Did Obama Intentionally Lie?

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Did Obama lie when he claimed that shovel-ready projects were included in his Porkulus bill in 2009?

Yes, he lied.
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Re: Did Obama Intentionally Lie?

Post by Ursus A. Horribilis »

native wrote:Why are you guys cutting Obama a break on this issue? :roll:

Even the New York Times called him on it:

"Even before President Obama entered the White House, he and his allies successfully used the allure of “shovel ready” infrastructure projects to help sell his $787 billion stimulus legislation to a resistant Congress and a wary public. ... "

But in his New York Times interview published last week, the President admitted that "...there’s really nothing — there’s no such thing as shovel-ready projects.” ...

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010 ... -so-ready/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Sorry man, I didn't intend to cut him a break on it. I went back and looked at what I wrote and it should have said "how could he not have NOT have known."


I was not cutting him a break. I hoped he would be a forthright guy. My hope for that was dashed fairly quickly. He's a lying fuck.
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Re: Did Obama Intentionally Lie?

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As a matter of semantics, I think the verb "lie" connotes intent. :ugeek:

But I have a "shovel ready" compost heap near my garden!
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Re: Did Obama Intentionally Lie?

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Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:
native wrote:Why are you guys cutting Obama a break on this issue? :roll:

Even the New York Times called him on it:

"Even before President Obama entered the White House, he and his allies successfully used the allure of “shovel ready” infrastructure projects to help sell his $787 billion stimulus legislation to a resistant Congress and a wary public. ... "

But in his New York Times interview published last week, the President admitted that "...there’s really nothing — there’s no such thing as shovel-ready projects.” ...

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010 ... -so-ready/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Sorry man, I didn't intend to cut him a break on it. I went back and looked at what I wrote and it should have said "how could he not have NOT have known."


I was not cutting him a break. I hoped he would be a forthright guy. My hope for that was dashed fairly quickly. He's a lying fuck.

No. The dude is forthright. He's the most honest guy we've had in the White House since Gerald Ford. Don't confuse the aggressive agenda with criminal acitivity, girls. He's young and he's learning and will do just fine.


He's cleaning up gigantic Conk messes and he's overwhlemed with such a Herculean task. What Cheney and Reagan and W hath wrought will take decades to correct.
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Re: Did Obama Intentionally Lie?

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Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:
native wrote:Why are you guys cutting Obama a break on this issue? :roll:

Even the New York Times called him on it:

"Even before President Obama entered the White House, he and his allies successfully used the allure of “shovel ready” infrastructure projects to help sell his $787 billion stimulus legislation to a resistant Congress and a wary public. ... "

But in his New York Times interview published last week, the President admitted that "...there’s really nothing — there’s no such thing as shovel-ready projects.” ...

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010 ... -so-ready/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Sorry man, I didn't intend to cut him a break on it. I went back and looked at what I wrote and it should have said "how could he not have NOT have known."


I was not cutting him a break. I hoped he would be a forthright guy. My hope for that was dashed fairly quickly. He's a lying fuck / typical politician.
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Re: Did Obama Intentionally Lie?

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Cap'n Cat wrote:
Ursus A. Horribilis wrote: Sorry man, I didn't intend to cut him a break on it. I went back and looked at what I wrote and it should have said "how could he not have NOT have known."


I was not cutting him a break. I hoped he would be a forthright guy. My hope for that was dashed fairly quickly. He's a lying fuck.

No. The dude is forthright. He's the most honest guy we've had in the White House since Gerald Ford. Don't confuse the aggressive agenda with criminal acitivity, girls. He's young and he's learning and will do just fine.


He's cleaning up gigantic Conk messes and he's overwhlemed with such a Herculean task. What Cheney and Reagan and W hath wrought will take decades to correct.
Sure Cap'n. You're saying I should just walk down the midway and let the Carny have his way. Got it.
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Re: Did Obama Intentionally Lie?

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Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:

No. The dude is forthright. He's the most honest guy we've had in the White House since Gerald Ford. Don't confuse the aggressive agenda with criminal acitivity, girls. He's young and he's learning and will do just fine.


He's cleaning up gigantic Conk messes and he's overwhlemed with such a Herculean task. What Cheney and Reagan and W hath wrought will take decades to correct.
Sure Cap'n. You're saying I should just walk down the midway and let the Carny have his way. Got it.


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Re: Did Obama Intentionally Lie?

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Cap'n Cat wrote:
Ursus A. Horribilis wrote: Sure Cap'n. You're saying I should just walk down the midway and let the Carny have his way. Got it.


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Re: Did Obama Intentionally Lie?

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native wrote:Do you think Obama intentionally lied in 2009 when he bragged about the "shovel-ready" projects in the Porkulus bill he was promoting?
You're Fu8king kidding right? You have to be a complete imbecile to think a politician doesn't lie no matter who you're favorite is. They all lie, period.
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Re: Did Obama Intentionally Lie?

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polsongrizz wrote:
native wrote:Do you think Obama intentionally lied in 2009 when he bragged about the "shovel-ready" projects in the Porkulus bill he was promoting?
You're **** kidding right? You have to be a complete imbecile to think a politician doesn't lie no matter who you're favorite is. They all lie, period.
:lol: :lol: :lol: I detest most politicians, and I DO think Obama intentionally lied about the shovel-ready bullsh!t, polsongrizz. :thumb:

But I honestly don't think they all lie all the time, not even Obama. ;) I actually think Obama means well. I just happen to detest his policies and think he is as wrong as wrong can possibly be.

I might be an imbecile, though. :? :lol:
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Re: Did Obama Intentionally Lie?

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native wrote:
polsongrizz wrote: You're **** kidding right? You have to be a complete imbecile to think a politician doesn't lie no matter who you're favorite is. They all lie, period.
:lol: :lol: :lol: I detest most politicians, and I DO think Obama intentionally lied about the shovel-ready bullsh!t, polsongrizz. :thumb:

But I honestly don't think they all lie all the time, not even Obama. ;) I actually think Obama means well. I just happen to detest his policies and think he is as wrong as wrong can possibly be.

I might be an imbecile, though. :? :lol:

You are, believe us.

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Re: Did Obama Intentionally Lie?

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Cap'n Cat wrote:
native wrote:
:lol: :lol: :lol: I detest most politicians, and I DO think Obama intentionally lied about the shovel-ready bullsh!t, polsongrizz. :thumb:

But I honestly don't think they all lie all the time, not even Obama. ;) I actually think Obama means well. I just happen to detest his policies and think he is as wrong as wrong can possibly be.

I might be an imbecile, though. :? :lol:

You are, believe us.

Other than that, you're a Conk Hater. You hate everything not Conky. Biased big mouth Klansman fvck.
No beer for you Cap. :ohno:
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native wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:

You are, believe us.

Other than that, you're a Conk Hater. You hate everything not Conky. Biased big mouth Klansman fvck.
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Re: Did Obama Intentionally Lie?

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A politician lie? Say it isn't so. :roll:
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Re: Did Obama Intentionally Lie?

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BlueHen86 wrote:A politician lie? Say it isn't so. :roll:

Man, you guys are some generalizin' mofos. Fact is, a huge majority of politicians are honest people looking out for the best interests of their constituents and the country. Come on, men.
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Re: Did Obama Intentionally Lie?

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Cap'n Cat wrote:
BlueHen86 wrote:A politician lie? Say it isn't so. :roll:

Man, you guys are some generalizin' mofos. Fact is, a huge majority of politicians are honest people looking out for the best interests of their constituents and the country. Come on, men.
But that's only the Dem side right? Got it.
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Re: Did Obama Intentionally Lie?

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Cap'n Cat wrote:
BlueHen86 wrote:A politician lie? Say it isn't so. :roll:

Man, you guys are some generalizin' mofos. Fact is, a huge majority of politicians are honest people looking out for the best interests of their constituents and the country. Come on, men.
Honest is a relative term. I think I am a fairly honest person, but I have lied on occasion. I suspect that most politicians have lied.

In this case I think Obama's lie is minor. It's not like the shovels started digging us into a hole that we can't get out of, like Iraq.
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Cap'n Cat wrote:
BlueHen86 wrote:A politician lie? Say it isn't so. :roll:

Man, you guys are some generalizin' mofos. Fact is, a huge majority of politicians are honest people looking out for the best interests of their constituents and the country. Come on, men.
I would agree to a point. But then they learn of the power they have and then they see the money available to them that allows them to enhance that power. At that point all bets are off and honesty is the first victim.
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Cap'n Cat wrote:
BlueHen86 wrote:A politician lie? Say it isn't so. :roll:

Man, you guys are some generalizin' mofos. Fact is, a huge majority of politicians are honest people looking out for the best interests of their constituents and the country. Come on, men.
Man, you are a naive mofo. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Did Obama Intentionally Lie?

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