The Summit Owns the MVFC

[TwinTownBisonFan]

you must have one hell of a pharmacist...

[JBB]

Thats ignorant, and I mean that in the Utah way.

You are the proverbial naysayer. Clearly evidence and facts support my position. Insults and discourtesy do little to bolster your weak arguments.

[houndawg]

Sadly, your case is flimsy and without foundation due to the remote and uninhabited region in which you live. Maybe you can get prairie dogs counted in the next census?

[collegesportsinfo]

I am baffled by the ignorance of this thread. Why on earth is it even still going on this off-topic route? All the peacocking any NDSU fans want to do is moot, so why not drop it? I mean, there is a rule in place, a rule established by FCS SCHOOLS, that REQUIRES an FCS school to get an FBS INVITE before upgrading. If NDSU even decided they wanted to upgrade, they only have now and likely FORVER, (2) options: the WAC or the MAC. Does anyone think that NDSU would EVER be anything more than a peripheral program when their competition will be the likes of SJSU, Idaho and Texas St in one conference, or Akron, Ball St., and Central Michigan in the MAC?

Geography is the ultimate obstacle for NDSU. It has ZERO do do with these useless population stats and dreams of magical transformations in which all of a sudden, every one in North Dakota thinks NDSU games are weekly Superbowls. None of that will change the geography of WHERE NDSU is. And THAT is the problem.

[SloStang]

Hey the Big 12 has NDSU on speed dial. They are just wating for them to build that 30,000 seat football stadium and 10,000 seat basketball arena. As soon as they do the call will be placed.

[houndawg]

I am baffled by the ignorance of this thread. Why on earth is it even still going on this off-topic route? All the peacocking any NDSU fans want to do is moot, so why not drop it? I mean, there is a rule in place, a rule established by FCS SCHOOLS, that REQUIRES an FCS school to get an FBS INVITE before upgrading. If NDSU even decided they wanted to upgrade, they only have now and likely FORVER, (2) options: the WAC or the MAC. Does anyone think that NDSU would EVER be anything more than a peripheral program when their competition will be the likes of SJSU, Idaho and Texas St in one conference, or Akron, Ball St., and Central Michigan in the MAC?

Geography is the ultimate obstacle for NDSU. It has ZERO do do with these useless population stats and dreams of magical transformations in which all of a sudden, every one in North Dakota thinks NDSU games are weekly Superbowls. None of that will change the geography of WHERE NDSU is. And THAT is the problem.

Just to see how long JB can hurl himself at the cage and fling his feces at the crowd.

[JBB]

The point is to simply explore the future. Where could NDSU end up? An inventory of its assets, contemplating possibilites for conference affiliation, examining where we are now and what the future could bring is and exercise of imagination and projection. The origin of the conversation is what kind of leverage do the Mighty Dakota Land Grants have over the MVFC and the Summit.

People can be as threatened or as ignorant as they choose and some of you are choosing it over and over again. For me I have made a good case for NDSU, its future and where it stands now. Others are trash talking fools and who cares. They are responsible for themselves. What they say about me is the real moot point. What is the point of slo stangs ignorant post. Quinn checks in with his rant. Some have added to the conversation others have added to their own inventory of baseless remarks.

Its not something that is going to happen tomorrow, but the idea of an FBS NDSU has foundation. I can tell by the rediculous remarks from some empty headed asshats. When the cheap seats naysay the kernal of truth is present. Ask Mr Fulton.

I'm always amazed on these boards how sensitive some are. Its like pulling the string on a talking dolll. Some of you are on leashes. I can almost predict what you will say. Slo stanks post is par for his course. The manipulation of those minds is entertaining. They dance like puppets.

So, pick your poison: ignore conversations you have no interest in, participate if you have a point or be a manipulated fool. Ill be happy to accommodate in all cases.

[SloStang]

So what are possible future FBS conferences for NDSU? Does the MAC or the WAC hold any attraction for NDSU? I do not see a BCS conference in NDSU's future unless it is 25 to 30 plus years down the road if ever. Is the MAC or the WAC a stepping stone to a bigger conference or a step backwards?

[JBB]

So what are possible future FBS conferences for NDSU? Does the MAC or the WAC hold any attraction for NDSU? I do not see a BCS conference in NDSU's future unless it is 25 to 30 plus years down the road if ever. Is the MAC or the WAC a stepping stone to a bigger conference or a step backwards?

Best chance now: WAC

Future: Big 12

Likelihood of either: remote

20-30 years is a bit out there. About 30 years ago NDSU was in D2 and averaging well under 10,000/game. We were playing in an old outdoor stadium with a capacity of 7,500 or so as set by the fire marshall in a big too-do. Fargo was about 40,000 and the region was not large enough to be classified as an MSA. North of Dacotah Field was the airport and endless prairie.

It was about that time NDSU missed an opportunity. We should have made the move with the Big Sky in the mid 70s. By staying behind we wasted those years. 1 thing was accomplished: The Fargo Dome was built. It has hockey potential, which could be key for footballs future.

The WCHA is about to lose the Big 10 teams to the recently announced Big 10 hockey league. That will make the WCHA a mostly regional hodge-podge of D2, D3 and D1 schools. An opportunity exits for NDSU to upgrade hockey from a club sport and join the WCHA.

If that were to happen, time frame 5 years, and the football program continues its amazing growth trend and the FM MSA keeps it growth trend line intact, useless attendance figures and foolish analysis of market potential tell us there is a lot of untapped potential there. The FFD could be functionally obsolete for footballs growing attendance and the push for a new stadium could be on with the hockey looking to the FFD for its home.

If there is a little shake-up in the Big 12, they have room now for another school, and Fargo can show the league a properly scaled stadium it could all fall into place. The impossible invite could be in the mail. Interest from the Big 12 would be the catalyst to get that stadium built. Who thought Boise State would be where they are today 5 or 10 yrs ago? (The Boise MSA is a tad over 198,000)

Of course it might not happen either, but what's the fun of that dream?

[TwinTownBisonFan]

IF the bison embrace hockey... (a big if) they'll play at the Scheels Center... a perfectly fine 6,000 seat facility that exists already.

Given that the D-I move was made specifically instead of hockey... that would mark a big change... THAT is something in the realm of the possible - given (as you said) the Big 10 hockey move.

[JBB]

They probably will play at the Prairie Center, at least until the Football stadium is built and they come on campus to play "teh hockies" in the FFD. You see both sports will work together to maximize the potential of this market, imho.

Big 10 hockey is a done deal. See BV.

Heres a look at the plans for the new BB arena. You have to follow the link:

http://photos.bisonillustrated.com/Biso ... 9576_gyY9v

[JBB]

Look:

NDSU is nearing a time when it may look to add sports, but Taylor said only if it makes sense for everyone involved. “Being efficient is important; it has to make sense to add a sport,” Taylor said. “When you slice the revenue pie even further, you have to make sure that the pie is big enough to fund everything.”
http://www.bisonillustrated.com/s.php?s=590" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Thundering Herd]

Look:

NDSU is nearing a time when it may look to add sports, but Taylor said only if it makes sense for everyone involved. “Being efficient is important; it has to make sense to add a sport,” Taylor said. “When you slice the revenue pie even further, you have to make sure that the pie is big enough to fund everything.”
http://www.bisonillustrated.com/s.php?s=590" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you also read further, it says "While fans may not see a Bison hockey, swimming and diving or men’s soccer team in the next few years, Bison fans can also say that they probably won’t see the nightmare scenario of having to eliminate an existing sport either."
The article was written after UNO cut their football and wrestling programs. There won't be any expansions any time soon.

[JBB]

I did read that. The comment about adding sports was the one to watch. The one you are referring to is the deception to quell rumor. Taking both at face value means he said nothing. You have to read between the lines.

[houndawg]

If he said nothing, why are you quoting him? Oh, wait.....never mind....

[collegesportsinfo]

The point is to simply explore the future. Where could NDSU end up? An inventory of its assets, contemplating possibilites for conference affiliation, examining where we are now and what the future could bring is and exercise of imagination and projection. The origin of the conversation is what kind of leverage do the Mighty Dakota Land Grants have over the MVFC and the Summit.

People can be as threatened or as ignorant as they choose and some of you are choosing it over and over again. For me I have made a good case for NDSU, its future and where it stands now. Others are trash talking fools and who cares. They are responsible for themselves. What they say about me is the real moot point. What is the point of slo stangs ignorant post. Quinn checks in with his rant. Some have added to the conversation others have added to their own inventory of baseless remarks.

Its not something that is going to happen tomorrow, but the idea of an FBS NDSU has foundation. I can tell by the rediculous remarks from some empty headed asshats. When the cheap seats naysay the kernal of truth is present. Ask Mr Fulton.

I'm always amazed on these boards how sensitive some are. Its like pulling the string on a talking dolll. Some of you are on leashes. I can almost predict what you will say. Slo stanks post is par for his course. The manipulation of those minds is entertaining. They dance like puppets.

So, pick your poison: ignore conversations you have no interest in, participate if you have a point or be a manipulated fool. Ill be happy to accommodate in all cases.

Conversations = good. Logical projections = good. "Imagination"? Really? Imagination = not appropriate for a forum that discusses fact. One can "imagine" all they want. But that isn't going to change the cold harsh reality that sadly foe NDSU fans, their school is in North Dakota. NDSU could build a 200,000 seat stadium, good for them. But it's not going to get filled with the likes of Ball St., Buffalo and Akron, nor San Jose St. or Texas St. No conference home for NDSU, no serious upgrade hopes. NDSU NEEDS other area schools to ALSO upgrade to have a chance at something "imaginative" to happen.

[Thumper 76]

NDSU is the major attraction in this market. The only attraction really. That is an advantage, a huge advantage when talking about our attendance. Its not a negative.

Of course the money thing is always a consideration. NDSU did its research when moving to D1. Many folks thought it was going to be a financial failure. It has been just the opposite and that includes the depression this once great country of ours finds itself in.

There is plenty of money in the Alumni base, corporate sponsors and overall fan base. We put 20 - 30,000 fans in the Metro Dome for the Gopher game a couple years ago. Imagine if the Gophers were headed to Fargo, or Iowa State or Kansas/Kansas State on a regular basis.

NDSU football is now the largest sporting event week in and week out in the history of the Dakotas. The move up to the FCS and the better quality of the game did that. The next move will pay for itself as well. The stadium will be built by the Dome Authority and corporate sponsors on NDSU land. The WCHA will be begging NDSU to start hockey (so will the Fabulous Fargo Dome). UND will take our place in the MVFC/Summit leagues. Its not that outlandish a vision.

1. we have 30,000 alumni in the Twin Cities... very few of whom take the trip to Fargo on a weekly basis... that's why the Minnesota games are so packed with our fans... it's a once every few years EVENT.

2. "the biggest event in the dakotas" is sort of like winning a "taller than mickey rooney" contest

3. there are STILL only 225,000 people in the region... and around 50% are Sioux fans

4. our alumni struggled to come up with the money for the D-I move (and in the first few years, it was looking like a disaster until we got the Mid-Con invite)

This, if the XDSU's can put themselves far enough ahead of the UXD's and win the whole of the state and win the key markets (which I think they will) THEN this converstation will be valid, but up until then the focus should be on winning the Souix Falls/Bismarks of each respective states but thats going to take a while. If each XDSU can turn themselves into the Iowa of their state and make the UXD's the Iowa State then they will be able to think of the big stadiums and trying to get onto App and Montanas level. That should be the goal first.

[Thumper 76]

The point is to simply explore the future. Where could NDSU end up? An inventory of its assets, contemplating possibilites for conference affiliation, examining where we are now and what the future could bring is and exercise of imagination and projection. The origin of the conversation is what kind of leverage do the Mighty Dakota Land Grants have over the MVFC and the Summit.

People can be as threatened or as ignorant as they choose and some of you are choosing it over and over again. For me I have made a good case for NDSU, its future and where it stands now. Others are trash talking fools and who cares. They are responsible for themselves. What they say about me is the real moot point. What is the point of slo stangs ignorant post. Quinn checks in with his rant. Some have added to the conversation others have added to their own inventory of baseless remarks.

Its not something that is going to happen tomorrow, but the idea of an FBS NDSU has foundation. I can tell by the rediculous remarks from some empty headed asshats. When the cheap seats naysay the kernal of truth is present. Ask Mr Fulton.

I'm always amazed on these boards how sensitive some are. Its like pulling the string on a talking dolll. Some of you are on leashes. I can almost predict what you will say. Slo stanks post is par for his course. The manipulation of those minds is entertaining. They dance like puppets.

So, pick your poison: ignore conversations you have no interest in, participate if you have a point or be a manipulated fool. Ill be happy to accommodate in all cases.

Not hard to sit there and go "see I knew he would say that" or "haha! I manipulated you" when getting your ass handed to you by people with logical arguments.

[lakesbison]

Fargo is 170,000 metro, Minnesota is close and NDSU continually beats them in football. NDSU would fill a 25,000 stadium vs any WAC or MAC team, hell yea.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Fargo is 170,000 metro, Minnesota is close and NDSU continually beats them in football. NDSU would fill a 25,000 stadium vs any WAC or MAC team, hell yea.

No they wouldn't.

it would be cool if you guys could get near that though because UM does that for our D2 opponents. In spite of all the metro area and the fan support you suggest you just don't have it. The proof is the numbers and the numbers ain't there.

Fantasy land #'s though you guys can compete with anybody.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

Fargo is 170,000 metro, Minnesota is close and NDSU continually beats them in football. NDSU would fill a 25,000 stadium vs any WAC or MAC team, hell yea.

No they wouldn't.

it would be cool if you guys could get near that though because UM does that for our D2 opponents. In spite of all the metro area and the fan support you suggest you just don't have it. The proof is the numbers and the numbers ain't there.

Fantasy land #'s though you guys can compete with anybody.

this.

[FargoBison]

We could fill a 25k seat outdoor stadium when the weather is nice prior to the start of hunting season. Honestly people don't even care who the team plays early in the season or if the team is supposed to be great. They are there to tailgate and then watch some football.

But once hunting season starts 10k+ empty seats would make the place seem pretty empty and then the weather gets crappy. Reason #1 why we play in a dome is because nobody wants to sit outside in our crappy November weather and watch football for four hours in gusty winds and freezing temps. I've heard our AD singing the dome's praises on crappy late season gamedays.

The new basketball arena is perfect, no team outside of a high major conference needs a huge basketball arena. 5-7k seats is perfect for NDSU's current and future needs.

As for FBS, no school near us is ready to move up and I doubt any conference(except maybe the WAC) would take NDSU alone. NDSU's admin clearly doesn't want to join a league and be a far flung outlier, our AD pretty much said we have no interest in moving up. NDSU's only chance for FBS is if the MVFC one day wants to give it a try and if that happens it won't be anytime soon.

[DJH]

Clearly evidence and facts support my position.

No, they don't.

[Grizalltheway]

We could fill a 25k seat outdoor stadium when the weather is nice prior to the start of hunting season. Honestly people don't even care who the team plays early in the season or if the team is supposed to be great. They are there to tailgate and then watch some football.

But once hunting season starts 10k+ empty seats would make the place seem pretty empty and then the weather gets crappy. Reason #1 why we play in a dome is because nobody wants to sit outside in our crappy November weather and watch football for four hours in gusty winds and freezing temps. I've heard our AD singing the dome's praises on crappy late season gamedays.

The new basketball arena is perfect, no team outside of a high major conference needs a huge basketball arena. 5-7k seats is perfect for NDSU's current and future needs.

As for FBS, no school near us is ready to move up and I doubt any conference(except maybe the WAC) would take NDSU alone. NDSU's admin clearly doesn't want to join a league and be a far flung outlier, our AD pretty much said we have no interest in moving up. NDSU's only chance for FBS is if the MVFC one day wants to give it a try and if that happens it won't be anytime soon.

Good thing we don't have hunters or shitty weather here.

[DJH]

Fargo is 170,000 metro, Minnesota is close and NDSU continually beats them in football. NDSU would fill a 25,000 stadium vs any WAC or MAC team, hell yea.