Individual CS Poll Ballots-11/1

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Wideright sighting!!!

[Knucklehead]

Seriously silly! I mean, yes they beal LU, but there is no way they should be that high.

Where's your poll? And why is it silly?

RMU has beat a top 15 team and only lost once to a borderline top 25, if anything, the silliness is LU being that high. What has LU done?

You sound like UNHWildcats with that kind of comment.

I don't do a poll because I do not follow every team and do not have the time. AND I wish polls would go away because most people voting in them do not know more than 30% of what they are ranking. The huge swings in these ballots prove that they have more to do with allegiances, perceptions, and a small amout of knowledge than about an actual logical learned ranking that is useful.

[89Hen]

1. Jacksonville St.

[siuham]

Where's your poll? And why is it silly?

RMU has beat a top 15 team and only lost once to a borderline top 25, if anything, the silliness is LU being that high. What has LU done?

You sound like UNHWildcats with that kind of comment.

I don't do a poll because I do not follow every team and do not have the time. AND I wish polls would go away because most people voting in them do not know more than 30% of what they are ranking. The huge swings in these ballots prove that they have more to do with allegiances, perceptions, and a small amout of knowledge than about an actual logical learned ranking that is useful.

Or there are just a ton of teams with such similar resumes it's impossible to 100% prove one team in the 10-25 range is better than another.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

My poll problem is three-fold

First is that my initial poll had some crazy teams. (As did many of yours. The first couple of polls are ALWAYS crazy, and it takes a while to settle out.)

Second, my philosophy is that I generally try to reward teams for wins and drop them for losses. I'm not always consistent with how I do that, though.

Third, I'm myopic for a) Sac, b) Liberty, c) the rest of the Sky (particularly Montana, which has been the class of the conference since I've been aware of it), generally in that order.

Fourth, given the plethora of teams, it's hard to stay abreast of who's really good, kinda good, and cr@p.

I probably should have dropped Sac out weeks ago, but given Problems 3 and 2, I had them so high to begin with that they never completely dropped out.

That's it in a nutshell.

Add your poll to the long list of things your completely wrong about. Sometimes I wonder how much of a laugh whatever you are gets posting some of the bullshit you come up with in that head of yours. Jokes up SH with this poll, or should I say Ursus part II, I'm on to you. The start of the online alter egos. Brilliant scheme you son of a bitch.

Missed ya buddy. Hope all is going well in Pitts.

[CatMom]

Where's your poll? And why is it silly?

RMU has beat a top 15 team and only lost once to a borderline top 25, if anything, the silliness is LU being that high. What has LU done?

You sound like UNHWildcats with that kind of comment.

I don't do a poll because I do not follow every team and do not have the time. AND I wish polls would go away because most people voting in them do not know more than 30% of what they are ranking. The huge swings in these ballots prove that they have more to do with allegiances, perceptions, and a small amout of knowledge than about an actual logical learned ranking that is useful.

I take exception to this broad dissing of voters. Our poll is pretty damn good and I would bet that 95% of us have the same teams in the top 10. Now, if you mean the TSN and/or coaches poll, I can agree there.

[ToTheLeft]

I don't do a poll because I do not follow every team and do not have the time. AND I wish polls would go away because most people voting in them do not know more than 30% of what they are ranking. The huge swings in these ballots prove that they have more to do with allegiances, perceptions, and a small amout of knowledge than about an actual logical learned ranking that is useful.

I take exception to this broad dissing of voters. Our poll is pretty damn good and I would bet that 95% of us have the same teams in the top 10. Now, if you mean the TSN and/or coaches poll, I can agree there.

No, he's just an LU fan who thinks I am the most anti-Liberty Liberty fan ever. The fact that I have a team that beat us ahead of us in the poll is a good enough reason to point out that I just spend my time making LU look bad because we suck.

Do away with polls? Good one. Then what do we go, give Liberty a gold star for winning the Big South and call it a season? You have to have rankings and formulas and computers and committees to have playoffs and national championships. This isn't u10 girls soccer. This is NCAA football.

And you (KH, not CatMom) might not know more than 3, errr, 30% of what you're ranking, but I follow FCS football to the fullest extent of my ability, watching 4-5 games on Saturdays, looking over game recaps, reading fans perspectives from both sides, and researching stats and other information on a weekly basis.

And I love how your response had nothing to do with the actual question, so you ignored and changed the topic to insult the whole voting base. Why should Liberty be ahead of RMU? Please, tell me. Why is it silly for them to be that high?

You'll never be able to give an answer other than "CHRIS SUMMERS MIKE BROWN DANNY ROCCO" because there's nothing else we've done. We've done nothing this year but beat BSU and I probably have us overrated by a few spots if anything.

For not liking when I tell you you're wrong, and crying that I attack you, you sure did go out of your way to find my post here and call it "silly" while giving no reason behind your post. Remember that the next time you throw a tantrum because our coaching staff does something stupid or we come out flat and lose a game we shouldn't, and people blame Rocco and Clark for it.

[Knucklehead]

You'll never be able to give an answer other than "CHRIS SUMMERS MIKE BROWN DANNY ROCCO" because there's nothing else we've done. We've done nothing this year but beat BSU and I probably have us overrated by a few spots if anything.

Then why have Liberty ranked at all?

Look, I was simply pointing out that most voters barely (if at all) have RMU in their top 25 and yet you think they should be ahead because they beat LU. Seems like a narrow criteria rather than basing a ranking on the team's overall body of work. RMU caught LU Flatfooted and won, yes, but most close observers would agree with me that LU is a better team than RMU. Thankfully, that may be proven in the playoffs.

I was not trying to go personal as you did, just stating that the inverted ranking was a bit silly. My Bad.

But. . .I do admire your Fire!

[ToTheLeft]

You'll never be able to give an answer other than "CHRIS SUMMERS MIKE BROWN DANNY ROCCO" because there's nothing else we've done. We've done nothing this year but beat BSU and I probably have us overrated by a few spots if anything.

Then why have Liberty ranked at all?

Look, I was simply pointing out that most voters barely (if at all) have RMU in their top 25 and yet you think they should be ahead because they beat LU. Seems like a narrow criteria rather than basing a ranking on the team's overall body of work. RMU caught LU Flatfooted and won, yes, but most close observers would agree with me that LU is a better team than RMU. Thankfully, that may be proven in the playoffs.

I was not trying to go personal as you did, just stating that the inverted ranking was a bit silly. My Bad.

But. . .I do admire your Fire!

1. RMU has a better record.
2. RMU plays and is undefeated in a better conference.
3. RMU has a better win.
4. RMU's loss is only slightly worse.

1. LU has a worse record.
2. LU plays and is undefeated in a worse conference.
3. LU has no wins of any significance.
4. LU's losses are better, but there are two of them.

There's nothing about LU's body of work that's better than RMU's. Not a single detail.

[clenz]

To be completely honest...at least IMO...the only reason Liberty is as high as they are to begin with is the Shitty South Conference finally got an autobid.

Liberty in a non-AQ conference barely cracks the top 25 of most polls.

[bjtheflamesfan]

Id debate that the NEC is a better conference (unless that is being based on GPI). I pulled up the NEC composite schedule for this year and I see some pretty painful scores:

Liberty 52 St Fran (PA) 7
New Hampshire 33 Central Connecticut State 3
Stephen F. Austin 59 Albany 14
Youngstown State 63 Central Connecticut State 24
Delaware 30 Duquesne 6


On the Big South side I see some pretty scary scores too (just to show that both sides have much yet to do):

Wake Forest 53 PC 13
William and Mary 45 VMI 0
Georgia Southern 43 CCU 26
Western Carolina 28 Gardner-Webb 14
North Greenville 34 PC 17
Sam Houston State 30 Gardner-Webb 14


Robert Morris certainly deserves merit having beaten Liberty but I dont think that LU necessarily needs to be flushed down the toilet (as TTL seems to have done) necessarily. Ive largely kept LU in the 14-20 range as well as RMU. Im not totally ready to anoint either as a top 10 team just yet but Im not gonna throw them under the bus either.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Robert Morris certainly deserves merit having beaten Liberty but I dont think that LU necessarily needs to be flushed down the toilet (as TTL seems to have done) necessarily. Ive largely kept LU in the 14-20 range as well as RMU. Im not totally ready to anoint either as a top 10 team just yet but Im not gonna throw them under the bus either.

TTL has RMU @ 11 & LU at 12. How is he flushing anybody down the toilet? I don't get what the fuck some of you read when I'm reading the exact same post? He was debating "why" he had RMU over LU and it then went more in depth as he posted his reasons.

Somehow you took that as flushing down the toilet? Really? Having a fairly untested team at 12 seems to be a product of what is going around the country this year and has given both RMU and LU a chance to take advantage of the slippery nature of the field this year.

He is dead on with his assessment that there is no compelling reason to have LU above RMU at this point.

[kuntryboimike]

I don't like it but yes RMU should be at least 1 spot ahead of LU. No matter the reasons, the W-L is what counts. I agree with TTL and Ursus. I really do hope we host RMU in the 1st round

[bjtheflamesfan]

There is no compelling reason...but he makes it sound like RMU (and the NEC) is light years ahead of Liberty (and the Big SOuth) and I dont think that the disparity is THAT great

[ToTheLeft]

There is no compelling reason...but he makes it sound like RMU (and the NEC) is light years ahead of Liberty (and the Big SOuth) and I dont think that the disparity is THAT great

You're greatly exaggerating my point. There is a middle ground between "LU is better than RMU" and "LU sucks" and that middle ground is where LU is. We still have a win over an FBS and blowouts over crappy teams, and our only losses are road losses by a touchdown to ranked teams. That's just not better than RMU's resume right now. and the NEC is a lot better than the Big South right now.

CCSU's OOC is weak, but so is Stony Brook's. SBU's is probably weaker considering who they played.

Duquense did lose to Delaware, who I'm pretty sure is doing pretty well... but they also beat Dayton, who is a borderline top 25.

Robert Morris beat LU, which is a better win than anyone in the Big South has. Same with Albany's win over Maine, probably better than any Big South win so far.

When in doubt, consult an "unbiased" source...

GPI conference rankings:

1. Colonial Athletic Association (22.100)
2. Missouri Valley Football Conference (28.078)
3. Big Sky Conference (28.391)
4. Southern Conference (30.028)
5. Great West Conference (36.375)
6. Southland Conference (41.028)
7. Ohio Valley Conference (44.264)
8. Northeast Conference (52.117)
9. Ivy League (57.406)
10. Southwestern Athletic Conference (61.050)
11. Big South Conference (61.857)
12. Patriot League (64.161)
13. Independents (65.3125)
14. Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference (67.292)
15. Pioneer Football League (68.738)

[bjtheflamesfan]

If you look at RMU's schedule they have only one game vs a ranked team (which of course happens to be the win over Liberty) and the only other non-conference game is against Dayton (who they lost to) who as you noted was beaten by Duquesne (who of course Robert Morris crushed this past weekend...I watched the game...it was not close...) but is fighting for the top in the lowest rated conference according to GPI (which you brought in as our "unbiased source"). If anything the only "compelling reason" to have RMU above LU (besides the fact that they have one fewer loss) is the fact that they beat LU but head to head should only logically take you so far.

[siuham]

It takes you far enough. Both teams play in poor conferences. Both teams lost out of conference games. Both are undefeated in their poor conferences. The only thing to suggest one is better than the other is the fact that one of them beat the other.

This shit is hard.

...

[ToTheLeft]

Okay, state why LU's body of work is so much better then to overcome the H2H loss.

[bjtheflamesfan]

The game that probably hurts LU's schedule more than anything is JMU. at the time LU played up in Harrisonburg (and I ended up taking a trip to the hospital and missing the game), the Dukes were a top 10 team. They had just beaten Virginia Tech. LU lost that game, but what made it look worse is the fact that the Dukes have lost four of five since. RMU's loss is to a team that though they are 8-1, is from the (as I noted before) lowest rated conference in FCS, who then lost to the same team that RMU mowed over just this past weekend. Now, if Liberty had beaten JMU earlier this year (and I have heard the old cliche "If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas"), I think that LU would still be ranked above RMU even despite the head to head result.

[89Hen]

This is all pretty funny. LU and RMU debate... do they not realize they actually have a place at the table this year and that NONE of this matters? It will all be decided on the field!

[bjtheflamesfan]

Oh we know full well we have a place this year chicken man...although if RMU and LU played in the playoffs this year it wouldnt be in front of a capacity crowd at Williams Stadium like it will be next year

[Knucklehead]

This is all pretty funny. LU and RMU debate... do they not realize they actually have a place at the table this year and that NONE of this matters? It will all be decided on the field!

True DAT! I just thought TTL was trying to make a point. Not trying to start ALL THIS!

[ToTheLeft]

This is all pretty funny. LU and RMU debate... do they not realize they actually have a place at the table this year and that NONE of this matters? It will all be decided on the field!

True DAT! I just thought TTL was trying to make a point. Not trying to start ALL THIS!

I'm not the one who made baseless insults on someone else's poll.

Blame me all you want if that helps you sleep at night. It's much easier then actually defending yourself, huh?

[ToTheLeft]

The game that probably hurts LU's schedule more than anything is JMU. at the time LU played up in Harrisonburg (and I ended up taking a trip to the hospital and missing the game), the Dukes were a top 10 team. They had just beaten Virginia Tech. LU lost that game, but what made it look worse is the fact that the Dukes have lost four of five since. RMU's loss is to a team that though they are 8-1, is from the (as I noted before) lowest rated conference in FCS, who then lost to the same team that RMU mowed over just this past weekend. Now, if Liberty had beaten JMU earlier this year (and I have heard the old cliche "If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas"), I think that LU would still be ranked above RMU even despite the head to head result.

So because LU scored 3 points and lost to JMU, they should be ahead of a team that beat them and who's resume is very similar?

Every time RMU wins in conference, that win is better than LU's conference wins. The Albany win is better than any LU win this season, a CCSU win would be the same. And because JMU "was" top 10 means nada. Montana WAS top 5 in many polls, but that doesn't mean a thing now.

Losing on the road to JMU is not a good enough reason to move ahead of someone who beat you and has a similar resume.

[ToTheLeft]

This is all pretty funny. LU and RMU debate... do they not realize they actually have a place at the table this year and that NONE of this matters? It will all be decided on the field!

And even funnier is that, if things shake out with Wofford and WM getting first round byes, RMU and LU are likely going to play again, this time in Lynchburg, in the playoffs.