April is Confederate History Month

[OL FU]

Not only are we celebrating the 150th anniversary of the War of Northern
Aggression, this year citdog will be 175 years old

[citdog]

Requiem for a dream


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[Wedgebuster]

[Wedgebuster]

[citdog]

very good site showing the movements of the armies.


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[citdog]

they sure did.


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[hungarygator]

You could make the exact same picture with the guy sporting the stars and stripes.....or indeed any flag of any nation anywhere. Being a Southerner and part Cherokee, several of my ancestors suffered and died due to acts committed under the stars and stripes.

[citdog]

Don't be hatin


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[CitadelGrad]

"Every Man, Woman and Child is ordered to be on hand prepared to Sing and Rejoice."

That sounds a lot like one of the mandatory spontaneous pro-government demonstrations that you see in Iran or any other nation with a despotic and authoritarian government.

[Wedgebuster]

"Every Man, Woman and Child is ordered to be on hand prepared to Sing and Rejoice."

That sounds a lot like one of the mandatory spontaneous pro-government demonstrations that you see in Iran or any other nation with a despotic and authoritarian government.

Not nearly as democratic as voluntarily showing up to witness a nigger hanging for sure.

[Grizalltheway]

"Every Man, Woman and Child is ordered to be on hand prepared to Sing and Rejoice."

That sounds a lot like one of the mandatory spontaneous pro-government demonstrations that you see in Iran or any other nation with a despotic and authoritarian government.

Not nearly as democratic as voluntarily showing up to witness a nigger hanging for sure.

Well, that's what they get for trying to escape the domestic utopias their owners provided them.

[citdog]

"Every Man, Woman and Child is ordered to be on hand prepared to Sing and Rejoice."

That sounds a lot like one of the mandatory spontaneous pro-government demonstrations that you see in Iran or any other nation with a despotic and authoritarian government.

Not nearly as democratic as voluntarily showing up to witness a nigger hanging for sure.

THAT is out of bounds and should be stricken from this thread.

[citdog]

Montgomery, ALABAMA!!!!! 150th of President Davis





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[citdog]

very informative talk by the Pres of the Museum of the Confederacy on the Flags.


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[eagleskins]

Robert E Lee's soft ass was 2 holed like the gimp in Pulp Fiction.

[CitadelGrad]

"Every Man, Woman and Child is ordered to be on hand prepared to Sing and Rejoice."

That sounds a lot like one of the mandatory spontaneous pro-government demonstrations that you see in Iran or any other nation with a despotic and authoritarian government.

Not nearly as democratic as voluntarily showing up to witness a nigger hanging for sure.

He should have kept his filthy hands off the white woman.

[Appaholic]

Whatever. You're flying so high you can't see the point I was trying to make.... that of the uselessness of soundbites, quotations and the reminiscenses of Lost Cause apologists. Was it about money? No doubt.... and a new world aristocracy, power, slavery, etc. It was all tied into one inglorious heap.

I don't know where you're getting the "lost cause apologist" part. I'm just sick of the PC revisionists who attempt to deny the obvious. Yes, slavery was a major issue, but it was far from the only one. Money and philosophical differences about the nature of the relationship between the federal govt and the states going all the way back to very beginning were also key and yes, all inextricably bound together.

Yes, bound over the fact that the union didn't want to allow the expansion of slavery....that was the trigger event, period. All other reasons were ancillary events to justify the course of action, but in the end, the union not allowing the expansion of slavery was the trigger event. Southerner's can call it State's Rights all they want to, but I noticed we haven't gone to war over Roe v. Wade, removal of Federal Highway dollars for failing to lower BAC, etc....

[93henfan]

Not nearly as democratic as voluntarily showing up to witness a nigger hanging for sure.

He should have kept his filthy hands off the white woman.

[hungarygator]

Yes, bound over the fact that the union didn't want to allow the expansion of slavery....that was the trigger event, period. All other reasons were ancillary events to justify the course of action, but in the end, the union not allowing the expansion of slavery was the trigger event. Southerner's can call it State's Rights all they want to, but I noticed we haven't gone to war over Roe v. Wade, removal of Federal Highway dollars for failing to lower BAC, etc....

We also don't have a tax system that allows one region to load the vast majority of the burden on another while appropriating the lion's share of federal funding for itself. We also don't have an economy so regionally specialized that it is actually beneficial for one region to drive up tariffs paid for primarily by another reason for the benefit of its own industries.

Expansion was important because the Southern states were a minority and needed more votes in Congress to protect their economic interest. They were quite content to give up any claim to the territory and any chance for spreading slavery.....which is exactly what they did by seceding....because they no longer needed the votes in Congress to keep from getting screwed over even worse than they already had been getting screwed.

[GannonFan]

Not nearly as democratic as voluntarily showing up to witness a nigger hanging for sure.

THAT is out of bounds and should be stricken from this thread.

Absolutely - citdog is committed to whitewashing and revising history and by no means should Southern crimes against humanity as it existed in the institution of slavery be allowed to persist. We must forget the unpleasant parts of the past if we're to blindly celebrate the good parts.

[GannonFan]

Yes, bound over the fact that the union didn't want to allow the expansion of slavery....that was the trigger event, period. All other reasons were ancillary events to justify the course of action, but in the end, the union not allowing the expansion of slavery was the trigger event. Southerner's can call it State's Rights all they want to, but I noticed we haven't gone to war over Roe v. Wade, removal of Federal Highway dollars for failing to lower BAC, etc....

We also don't have a tax system that allows one region to load the vast majority of the burden on another while appropriating the lion's share of federal funding for itself. We also don't have an economy so regionally specialized that it is actually beneficial for one region to drive up tariffs paid for primarily by another reason for the benefit of its own industries.

Expansion was important because the Southern states were a minority and needed more votes in Congress to protect their economic interest. They were quite content to give up any claim to the territory and any chance for spreading slavery.....which is exactly what they did by seceding....because they no longer needed the votes in Congress to keep from getting screwed over even worse than they already had been getting screwed.

Wah wah wah. You set up a very rigid and non-diverse economy, as the South did, and you're going to end up being at the short end of the stick as time moves on. The South bet bigtime on cotton and the slaves that had to come with it, and it was their undoing. Sticking your head in the sand like an ostrich and hoping that time stands still is never really a good economic principle to build prosperity on. The South shut themselves off to population growth (immigrants almost entirely settled in the North), and they invested the vast majority of their capital into a declining business that was cotton. Building a chair and having it stand on only one leg isn't a very good design, and that's what the South was.

[citdog]

Brother against Brother at Secessionville.


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[LeadBolt]

An interesting article from the NY Times on how slavery ended and that slavery was not why the North went to war...

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[ASUG8]

We also don't have a tax system that allows one region to load the vast majority of the burden on another while appropriating the lion's share of federal funding for itself. We also don't have an economy so regionally specialized that it is actually beneficial for one region to drive up tariffs paid for primarily by another reason for the benefit of its own industries.

Expansion was important because the Southern states were a minority and needed more votes in Congress to protect their economic interest. They were quite content to give up any claim to the territory and any chance for spreading slavery.....which is exactly what they did by seceding....because they no longer needed the votes in Congress to keep from getting screwed over even worse than they already had been getting screwed.

Wah wah wah. You set up a very rigid and non-diverse economy, as the South did, and you're going to end up being at the short end of the stick as time moves on. The South bet bigtime on cotton and the slaves that had to come with it, and it was their undoing. Sticking your head in the sand like an ostrich and hoping that time stands still is never really a good economic principle to build prosperity on. The South shut themselves off to population growth (immigrants almost entirely settled in the North), and they invested the vast majority of their capital into a declining business that was cotton. Building a chair and having it stand on only one leg isn't a very good design, and that's what the South was.

I'm sure a lot of Rust Belt residents would agree with your assessment of failure to economically diversify. Maybe I can ask some of the transplants sitting within a few yards of me.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

Yes, bound over the fact that the union didn't want to allow the expansion of slavery....that was the trigger event, period. All other reasons were ancillary events to justify the course of action, but in the end, the union not allowing the expansion of slavery was the trigger event. Southerner's can call it State's Rights all they want to, but I noticed we haven't gone to war over Roe v. Wade, removal of Federal Highway dollars for failing to lower BAC, etc....

We also don't have a tax system that allows one region to load the vast majority of the burden on another while appropriating the lion's share of federal funding for itself. We also don't have an economy so regionally specialized that it is actually beneficial for one region to drive up tariffs paid for primarily by another reason for the benefit of its own industries.

Expansion was important because the Southern states were a minority and needed more votes in Congress to protect their economic interest. They were quite content to give up any claim to the territory and any chance for spreading slavery.....which is exactly what they did by seceding....because they no longer needed the votes in Congress to keep from getting screwed over even worse than they already had been getting screwed.

what's funny is - yes we do. money today flows out of blue states in to red. ag subsidies are the primary culprit - but even today there are "giver" states and "taker" states... these days, the "giver" states are the northeast, pacific coast and Minn/Wisc/Ill

Federal spending per dollar paid in federal tax

1) New Mexico, $2.03
2) Mississippi, $2.02
3) Alaska, $ 1.84
4) Lousiana, $1.78
5) West Virginia, $1.76
6) North Dakota, $1.68
7) Alabama, $1.66
8) South Dakota, %1.53
9) Kentucky, $1.51
10) Virginia, $1.51

40) Massachusetts, $0.82
41) Colorado, $0.81
42) New York, $0.79
43) California, $0.78
44) Delaware, $0.77
45) Illinois, $0.75
46) Minnesota, $0.72
47) New Hampshire, $0.71
48) Connecticut, $0.69
49) Nevada, $0.65
50) New Jersey, $0.61

http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html