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[JoltinJoe]

But the difference is I've never claimed that all secular humanists are responsible for the actions of Stalin ... the way the Catholic Church is charged with collective guilt for the misdeed of any baptized Catholic throughout history.

The guy next door to you may be a secular humanist and he's totally cool. But when secular humanism is adopted as a "position of the state," it is inherently dangerous.

Same goes for theocracies.

True, but the governments of the middle ages were not theocracies.

[youngterrier]

here's a hint. D1B bated you like a champ. Any position of the state concerning religion or moral code besides that of secularism (as in America) is inherently dangerous

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Did you mean "baited" me?

Because I agree that D1B bates his position every time he opens his mouth.


PS -- America is not a secular state. It is founded on precepts of natural law -- the recognition of a Creator. As a natural law state, it is fundamentally at odds with secular humanism.

PPS -- Do you have Christmas off?

The only position our government has on God is that there is a creator and that the citizens of this country have freedom of religion. that's it. Holidays, such as Christmas were added later on (and are not limited to religious holidays). I never said anything about humanism. The government is secular by definition, seeing as we don't make laws based on or pertaining to religion and we pretty much are compatible with every definition of secular as pertaining to religion.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/secular" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[JoltinJoe]

Did you mean "baited" me?

Because I agree that D1B bates his position every time he opens his mouth.


PS -- America is not a secular state. It is founded on precepts of natural law -- the recognition of a Creator. As a natural law state, it is fundamentally at odds with secular humanism.

PPS -- Do you have Christmas off?

The only position our government has on God is that there is a creator and that the citizens of this country have freedom of religion. that's it. Holidays, such as Christmas were added later on (and are not limited to religious holidays). I never said anything about humanism. The government is secular by definition, seeing as we don't make laws based on or pertaining to religion and we pretty much are compatible with every definition of secular as pertaining to religion.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/secular" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We are secular in the sense we have no official state religion; our government is not premised on secular humanism. We are a natural law government, and thank the Creator for that.

[Baldy]

With thanks to John Adams, that is why we are a nation of LAWS and not of men in the US.

Similarly, it is also why Hitler's henchmen were tried in a court of LAW in Nuremberg.

Okay. Did God, or one person on their own, write these laws?

No, and neither did the collective.

[youngterrier]

The only position our government has on God is that there is a creator and that the citizens of this country have freedom of religion. that's it. Holidays, such as Christmas were added later on (and are not limited to religious holidays). I never said anything about humanism. The government is secular by definition, seeing as we don't make laws based on or pertaining to religion and we pretty much are compatible with every definition of secular as pertaining to religion.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/secular" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We are secular in the sense we have no official state religion; our government is not premised on secular humanism. We are a natural law government, and thank the Creator for that.

once again, I never said we were secular humanist, rather we are secular. big difference.

[D1B]

You're entitled to your opinion. But you're still wronge.

The track record of the alternative, religion, is atrocious - 2000 years of war and unbridled cruelty towards man. The more theocratic the era, the worst it was. The **** dark ages was dominated by the church and represents the lowest point in civilization.

John, open your eyes, it wasn't until reason came to the forefront and atheists, deists and scientists and others challenged the church that things got better. History 101 - It wasn't until a bunch of deists and freethinkers created the bill of rights, declaration and the constitution, that things got better. These documents have done more for humanity than the **** bible and they were written with the intent to keep religion out of the affairs of state.

John, have you ever asked yourself why there isn't a bill of rights or a detailed universal rights of man or universal rights of children and women or anything even remotely close in the bible? Can you imagine what the world would look like if it had one? Why did it take 1700 some odd years for this to happen? You know why? Because no one was **** thinking. They were beaten down by the church and its rigid dogma and no one questioned their authority. This is what theistic based ethics and morality will get you - centuries of war and cruelty.

And today...the most violent place on earth right now (middle east) is also the most religious. The catholics have **** enough boys to fill a nation in the last century. It will never end with people's heads in the clouds thinking "**** it, I've got my special friend in Jesus, it'll be OK"

Think what you want but fact is, the most peaceful, happy and prosperous nations on the planet are ones that veer secular. Next.....

History Grade: F

Dispute it fuckhead. You got nothing, except your face smashed on this thread. You're the ultimate catholic whackjob.

[D1B]

We are secular in the sense we have no official state religion; our government is not premised on secular humanism. We are a natural law government, and thank the Creator for that.

once again, I never said we were secular humanist, rather we are secular. big difference.

YT, it don't matter what you say. Baldy Joe will make up arguments for you.

[D1B]

They think they come off as smart; and I think that's the attractiion of it. They can say that they proceed according to reason and scienfitic inquiry as they stick their noses into the air reassured with respect to how intelligent and broad minded they are. But they apparently can't see the glaring problem with their approach. Or if they do they won't admit it.

Secular humanism sounds great -- but while D1tchens and other secular humanists can't see the glaring error in their approach, the brutal totalitarians of the 20th century certainly did. And that is once you remove the concept of objective truth and discarded God, there is nothing which compels adherence to a "humanist" moral system. So you can replace it with anything.

This was precisely Dostoevsky's point in The Demons. The first-generation atheist humanists taught their outlook to a second generation, which adopted the atheism but not the humanism, recognizing that there was no compulsion to act morally. It is why Dostoevsky said he feared 100,000,000 million deaths in the coming century. Once you say God is dead, there is no objective reason to be moral.

In historical terms, it is precisely what happened when Lenin passed away, Stalin gained power, and had Trotsky axed in the back.

I bet dostoevesky loved the czars! They were gentle christians that treated the russian (and georgian ) people well!

2000 years ofchristianity - 1800 of em filled with war and cruelty towards fellow man.

This is what theistic morality gets you.

The most violent place on earth is the most religious - the middle east

The most violent people on earth are muslims and christian fundamentalists.

Talk all you want you arrogant pedophile defending blowhard, but its just hot smelly air.

[kalm]

The only position our government has on God is that there is a creator and that the citizens of this country have freedom of religion. that's it. Holidays, such as Christmas were added later on (and are not limited to religious holidays). I never said anything about humanism. The government is secular by definition, seeing as we don't make laws based on or pertaining to religion and we pretty much are compatible with every definition of secular as pertaining to religion.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/secular" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We are secular in the sense we have no official state religion; our government is not premised on secular humanism. We are a natural law government, and thank the Creator for that.

How very humanistic of us.

Can't wait to celebrate the next yule.

[JoltinJoe]

History Grade: F

Dispute it ****. You got nothing, except your face smashed on this thread. You're the ultimate catholic whackjob.

You are delusional. Your lack of knowledge or reading in this area is OBVIOUS. And yet you keep posting. Why? Do you think you are "smashing" people's faces by your inability to control your emotions and by calling people names?

[JoltinJoe]

We are secular in the sense we have no official state religion; our government is not premised on secular humanism. We are a natural law government, and thank the Creator for that.

once again, I never said we were secular humanist, rather we are secular. big difference.

YOU were the one using terms interchangeably, not me. We were talking about secular humanism in this thread when you observed we were a "secular" nation.

And we aren't even truly a secular nation. Merry Christmas.

[D1B]

Dispute it ****. You got nothing, except your face smashed on this thread. You're the ultimate catholic whackjob.

You are delusional. Your lack of knowledge or reading in this area is OBVIOUS. And yet you keep posting. Why? Do you think you are "smashing" people's faces by your inability to control your emotions and by calling people names?

No one is smarter than the almighty Joltin Joe! You're so full of shit it's hilarious. You've embarrassed yourself once again.

You're the dodger, look at this thread and how many questions you've dodged or mistakes you've made. You got no idea what secular humanism is. You even erroneously fabricated an assumption regarding Hitchens, wrong book , just so you could use the lie to make up one of your stupid D1insert stupid shit here names. to attract another like minded idiot like Grizo or AZ to chime in with a . That's the type of shit you hang your hat on, all the while avoiding the issues we pin you against the wall with - daily. In your mind Joe, you're doing fine, but trust me, you come across as delusional and pathetic - a catholic cultist whackjob.

You cant argue when you don't have the truth on your side.

[JoltinJoe]

You are delusional. Your lack of knowledge or reading in this area is OBVIOUS. And yet you keep posting. Why? Do you think you are "smashing" people's faces by your inability to control your emotions and by calling people names?

No one is smarter than the almighty Joltin Joe! You're so full of **** it's hilarious. You've embarrassed yourself once again.

You're the dodger, look at this thread and how many questions you've dodged or mistakes you've made. You got no idea what secular humanism is. You even erroneously fabricated an assumption regarding Hitchens, wrong book , just so you could use the lie to make up one of your stupid D1insert stupid **** here names. to attract another like minded idiot like Grizo or AZ to chime in with a . That's the type of **** you hang your hat on, all the while avoiding the issues we pin you against the wall with - daily. In your mind Joe, you're doing fine, but trust me, you come across as delusional and pathetic - a catholic cultist whackjob.

You cant argue when you don't have the truth on your side.

Good night, Jeff, go peddle your stupidity somewhere else. General Studies Major.

[YoUDeeMan]

No one is smarter than the almighty Joltin Joe! You're so full of **** it's hilarious. You've embarrassed yourself once again.

You're the dodger, look at this thread and how many questions you've dodged or mistakes you've made. You got no idea what secular humanism is. You even erroneously fabricated an assumption regarding Hitchens, wrong book , just so you could use the lie to make up one of your stupid D1insert stupid **** here names. to attract another like minded idiot like Grizo or AZ to chime in with a . That's the type of **** you hang your hat on, all the while avoiding the issues we pin you against the wall with - daily. In your mind Joe, you're doing fine, but trust me, you come across as delusional and pathetic - a catholic cultist whackjob.

You cant argue when you don't have the truth on your side.

Good night, Jeff, go peddle your stupidity somewhere else. General Studies Major.

Well, one thing's for sure...Joe likes to study theology....but, like many of his Catholic companions, he doesn't really give a shvt about what Jesus taught.

Say some Hail Mary's Joe, God will forgive you for showing your disdain for others. After all, you were doing it in the service of the truth.
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[D1B]

No one is smarter than the almighty Joltin Joe! You're so full of **** it's hilarious. You've embarrassed yourself once again.

You're the dodger, look at this thread and how many questions you've dodged or mistakes you've made. You got no idea what secular humanism is. You even erroneously fabricated an assumption regarding Hitchens, wrong book , just so you could use the lie to make up one of your stupid D1insert stupid **** here names. to attract another like minded idiot like Grizo or AZ to chime in with a . That's the type of **** you hang your hat on, all the while avoiding the issues we pin you against the wall with - daily. In your mind Joe, you're doing fine, but trust me, you come across as delusional and pathetic - a catholic cultist whackjob.

You cant argue when you don't have the truth on your side.

Good night, Jeff, go peddle your stupidity somewhere else. General Studies Major.

Nope, I'm going to work and helping the poor. The poorest of the poor actually. You know it's Child Abuse and Sexual Assault Prevention Month and we're hosting an open house next week. I doubt you would, being a catholic. Lots of work to do with volunteers coming in on the 16th to fix some things in our shelter including some heavy cement work.

Funny, the secular humanist has dedicated his vocational life to helping the poor, while you, the catholic, has become a scumbag bankruptcy attorney who profits off the financial misfortunes of others.

Have a great day at work Joe, bilking people.

[JoltinJoe]

Good night, Jeff, go peddle your stupidity somewhere else. General Studies Major.

Well, one thing's for sure...Joe likes to study theology....but, like many of his Catholic companions, he doesn't really give a shvt about what Jesus taught.

Say some Hail Mary's Joe, God will forgive you for showing your disdain for others. After all, you were doing it in the service of the truth.
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Ah, you hurt my feelings. Cluck U.

[YoUDeeMan]

Ah, you hurt my feelings. Cluck U.

Your feelings regarding my comment are irrelevant.

Apparently, you believe your actions towards others, despite Jesus' teachings, are as well. That’s a nice conundrum for you to resolve in your quest for the truth. Good luck with that.

[JoltinJoe]

Ah, you hurt my feelings. Cluck U.

Your feelings regarding my comment are irrelevant.

Apparently, you believe your actions towards others, despite Jesus' teachings, are as well. That’s a nice conundrum for you to resolve in your quest for the truth. Good luck with that.

So I'm a sinner. Sue me (and I'll f'in bury you )

[YoUDeeMan]

Your feelings regarding my comment are irrelevant.

Apparently, you believe your actions towards others, despite Jesus' teachings, are as well. That’s a nice conundrum for you to resolve in your quest for the truth. Good luck with that.

So I'm a sinner. Sue me (and I'll f'in bury you )

Nah, I've got a Jewish lawyer. They still have the ability to strip a Christian lawyer and to hang him out to dry.

[JoltinJoe]

So I'm a sinner. Sue me (and I'll f'in bury you )

Nah, I've got a Jewish lawyer. They still have the ability to strip a Christian lawyer and to hang him out to dry.

[YoUDeeMan]

Nah, I've got a Jewish lawyer. They still have the ability to strip a Christian lawyer and to hang him out to dry.

No hate...just understanding.

[Chizzang]

Gentlemen,
You've even outdone yourselves on this thread... a new high
Probably the best reading I've done in MONTHS


Thank you - pardon the interruption - as you were

[JoltinJoe]

Good night, Jeff, go peddle your stupidity somewhere else. General Studies Major.

Nope, I'm going to work and helping the poor. The poorest of the poor actually. You know it's Child Abuse and Sexual Assault Prevention Month and we're hosting an open house next week. I doubt you would, being a catholic. Lots of work to do with volunteers coming in on the 16th to fix some things in our shelter including some heavy cement work.

Funny, the secular humanist has dedicated his vocational life to helping the poor, while you, the catholic, has become a scumbag bankruptcy attorney who profits off the financial misfortunes of others.

Have a great day at work Joe, bilking people.

I spend most of day helping businesses re-structure, work out payments with creditors, and thus save the jobs of their employees. It's pretty rewarding knowing that I prevent people from losing their jobs and perhaps being counted among the poorest of the poor. Because we have such a decent reputation, we are often able to accomplish these work-outs without putting our clients into bankruptcy.

The scumbag lawyer line is just another one of your lies and misrepresentations.

[D1B]

Nope, I'm going to work and helping the poor. The poorest of the poor actually. You know it's Child Abuse and Sexual Assault Prevention Month and we're hosting an open house next week. I doubt you would, being a catholic. Lots of work to do with volunteers coming in on the 16th to fix some things in our shelter including some heavy cement work.

Funny, the secular humanist has dedicated his vocational life to helping the poor, while you, the catholic, has become a scumbag bankruptcy attorney who profits off the financial misfortunes of others.

Have a great day at work Joe, bilking people.

I spend most of day helping businesses re-structure, work out payments with creditors, and thus save the jobs of their employees. It's pretty rewarding knowing that I prevent people from losing their jobs and perhaps being counted among the poorest of the poor. Because we have such a decent reputation, we are often able to accomplish these work-outs without putting our clients into bankruptcy.

The scumbag lawyer line is just another one of your lies and misrepresentations.

Good for you. You charge people large sums of money and ultimately, in your line of legal work, you profit from the financial misfortune of others.

Just like you do with the horrors and absurdity of your church Joe, you are a master of putting lipstick on a pig/lying/deceiving, hence the scumbag lawyer line.

I don't have to lie. I don't believe in fairy tales, catholic dogma and myths.

[Cap'n Cat]

Joe = owned by the entire board.