The Kennedy Proposal

[brandonkennedy]

Hhhhmmm….according to the first post of this thread, it looks like you have teams playing each other and the winners are advancing to play more teams in the next round…yup, sounds like a playoff to me, only this playoff allows the mathematically flawed BCS system to select the participants. I wonder what conferences will get priority into this non-playoff system. Sorry but this doesn’t even pass the smell test. Good luck getting this past anti-trust issues as it is only an expansion of the seriously flawed and unfair BCS system.

Thanks for the response. When you say the BCS is flawed and unfair that is just your opinion. Mr. Hancock's defense is that athleletes wouldn't recieve a bowl expierence in a playoff but indicating that my proposal is a playoff but also the BCS is the point im trying to prove. The athletes would play, win, advance to the next round but even if they lost, they would still smell the Roses, Oranges, and other BCS bowls in the first week of Janaury.

[SDHornet]

Thanks for the response. When you say the BCS is flawed and unfair that is just your opinion.

It’s more than an opinion. There has been a push by statisticians in the mathematical industry to boycott the BCS system due to its flaw with statistical fundamentals such as ignoring the point spread when using statistics to rank teams. The math involved is far deeper than just an opinion. Also it is important to note that the BCS has changed the BCS mathematical formula multiple times and will continue to do so until they find a function that will give them the answers they want. I suggest you dig a little deeper into this BCS system before making an asinine push to increase the power of the BCS.

Mr. Hancock's defense is that athleletes wouldn't recieve a bowl expierence in a playoff but indicating that my proposal is a playoff but also the BCS is the point im trying to prove. The athletes would play, win, advance to the next round but even if they lost, they would still smell the Roses, Oranges, and other BCS bowls in the first week of Janaury.

Didn't you just say your proposal isn't a playoff a few posts ago?

[brandonkennedy]

I believe it was you that said the Kennedy Proposal was a playoff system. Apparently, you have time to talk about the Kennedy Proposal because you don't have a proposal. I'll be working on improving the system while you can be a lemming.

[SDHornet]

You are an EWU alum, you just saw them march on to a D-1 NCAA National Championship. There were no computers involved, no backdoor deals and shady agreements. EWU got there by means of a true playoff and earned it on the field. Why you would go and use a dysfunctional tool like the BCS to determine a National Champion at the FBS level shows poor judgment and lack of common sense.

Just to be clear, my proposal is a 16 team playoff; all 11 FBS conferences get a bid a selection committee determines the remaining 5 at-large berths. (Kind of like the NCAA hoops tournament.) The at-large berths will look at the remaining successful teams and look at things like strength of schedule and how they played through the season, a complete look at the entire body of work. More than likely the stronger conferences will receive these at-large berths. Independent universities (Notre Dame, service academies) will also receive consideration in this process so they will not be left out of the playoff. As with the FCS playoff, the higher seed will get to host the game. Seeding can be determined by conference ranking. Sagarin or the other respected and used ranking systems can be used in determining this. The championship will be held at a neutral site. The remaining bowls can still stay in place. They can either invite teams that have been eliminated from the playoff or invite others; it can be left up to the bowls to invite who they want so long as it doesn’t conflict with anyone remaining in the playoff.

This plan will generate millions in revenue via a TV deal. Like the hoops tournament, each conference will receive a payout for each game one of its members plays in. A single payout/game amount will be equal regardless of which conferences participate in said game. The value will be determined by the TV contract, advertisement revenue, etc that the playoff will generate.

Easy enough for you to follow? It’s damn near identical to what is currently being used by the NCAA to determine the FCS, D-II, and D-III National Champions. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it brother.

[49RFootballNow]

The BCS already has requirements for earning AQ bids. Senator Hatch (R-UT) asked Mr. Hancock. http://hatch.senate.gov/public/index.cf ... f38f6f8566" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bill Hancock's Response: http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=5205668" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And it took how many stellar seasons by a non-AQ university to break into a BCS game? Meanwhile the Big East flounders in mediocrity and is still able to hold their chair at the table. WAFJ.

The other 5 BCS conferences can depend on the Big East to vote with them 101% of the time in the NCAA FBS Competition Committee (which votes by conference: 6 to 5). The Mountain West might only do so 99% of the time.

The devil you know..........

[SuperHornet]

Misterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Kennedyyyyyyyyyyy! Kennedyyyyyyyyyyyyyy............

[nwFL Griz]

Agree.

And this talk of conferences earning it such complete bullshit. You earn it by fulfilling NCAA requirements to receive an autobid. Just like in the FCS. Trying to throw the Pioneer in the discussion about how we don't include everyone either is disingenuous. They are a non-scholly league, so for all intents and purposes, they are not equal. In the FBS, every program provides 85 schollies. As long as the conference meets minimum requirements (# of members, in good standing, whatever), and they request and auto, they should be granted it.

The BCS already has requirements for earning AQ bids. Senator Hatch (R-UT) asked Mr. Hancock. http://hatch.senate.gov/public/index.cf ... f38f6f8566" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bill Hancock's Response: http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=5205668" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I am well aware of the BCS' rule in regards to earning an AQ. However, my whole paragraph was talking about how a playoff should determine an autobid. You know, like every other NCAA sport, except FBS football, does?

There should be nothing taken from the BCS that would be used in a playoff, except perhaps the location of the title game. A rotation between the 4 major bowls would be acceptable, as far as that goes.

FBS football is the only sport in the world (that I am aware of), where nearly half of the participants are eliminated from title contention based solely on the name of their team (school)....before a down is ever played.

[49RFootballNow]

Actually nearly 80% of all FBS teams, BCS and Non-BCS, are statistically eliminated from the so-called championship game before they ever take the field in August. That's no surprise with the non-BCS schools, but with the other BCS teams they also have virtually no shot at reaching the champ game. The only difference is they are paid to stay happy and not stand up for a chance.

[nwFL Griz]

Actually nearly 80% of all FBS teams, BCS and Non-BCS, are statistically eliminated from the so-called championship game before they ever take the field in August. That's no surprise with the non-BCS schools, but with the other BCS teams they also have virtually no shot at reaching the champ game. The only difference is they are paid to stay happy and not stand up for a chance.

It is a good point, but it is actually doable for one of the "lower" AQ teams to run their table and make the title game.

[49RFootballNow]

Actually nearly 80% of all FBS teams, BCS and Non-BCS, are statistically eliminated from the so-called championship game before they ever take the field in August. That's no surprise with the non-BCS schools, but with the other BCS teams they also have virtually no shot at reaching the champ game. The only difference is they are paid to stay happy and not stand up for a chance.

It is a good point, but it is actually doable for one of the "lower" AQ teams to run their table and make the title game.

Well that's true but most of the "lower" AQ teams aren't ranked in the top 25 FIRST BCS polls and they usually don't have a "worthy" enough OOC schedule. Lower AQ teams are the rough equivalent of middle to high non-AQ's, they literally have to survive a Murders' Row OOC schedule to get near the top 5. Can you really see a Duke or Baylor, even undefeated, make the Champ Game over a 1 loss Big 10 or SEC team? I'd dare say that only 1 conference, the SEC, could get more than the top 50% of their schools into the Champ Game as undefeated teams.

The bottom to middle teams in most BCS conferences are little more than high price call girls for their conferences' top programs. Sure, they get paid well; but they still know its wrong, won't get them to the big game, they still struggle to pay their bills, and the experience will leave them tainted.

[nwFL Griz]

It is a good point, but it is actually doable for one of the "lower" AQ teams to run their table and make the title game.

Well that's true but most of the "lower" AQ teams aren't ranked in the top 25 FIRST BCS polls and they usually don't have a "worthy" enough OOC schedule. Lower AQ teams are the rough equivalent of middle to high non-AQ's, they literally have to survive a Murders' Row OOC schedule to get near the top 5. Can you really see a Duke or Baylor, even undefeated, make the Champ Game over a 1 loss Big 10 or SEC team? I'd dare say that only 1 conference, the SEC, could get more than the top 50% of their schools into the Champ Game as undefeated teams.

The bottom to middle teams in most BCS conferences are little more than high price call girls for their conferences' top programs. Sure, they get paid well; but they still know its wrong, won't get them to the big game, they still struggle to pay their bills, and the experience will leave them tainted.

Agree.

[brandonkennedy]

You are an EWU alum, you just saw them march on to a D-1 NCAA National Championship. There were no computers involved, no backdoor deals and shady agreements. EWU got there by means of a true playoff and earned it on the field. Why you would go and use a dysfunctional tool like the BCS to determine a National Champion at the FBS level shows poor judgment and lack of common sense.

Just to be clear, my proposal is a 16 team playoff; all 11 FBS conferences get a bid a selection committee determines the remaining 5 at-large berths. (Kind of like the NCAA hoops tournament.) The at-large berths will look at the remaining successful teams and look at things like strength of schedule and how they played through the season, a complete look at the entire body of work. More than likely the stronger conferences will receive these at-large berths. Independent universities (Notre Dame, service academies) will also receive consideration in this process so they will not be left out of the playoff. As with the FCS playoff, the higher seed will get to host the game. Seeding can be determined by conference ranking. Sagarin or the other respected and used ranking systems can be used in determining this. The championship will be held at a neutral site. The remaining bowls can still stay in place. They can either invite teams that have been eliminated from the playoff or invite others; it can be left up to the bowls to invite who they want so long as it doesn’t conflict with anyone remaining in the playoff.

This plan will generate millions in revenue via a TV deal. Like the hoops tournament, each conference will receive a payout for each game one of its members plays in. A single payout/game amount will be equal regardless of which conferences participate in said game. The value will be determined by the TV contract, advertisement revenue, etc that the playoff will generate.

Easy enough for you to follow? It’s damn near identical to what is currently being used by the NCAA to determine the FCS, D-II, and D-III National Champions. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it brother.

I am not an EWU Alum but I will be soon. However, not only did I attend EWU I was up at 5 AM with these guys preparing for winter ball. Bill Hancock says the decisions we make now are going to affect us 20 years from now. Which makes sense. Coach Beau and the staff decided it was best to move Mr. Jones from cornerback to running back. How do you think that will affect EWU for the next 20 years?

Just to be clear, FBS, unlike, FCS, DII, and DIII, do not have to balance a bowl season. Easy enough to follow? If that isn't, here's a link of Bill Hancock recently rejecting your proposal. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/10 ... title-espn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[brandonkennedy]

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[SDHornet]

Just to be clear, FBS, unlike, FCS, DII, and DIII, do not have to balance a bowl season. Easy enough to follow? If that isn't, here's a link of Bill Hancock recently rejecting your proposal. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/10 ... title-espn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I never said the bowls couldn’t be played in parallel with the playoff. They could still be played Sunday thru Friday if they want to. (Assuming all playoff games are on a Saturday.) A 16 team playoff can be completed in 4 weekends. The schools will most likely want some time off after the conference championships for finals and rest. So be it, a 4 weekend long 16 team playoff can still be completed by the first week of January which would result in no additional class time lost when compared to how long the bowls are currently drawn out for.

And of course Hancock is going to reject a playoff, he is the BCS executive director. His job is to increase the gap between the haves and have-nots. Supporting a playoff does not maintain the status quo. Again, good luck with the anit-trust lawsuits that will eventually be filed against any system using the BCS.

“I will stand here and tell you this system works," BCS Executive Director Bill Hancock said...

[SDHornet]

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I agree. The FBS should have a playoff, just not one that uses the currently flawed BCS mathematics to select the participants.

Cool clip of EWU walking onto the field.

[brandonkennedy]

I think you need to go back an do some research. The BCS is designed to mathc number 1 vs. number 2. This BCS is working. Whether you like it or not is your opinion that differentiates from fact.

Good Luck with your 16 team playoff. Not going to happen.

[brandonkennedy]

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I agree. The FBS should have a playoff, just not one that uses the currently flawed BCS mathematics to select the participants.

Cool clip of EWU walking onto the field.

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[SDHornet]

I agree. The FBS should have a playoff, just not one that uses the currently flawed BCS mathematics to select the participants.

Cool clip of EWU walking onto the field.

FBS does have a playoff. It's called the BCS.

You can't be serious.
The BCS is so perfect, that is why you are writting a proposal to change it.

[SDHornet]

I think you need to go back an do some research. The BCS is designed to mathc number 1 vs. number 2. This BCS is working. Whether you like it or not is your opinion that differentiates from fact.

The BCS has had snafus, no doubt, but has managed 10 times in 13 tries match the No. 1 and No. 2 teams in the Associated Press poll.

Quoted from your LA Times article.
Hell, at least the BCS is successful 76.9% of the time.

Good Luck with your 16 team playoff. Not going to happen.

Good luck battling anti-trust lawsuits with any system backed with a flawed BCS system.

[brandonkennedy]

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[brandonkennedy]

I think you need to go back an do some research. The BCS is designed to mathc number 1 vs. number 2. This BCS is working. Whether you like it or not is your opinion that differentiates from fact.

The BCS has had snafus, no doubt, but has managed 10 times in 13 tries match the No. 1 and No. 2 teams in the Associated Press poll.

Quoted from your LA Times article.
Hell, at least the BCS is successful 76.9% of the time.

Good Luck with your 16 team playoff. Not going to happen.

Good luck battling anti-trust lawsuits with any system backed with a flawed BCS system.

Thanks. Because I would just like to remind you that this forum is "The Kennedy Proposal", not SDHornet's 16 team playoff that has been rejected by the NCAA. Thanks again for writing.

[SDHornet]

Thanks. Because I would just like to remind you that this forum is "The Kennedy Proposal", not SDHornet's 16 team playoff that has been rejected by the NCAA. Thanks again for writing.

No worries. You will find critics everywhere you turn. If a little subjective questioning about your proposal gets you all stressed out and upset I don't know what to tell you.

Best of luck on your journey.

[89Hen]

This whole thread...

[brandonkennedy]

Thanks. Because I would just like to remind you that this forum is "The Kennedy Proposal", not SDHornet's 16 team playoff that has been rejected by the NCAA. Thanks again for writing.

No worries. You will find critics everywhere you turn. If a little subjective questioning about your proposal gets you all stressed out and upset I don't know what to tell you.

Best of luck on your journey.

I'm not stressed at all because your questioning is unreasonable. I've done my homework and am interested in coversation but if you're going to act like immature giving false claims with even less supporting arguments then i'll stick to talking with people who have subjective questioning but also have a sense of logic. I have sent my proposal to every ESPN writer, the ESPN President, every AQ BCS President, and every writer in the Football Writers Association of America. Can you provide asine research that deep? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02824.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

While others like yourself sit and down play movements on the internet, I'm living one. You are more than welcome to keep advocating for a 16 team playoff. I'll know you'll serious when you send it to Congress. Other than that, you might as well be Bill Hancock because since you haven't proposed a better BCS, then you apparently support the current system.

[SDHornet]

No worries. You will find critics everywhere you turn. If a little subjective questioning about your proposal gets you all stressed out and upset I don't know what to tell you.

Best of luck on your journey.

I'm stressed at all because your questioning is unreasonable. I've done my homework and am interested in coversation but if you're going to act like a jackass giving false claims with even less supporting arguments then i'll stick to talking with people who have subjective questioning but also have a sense of logic.

Please feel free to point out any of my false claims. I’ve essentially regurgitated what has been researched and discussed in “Death to the BCS.” I suggest you read it to understand some of the mathematical flaws pertaining to the BCS calculations and why so many people are infuriated with the way the BCS has conducted itself with respect to allowing outsiders a chance in their system.