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JoltinJoe wrote:"Abortion is the ultimate exploitation of women."

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Stop Joe, for each one of these I can find ten regarding childbearing being the ultimate means of subjection for women.

Your point is taken, now let us sit back and enjoy this momentous occasion. :geek:
HURRAY!!!!

A MOMENTOUS OCCASION TO PREVENT THE SUBJECTION OF WOMEN


...who were apparently not wise enough to decide to have their abortion in the first trimester...

YAY!!!! WE GET TO STICK IT TO THE WHITE MALE OLIGARCHY ONCE MORE!!!!

TAKE THAT, WHITE MALES!!!!


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Oh give it a fcuking break, this has absolutely no place in politics, law, government, or anything. if you are a big enough piece of shit to have an abortion in the second trimester, hell at all, then go for it. Probably better that you don't have some pawn to teach your bull shit to anyway.
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I have obviously never been pregnant, so I'm curious why a woman would be pregnant for 3 months before finally deciding to get an abortion. I honestly don't know the process of pregnancy or anything like that. I am not offering an opinion on this, just wondering why said woman wouldn't decide in the first three months? T-man's picture is a difficult one to look at, what would be the reason for needing second trimester abortions?
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dbackjon wrote: then why do the original feminists talk about the "murder" of the child?
Cuz back in the day, women actually gave birth, then killed the child.
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D1B wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:
Cuz back in the day, women actually gave birth, then killed the child.


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travelinman67 wrote:
D1B wrote: Stop Joe, for each one of these I can find ten regarding childbearing being the ultimate means of subjection for women.

Your point is taken, now let us sit back and enjoy this momentous occasion. :geek:
HURRAY!!!!

A MOMENTOUS OCCASION TO PREVENT THE SUBJECTION OF WOMEN


...who were apparently not wise enough to decide to have their abortion in the first trimester...

YAY!!!! WE GET TO STICK IT TO THE WHITE MALE OLIGARCHY ONCE MORE!!!!

TAKE THAT, WHITE MALES!!!!


Second trimester aborted fetus.
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I can only hope that if abortion remains legal, one day, the family planning clinics will offer a two-for-one deal.
This is about womens health. Not sticking it to anyone. :ugeek:
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ASUMountaineer wrote:I have obviously never been pregnant, so I'm curious why a woman would be pregnant for 3 months before finally deciding to get an abortion. I honestly don't know the process of pregnancy or anything like that. I am not offering an opinion on this, just wondering why said woman wouldn't decide in the first three months? T-man's picture is a difficult one to look at, what would be the reason for needing second trimester abortions?
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[img]There will always be women who need abortions after 12 weeks of pregnancy. While the specifics may differ, women all over the world have largely the same, often multiple reasons for second trimester abortion. They tend to be quite young women with little awareness of pregnancy symptoms, poor women who need time to raise the money to pay the higher costs of a second trimester abortion, women who do not know where to seek help, those who come up against barriers created by the health system, women who only learn of foetal indications in the second trimester, and women whose personal situations are complicated and whose reasons for seeking abortion are often compelling.

Despite this, women are often treated punitively for what are seen as 'late' abortions. In many countries, legislation prohibits or restricts the grounds for second trimester abortions. But laws that create barriers to obtaining an abortion, though failing to stop women having them, often force women to risk their lives doing so. There will always be women who need abortions after 12 weeks of pregnancy, but the numbers diminish greatly by 20 weeks, and become rare after 24 weeks. It is not the law that makes this happen, but women themselves.

Abortion-related deaths have been declining globally in the past three decades because many more countries now have safe, legal abortion. Abortion methods have become substantially safer and simpler, more providers have been trained, and women with complications are more likely to seek and to receive medical help, even where abortion is still legally restricted.

Second trimester abortions carry relatively more risk and account for a greater proportion of complications than first trimester abortions, even when the procedure used is safe, the provider skilled and the quality of care high. This is because abortion procedures and pregnancy itself are riskier as pregnancy progresses. Nevertheless, even throughout the second trimester, abortion in safe conditions by a skilled provider is very safe.

This issue calls for the need for second trimester abortion to be met in a safe, timely and sympathetic manner. Abortion should be legal at the woman's request up to 24 weeks and on therapeutic grounds after that, and no other barriers or hurdles should be imposed on women seeking second trimester abortion. In-depth, country-based research is needed, to bring out the facts on second trimester abortion, as evidence of why it should be treated as a legitimate form of women's health care and supported in public health policy.

Papers in this supplement cover the law and safety of second trimester abortion; women's and providers' perspectives; policy, politics and values; moving from unsafe to safe service delivery; currently recommended methods; methods that should go out of use; and recommendations for advocacy and action from the ICMA conference.

Titles include:

- Second trimester abortion: women's health and public policy
- A critical appraisal of laws on second trimester abortion
- Who is excluded when abortion access is restricted to twelve weeks? Evidence from Maputo, Mozambique
- Reasons for second trimester abortions in England and Wales
- Termination of pregnancy for fetal abnormality: the perspective of a parent support organisation
- A week in the life of an abortion doctor, Western Cape Province, South Africa
- Second trimester abortion provision: breaking the silence and changing the discourse
- Decision-making after ultrasound diagnosis of fetal abnormality
- Fetal pain: do we know enough to do the right thing?
- The choice of second trimester abortion method: evolution, evidence and ethics

Other articles focus on countries such as Cuba, India, Mongolia, Nepal, the Netherlands, USA and Vietnam.

Reproductive Health Matters is published twice a year, in May and November, in English. There are also editions once a year in other languages, i.e. Arabic, Chinese, French, Hindi, Portuguese, Russian and Spanish. The journal covers laws, policies, research and services that meet women's reproductive health needs. Each issue focuses on a main theme and includes feature papers, topical papers on other subjects and a round-up of information from the published literature.
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Eventually Big Brother will only let White Anglo-Saxon babies with a bran-scan IQ of 150 to be born. Currently it's the mothers choice if the Down-Syndrome babies live, in the future it's the governments choice. Let government determine the rules, and you get a China-like rule where baby girls were murdered for being, well girls. Of course maybe some of the babies with lower IQ's will be born to do the physical labor for the master race. :(
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D1B wrote:
ASUMountaineer wrote:I have obviously never been pregnant, so I'm curious why a woman would be pregnant for 3 months before finally deciding to get an abortion. I honestly don't know the process of pregnancy or anything like that. I am not offering an opinion on this, just wondering why said woman wouldn't decide in the first three months? T-man's picture is a difficult one to look at, what would be the reason for needing second trimester abortions?
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[img]There will always be women who need abortions after 12 weeks of pregnancy. While the specifics may differ, women all over the world have largely the same, often multiple reasons for second trimester abortion. They tend to be quite young women with little awareness of pregnancy symptoms, poor women who need time to raise the money to pay the higher costs of a second trimester abortion, women who do not know where to seek help, those who come up against barriers created by the health system, women who only learn of foetal indications in the second trimester, and women whose personal situations are complicated and whose reasons for seeking abortion are often compelling.

Despite this, women are often treated punitively for what are seen as 'late' abortions. In many countries, legislation prohibits or restricts the grounds for second trimester abortions. But laws that create barriers to obtaining an abortion, though failing to stop women having them, often force women to risk their lives doing so. There will always be women who need abortions after 12 weeks of pregnancy, but the numbers diminish greatly by 20 weeks, and become rare after 24 weeks. It is not the law that makes this happen, but women themselves.

Abortion-related deaths have been declining globally in the past three decades because many more countries now have safe, legal abortion. Abortion methods have become substantially safer and simpler, more providers have been trained, and women with complications are more likely to seek and to receive medical help, even where abortion is still legally restricted.

Second trimester abortions carry relatively more risk and account for a greater proportion of complications than first trimester abortions, even when the procedure used is safe, the provider skilled and the quality of care high. This is because abortion procedures and pregnancy itself are riskier as pregnancy progresses. Nevertheless, even throughout the second trimester, abortion in safe conditions by a skilled provider is very safe.

This issue calls for the need for second trimester abortion to be met in a safe, timely and sympathetic manner. Abortion should be legal at the woman's request up to 24 weeks and on therapeutic grounds after that, and no other barriers or hurdles should be imposed on women seeking second trimester abortion. In-depth, country-based research is needed, to bring out the facts on second trimester abortion, as evidence of why it should be treated as a legitimate form of women's health care and supported in public health policy.

Papers in this supplement cover the law and safety of second trimester abortion; women's and providers' perspectives; policy, politics and values; moving from unsafe to safe service delivery; currently recommended methods; methods that should go out of use; and recommendations for advocacy and action from the ICMA conference.

Titles include:

- Second trimester abortion: women's health and public policy
- A critical appraisal of laws on second trimester abortion
- Who is excluded when abortion access is restricted to twelve weeks? Evidence from Maputo, Mozambique
- Reasons for second trimester abortions in England and Wales
- Termination of pregnancy for fetal abnormality: the perspective of a parent support organisation
- A week in the life of an abortion doctor, Western Cape Province, South Africa
- Second trimester abortion provision: breaking the silence and changing the discourse
- Decision-making after ultrasound diagnosis of fetal abnormality
- Fetal pain: do we know enough to do the right thing?
- The choice of second trimester abortion method: evolution, evidence and ethics

Other articles focus on countries such as Cuba, India, Mongolia, Nepal, the Netherlands, USA and Vietnam.

Reproductive Health Matters is published twice a year, in May and November, in English. There are also editions once a year in other languages, i.e. Arabic, Chinese, French, Hindi, Portuguese, Russian and Spanish. The journal covers laws, policies, research and services that meet women's reproductive health needs. Each issue focuses on a main theme and includes feature papers, topical papers on other subjects and a round-up of information from the published literature.
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So then you agree that ultimately, the mother's life and health, is far more valuable than any possible birth? That would be a bold statement, bold bold statement. I wonder how many influencial people in this world had mothers who died giving birth, or who went through sever health complications. I really just don't think it is that cut and dry.
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D1B wrote:
ASUMountaineer wrote:I have obviously never been pregnant, so I'm curious why a woman would be pregnant for 3 months before finally deciding to get an abortion. I honestly don't know the process of pregnancy or anything like that. I am not offering an opinion on this, just wondering why said woman wouldn't decide in the first three months? T-man's picture is a difficult one to look at, what would be the reason for needing second trimester abortions?
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[img]There will always be women who need abortions after 12 weeks of pregnancy. While the specifics may differ, women all over the world have largely the same, often multiple reasons for second trimester abortion. They tend to be quite young women with little awareness of pregnancy symptoms, poor women who need time to raise the money to pay the higher costs of a second trimester abortion, women who do not know where to seek help, those who come up against barriers created by the health system, women who only learn of foetal indications in the second trimester, and women whose personal situations are complicated and whose reasons for seeking abortion are often compelling.

Despite this, women are often treated punitively for what are seen as 'late' abortions. In many countries, legislation prohibits or restricts the grounds for second trimester abortions. But laws that create barriers to obtaining an abortion, though failing to stop women having them, often force women to risk their lives doing so. There will always be women who need abortions after 12 weeks of pregnancy, but the numbers diminish greatly by 20 weeks, and become rare after 24 weeks. It is not the law that makes this happen, but women themselves.

Abortion-related deaths have been declining globally in the past three decades because many more countries now have safe, legal abortion. Abortion methods have become substantially safer and simpler, more providers have been trained, and women with complications are more likely to seek and to receive medical help, even where abortion is still legally restricted.

Second trimester abortions carry relatively more risk and account for a greater proportion of complications than first trimester abortions, even when the procedure used is safe, the provider skilled and the quality of care high. This is because abortion procedures and pregnancy itself are riskier as pregnancy progresses. Nevertheless, even throughout the second trimester, abortion in safe conditions by a skilled provider is very safe.

This issue calls for the need for second trimester abortion to be met in a safe, timely and sympathetic manner. Abortion should be legal at the woman's request up to 24 weeks and on therapeutic grounds after that, and no other barriers or hurdles should be imposed on women seeking second trimester abortion. In-depth, country-based research is needed, to bring out the facts on second trimester abortion, as evidence of why it should be treated as a legitimate form of women's health care and supported in public health policy.

Papers in this supplement cover the law and safety of second trimester abortion; women's and providers' perspectives; policy, politics and values; moving from unsafe to safe service delivery; currently recommended methods; methods that should go out of use; and recommendations for advocacy and action from the ICMA conference.

Titles include:

- Second trimester abortion: women's health and public policy
- A critical appraisal of laws on second trimester abortion
- Who is excluded when abortion access is restricted to twelve weeks? Evidence from Maputo, Mozambique
- Reasons for second trimester abortions in England and Wales
- Termination of pregnancy for fetal abnormality: the perspective of a parent support organisation
- A week in the life of an abortion doctor, Western Cape Province, South Africa
- Second trimester abortion provision: breaking the silence and changing the discourse
- Decision-making after ultrasound diagnosis of fetal abnormality
- Fetal pain: do we know enough to do the right thing?
- The choice of second trimester abortion method: evolution, evidence and ethics

Other articles focus on countries such as Cuba, India, Mongolia, Nepal, the Netherlands, USA and Vietnam.

Reproductive Health Matters is published twice a year, in May and November, in English. There are also editions once a year in other languages, i.e. Arabic, Chinese, French, Hindi, Portuguese, Russian and Spanish. The journal covers laws, policies, research and services that meet women's reproductive health needs. Each issue focuses on a main theme and includes feature papers, topical papers on other subjects and a round-up of information from the published literature.
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Well, I'm not going to speak for all pro-lifers. But, as one who considers themself pro-life, I am pro the baby's and the woman's life. If at any point, during the pregnancy, the woman's health becomes and issue and aborting the baby will save the woman's life...I think that is a decision for her (and her husband/ family if she desires) to make. I don't think the law should invade into a personal decision such as that. However, using a second trimester abortion as a form of birth control is a totally different issue than the mother's health. Laws, a lot, exist to protect the minority, and many would argue that extends to the unborn child. It's definitely an interesting situation. I think the thing to keep in mind is that it shouldn't be a political issue. Unfortunately, politicians have determined that for us.
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I have a niece who was born in the second trimester. She was 16 weeks premature, and weighed 1 lb, 11 oz. She's now 25.

Guess she should hvae been aborted, huh D?

I'm a supporter of a woman's right to choose, but at some point it DOES become murder.
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D1B wrote:
Second trimester aborted fetus.
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This is about womens health. [/quote]

Right. And the baby in the picture sure won't have to worry about his mommy's health anymore, will she?

I guess the aborted life should just be thankful it had a worry-free life!
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D1B wrote:
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Cuz back in the day, women actually gave birth, then killed the child.
Yeah. And that NEVER happens now. :roll: :roll: :roll:
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D1B wrote: Cuz back in the day, women actually gave birth, then killed the child.
Yeah. And that NEVER happens now. :roll: :roll: :roll:
Of course it does, in china and the middle east. You read about a few here.

My point is Joe is talking bout people that lived 100+ years ago, for the most part. I don't think abortion was even a word then. He's talking bout infanticide which is murder. Apples and oranges. Poor argument.

He's in a tough position. God, jesus nor the bible says anything about abortion cuz that shat was written by ancient and ignorant people. In fact, god was a ruthless bastard and often encouraged murder and the murder of children.

I'm not a fan of abortion as birth control. I do though appreciate the fact that force child bearing enslaves women. If I got pregnant by some fool, I'd rip it out with a Leatherman if I had to. Perspective.

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D1B wrote: If I got pregnant by some fool, I'd rip it out with a Leatherman if I had to. Perspective.
if you willingly laid down with him, wouldn't that also make you a "fool"?

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D1B wrote: If I got pregnant by some fool, I'd rip it out with a Leatherman if I had to. Perspective.
if you willingly laid down with him, wouldn't that also make you a "fool"?

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wideright82 wrote:
D1B wrote: Child bearing subjects some women to slavery. Tman hates women.

[img]There will always be women who need abortions after 12 weeks of pregnancy. While the specifics may differ, women all over the world have largely the same, often multiple reasons for second trimester abortion. They tend to be quite young women with little awareness of pregnancy symptoms, poor women who need time to raise the money to pay the higher costs of a second trimester abortion, women who do not know where to seek help, those who come up against barriers created by the health system, women who only learn of foetal indications in the second trimester, and women whose personal situations are complicated and whose reasons for seeking abortion are often compelling.

Despite this, women are often treated punitively for what are seen as 'late' abortions. In many countries, legislation prohibits or restricts the grounds for second trimester abortions. But laws that create barriers to obtaining an abortion, though failing to stop women having them, often force women to risk their lives doing so. There will always be women who need abortions after 12 weeks of pregnancy, but the numbers diminish greatly by 20 weeks, and become rare after 24 weeks. It is not the law that makes this happen, but women themselves.

Abortion-related deaths have been declining globally in the past three decades because many more countries now have safe, legal abortion. Abortion methods have become substantially safer and simpler, more providers have been trained, and women with complications are more likely to seek and to receive medical help, even where abortion is still legally restricted.

Second trimester abortions carry relatively more risk and account for a greater proportion of complications than first trimester abortions, even when the procedure used is safe, the provider skilled and the quality of care high. This is because abortion procedures and pregnancy itself are riskier as pregnancy progresses. Nevertheless, even throughout the second trimester, abortion in safe conditions by a skilled provider is very safe.

This issue calls for the need for second trimester abortion to be met in a safe, timely and sympathetic manner. Abortion should be legal at the woman's request up to 24 weeks and on therapeutic grounds after that, and no other barriers or hurdles should be imposed on women seeking second trimester abortion. In-depth, country-based research is needed, to bring out the facts on second trimester abortion, as evidence of why it should be treated as a legitimate form of women's health care and supported in public health policy.

Papers in this supplement cover the law and safety of second trimester abortion; women's and providers' perspectives; policy, politics and values; moving from unsafe to safe service delivery; currently recommended methods; methods that should go out of use; and recommendations for advocacy and action from the ICMA conference.

Titles include:

- Second trimester abortion: women's health and public policy
- A critical appraisal of laws on second trimester abortion
- Who is excluded when abortion access is restricted to twelve weeks? Evidence from Maputo, Mozambique
- Reasons for second trimester abortions in England and Wales
- Termination of pregnancy for fetal abnormality: the perspective of a parent support organisation
- A week in the life of an abortion doctor, Western Cape Province, South Africa
- Second trimester abortion provision: breaking the silence and changing the discourse
- Decision-making after ultrasound diagnosis of fetal abnormality
- Fetal pain: do we know enough to do the right thing?
- The choice of second trimester abortion method: evolution, evidence and ethics

Other articles focus on countries such as Cuba, India, Mongolia, Nepal, the Netherlands, USA and Vietnam.

Reproductive Health Matters is published twice a year, in May and November, in English. There are also editions once a year in other languages, i.e. Arabic, Chinese, French, Hindi, Portuguese, Russian and Spanish. The journal covers laws, policies, research and services that meet women's reproductive health needs. Each issue focuses on a main theme and includes feature papers, topical papers on other subjects and a round-up of information from the published literature.
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So then you agree that ultimately, the mother's life and health, is far more valuable than any possible birth? That would be a bold statement, bold bold statement. I wonder how many influencial people in this world had mothers who died giving birth, or who went through sever health complications. I really just don't think it is that cut and dry.
Wide, your logic cuts both ways. How many complete fukcs are out there could have been aborted or prevented with birth control. I bet this is the case for more than your converse.

You're right, it aint cut and dry, very few things are.

It's not bold either. Abortion, right now is legal in this, and many other countries. Majority of people in this nation support a woman's right to choose.
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D1B wrote: If I got pregnant by some fool, I'd rip it out with a Leatherman if I had to. Perspective.
if you willingly laid down with him, wouldn't that also make you a "fool"?

Perspective.
Of course it would. What's your point? So I would have to carry the burden of giving birth to that asshole's kid and giving up 20 years of my life? Parental investment disproportionaltly burdens the female, why the F do you think women are predominantly behind the pro choice movement.
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Re: UW clinic to offer second trimester abortions!!!

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D1B wrote: This is about womens health.
Right. And the baby in the picture sure won't have to worry about his mommy's health anymore, will she?

I guess the aborted life should just be thankful it had a worry-free life!
Oh, if we were only so concerned with all life.....here's some photos of Iraqi children aborted outside of the womb by American bombs....this is alot less tragic though...... :roll:
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D1B wrote:
BigApp wrote: if you willingly laid down with him, wouldn't that also make you a "fool"?

Perspective.
Of course it would. What's your point? So I would have to carry the burden of giving birth to that asshole's kid and giving up 20 years of my life? Parental investment disproportionaltly burdens the female, why the F do you think women are predominantly behind the pro choice movement.
That's the "burden" you are taking on when you willingly let somebody put their penis in your vagina. You learned that in school, didn't you?
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AZGrizFan wrote:
D1B wrote: Of course it would. What's your point? So I would have to carry the burden of giving birth to that asshole's kid and giving up 20 years of my life? Parental investment disproportionaltly burdens the female, why the F do you think women are predominantly behind the pro choice movement.
That's the "burden" you are taking on when you willingly let somebody put their penis in your vagina. You learned that in school, didn't you?
Depends, if my school decided to accept A-O dollars from the federal gubment, then the only thing I learned was to not have sex and I wouldn't get pregnant. They didn't teach me nuthin bout condoms or birth control pills. My preacher never got me pregnant and we did it a thousand times, but he had this thingy covering his thingy.

So I made a mistake and I'm gonna have an abortion.
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D1B wrote:
BigApp wrote: if you willingly laid down with him, wouldn't that also make you a "fool"?

Perspective.
Of course it would. What's your point? So I would have to carry the burden of giving birth to that asshole's kid and giving up 20 years of my life? Parental investment disproportionaltly burdens the female, why the F do you think women are predominantly behind the pro choice movement.

You literally said you don't condone it as a method of birth control 2 posts ago. I was with you until you posted this. Close your legs, simple, if not, consequences. Such is life. People aren't held accountable for their actions enough anymore. Why do you think waiting til your married to have sex is such an effective belief? Obviously, in most cases, that will not happen, so you are playing russian roulette. If that bullet gets off, you're dead either way. I don't really think I'm going to convince you of my views, really just has to do with your contradiction. If you believe abortion is fine, I have no right to tell you otherwise, and the law doesn't either.


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So then you agree that ultimately, the mother's life and health, is far more valuable than any possible birth? That would be a bold statement, bold bold statement. I wonder how many influencial people in this world had mothers who died giving birth, or who went through sever health complications. I really just don't think it is that cut and dry.
Wide, your logic cuts both ways. How many complete fukcs are out there could have been aborted or prevented with birth control. I bet this is the case for more than your converse.

You're right, it aint cut and dry, very few things are.

It's not bold either. Abortion, right now is legal in this, and many other countries. Majority of people in this nation support a woman's right to choose.


Well yeah that was my point. Like I said. I just don't agree with it, because I feel there is a law system that can filter out the bad seeds once they exist. Taking the opportunity away from potential greatness, IMO, is amoral. Again, though, not for the law to decide the value of life. The law doesn't tell me what to invest my money in, I can be as risky as I want (terrible analogy, but you get my point). The risks you are taking as a human, on something as unclear and unpredictable as the future consequenses of abortion, cannot be made into a legal, argument.
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wideright82 wrote:
D1B wrote: Of course it would. What's your point? So I would have to carry the burden of giving birth to that asshole's kid and giving up 20 years of my life? Parental investment disproportionaltly burdens the female, why the F do you think women are predominantly behind the pro choice movement.

You literally said you don't condone it as a method of birth control 2 posts ago. I was with you until you posted this. Close your legs, simple, if not, consequences. Such is life. People aren't held accountable for their actions enough anymore. Why do you think waiting til your married to have sex is such an effective belief? Obviously, in most cases, that will not happen, so you are playing russian roulette. If that bullet gets off, you're dead either way. I don't really think I'm going to convince you of my views, really just has to do with your contradiction. If you believe abortion is fine, I have no right to tell you otherwise, and the law doesn't either.


Sorry you actually said you aren't a fan of it.
I hear you Wide. I guess what I meant is that people should be responsible regarding the implications of sex. Abortion should always be a last resort.

It aint that simple. Condoms fail, women are raped, BC pills fail, children get bad advice, children get no advice, sex is such a strong urge it's folly just to say "close your legs".

The "consequences" predominantly fall on women. That's the issue. That choice they have now that abortion is safe and legal.

If men could get pregnant, abortion would be legal and fully subsidized by the government.
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