Obama Nails One More Cheney/Bush Mess - More To Do

[OSBF]

This whole thing is incredibly predictable. There will be all-out civil war in Iraq by next summer and they'll be pleading with us to bring back more troops. Bush's unprovoked destabilization of that country was a grave, grave error that we'll be paying for for decades.

and if we don't get back involved, Iraq REALLY WILL be a fertile training and staging ground for radical Islamic terrorist. Bush will end up being correct in the end, just 10 years behind.

[Col Hogan]

So....why do I have a friend that is going to be sent to Iraq in the next couple months?

The bigger question to be asked is why were we there in the first place.

No...that's a question for historians...down the road...

I always thought we were wrong to get into Iraq...but since we broke it...it's our responsibility to fix it...

Obama wants to simply walk away from that responsibility...

[89Hen]

I always thought we were wrong to get into Iraq...

There's plenty of blame for the why, but not many want to share it.

[ASUG8]

It really doesn't matter where you strike or occupy - plug the hole in Iraq, terrorism pops up in Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Somalia, or various other places. Leave Iraq, and it will fill in behind you - terrorism hates a vacuum.
The days of playing the role of world police effectively have ended - we don't have the resources to be everywhere at once, especially when our Saudi "allies" are turning a blind eye to what's happening in their own backyard. We need to move aggressively away from Middle East oil dependence by any means possible and let these unstable regimes resolve their own issues.

[93henfan]

I always thought we were wrong to get into Iraq...but since we broke it...it's our responsibility to fix it...

Obama wants to simply walk away from that responsibility...

Question: Do you honestly think it's fixable with the current state of the US military and international diplomacy?

I agree that this exit was hasty, but do you really think the eventual outcome would be any different if we stayed longer? Since the minute we went in with an inadequate ground force, I've been saying that we can get out now or in 30 years, and the outcome will be the same: Sunnis and Shiites in civil war within a few months and no resolution until another strong-arm dictator, this time Shiite and backed by Iran, takes over.

[OSBF]

but since we broke it...it's our responsibility to fix it...

some things just can't be fixed

like peace in the middle east will only happen when either the last jew or last arab is dead and cold in the ground

[89Hen]

We need to move aggressively away from Middle East oil dependence by any means possible and let these unstable regimes resolve their own issues.

You haven't seen pissed off Middle Easterners yet. Wait until the day comes when the black gold isn't needed anymore.

[clenz]

So....why do I have a friend that is going to be sent to Iraq in the next couple months?

The bigger question to be asked is why were we there in the first place.

I don't disagree, BUT if the war is over why are more troops being sent into Iraq?

[93henfan]

The bigger question to be asked is why were we there in the first place.

I don't disagree, BUT if the war is over why are more troops being sent into Iraq?

Because we can't keep the same people over there indefinitely. Sounds like a troop rotation. You do realize we're keeping 50K in the Green Zone and other strategic points, right?

[OSBF]

The bigger question to be asked is why were we there in the first place.

I don't disagree, BUT if the war is over why are more troops being sent into Iraq?

Why do we still have troops in Germany? Korea?

[clenz]

I don't disagree, BUT if the war is over why are more troops being sent into Iraq?

Because we can't keep the same people over there indefinitely. Sounds like a troop rotation. You do realize we're keeping 50K in the Green Zone and other strategic points, right?

Yep...doesn't sound like the "war" is over though.

The offensive side of it maybe, but not the "war"

[andy7171]

Because we can't keep the same people over there indefinitely. Sounds like a troop rotation. You do realize we're keeping 50K in the Green Zone and other strategic points, right?

Yep...doesn't sound like the "war" is over though.

The offensive side of it maybe, but not the "war"

It's not over. But apparently saying it is, makes Obama look like he's keeping promises.

[OSBF]

Because we can't keep the same people over there indefinitely. Sounds like a troop rotation. You do realize we're keeping 50K in the Green Zone and other strategic points, right?

Yep...doesn't sound like the "war" is over though.

The offensive side of it maybe, but not the "war"

[Skjellyfetti]

Yep...doesn't sound like the "war" is over though.

The offensive side of it maybe, but not the "war"

war isn't over. but, it's being fought mainly by iraqi's now instead of us soldiers.

[dbackjon]

So....why do I have a friend that is going to be sent to Iraq in the next couple months?

They get sent to Germany, Japan, Saudi, Korea, etc. No combat operations there, either.

[AZGrizFan]

So....why do I have a friend that is going to be sent to Iraq in the next couple months?

They get sent to Germany, Japan, Saudi, Korea, etc. No combat operations there, either.

Tell that to the families of the "non-combat" troops who will continue to come home in body bags.

[GannonFan]

They get sent to Germany, Japan, Saudi, Korea, etc. No combat operations there, either.

Tell that to the families of the "non-combat" troops who will continue to come home in body bags.

Gotta agree with Z here, trying to paint Iraq today as a military destination on the same level of Germany, Japan, etc is just too much of a stretch. We still have 50k troops in harms-way in Iraq, whether we call them combat troops or not. The level of actual danger in Iraq is far, far more than what military personnel face in those other destinations. Heck, even Korea is far safer of an environment and all we have is a 60 year old armistice there keeping us separated from a far more substantial force.

[dbackjon]

They get sent to Germany, Japan, Saudi, Korea, etc. No combat operations there, either.

Tell that to the families of the "non-combat" troops who will continue to come home in body bags.

OK, so NOW it is ok to make glib answers about dead soldiers? Wasn't ok when Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld were murdering Americans?



UNISWF asked if there were no combat operations, why were we still sending soldiers there. Simply answered that doesn't mean a thing.

Will it still be dangerous? Yup. SHould we pull out completely? Hell yes. But then the Colonel Hogans of the world will pillor Obama for that, as well.

Obama was put into a no-win situation in Iraq because of voters like you, supporting Bush's lies. That is something that YOU have to live with, and acknowledge.

[Gil Dobie]

This whole thing is incredibly predictable. There will be all-out civil war in Iraq by next summer and they'll be pleading with us to bring back more troops. Bush's unprovoked destabilization of that country was a grave, grave error that we'll be paying for for decades.

and if we don't get back involved, Iraq REALLY WILL be a fertile training and staging ground for radical Islamic terrorist. Bush will end up being correct in the end, just 10 years behind.

Sounds like the Conk justification just a couple years ago. Same lying shiate different politician, first Clinton/Gore, then Bush/Cheney, now Obama/Biden and the conglomerate cluster fluck know as the US Congress.

"Earlier today I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces,"

"Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors," said (Bill) Clinton.

Clinton also stated that, while other countries also had weapons of mass destruction, Hussein is in a different category because he has used such weapons against his own people and against his neighbors.

(CNN)

In a 1992 speech on the Gulf War, Gore stated that he twice attempted to get the U.S. government to pull the plug on support to Saddam Hussein, citing Hussein's use of poison gas, support of terrorism, and his burgeoning nuclear program, but was opposed both times by the Reagan and Bush administrations.

(WIKI)

[AZGrizFan]

Tell that to the families of the "non-combat" troops who will continue to come home in body bags.

OK, so NOW it is ok to make glib answers about dead soldiers? Wasn't ok when Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld were murdering Americans?



UNISWF asked if there were no combat operations, why were we still sending soldiers there. Simply answered that doesn't mean a thing.

Will it still be dangerous? Yup. SHould we pull out completely? Hell yes. But then the Colonel Hogans of the world will pillor Obama for that, as well.

Obama was put into a no-win situation in Iraq because of voters like you, supporting Bush's lies. That is something that YOU have to live with, and acknowledge.

Nice dodge, Jon. Argument gets shot down? No problem...change the question!

All I'm saying is implying that Iraq is just like Germany, Korea and Japan is fucking hogwash. You know it. I know it. Anyone with a BRAINSTEM knows it. How many troops did we lose last year in Korea to roadside bombs?

Jesus....and ursus says that I'M bad with analogies.

[YoUDeeMan]

OK, so NOW it is ok to make glib answers about dead soldiers? Wasn't ok when Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld were murdering Americans?



UNISWF asked if there were no combat operations, why were we still sending soldiers there. Simply answered that doesn't mean a thing.

Will it still be dangerous? Yup. SHould we pull out completely? Hell yes. But then the Colonel Hogans of the world will pillor Obama for that, as well.

Obama was put into a no-win situation in Iraq because of voters like you, supporting Bush's lies. That is something that YOU have to live with, and acknowledge.

Wow. Jon, you used to put together some good arguments...and separated yourself from the likes of Travis and Ralph. But these days it seems as though you will say anything to back your side...whatever it might be. Sad, really. I hope you get back to a more reasonable way of thinking.

Face it, Obama is putting on a show, just like Bush. Obushma hasn't changed a thing...this was done for purely political reasons and nothing more. If anyone seriously believes that combat operations are over in Iraq, and on top of it believes that Obama's speech was not "Bush II" rallying the votes, then those folks are among the dumbest humans on this planet.

Say it isn't so, Jon.

[OSBF]

But then the Colonel Hogans of the world will pillor Obama for that, as well.

he could help a little old blind grandma in a wheelchair carrying a basket of puppies across the street and people like hogan and alpha jizz would slay him for it.

[Skjellyfetti]

But then the Colonel Hogans of the world will pillor Obama for that, as well.

he could help a little old blind grandma in a wheelchair carrying a basket of puppies across the street and people like hogan and alpha jizz would slay him for it.

The little old, blind grandma will never learn to be independent if people like Obama keep offering her assistance when crossing the street. She will always approach the curb and expect someone will be there to guide her across traffic. What we need is more people to come along and push her out into traffic so she can learn to negotiate speeding vehicles on her wheelchair. That's the only way she will be a productive member of society. SINK OR SWIM, YOU BRITTLE OLD BITCH.

[YoUDeeMan]

he could help a little old blind grandma in a wheelchair carrying a basket of puppies across the street and people like hogan and alpha jizz would slay him for it.

The little old, blind grandma will never learn to be independent if people like Obama keep offering her assistance when crossing the street. She will always approach the curb and expect someone will be there to guide her across traffic. What we need is more people to come along and push her out into traffic so she can learn to negotiate speeding vehicles on her wheelchair. That's the only way she will be a productive member of society. SINK OR SWIM, YOU BRITTLE OLD BITCH.

The only thing I see missing from "the Col's" proposition is that there was no mention of the betting parlors that could be set up on the street corner. Imagine the capital, especially if it were taxed, that could be generated off that woman's, and others like her, learning curve. Real life educational opportunities (students could study the physics involved in the impacts and avoidance of), capitalistic business and employment, and taxable income going back the the government to help fund other such programs....a winner suggestion all the way around!

[Appaholic]

he could help a little old blind grandma in a wheelchair carrying a basket of puppies across the street and people like hogan and alpha jizz would slay him for it.

The little old, blind grandma will never learn to be independent if people like Obama keep offering her assistance when crossing the street. She will always approach the curb and expect someone will be there to guide her across traffic. What we need is more people to come along and push her out into traffic so she can learn to negotiate speeding vehicles on her wheelchair. That's the only way she will be a productive member of society. SINK OR SWIM, YOU BRITTLE OLD BITCH.