Talent pool: Where the Div I signees come from

[BDKJMU]

Very Interesting, and shocking for the bottom 4 states:
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[SuperHornet]

I object to their limitation of this list to FBS. FBS flat-out whomps.

[DuckDuckGriz]

There should be an asterisk to this. It's only FBS...

Keeping FCS out of the D-I conversation is a CS.com party foul.

[BDKJMU]

Anyway, copy of a post I made over on the JMU Zone:

"Using Wiki (2010 Census data) and some rough math, looking at nearby states to VA. My math may be a little off, I may have missed a scholly school in one or 2 of the states, but the point remains.

Delaware, population 900,000, 2 Div I programs, UD and DSU, 126 schollies, about one scholly per 7,000 people.

West Virginia, population 1.85 million, 2 Div I scholly programs, 170 schollies, about one scholly per 11,000 people.

Virginia, population 8.0 million, 10 Div I scholly programs, 674 schollies, about one scholly per 12,000 people.

North Carolina, population 9.5 million, 11 Div I scholly programs (5 I-A, 6 I-AA (ASU, Elon, WCU, Gardner Webb, NCCU, NC A&T), 803 schollies, about one scholly per 12,000 people.

Maryland, population 5.8 million, 3 Div I scholly rograms (excluding Navy), Maryland, Towson, Morgan St, 211 schollies, about one scholly per 27,500 people.

Pennsylvania, population 12.7 million, 6 Div I scholly programs:
-3 I-A (Penn State, Temple, Pitt)
-4 I-AA: Nova (as of now), Dusquene (36 schollies), Robert Morris (36), St Francis (36)
426 schollies, about one schollie per every 30,000 people.

New York, population 19.4 million, 6 Div I scholly programs (excluding Army), 2 I-A (Cuse & Buffalo) and 4 I-AA (Stoney Brook, Fordham (soon to be 63?), Albany (36), Wagner (36), 368 schollies, about one scholly per 53,000 people.

New Jersey, population 8.8 million, 2 Div I scholly programs, Rutgers and Monmouth (36 schollies), 121 schollies, about one scholly per 73,000 people...."

A majority of JMU's players come from VA (and 7 of the 15 signees), but taking a look at the surrounding and nearby states:
JMU 10' roster and 11' signees:
WV: 0, signees 0
DE: 0, signees 0
NC: 5, signees 0
NJ: 5, signees 1
PA: 5, signees 3
MD: 10, signees 3

JMU is getting a # of players from neighboring MD and PA. You can see why.

[DuckDuckGriz]

The Delaware number is impressive. But you can't compare regional value against the west. Different beast.

[BDKJMU]

There should be an asterisk to this. It's only FBS...

Keeping FCS out of the D-I conversation is a CS.com party foul.

Yeah, but I didn't see one for FCS.

[DuckDuckGriz]

There should be an asterisk to this. It's only FBS...

Keeping FCS out of the D-I conversation is a CS.com party foul.

Yeah, but I didn't see one for FCS. Its a good bet that the I-A and I-AA numbers roughly parallel in terms of each state's %.

In terms of Montana, Idaho, Oregon, Washington Wyoming, Utah, Dakotas - I bet there could not be a greater contrast.

[BDKJMU]

Yeah, but I didn't see one for FCS. Its a good bet that the I-A and I-AA numbers roughly parallel in terms of each state's %.

In terms of Montana, Idaho, Oregon, Washington Wyoming, Utah, Dakotas - I bet there could not be a greater contrast.

Ok, I should have said except for teams near the bottom. Agree in regards to Montana and the Dakotas. No I-A programs.

But how many I-AA recruits did states that have two I-A and one I-AA like Idaho, Oregon and Washington sign? Or Utah, which has 3 and one respectively? Or Wyoming, which doesn't have a I-AA?

[danefan]

NEC teams are capped at 36 athletic scholarships this year.

[UAalum72]

The population-scholarship ratio is greatly affected by the non-scholarship-but-good-enough-for-an-FBS-counter-calculation and the recruited-and-pay-nothing-but-we're-Ivy-so-we're-non-scholly schools in New York (Colgate, Cornell, Columbia) and Pennsylvania (Lehigh, Lafayette, Bucknell, Penn). Also missed St. Francis in PA.

[houndawg]

I think that the potential D-1 recruits in Vermont and NH are probably playing hockey.

[SeattleGriz]

Taking a different angle on the rankings shows why Montana is able to field a competitive team year after year with 50% Montana boys. No FBS schools scout the state for players, other than the really stellar.

This last year saw two very small town Montana boys make active NFL rosters. Why weren't these guys good enough for FBS? Because no school bothers to look in Montana very hard.

[Grizalltheway]

Taking a different angle on the rankings shows why Montana is able to field a competitive team year after year with 50% Montana boys. No FBS schools scout the state for players, other than the really stellar.

This last year saw two very small town Montana boys make active NFL rosters. Why weren't these guys good enough for FBS? Because no school bothers to look in Montana very hard.

Boise State grabbed Matt Miller from Helena last year, but he's a once-in-a-generation Montana talent, I would say.

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[93henfan]

I always knew Delaware had better high school talent per capita than Texas, PA, and Virginia.

Where's bandl?

And who knew Hawaii had more high school football players than Montana?

[CatMom]

Yeah, just leave out the 7 FCS football schools in TX...no problem. Only another 463 scholarships there.

I know they state FBS but the header has DI signees then goes on to single out FBS. If it's DI make it all of DI. And I know there weren't 463 recruits this year. But the signees for FCS can be looked up just as well

[Wildcat Ryan]

In terms of Montana, Idaho, Oregon, Washington Wyoming, Utah, Dakotas - I bet there could not be a greater contrast.

Ok, I should have said except for teams near the bottom. Agree in regards to Montana and the Dakotas. No I-A programs.

But how many I-AA recruits did states that have two I-A and one I-AA like Idaho, Oregon and Washington sign? Or Utah, which has 3 and one respectively? Or Wyoming, which doesn't have a I-AA?

Utah has 3 FBS (USU,Utah,BYU) and 2 FCS (WSU,SUU) five D-1 football teams.

[CatMom]

Texas has
10 FBS
7 FCS
(plus a bunch more DII, DIII and NAIA but we're not talking those here)

If it was all inclusive I know the % would change a great deal

Do private U's (Baylor, Rice, TCU) have the same # of schollies?

[SuperHornet]

CM: Private schools are AUTHORIZED the same # of schollies as anyone else, but internal finances would dictate whether they max those out or not. Current sanctions would affect that to some degree as well. I think there's a MINIMUM number of schollies for FBS membership, but I've never heard of anyone forcibly dropped for failure to live up to it, especially if some were lost due to sanction.

[UAalum72]

Yes, the FBS minimum is a two-year rolliing average of 76.5 (90% of the maximum 85) - so technically you could be as low as 68.5 for one year if you max out the next

[BDKJMU]

NEC teams are capped at 36 athletic scholarships this year.

The population-scholarship ratio is greatly affected by the non-scholarship-but-good-enough-for-an-FBS-counter-calculation and the recruited-and-pay-nothing-but-we're-Ivy-so-we're-non-scholly schools in New York (Colgate, Cornell, Columbia) and Pennsylvania (Lehigh, Lafayette, Bucknell, Penn). Also missed St. Francis in PA.

Fixed both.

[BDKJMU]

Yeah, just leave out the 7 FCS football schools in TX...no problem. Only another 463 scholarships there.

I know they state FBS but the header has DI signees then goes on to single out FBS. If it's DI make it all of DI. And I know there weren't 463 recruits this year. But the signees for FCS can be looked up just as well

7x63= 441

[BDKJMU]

Ok, I should have said except for teams near the bottom. Agree in regards to Montana and the Dakotas. No I-A programs.

But how many I-AA recruits did states that have two I-A and one I-AA like Idaho, Oregon and Washington sign? Or Utah, which has 3 and one respectively? Or Wyoming, which doesn't have a I-AA?

Utah has 3 FBS (USU,Utah,BYU) and 2 FCS (WSU,SUU) five D-1 football teams.

My bad- I'd forgotten about SUU..

[bluehenbillk]

The population-scholarship ratio is greatly affected by the non-scholarship-but-good-enough-for-an-FBS-counter-calculation and the recruited-and-pay-nothing-but-we're-Ivy-so-we're-non-scholly schools in New York (Colgate, Cornell, Columbia) and Pennsylvania (Lehigh, Lafayette, Bucknell, Penn). Also missed St. Francis in PA.

Can we all agree to stop calling the PL non-scholly. If anyone thinks the guys you watch out there on Saturdays are paying the 30-some to 50-some thousand bucks per year to goto those schools, well I have some sure-fire investment deals that I need your money for....

[BDKJMU]

Texas has
10 FBS
7 FCS
(plus a bunch more DII, DIII and NAIA but we're not talking those here)

If it was all inclusive I know the % would change a great deal

Do private U's (Baylor, Rice, TCU) have the same # of schollies?

Soon to be 12 right? (UT San Antonio and Tx State).

[bandl]

Yeah, just leave out the 7 FCS football schools in TX...no problem. Only another 463 scholarships there.

I know they state FBS but the header has DI signees then goes on to single out FBS. If it's DI make it all of DI. And I know there weren't 463 recruits this year. But the signees for FCS can be looked up just as well

7x63= 441