I, basing your position off of broad statistics, thinking that what works for 3 people will work for 1000 people and not basing your position on your own personal experience. SMH

[griz37]

PP has been documented to use abortion as population control. This is unsupportable.

I have no problem supporting it. There are already too many people in this country & on this planet. The last thing this country needs is more children who are not wanted, will be neglected or abused & will end up being a leach on the government programs that are already stretched thin or in danger of being cut altogether by the same people who insisted that these children be born, whether they were wanted or not.

[D1B]

You do realize about 20% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage or spontaneous abortion, through no fault of the mother. Jesus is a murderer.

Another stupid internet talking point ...

Your source of objective truth is either an idiot via design flaw or a murderer. According to the bible, he's both.

Are you denying that about 20% of pregnancies end in miscarriage?