The Kennedy Proposal

[89Hen]

Sure they do. They will get matched up against the SEC #1 seed and get smashed. And the NCAA/host school will make millions from the TV revenue, concessions and tickets sold from that blow out. The result from the bottom line ($$$) says they should get a playoff bid.

Hornet, you never cease to amaze. An Auburn vs Ohio State first round game wouldn't make more money than an Auburn/FIU game?

[mcveyrl]

Let's not forget that our own glorious playoff system does not guarantee bids to all conference champs. The newest AQs included a 6-5 team that lost and a conference champ that got blown the f out in the first round, by a so-so team. Both of these new AQs, by the way, were deemed to be in the bottom 8 of the 20 team field.

[SDHornet]

Sure they do. They will get matched up against the SEC #1 seed and get smashed. And the NCAA/host school will make millions from the TV revenue, concessions and tickets sold from that blow out. The result from the bottom line ($$$) says they should get a playoff bid.

Hornet, you never cease to amaze. An Auburn vs Ohio State first round game wouldn't make more money than an Auburn/FIU game?

Why would Auburn/Ohio State meet in round 1? An Auburn/Ohio State would make more money in round 3 or a Championship game. Why undersell that matchup?

[89Hen]

Hornet, you never cease to amaze. An Auburn vs Ohio State first round game wouldn't make more money than an Auburn/FIU game?

Why would Auburn/Ohio State meet in round 1? An Auburn/Ohio State would make more money in round 3 or a Championship game. Why undersell that matchup?

Fine, pick your 16th team. It's surely better than FIU.

Let's say to get an auto, you have to finish in the top 25 BCS. That would mean the field as of today...

1 Auburn vs 24 West Virginia
8 Michigan State vs 9 Oklahoma

4 Stanford vs 13 Nebraska
5 Wisconsin vs 12 Missouri


2 Oregon vs 15 Virginia Tech
7 Arkansas vs 10 LSU

3 TCU vs 14 Oklahoma State
6 Ohio State vs 11 Boise State

You seriously think FIU in there is better than Virginia Tech? That's who would be bumped out. WVU bumps out Alabama.

[SDHornet]

Again, the point isn’t assuming that FIU is better than VT, with that logic the current system in place is sufficient. The point is FIU or TCU or BSU doesn’t have a chance at the title. Also VT has an FCS loss, therefore in the eyes of the current system, they suck and will only get a BCS bid because their conference is juiced in even though the ACC has proven over the past years that the conference isn’t deserving of a BCS bid, same can be said about the Big East.

Here would be my FBS 16 playoff teams. Obviously since the season isn’t over and for the sake of argument, I selected the teams who are ranked higher in the AP poll to take the conference.

• Big-10: Wisconsin (there is a 3 way tie this season but that will go away as they will have a conference championship game starting next season)
  SEC: Auburn
  Pac-10: Oregon
  Big 12: Nebraska
  WAC: Boise State (yes there is more than likely to be a 3 way tie this season, but the WAC won’t exist in 2 years so I am including them for the sake of argument, plus they are ranked higher than UH and Nevada.)
  MWC: TCU
  MAC: Northern Illinois
  C-USA: UCF
  Big East: West Virginia (The Big East is not deserving of an at-large bid.)
  ACC: Virginia Tech (The ACC is not deserving of an at-large bid.)
  Sun Belt: FIU (there’s your boy 89)
  At-large: Stanford, Ohio State, Michigan State, Arkansas, Oklahoma

Seeding is based on Sagarin rating for their respective conference. I worked my way matching the highest with the lowest and the at-larges somewhere in between. However seeding is decided, there are ways the NCAA can play with it. (Like geographical regions, see FCS.) Much like FCS, the power conference champs will be paired with the weaker conference champs as a reward for their success in the regular season. Also the success/increase profitability of a playoff system hinges on the higher seeded team hosting the lower seed in their respective match-ups. This would boost ticket sales and revenue. No more than the round containing the final four should be at a neutral site.
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• 1: Oregon vs. 16: FIU
  2: Auburn vs. 15: Northern Illinois
  3: Nebraska vs. 14: UCF
  4: Wisconsin vs. 13: Boise State
  5: Virginia Tech vs. 12: TCU
  6: West Virginia vs. 11: Oklahoma
  7: Stanford vs. 10: Michigan State
  8: Ohio State vs. 9: Arkansas

Notes: The at-large bids are ordered based on the AP Poll. Michigan State and Arkansas were switched such that two teams from the same conference don’t meet in round 1 (see FCS). Also with the WAC sure to die soon, that would open up another at-large berth for someone else. LSU was the next highest ranked team in the AP Poll.

I don’t know about you, but there are quite a few games that a lot of people would pay to go to and that will tune in on TV. Even though Oregon, Auburn, and Nebraska are playing what are perceived to be bad teams, I have no doubt that those schools would sell out those games.

[89Hen]

1 Auburn vs 24 West Virginia
8 Michigan State vs 9 Oklahoma

4 Stanford vs 13 Nebraska
5 Wisconsin vs 12 Missouri


2 Oregon vs 15 Virginia Tech
7 Arkansas vs 10 LSU

3 TCU vs 14 Oklahoma State
6 Ohio State vs 11 Boise State

• 1: Oregon vs. 16: FIU
  2: Auburn vs. 15: Northern Illinois
  3: Nebraska vs. 14: UCF
  4: Wisconsin vs. 13: Boise State
  5: Virginia Tech vs. 12: TCU
  6: West Virginia vs. 11: Oklahoma
  7: Stanford vs. 10: Michigan State
  8: Ohio State vs. 9: Arkansas

I'll take my field over your field every day of the week and twice on Sunday... so would 99% of America.

[89Hen]

BTW, this was your claim...

And the NCAA/host school will make millions from the TV revenue, concessions and tickets sold from that blow out. The result from the bottom line ($$$) says they should get a playoff bid.

Again, you really think Oregon vs FIU would bring in more money than Oregon vs Virginia Tech? If so, we're done disucssing this.

[dbackjon]

Is a 7-4 UConn more deserving of a bid than TCU/Boise/Utah?

[dbackjon]

BTW, this was your claim...

And the NCAA/host school will make millions from the TV revenue, concessions and tickets sold from that blow out. The result from the bottom line ($$$) says they should get a playoff bid.

Again, you really think Oregon vs FIU would bring in more money than Oregon vs Virginia Tech? If so, we're done disucssing this.

No, but if there is to be a TRUE NCAA playoff, then all conference champs must be included.

[mcveyrl]

Is a 7-4 UConn more deserving of a bid than TCU/Boise/Utah?

Is a 6-5 CCU more deserving of a bid than Jacksonville?

[mcveyrl]

BTW, this was your claim...


Again, you really think Oregon vs FIU would bring in more money than Oregon vs Virginia Tech? If so, we're done disucssing this.

No, but if there is to be a TRUE NCAA playoff, then all conference champs must be included.

Then FCS does not have a TRUE NCAA playoff??? Damn it, I've got to stop watching.

[dbackjon]

Is a 7-4 UConn more deserving of a bid than TCU/Boise/Utah?

Is a 6-5 CCU more deserving of a bid than Jacksonville?

No. I wish the Pioneer had an auto-bid

[dbackjon]

No, but if there is to be a TRUE NCAA playoff, then all conference champs must be included.

Then FCS does not have a TRUE NCAA playoff??? Damn it, I've got to stop watching.

Ivy and SWAC would have bids if they wanted. I would like the Pioneer to have a bid as well, but they are FCS only because there are not enough non-schollies to make a full division.

[SDHornet]

1 Auburn vs 24 West Virginia
8 Michigan State vs 9 Oklahoma

4 Stanford vs 13 Nebraska
5 Wisconsin vs 12 Missouri


2 Oregon vs 15 Virginia Tech
7 Arkansas vs 10 LSU

3 TCU vs 14 Oklahoma State
6 Ohio State vs 11 Boise State

• 1: Oregon vs. 16: FIU
  2: Auburn vs. 15: Northern Illinois
  3: Nebraska vs. 14: UCF
  4: Wisconsin vs. 13: Boise State
  5: Virginia Tech vs. 12: TCU
  6: West Virginia vs. 11: Oklahoma
  7: Stanford vs. 10: Michigan State
  8: Ohio State vs. 9: Arkansas

I'll take my field over your field every day of the week and twice on Sunday... so would 99% of America.

In that case keep the BCS as is...at least that is what your argument boils down to.

[mcveyrl]

Those that want every FBS conference represented must realize that we will never, ever, ever in a million thousand hundred years get a playoff that way.

Isn't the rule that for every auto you must have an AL? That means 11 ALs and 22 total teams. Nobody will go for that.

[SDHornet]

Those that want every FBS conference represented must realize that we will never, ever, ever in a million thousand hundred years get a playoff that way.

Isn't the rule that for every auto you must have an AL? That means 11 ALs and 22 total teams. Nobody will go for that.

10-20 when the WAC folds. Funny I heard of a playoff system somewhere that has a 20 team playoff...

[dbackjon]

Those that want every FBS conference represented must realize that we will never, ever, ever in a million thousand hundred years get a playoff that way.

Isn't the rule that for every auto you must have an AL? That means 11 ALs and 22 total teams. Nobody will go for that.

10-20 when the WAC folds. Funny I heard of a playoff system somewhere that has a 20 team playoff...

The new WAC doesn't have enough teams, even now, to qualify.

[SDHornet]

10-20 when the WAC folds. Funny I heard of a playoff system somewhere that has a 20 team playoff...

The new WAC doesn't have enough teams, even now, to qualify.

Which means they essentially become independent teams and could therefore receive an at-large bid if they performed well enough to deserve one.

[dbackjon]

The new WAC doesn't have enough teams, even now, to qualify.

Which means they essentially become independent teams and could therefore receive an at-large bid if they performed well enough to deserve one.

Correct, just like ND, BYU, Army, and Navy

[89Hen]

No, but if there is to be a TRUE NCAA playoff, then all conference champs must be included.

That's your opinion.

[89Hen]

In that case keep the BCS as is...at least that is what your argument boils down to.

I have no problem using the BCS standings to determine the field, but how can you infer that a 16 team playoff field is anything like the current system?

[Appaholic]

What if there was the following caveat. Only conferences with at least one team representative in the final top 25 / Coaches / etc (whatever poll or a combination of polls) is an AQ? This would keep out the Sun Belts, Conf USA, etc unless those teams were deemed worthy through the body of their year's work? What am I missing?

[mcveyrl]

Those that want every FBS conference represented must realize that we will never, ever, ever in a million thousand hundred years get a playoff that way.

Isn't the rule that for every auto you must have an AL? That means 11 ALs and 22 total teams. Nobody will go for that.

10-20 when the WAC folds. Funny I heard of a playoff system somewhere that has a 20 team playoff...

First, we know that the FBS powers that be don't care what has worked in the past. If they did, they would've looked at our 16 team playoff and copied that a looooong time ago.

Second, just because we have 20 teams doesn't mean it's good. None of the matchups were particularly compelling and if translated to FBS matchups would've been even less compelling...NDSU v. Robert Morris = Northern Illinois/WVU v. FIU...no thanks.

Third, not even the FBS playoff proponents suggest this many teams. Most want eight to sixteen teams. Any proposal with more than that will get laughed out of the room.

[Appaholic]

10-20 when the WAC folds. Funny I heard of a playoff system somewhere that has a 20 team playoff...

First, we know that the FBS powers that be don't care what has worked in the past. If they did, they would've looked at our 16 team playoff and copied that a looooong time ago.

Second, just because we have 20 teams doesn't mean it's good. None of the matchups were particularly compelling and if translated to FBS matchups would've been even less compelling...NDSU v. Robert Morris = Northern Illinois/WVU v. FIU...no thanks.

Third, not even the FBS playoff proponents suggest this many teams. Most want eight to sixteen teams. Any proposal with more than that will get laughed out of the room.

Agree. Wish FCS hadn't gone to 20....last weekends games were ho-hum.....well, to everyone but UNI...

[SDHornet]

The point is the issue that not every team in FBS has a shot at a national championship. If we ignore that fundamental purpose, there is really no reason to change the current system. If we exclude anyone, it makes any changes moot. A playoff field selected by the BCS and run by the BCS only benefits those currently in the BCS. We already have a system that crowns a “champion” using this type of process.

Also if not every conference has a shot, those left out will probably file some kind of a lawsuit. If that lawsuit fails, the schools in those conferences have no point in playing at the FBS level…and that is a whole different discussion.

Also comparing the media exposure an FBS playoff would get to what the FCS playoff currently gets is apples and oranges. The FBS schools have a larger share of media exposure so those “ho-hum” match-ups in the 1st round of an FBS playoff would at least be on ESPN and would be able to draw well over 10k-12k in attendance.