The Kennedy Proposal

[Appaholic]

I guess where we differ is you want all conference champs in the field, I only want ones from conferences that earn it.

And that is what the debate will always be about. If those conferences are excluded, they may as well drop to FCS or not play football as they will have little or nothing to gain from playing in a system where they don’t even have an input.

Perhaps they should, but the BCS hasn't caused them to, so I doubt the new system will either....

[SDHornet]

Sorry but I think the value of seeing the top teams match-up against one another in the final rounds and championship game far outweigh the perceived lower value the Sun Belt, MAC and C-USA would do to the contract value of an FBS playoff.

I too think a playoff would rake in the dollars, but you keep dodging the two basic questions... do you think FIU or VT would bring in MORE money, and do you think FIU or VT is more deserving of a spot at the table?

I’ll answer them. VT will bring more viewers and the bigger name, but if they don’t win the ACC, they shouldn’t get a bid into my fantasy playoffs, JMU should.

VT is not more deserving that FIU in the context of each conference should have at least one bid regardless of how weak it is. I’m still sticking with my guns about each conference getting a bid, even if a perceived “more deserving” team is left at home because it couldn’t take care of business against an FCS team and an over-rated Boise State. If we are talking at-large bids then yes VT would get a nod over FIU.

[SDHornet]

Perhaps they should, but the BCS hasn't caused them to, so I doubt the new system will either....

Which is why the NCAA needs to take over if a playoff system is implemented.

[89Hen]

And that is what the debate will always be about. If those conferences are excluded, they may as well drop to FCS or not play football as they will have little or nothing to gain from playing in a system where they don’t even have an input.

Baloney. Win and you're in. Lose every OOC game and you don't deserve to be in.

[89Hen]

VT is not more deserving that FIU in the context of each conference should have at least one bid regardless of how weak it is. I’m still sticking with my guns about each conference getting a bid, even if a perceived “more deserving” team is left at home because it couldn’t take care of business against an FCS team and an over-rated Boise State. If we are talking at-large bids then yes VT would get a nod over FIU.

Then we are at an impasse. FIU couldn't get it done against Rutgers, Texas A&M, Maryland, Pitt or Florida Atlantic.

[SDHornet]

VT is not more deserving that FIU in the context of each conference should have at least one bid regardless of how weak it is. I’m still sticking with my guns about each conference getting a bid, even if a perceived “more deserving” team is left at home because it couldn’t take care of business against an FCS team and an over-rated Boise State. If we are talking at-large bids then yes VT would get a nod over FIU.

Then we are at an impasse. FIU couldn't get it done against Rutgers, Texas A&M, Maryland, Pitt or Florida Atlantic.

And VT couldn’t get it done against a 6-5 FCS team. As you said, win and you’re in. FIU took care of business in their conference match-ups, congrats to them, they would get to play at Oregon.

[89Hen]

FIU couldn't get it done against Rutgers, Texas A&M, Maryland, Pitt or Florida Atlantic.

And VT couldn’t get it done against a 6-5 FCS team. As you said, win and you’re in. FIU took care of business in their conference match-ups, congrats to them, they would get to play at Oregon.

Enough of them.

Could you imagine what JMU could have done to FIU?

[SDHornet]

And VT couldn’t get it done against a 6-5 FCS team. As you said, win and you’re in. FIU took care of business in their conference match-ups, congrats to them, they would get to play at Oregon.

Enough of them.

Could you imagine what JMU could have done to FIU?

Probably humiliate FIU. If the Sun Belt is deemed unworthy to be FBS, then that’s on the NCAA, but if they are going to be allowed to remain FBS, they should be included in a playoff. It sucks for the “more deserving” teams out there but that’s the way I think it should be. It would be interesting to see what would be done about this issue if a playoff is ever considered/implemented.

[89Hen]

If the Sun Belt is deemed unworthy to be FBS, then that’s on the NCAA, but if they are going to be allowed to remain FBS, they should be included in a playoff. It sucks for the “more deserving” teams out there but that’s the way I think it should be. It would be interesting to see what would be done about this issue if a playoff is ever considered/implemented.

Easy, just do what I said (or Appa said)... no need to drop them, just make them qualify. You act as if the NCAA has never put a conditional playoff spot in mix before.

[dbackjon]

First thing that needs to happen is a douching of FBS football.

38 teams aren't averaging 25K this year.

Only one is BCS conference (Wazoo, and they will likely up the average this weekend over the 25K mark.)


Others under 25K
5 C-USA
4 Mountain West
All 9 Sunbelt
All 13 MAC
6 WAC teams

If you put the cut off at 20K, it would be like this:
1 C-USA
7 SunBelt
11 MAC
6 WAC

8 Schools can't even average 15K
5 MAC
1 Sunbelt
2 WAC

[SDHornet]

If the Sun Belt is deemed unworthy to be FBS, then that’s on the NCAA, but if they are going to be allowed to remain FBS, they should be included in a playoff. It sucks for the “more deserving” teams out there but that’s the way I think it should be. It would be interesting to see what would be done about this issue if a playoff is ever considered/implemented.

Easy, just do what I said (or Appa said)... no need to drop them, just make them qualify. You act as if the NCAA has never put a conditional playoff spot in mix before.

Then why even allow them to be FBS? I couldn’t care less if they are dropped to FCS, however if they are allowed to remain FBS, they should be included. They “qualified” for the playoffs when the NCAA allowed those schools to move to the FBS ranks. I am ok with a purging that DBJon pointed out. There are plenty of schools that have no business being FBS, but since they are allowed to be FBS, they need to be included.

[89Hen]

Then why even allow them to be FBS?

Because each and every year they have a chance to make the field, and when they don't, they can still go to their bowl game. Why force them down? There's no harm in them staying, the only harm would be giving them one of the 16 spots when they aren't even in the top 25.

Again, there is precident for the NCAA to NOT give every conference an auto and to give conditional playoff spots to conference winners. The facts are in my favor on this one.

[SDHornet]

That may be a solution, but I don’t think the Sun Belt would just sit idly by the way side as they get passed up on lucrative payouts associated with a playoff. Who knows, maybe the Sun Belt would be ok with that.

[BDKJMU]

Haven't read through these 4 pages, but here is the BDK proposal for a 16 team playoff.

-Any conference with at least 12 teams and a conference championship game gets an autobid. In 2 years that will be 7 conferences: ACC, SEC, Big 10(12), Big 12, MAC, Conference USA, and MAC. Sorry Big East, Sun Belt, MTN West, and WAC. Teams that win a 8-9 team conference shouldn't be given the same consideration of a team that wins a 12-16 team conference with a championship game.
-9 At large. Now if you get an 8th conference of 12 or more tams with a conference championship game then it would shrink to 8 At Large. Conversely, if you get some superconferences formed and the # of conferences with at least 12 teams and a conference championship game shrinks to 6, then you simply have 10 At Large.

-Round of 16 would be the week after the league Championship Games. This yr that would be Sat, Dec, 10th.
-Qtr finals would be the following week (this yr that would be Sat, Dec 17th)
-Semi finals would be on/around NY day.
-BCS NC game would be on/around Jan 8, when the current NC game is held.

-4 current BCS bowl games, Orange, Sugar, Fiesta, and Rose would take turns hosting the semis on/around NY Day. The remaining 2 BCS bowl games could chose among the 4 qtr final losers, to be played in their usual time slots from Jan 1-Jan 5.

Remaing 30 bowls would be continue as is and would be filled by the everyone outside of the 4 semi final teams. This year that would mean the remaining 63 bowl eligible teams for the remaining 30 bowls/60 spots.

Biggest problem with my plan is that you would go from having teams play up to 14 games (12 regular season + league championship game + bowl game) to the most of the 16 team playoff field playing 15-17 games (12 game regular season, league championship game, then 1-2 playoff games plus a bowl game or 3-4 playoff games. But now you could have I-AA playing 15-16 with the expanded playoffs, so not insurmountable.

[Ivytalk]

I hate the Kennedys.

[49RFootballNow]

16 team FBS playoff.

Top 8 conference champs get auto-bids.

If a 9th or greater conference champ finishes in the top 50 they also get an auto-bid.

At-large spots go to the top 8 (or less) remaining non-conference champs.

Top 8 teams host the bottom 8 in the first round.

Quarter finals move to 4 of the top 6 bowl games.

Semi finals move to remaining 2 bowl games.

Champ Game hosted by one of the 6 top bowls (not 1 of the 2 semi-final sites that year).

All remaining bowls stay the same.

How the top 6 bowls will work:

Two regions:

East

Sugar, Orange, Peach

West

Rose, Fiesta, Cotton

Every three years a bowl will rotate to the semi-final site with the other 2 serving as quarter-final sites.

Every six years a quater-final site will also host the champ game, all 6 getting it in that time.

[SDHornet]

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[brandonkennedy]

Washington State Senate
Senator Lisa Brown
3rd Legislative District
Senate Majority Leader
Spokane, WA 99201





Dear Senator Brown:

This responds to the December 22, 2010 meeting with Public Policy advisor Marcus Riccelli. Mr. Riccelli asked me to provide information on my primary objective during the 112th Congress. An official petition, antitrust complaints, and State Rule of Reason litigation against the University of Washington and Washington State University and other efforts will be taken to complete the objective to convince the Department of Justice (DOJ) to sue the Association of Conferences for lack to respond to consumer preference by not implementing a less-restrictive alternative for the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) event.

The Kennedy Proposal (KP) is an expansion package that would afford a National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) playoff structure while ensuring the BCS met its stated objective. Assistant Attorney General Ronald Wiech responded to Senator Orrin Hatch’s (R-UT) letter to President Barack Obama asking for a DOJ investigation into the BCS for violation under the antitrust laws, stating they may ask a government or non-governmental entity or commission to study the benefits, costs, and feasibility of a playoff system.

If the KP is feasible, the option for the DOJ to sue the BCS and NCAA for post-season broadcasting rights and post-season gate revenues is available. Mr. Hancock says financial inducements will not lead to changes but the ESCROW account he manages does not have the revenues to pay 30 years of damages and 90 years of monetary fees.

If the KP were implemented, Texas Christian University (TCU) could have hosted and beat Ohio State in a 2nd round game, loss a nail biter to Oregon in a NCAA Semi-final in Eugene but Purple Nation would still have the opportunity to say, “We’re Rose Bowl Champions”. TCU Quarterback Andy Dalton said playing in the Rose Bowl game was a “dream come true”. The ambience of New Year’s Day and the San Gabriel Mountains will continue to breathe and the opportunity to win the College Super Bowl would be born with the implementation of the KP.

Senator Brown, after the conclusion of last night’s game, the promotion, marketing, advertising, and competitive process for the 2012 BCS National Championship Game began. Mr. Hancock and the NCAA continue to deny and block the KP. We feel Congress could throw a stone and address this issue by inviting Mr. Hancock, the Conference Commissioners, Chairman Spanier, President Emmert, and Chairman Ray to testify about the Kennedy Proposal.


Sincerely,


Brandon E. Kennedy Jesse T. Wenzl
Executive Director of the KP Coalition 2nd Member of KP Coalition

[SDHornet]

BK,

Good luck...and BTW, your playoff proposal fucking sucks.

Sincerely,
Non-AQ universities.

[nwFL Griz]

BK,

Good luck...and BTW, your playoff proposal fucking sucks.

Sincerely,
Non-AQ universities.

Agree.

And this talk of conferences earning it such complete bullshit. You earn it by fulfilling NCAA requirements to receive an autobid. Just like in the FCS. Trying to throw the Pioneer in the discussion about how we don't include everyone either is disingenuous. They are a non-scholly league, so for all intents and purposes, they are not equal. In the FBS, every program provides 85 schollies. As long as the conference meets minimum requirements (# of members, in good standing, whatever), and they request and auto, they should be granted it.

[SuperHornet]

Kennedy....

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[brandonkennedy]

Non Aq- Universities:

Thanks for the wishes but luck is not going to get a proposal to the President's office. BTW, the Kennedy Proposal is not a playoff proposal. It is a BCS Expansion Proposal. No wonder why Mr. Monts testifies, "That argument fails because it starts from the wrong baseline." p.7July 7, 2009 The Bowl Championship Series: Is it Fair and In Compliance with the Antitrust Laws? http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/he ... fm?id=3951" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[SDHornet]

Hhhhmmm….according to the first post of this thread, it looks like you have teams playing each other and the winners are advancing to play more teams in the next round…yup, sounds like a playoff to me, only this playoff allows the mathematically flawed BCS system to select the participants. I wonder what conferences will get priority into this non-playoff system. Sorry but this doesn’t even pass the smell test. Good luck getting this past anti-trust issues as it is only an expansion of the seriously flawed and unfair BCS system.

[brandonkennedy]

BK,

Good luck...and BTW, your playoff proposal **** sucks.

Sincerely,
Non-AQ universities.

Agree.

And this talk of conferences earning it such complete bullshit. You earn it by fulfilling NCAA requirements to receive an autobid. Just like in the FCS. Trying to throw the Pioneer in the discussion about how we don't include everyone either is disingenuous. They are a non-scholly league, so for all intents and purposes, they are not equal. In the FBS, every program provides 85 schollies. As long as the conference meets minimum requirements (# of members, in good standing, whatever), and they request and auto, they should be granted it.

The BCS already has requirements for earning AQ bids. Senator Hatch (R-UT) asked Mr. Hancock. http://hatch.senate.gov/public/index.cf ... f38f6f8566" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bill Hancock's Response: http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=5205668" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[SDHornet]

Agree.

And this talk of conferences earning it such complete bullshit. You earn it by fulfilling NCAA requirements to receive an autobid. Just like in the FCS. Trying to throw the Pioneer in the discussion about how we don't include everyone either is disingenuous. They are a non-scholly league, so for all intents and purposes, they are not equal. In the FBS, every program provides 85 schollies. As long as the conference meets minimum requirements (# of members, in good standing, whatever), and they request and auto, they should be granted it.

The BCS already has requirements for earning AQ bids. Senator Hatch (R-UT) asked Mr. Hancock. http://hatch.senate.gov/public/index.cf ... f38f6f8566" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bill Hancock's Response: http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=5205668" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And it took how many stellar seasons by a non-AQ university to break into a BCS game? Meanwhile the Big East flounders in mediocrity and is still able to hold their chair at the table. WAFJ.