The Summit Owns the MVFC

JBB · Post by **JBB** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:39 pm

The Summit has a legitimate threat to start its own football league. Unfortunately to do that the MVFC would be decimated. With the apparent addition of UNO to the Summit the threat grows larger.

Inexplicably USD was admitted to the MVFC taking it off what had been the magic number of 9. I think the threat of Summit football was the leverage. The addition of USD to the Summit made the threat even more credible, enough so for the MVFC to invite USD.

With UNO apparently on the verge of a Summit invite the MVFC is once again being faced with the specter of Summit football. Is UNO going to the MVFC? Its a lock. The NCC rules the MVFC and the Summit.

Its a legacy!! The MVFC and the Summit are de-facto twin leagues, far more than the MVFC and MVC.

Thundering Herd · Post by **Thundering Herd** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:58 pm

JBB wrote:The Summit has a legitimate threat to start its own football league. Unfortunately to do that the MVFC would be decimated. With the apparent addition of UNO to the Summit the threat grows larger.

Inexplicably USD was admitted to the MVFC taking it off what had been the magic number of 9. I think the threat of Summit football was the leverage. The addition of USD to the Summit made the threat even more credible, enough so for the MVFC to invite USD.

With UNO apparently on the verge of a Summit invite the MVFC is once again being faced with the specter of Summit football. Is UNO going to the MVFC? Its a lock. The NCC rules the MVFC and the Summit.

Its a legacy!! The MVFC and the Summit are de-facto twin leagues, far more than the MVFC and MVC.

Post by **TwinTownBisonFan** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:59 pm

Thundering Herd wrote:
JBB wrote:The Summit has a legitimate threat to start its own football league. Unfortunately to do that the MVFC would be decimated. With the apparent addition of UNO to the Summit the threat grows larger.

Inexplicably USD was admitted to the MVFC taking it off what had been the magic number of 9. I think the threat of Summit football was the leverage. The addition of USD to the Summit made the threat even more credible, enough so for the MVFC to invite USD.

With UNO apparently on the verge of a Summit invite the MVFC is once again being faced with the specter of Summit football. Is UNO going to the MVFC? Its a lock. The NCC rules the MVFC and the Summit.

Its a legacy!! The MVFC and the Summit are de-facto twin leagues, far more than the MVFC and MVC.

yep... instant classic... smh...

Thundering Herd · Post by **Thundering Herd** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:02 pm

TwinTownBisonFan wrote: yep... instant classic... smh...

I'm not gonna lie it's kind of funny

JBB · Post by **JBB** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:06 pm

Welcome "good bison fans"!

After a year of talking about Summit Football on many forums the underlying dynamics of the politics is becoming clear: The Summit owns the MVFC and UNO is a lock.

The two leagues are joined at the hip as long as the MVFC wants to be the MVFC and not Summit league football.

Post by **TwinTownBisonFan** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:07 pm

Thundering Herd wrote:
TwinTownBisonFan wrote: yep... instant classic... smh...
I'm not gonna lie it's kind of funny

in the same way that D1B's "cry for attention" threads are in the lounge...

Thundering Herd · Post by **Thundering Herd** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:10 pm

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
Thundering Herd wrote: I'm not gonna lie it's kind of funny
in the same way that D1B's "cry for attention" threads are in the lounge...

Yea it definitely gives people something to talk about.

Fresno St. Alum · Post by **Fresno St. Alum** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:54 am

someone give him the MWC whacking the WAC plan. MWC=MVC, WAC=Summit. Summit starts fb, MVC invites NDSU and SDSU as full member. Summit football dies in 1 day.

JBB · Post by **JBB** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:08 am

There are similarities to be sure. Obviously the Summit has leverage and it appears the Mighty Dakota Land Grants are in the drivers seat.

Thundering Herd · Post by **Thundering Herd** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:05 am

JBB wrote:There are similarities to be sure. Obviously the Summit has leverage and it appears the Mighty Dakota Land Grants are in the drivers seat.

Thundering Herd · Post by **Thundering Herd** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:13 am

Fresno St. Alum wrote:someone give him the MWC whacking the WAC plan. MWC=MVC, WAC=Summit. Summit starts fb, MVC invites NDSU and SDSU as full member. Summit football dies in 1 day.

I would really like to see that happen. It would be a step up in competition, plus it would put 7 teams in the MVC that are full members. NDSU shouldn't move til they get rid of the embarrassment that is the BSA.

JBB · Post by **JBB** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:22 am

Oh my God!

Thundering Herd · Post by **Thundering Herd** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:26 am

JBB wrote:Oh my God!

Do you really think that the Summit would start football? Even with the "possible" additions of UNO & UND

JBB · Post by **JBB** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:29 am

I dont think the MVC is going to budge. Its much easier for the MVFC to acquiesce to the pressure because expansion of that conference makes sense. UNO and USD both are prepared to enter the realm of the FCS but are not at all ready to compete in the MVC either from a facilities standpoint or program readiness. NDSU and SDSU are also marginal.

The Summit is the spot for these teams and its the MVFC that is having to expand, not the MVC. Summit football is a pretty big bargaining chip and its likely the MVC gives a hoot.

Post by **clenz** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:56 am

JBB wrote:I dont think the MVC is going to budge. Its much easier for the MVFC to acquiesce to the pressure because expansion of that conference makes sense. UNO and USD both are prepared to enter the realm of the FCS but are not at all ready to compete in the MVC either from a facilities standpoint or program readiness. NDSU and SDSU are also marginal.

The Summit is the spot for these teams and its the MVFC that is having to expand, not the MVC. Summit football is a pretty big bargaining chip and its likely the MVC gives a hoot.

I don't think Doug Elgin and Patty V that are worried right now about Summit League football.

It would be very stupid of the Summit schools to step away from the MVFC on many levels.

I did like the comment about none of the summit schools being on par with the MVC facilities though. It's probably pretty damn accurate. I've never been to BSA, but I've been to the Jack's home court (name escaping me right now) and it would by the worst basketball facility in the MVC by about 50 miles.

Thundering Herd · Post by **Thundering Herd** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:14 am

clenz wrote:
JBB wrote:I dont think the MVC is going to budge. Its much easier for the MVFC to acquiesce to the pressure because expansion of that conference makes sense. UNO and USD both are prepared to enter the realm of the FCS but are not at all ready to compete in the MVC either from a facilities standpoint or program readiness. NDSU and SDSU are also marginal.

The Summit is the spot for these teams and its the MVFC that is having to expand, not the MVC. Summit football is a pretty big bargaining chip and its likely the MVC gives a hoot.
I don't think Doug Elgin and Patty V that are worried right now about Summit League football.

It would be very stupid of the Summit schools to step away from the MVFC on many levels.

I did like the comment about none of the summit schools being on par with the MVC facilities though. It's probably pretty damn accurate. I've never been to BSA, but I've been to the Jack's home court (name escaping me right now) and it would by the worst basketball facility in the MVC by about 50 miles.

The BSA is even worse.

Post by **clenz** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:39 am

Thundering Herd wrote:
clenz wrote: I don't think Doug Elgin and Patty V that are worried right now about Summit League football.

It would be very stupid of the Summit schools to step away from the MVFC on many levels.

I did like the comment about none of the summit schools being on par with the MVC facilities though. It's probably pretty damn accurate. I've never been to BSA, but I've been to the Jack's home court (name escaping me right now) and it would by the worst basketball facility in the MVC by about 50 miles.
The BSA is even worse.

I'm trying to think which school has the worst basketball arena in the MVC. Evansville is opening a brand new - amazing looking - arena next year. UNI's arena opened in 06. SIU was probably near the bottom but the renovations were amazing from what I hear. MSU just opened a new place. Creighton uses the Quest Center....DRAKE

You might be close to Drake. The Knapp center SUCKS BALLS

NDSU - Bison Sports Arena

SDSU - Frost Arena

Bradley - Carver Arena

Creighton - Quest Center, 17,000

Drake - Knapp Center, 7,000

Evansville - Robert's Arena, 11,600 (closes after this season)

A rendering of the new Evansville Arena

Illinois State - Redbird Arena, 10,600

Indiana State - Hulman Center, 10,200

Missouri State - JHQ Areana, 11,000

UNI - McLeod Center, 7,200

SIU - SIU Arena, 10,00

Wichita State - Charles Koch Arena, 10,500

Thundering Herd · Post by **Thundering Herd** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:49 am

clenz wrote:
Thundering Herd wrote: The BSA is even worse.
I'm trying to think which school has the worst basketball arena in the MVC. Evansville is opening a brand new - amazing looking - arena next year. UNI's arena opened in 06. SIU was probably near the bottom but the renovations were amazing from what I hear. MSU just opened a new place. Creighton uses the Quest Center....DRAKE

You might be close to Drake. The Knapp center SUCKS BALLS

NDSU would have the worst if they were to be in that discussion. The new arena they are planning can't come soon enough...

JBB · Post by **JBB** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:22 am

The new arena at NDSU will be inadequate as planned too. Its only going to have 6,500 seats. Not much room for growth.

FargoBison · Post by **FargoBison** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:26 am

The new arena will be similar to UNI's, it will be perfect for NDSU basketball.

Post by **TwinTownBisonFan** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:40 am

FargoBison wrote:The new arena will be similar to UNI's, it will be perfect for NDSU basketball.

this.

JBB · Post by **JBB** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:00 pm

Perfect for NDSU basketball today maybe, but what about 5 yrs from now? At 6,500 seats its about 2/3 the size it needs to be if there are aspirations of growing the program to MVC standards.

Thundering Herd · Post by **Thundering Herd** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:20 pm

JBB wrote:Perfect for NDSU basketball today maybe, but what about 5 yrs from now? At 6,500 seats its about 2/3 the size it needs to be if there are aspirations of growing the program to MVC standards.

Let's try to sellout out our home games before we think we need a 10,000 seat stadium like those in the MVC. Their design of the new arena will be perfect for what is needed here.

Post by **TwinTownBisonFan** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:28 pm

Thundering Herd wrote:
JBB wrote:Perfect for NDSU basketball today maybe, but what about 5 yrs from now? At 6,500 seats its about 2/3 the size it needs to be if there are aspirations of growing the program to MVC standards.
Let's try to sellout out our home games before we think we need a 10,000 seat stadium like those in the MVC. Their design of the new arena will be perfect for what is needed here.

In JBB's mind we might as well break the bank and build Big 10 facilities, as an invite is imminent...

Thundering Herd · Post by **Thundering Herd** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:05 pm

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
Thundering Herd wrote: Let's try to sellout out our home games before we think we need a 10,000 seat stadium like those in the MVC. Their design of the new arena will be perfect for what is needed here.
In JBB's mind we might as well break the bank and build Big 10 facilities, as an invite is imminent...

Obviously...

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