Will the CAA break up by 2011?

[travelinman67]

So what is going to happen, good colonel?

They'll become two conferences, each with two good teams. Just like every other meaningful conference in America.

Montana/Weber
UNI/SIU
ASU/Wofford
Cal Poly/UCD
JMU/Richmond
UMass/UNH

Oh, every year, some other pretender will surface, then sink back down (EWU, ISU, Elon, UD, W&M, etc)....but the big 12 will remain.

With two Auto Bids, and four At Large Bids, being scheduled on opposite sides of the bracket, in effect virtually eliminates all other teams. Nice.

[Col Hogan]

Well why not just make everything simple and do this. The Big South Conference and the Northeast Conference are going to start getting autobids into the playoffs correct? So why not split the football only schools in the CAA into those conferences? Like add URI and UMASS into the Big South and put UNH and Maine into the Northeast? Geographically that wouldnt be to bad.

Did you ever take a geography lesson...ever...

URI and UMass into the Big South...will happen when hell freezes over...that would exponentially increase travel costs for everyone involve...

Ya see, we have plenty of FCS schools here...we don't have to do outragous travel to get games...so why would anyteam willingly take on that burden...(Stony Brook was hard-up...I know)

[wideright82]

Well why not just make everything simple and do this. The Big South Conference and the Northeast Conference are going to start getting autobids into the playoffs correct? So why not split the football only schools in the CAA into those conferences? Like add URI and UMASS into the Big South and put UNH and Maine into the Northeast? Geographically that wouldnt be to bad.

Did you ever take a geography lesson...ever...

URI and UMass into the Big South...will happen when hell freezes over...that would exponentially increase travel costs for everyone involve...

Ya see, we have plenty of FCS schools here...we don't have to do outragous travel to get games...so why would anyteam willingly take on that burden...(Stony Brook was hard-up...I know)

Well I think when he meant simple, he meant rubix cube simple. As in we all know HOW to do it, just spin around those colors, but when actually done in real life, not in our heads, it makes less sense. It becomes a lot like moving two teams from one conference into another conference, and two other teams from the same conference to another in the south, even though they are in the north. Then we have 2 more teams in that conference that have nowhere to go, maybe patriot? You know, just like getting all those damn yellows to match up.







just breaking your balls SUU

[Col Hogan]

Did you ever take a geography lesson...ever...

URI and UMass into the Big South...will happen when hell freezes over...that would exponentially increase travel costs for everyone involve...

Ya see, we have plenty of FCS schools here...we don't have to do outragous travel to get games...so why would anyteam willingly take on that burden...(Stony Brook was hard-up...I know)

Well I think when he meant simple, he meant rubix cube simple. As in we all know HOW to do it, just spin around those colors, but when actually done in real life, not in our heads, it makes less sense. It becomes a lot like moving two teams from one conference into another conference, and two other teams from the same conference to another in the south, even though they are in the north. Then we have 2 more teams in that conference that have nowhere to go, maybe patriot? You know, just like getting all those damn yellows to match up.







just breaking your balls SUU

I probably shoudn't complain...since I'm from the south...






SOUTHERN MASSACHUSETTS...

[wideright82]

Well I think when he meant simple, he meant rubix cube simple. As in we all know HOW to do it, just spin around those colors, but when actually done in real life, not in our heads, it makes less sense. It becomes a lot like moving two teams from one conference into another conference, and two other teams from the same conference to another in the south, even though they are in the north. Then we have 2 more teams in that conference that have nowhere to go, maybe patriot? You know, just like getting all those damn yellows to match up.







just breaking your balls SUU

I probably shoudn't complain...since I'm from the south...






SOUTHERN MASSACHUSETTS...

[happyappy99]

That's always an interesting question...because academically, Villanova is closer to Richmond and William and Mary than the other publics...they have a strong (albeit nasty) relationship with Delaware in football...

They could be part of the "new" conference...or a third conference might form when the CAA breaks up...involving teams from other conferences (SOCON, for example)...

I think there will be lots of movement between 2010 and 2012 in the FCS, especially along the east coast...

We'll give you citadel.....and western....

Oh, I thought they were looking for football schools...

[happyappy99]

Charlotte will be ready to add into the mix in 2059 or sometime like that.

[UNI88]

They'll become two conferences, each with two good teams. Just like every other meaningful conference in America.

Montana/Weber
UNI/SIU
ASU/Wofford
Cal Poly/UCD
JMU/Richmond
UMass/UNH

Oh, every year, some other pretender will surface, then sink back down (EWU, ISU, Elon, UD, W&M, etc)....but the big 12 will remain.

The two good teams seems to be a cyclical phenomenon. The Valley/Gateway has had 3-4 good teams (UNI, SIU, YSU & WKU) in a number of years and the addition of SDSU & NDSU make that a likely occurance in the future. The SoCon used to be considered the big 3 (GSU, FU & ASU) and might move back to that in the future (but with opportunities for different teams).

The drop off of the 3rd and 4th place teams from other "power" conferences created the vacuum for the CAA to get 5 bids to the playoffs.

I'm no expert but it seems like the Big Sky has been Montana and a to-be-named team (Weber, MSU, EWU, NAU, PSU, etc.) in the playoffs for a long time. Hopefully, Weber is going to be a regular playooff contender, that will be good for the Big Sky and FCS.

[AZGrizFan]

They'll become two conferences, each with two good teams. Just like every other meaningful conference in America.

Montana/Weber
UNI/SIU
ASU/Wofford
Cal Poly/UCD
JMU/Richmond
UMass/UNH

Oh, every year, some other pretender will surface, then sink back down (EWU, ISU, Elon, UD, W&M, etc)....but the big 12 will remain.

The two good teams seems to be a cyclical phenomenon. The Valley/Gateway has had 3-4 good teams (UNI, SIU, YSU & WKU) in a number of years and the addition of SDSU & NDSU make that a likely occurance in the future. The SoCon used to be considered the big 3 (GSU, FU & ASU) and might move back to that in the future (but with opportunities for different teams).

The drop off of the 3rd and 4th place teams from other "power" conferences created the vacuum for the CAA to get 5 bids to the playoffs.

I'm no expert but it seems like the Big Sky has been Montana and a to-be-named team (Weber, MSU, EWU, NAU, PSU, etc.) in the playoffs for a long time. Hopefully, Weber is going to be a regular playooff contender, that will be good for the Big Sky and FCS.

Precisely my point. Conferences USED to be 3 teams deep. Not any more. Yeah, the second place team might change periodically, and in some conferences (albeit not BSC or Southern) even the first place team changes ocassionally....but there's rarely more than two that are competitive. CAA will ultimately be two conferences and they'll be in the same boat as every other FCS conference in America. Each will have two top tier teams, 3-4 middlin' teams, and 2-3 reeeeallllly shitty teams.

[Col Hogan]

I won't disagree with that, AZ

[UNI88]

Precisely my point. Conferences USED to be 3 teams deep. Not any more. Yeah, the second place team might change periodically, and in some conferences (albeit not BSC or Southern) even the first place team changes ocassionally....but there's rarely more than two that are competitive. CAA will ultimately be two conferences and they'll be in the same boat as every other FCS conference in America. Each will have two top tier teams, 3-4 middlin' teams, and 2-3 reeeeallllly shitty teams.

While this is true currently I'm not sure if things will stay this way. There is nothing to say that SDSU or NDSU won't be successful in the Valley or that YSU won't return to prominence. Elon is making strides in the SoCon and I for one expect Furman and GSU to return to prominence. Whose to say that the Southland teams won't bounce back into the top 10. The dominance by a handful of teams might be the exception rather than the rule.

I expect that in any given year the Valley will have 2-4 good teams (typically from among UNI, SIU, SDSU, NDSU & YSU), 3-5 middlin' teams (typically from among Ill St, MO St, WIU and the top tier teams in a down year), and 2-3 shitty teams (In St and whoever is having a really bad year).

[AZGrizFan]

Precisely my point. Conferences USED to be 3 teams deep. Not any more. Yeah, the second place team might change periodically, and in some conferences (albeit not BSC or Southern) even the first place team changes ocassionally....but there's rarely more than two that are competitive. CAA will ultimately be two conferences and they'll be in the same boat as every other FCS conference in America. Each will have two top tier teams, 3-4 middlin' teams, and 2-3 reeeeallllly shitty teams.

While this is true currently I'm not sure if things will stay this way. There is nothing to say that SDSU or NDSU won't be successful in the Valley or that YSU won't return to prominence. Elon is making strides in the SoCon and I for one expect Furman and GSU to return to prominence. Whose to say that the Southland teams won't bounce back into the top 10. The dominance by a handful of teams might be the exception rather than the rule.

I expect that in any given year the Valley will have 2-4 good teams (typically from among UNI, SIU, SDSU, NDSU & YSU), 3-5 middlin' teams (typically from among Ill St, MO St, WIU and the top tier teams in a down year), and 2-3 shitty teams (In St and whoever is having a really bad year).

There will always be the odd year where a conference gets three teams into the playoffs. But (with the exception of CAA) that's the major exception rather than the rule. Always has been, always will be. And when the CAA DOES split, it'll be the major exception for them too.

2 BSC
2 MVC
2 SoCon
2 CAA North
2 CAA South
Patriot
MEAC
GWFC
OVC
Southland

and that leaves +1 from one of these conferences. THAT is the playoffs, year in and year out. Until the Pioneer and NEC conferences step up their OOC schedules and WIN, they won't be considered for that +1. That +1 has come from the currently configured CAA the past two years, but that may not be the case if/when the conference splits and they have to play all teams in their conference every year.

[wideright82]

While this is true currently I'm not sure if things will stay this way. There is nothing to say that SDSU or NDSU won't be successful in the Valley or that YSU won't return to prominence. Elon is making strides in the SoCon and I for one expect Furman and GSU to return to prominence. Whose to say that the Southland teams won't bounce back into the top 10. The dominance by a handful of teams might be the exception rather than the rule.

I expect that in any given year the Valley will have 2-4 good teams (typically from among UNI, SIU, SDSU, NDSU & YSU), 3-5 middlin' teams (typically from among Ill St, MO St, WIU and the top tier teams in a down year), and 2-3 shitty teams (In St and whoever is having a really bad year).

There will always be the odd year where a conference gets three teams into the playoffs. But (with the exception of CAA) that's the major exception rather than the rule. Always has been, always will be. And when the CAA DOES split, it'll be the major exception for them too.

2 BSC
2 MVC
2 SoCon
2 CAA North
2 CAA South
Patriot
MEAC
GWFC
OVC
Southland

and that leaves +1 from one of these conferences. THAT is the playoffs, year in and year out. Until the Pioneer and NEC conferences step up their OOC schedules and WIN, they won't be considered for that +1. That +1 has come from the currently configured CAA the past two years, but that may not be the case if/when the conference splits and they have to play all teams in their conference every year.

If/When we split, it will be the exact same as now, we will play all of the teams in North for the North, and all the teams from the South for the South (the crossing over won't happen, and instead of an in conference match it will count as a quality out of conference). I don't think that argument holds any water, but I can see where it comes from. The difference will be, when the playoffs are expanded, does the CAA (if split) get 2 AQ, and do we lose one of the at larges.



Disclaimer: I will root for CAA brethren, if I have to, but after some recent thinking, i have been a little too CAA. For instance, I will NEVER root for a AL east team in the playoffs (yankee fan), I will NEVER root for a NFC east team in the playoffs (Cowboys), and I sure as shit won't EVER root for Delaware. However, I will root for a CAA north team, probably not a South team though. Sour Grapes? Maybe, but they would be the reason my team is not in the playoffs, so they can go fu(k themselves come playoff time.

[AZGrizFan]

If/When we split, it will be the exact same as now, we will play all of the teams in North for the North, and all the teams from the South for the South (the crossing over won't happen, and instead of an in conference match it will count as a quality out of conference). I don't think that argument holds any water, but I can see where it comes from. The difference will be, when the playoffs are expanded, does the CAA (if split) get 2 AQ, and do we lose one of the at larges.

The split will only happen when CAA expands (as planned) to 14 teams. Then, do NE and RI still count as
"quality OOC" for JMU?

[wideright82]

If/When we split, it will be the exact same as now, we will play all of the teams in North for the North, and all the teams from the South for the South (the crossing over won't happen, and instead of an in conference match it will count as a quality out of conference). I don't think that argument holds any water, but I can see where it comes from. The difference will be, when the playoffs are expanded, does the CAA (if split) get 2 AQ, and do we lose one of the at larges.

The split will only happen when CAA expands (as planned) to 14 teams. Then, do NE and RI still count as
"quality OOC" for JMU?

Do they count as a quality IN conference now?

[AZGrizFan]

The split will only happen when CAA expands (as planned) to 14 teams. Then, do NE and RI still count as
"quality OOC" for JMU?

Do they count as a quality IN conference now?

Come on....if JMU doesn't HAVE to play New Hampshire & UMass every other year (as under the current rotation), they sure as hell aren't going to voluteer to do it! They're gonna call Hofstra, RI, and NE! Of course, right after they've called every Patriot League team, MEAC team, NEC team and Big South team to see if THEY want to schedule JMU.

[CatMom]

Disclaimer: I will root for CAA brethren, if I have to, but after some recent thinking, i have been a little too CAA. For instance, I will NEVER root for a AL east team in the playoffs (yankee fan), I will NEVER root for a NFC east team in the playoffs (Cowboys), and I sure as shit won't EVER root for Delaware. However, I will root for a CAA north team, probably not a South team though. Sour Grapes? Maybe, but they would be the reason my team is not in the playoffs, so they can go fu(k themselves come playoff time.

Guess you'll be rooting for Minnesota this week?

[wideright82]

Disclaimer: I will root for CAA brethren, if I have to, but after some recent thinking, i have been a little too CAA. For instance, I will NEVER root for a AL east team in the playoffs (yankee fan), I will NEVER root for a NFC east team in the playoffs (Cowboys), and I sure as shit won't EVER root for Delaware. However, I will root for a CAA north team, probably not a South team though. Sour Grapes? Maybe, but they would be the reason my team is not in the playoffs, so they can go fu(k themselves come playoff time.

Guess you'll be rooting for Minnesota this week?

Actually it is more an avid rooting AGAINST the eagles, not so much FOR the Vikings. Nothing to do with sour grapes after the most recent and playoff hope ending ass whoopin. I root against the Eagles, Giants, and Skins every game they play. Unless they play each other. Then I hope for a tie, so no one is happy.

[pantherrob82]

The CAA always ruins everything.

[Cap'n Cat]

The CAA always ruins everything.

Piss on them.

Where TF have you been? If I had one more vote for Most Humorous Poster, I wouldn't have tied with Ursus, you prick!

[pantherrob82]

I would've voted for Ursus. I don't have a f***in clue where i've been. Last thing I remember was drinking with You and D1B on main street.

[UNI88]

I've appreciated the Colonel's and WR82's perspective on this but how about something from the CAA South. Any Hen fans want to share their opinion (we know you have at least one )?

[wideright82]

I've appreciated the Colonel's and WR82's perspective on this but how about something from the CAA South. Any Hen fans want to share their opinion (we know you have at least one )?

I am CAA South! Unless this move to the North happened while I wasn't looking. I need to advertise this Villanova thing better.

[UNI88]

I've appreciated the Colonel's and WR82's perspective on this but how about something from the CAA South. Any Hen fans want to share their opinion (we know you have at least one )?

I am CAA South! Unless this move to the North happened while I wasn't looking. I need to advertise this Villanova thing better.

Sorry about that! Keep thinking that the Mason Dixon line separates the north from the south but forgot to ordinary boundaries and the laws of physics don't apply to the CAA.

What I was really looking for was the perspective of someone with ties to a school that is an all-sport member of the CAA and I believe most of those are in the South.

[wideright82]

I am CAA South! Unless this move to the North happened while I wasn't looking. I need to advertise this Villanova thing better.

Sorry about that! Keep thinking that the Mason Dixon line separates the north from the south but forgot to ordinary boundaries and the laws of physics don't apply to the CAA.

What I was really looking for was the perspective of someone with ties to a school that is an all-sport member of the CAA and I believe most of those are in the South.

Exactlyyyy.


Yeah I wouldn't mind hearing some of those perspectives also. Paging 86, you're needed on the floor. Paging BH86.