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Re: Obama To Use Executive Order To Ban Recreational Fishing

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kalm wrote:Hitler tried to take away fishing and dirty water too. ;)

The perceived rights of property owners are threatened. Try building a dam on the small creek running through your property. Then again the water in that creek as well as storm water that recharges an aquifer belongs to all of us. So if you divert or pollute it you are infringing upon the rights of everyone else. It's a ticklish area and will get more heated as the population increases.
Virtually every structure built creates polluted runoff, even residential. If a house has bituminous or asphalt shingles, painted metal or tile roof, the rainwater runoff that comes out of the gutter downspout usually contains some form of petroleum or organic based compound. This isn't about gross polluters. This would open the door for the EPA to impose regulatory control over every home and business in America.

The goal for the Feds isn't "reasonable" control over polluters, but rather an expansion of the government's Leviathan authority to tell every citizen how they should live, then charge permit fees for the cooperative "sheep", and fine the uncooperative "violators".

With industries failing and homes foreclosing in record numbers...

...when will the pro-Nanny government libtards wake up and realize they are the direct cause for this economic carnage?
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Re: Obama To Use Executive Order To Ban Recreational Fishing

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travelinman67 wrote:
kalm wrote:Hitler tried to take away fishing and dirty water too. ;)

The perceived rights of property owners are threatened. Try building a dam on the small creek running through your property. Then again the water in that creek as well as storm water that recharges an aquifer belongs to all of us. So if you divert or pollute it you are infringing upon the rights of everyone else. It's a ticklish area and will get more heated as the population increases.
Virtually every structure built creates polluted runoff, even residential. If a house has bituminous or asphalt shingles, painted metal or tile roof, the rainwater runoff that comes out of the gutter downspout usually contains some form of petroleum or organic based compound. This isn't about gross polluters. This would open the door for the EPA to impose regulatory control over every home and business in America.

The goal for the Feds isn't "reasonable" control over polluters, but rather an expansion of the government's Leviathan authority to tell every citizen how they should live, then charge permit fees for the cooperative "sheep", and fine the uncooperative "violators".

With industries failing and homes foreclosing in record numbers...

...when will the pro-Nanny government libtards wake up and realize they are the direct cause for this economic carnage?
:rofl:

Pollution hurts the economy too. :coffee:
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Re: Obama To Use Executive Order To Ban Recreational Fishing

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travelinman67 wrote:With industries failing and homes foreclosing in record numbers...

...when will the pro-Nanny government libtards wake up and realize they are the direct cause for this economic carnage?
Yes...you are correct...pro-Nanny government Libtards are the direct cause of this economic carnage...had nothing to do with the un-regulated trade in derivatives or through any direct action by any of the financial houses on Wall Street...it's entirely the environmentalist's fault.... :roll:

Seriously TMan, you're smarter than that statement I quoted you on....quit playing us for idiots or dittoheads..... :coffee:
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Re: Obama To Use Executive Order To Ban Recreational Fishing

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travelinman67 wrote:With industries failing and homes foreclosing in record numbers...

...when will the pro-Nanny government libtards wake up and realize they are the direct cause for this economic carnage?
Yes...you are correct...pro-Nanny government Libtards are the direct cause of this economic carnage...had nothing to do with the un-regulated trade in derivatives or through any direct action by any of the financial houses on Wall Street...it's entirely the environmentalist's fault.... :roll:

Seriously TMan, you're smarter than that statement I quoted you on....quit playing us for idiots or dittoheads..... :coffee:
Americans gross income (due to a failing GDP) has not kept up with housing. The desire by the financial market to maintain mortgage-backed financial instruments as their cash-cow motivated the creation of sub-prime and stated-income lending. But for the latter financing methods, the faulty derivatives would have been unneeded to maintain the revenue levels.

It all goes back to the failing GDP.

And the principal causors of the failed GDP were rising (uncompetitive) labor costs and (punitively designed) government regulation of industry: Both driven by liberal political agenda.

Go back to school, Banjoman.

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Re: Obama To Use Executive Order To Ban Recreational Fishing

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travelinman67 wrote:
Appaholic wrote:
Yes...you are correct...pro-Nanny government Libtards are the direct cause of this economic carnage...had nothing to do with the un-regulated trade in derivatives or through any direct action by any of the financial houses on Wall Street...it's entirely the environmentalist's fault.... :roll:

Seriously TMan, you're smarter than that statement I quoted you on....quit playing us for idiots or dittoheads..... :coffee:
Americans gross income (due to a failing GDP) has not kept up with housing. The desire by the financial market to maintain mortgage-backed financial instruments as their cash-cow motivated the creation of sub-prime and stated-income lending. But for the latter financing methods, the faulty derivatives would have been unneeded to maintain the revenue levels.

It all goes back to the failing GDP.

And the principal causors of the failed GDP were rising (uncompetitive) labor costs and (punitively designed) government regulation of industry: Both driven by liberal political agenda.

Go back to school, Banjoman.

:coffee:

Yes, if only we were more like china. :rofl:
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Re: Obama To Use Executive Order To Ban Recreational Fishing

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kalm wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:
Americans gross income (due to a failing GDP) has not kept up with housing. The desire by the financial market to maintain mortgage-backed financial instruments as their cash-cow motivated the creation of sub-prime and stated-income lending. But for the latter financing methods, the faulty derivatives would have been unneeded to maintain the revenue levels.

It all goes back to the failing GDP.

And the principal causors of the failed GDP were rising (uncompetitive) labor costs and (punitively designed) government regulation of industry: Both driven by liberal political agenda.

Go back to school, Banjoman.

:coffee:

Yes, if only we were more like china. :rofl:
I'll wager if America doesn't reverse course economically and drastically restrict govt. size and regulatory oppression over the next decade, you'll be making that statement...

...without the mock laughter.

Wanna bet?

Every libtard yocal who cracks cricket-like that nothing needs to change...

...will be sitting out in the cold under the inevitable global economic reformation.

I'm willing to put money on it...

...how 'bout you?
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Re: Obama To Use Executive Order To Ban Recreational Fishing

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travelinman67 wrote:
kalm wrote:

Yes, if only we were more like china. :rofl:
I'll wager if America doesn't reverse course economically and drastically restrict govt. size and regulatory oppression over the next decade, you'll be making that statement...

...without the mock laughter.

Wanna bet?

Every libtard yocal who cracks cricket-like that nothing needs to change...

...will be sitting out in the cold under the inevitable global economic reformation.

I'm willing to put money on it...

...how 'bout you?
Tman, how much is enough? How many more humans can this planet take? Global warming aside, have you noticed the water and food wars? India and China and Brazil living like Americans!? Are you kidding me?

How much is enough?
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Re: Obama To Use Executive Order To Ban Recreational Fishing

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travelinman67 wrote:
Appaholic wrote:
Yes...you are correct...pro-Nanny government Libtards are the direct cause of this economic carnage...had nothing to do with the un-regulated trade in derivatives or through any direct action by any of the financial houses on Wall Street...it's entirely the environmentalist's fault.... :roll:

Seriously TMan, you're smarter than that statement I quoted you on....quit playing us for idiots or dittoheads..... :coffee:
Americans gross income (due to a failing GDP) has not kept up with housing. The desire by the financial market to maintain mortgage-backed financial instruments as their cash-cow motivated the creation of sub-prime and stated-income lending. But for the latter financing methods, the faulty derivatives would have been unneeded to maintain the revenue levels.

It all goes back to the failing GDP.

And the principal causors of the failed GDP were rising (uncompetitive) labor costs and (punitively designed) government regulation of industry: Both driven by liberal political agenda.

Go back to school, Banjoman.

:coffee:
I'm with you on the labor, but don't lay all the rest at the feet of the Sierra Club. An industry producing goods in an environmentally-responsible manner is a cost of doing business, not a punitive witch hunt. Are some of the environmental laws ridiculous? Yes, but so are some of the loopholes still available to big business. Perhaps the financial albatross currently swinging around America's neck could also be contributed to runaway, unnecessary pork barrel water allocation projects of which the Agri-corps located in your state have been the primary beneficiaries. And these were approved under Dem & Rep alike. Ask the folks of Owens Valley how happy they are about LA's ability to contribute to GDP. And don't even get me started on the financial burden the local & fedral governments have absorbed so you fokkers don't have to worry a flooded basement on your house located within the Sacramento River Floodplain. BTW, I am assuming you have protested vigorously against Sacramento's lawsuit against Aerojet contaminating your water supply? Surely the citizens of Sacramento have to thnk of the country's greater good in restoring our GDP instead of paying for pollution (isn't the "greater good" concept kind of like socialism?)....:coffee:
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EPA Targets The Amish; Validates "Destroy That Which You Fea

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travelinman67 wrote:
kalm wrote:Hitler tried to take away fishing and dirty water too. ;)

The perceived rights of property owners are threatened. Try building a dam on the small creek running through your property. Then again the water in that creek as well as storm water that recharges an aquifer belongs to all of us. So if you divert or pollute it you are infringing upon the rights of everyone else. It's a ticklish area and will get more heated as the population increases.
Virtually every structure built creates polluted runoff, even residential. If a house has bituminous or asphalt shingles, painted metal or tile roof, the rainwater runoff that comes out of the gutter downspout usually contains some form of petroleum or organic based compound. This isn't about gross polluters. This would open the door for the EPA to impose regulatory control over every home and business in America.

The goal for the Feds isn't "reasonable" control over polluters, but rather an expansion of the government's Leviathan authority to tell every citizen how they should live, then charge permit fees for the cooperative "sheep", and fine the uncooperative "violators".

With industries failing and homes foreclosing in record numbers...

...when will the pro-Nanny government libtards wake up and realize they are the direct cause for this economic carnage?
Huh...

...EPA going after the Amish for "polluting" by rearing livestock. Didn't see that coming. :roll:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/09/scien ... amish.html
LANCASTER, Pa. — With simplicity as their credo, Amish farmers consume so little that some might consider them model environmental citizens.

Manure that accumulates on Amish farms easily washes into nearby streams, then into the troubled Chesapeake Bay. The federal government’s work with Amish farmers is part of an initiative intended to restore the bay to good health.
“We are supposed to be stewards of the land,” said Matthew Stoltzfus, a 34-year-old dairy farmer and father of seven whose family, like many other Amish, shuns cars in favor of horse and buggy and lives without electricity. “It is our Christian duty.”

But farmers like Mr. Stoltzfus are facing growing scrutiny for agricultural practices that the federal government sees as environmentally destructive. Their cows generate heaps of manure that easily washes into streams and flows onward into the Chesapeake Bay.

And the Environmental Protection Agency, charged by President Obama with restoring the bay to health, is determined to crack down. The farmers have a choice: change the way they farm or face stiff penalties.

“There’s much, much work that needs to be done, and I don’t think the full community understands,” said David McGuigan, the E.P.A. official leading an effort by the agency to change farming practices here in Lancaster County.

Runoff from manure and synthetic fertilizers has polluted the Chesapeake Bay for years, reducing oxygen rates, killing fish and creating a dead zone that has persisted since the 1970s despite off-and-on cleanup efforts. But of the dozens of counties that contribute to the deadly runoff of nitrogen and phosphorus, Lancaster ranks at the top. According to E.P.A. data from 2007, the most recent available, the county generates more than 61 million pounds of manure a year. That is 20 million pounds more than the next highest county on the list of bay polluters, and more than six times that of most other counties.

The challenge for the environmental agency is to steer the farmers toward new practices without stirring resentment that might cause a backlash. The so-called plain-sect families — Amish and Old Order Mennonites, descended from persecuted Anabaptists who fled Germany and Switzerland in the 1700s — are notoriously wary of outsiders and of the government in particular.

“They are very resistant to government interference, and they object to government subsidies,” said Donald Kraybill, a professor at Elizabethtown College who studies the Amish. “They feel they should take care of their own.”

But the focus on the plain-sect dairy farmers is unavoidable: they own more than 50 percent of Lancaster County’s 5,000-plus farms.

“It’s been an issue over the last 30 years,” Dr. Kraybill said. “We have too many animals here per square acre — too many cows for too few acres.”

For now, the environmental agency’s strategy is to approach each farmer individually in collaboration with state and local conservation officials and suggest improvements like fences to prevent livestock from drifting toward streams, buffers that reduce runoff and pits to keep manure stored safely.

“These are real people with their own histories and their own needs and their own culture,” said John Hanger, the secretary of environmental protection in Pennsylvania. “It’s about treating people right, and in order to treat people right, you’ve got to be able to start where they are at.”

But if that does not work, the government will have to resort to fines and penalties...

...“It’s certainly generated controversy,” said Sam Riehl, a farmer in the area. “We wonder whether we are being told what to do, and whether the E.P.A. will make it so that we can’t even maintain our farms.”

Mr. Riehl said he had vowed never to accept a government grant. He does have a manure management plan and a manure pit, he said, although several of his neighbors do not.

Last year the federal Fish and Wildlife Service awarded $500,000 to the Chesapeake Bay Foundation to work with the farmers on switching to barnyard runoff controls, streamside forest buffers, no-till farming and cover crops. The money has been lucrative for local agricultural companies like Red Barn Consulting, which has used some of it to hold milk-and-doughnut sessions in barns for Amish farmers and drop off fliers door to door.

The firm’s owner, Peter Hughes, and his employees instruct the farmers on manure management and do free walkthroughs to offer suggestions. In the last six months, Mr. Hughes said, his plain-sect clientele has soared from several dozen farmers to about 200.
...and what, pray tell, is Mr. Hughes' financial interest in all this...

...he owns Central Pennsylvania's ONLY state certified WATER QUALITY CREDIT TRADING COMPANY, for the purpose of buying/selling water pollution credits which can be used to offset so-called "gross pollution".

http://www.redbarntrading.com/080206.html

EPA = Mafiosa business extortion racket. I wonder what the odds are Mr. Hughes is a financial backer of pro-environment politicians and legislation?

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travelinman67 wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:
Virtually every structure built creates polluted runoff, even residential. If a house has bituminous or asphalt shingles, painted metal or tile roof, the rainwater runoff that comes out of the gutter downspout usually contains some form of petroleum or organic based compound. This isn't about gross polluters. This would open the door for the EPA to impose regulatory control over every home and business in America.

The goal for the Feds isn't "reasonable" control over polluters, but rather an expansion of the government's Leviathan authority to tell every citizen how they should live, then charge permit fees for the cooperative "sheep", and fine the uncooperative "violators".

With industries failing and homes foreclosing in record numbers...

...when will the pro-Nanny government libtards wake up and realize they are the direct cause for this economic carnage?
Huh...

...EPA going after the Amish for "polluting" by rearing livestock. Didn't see that coming. :roll:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/09/scien ... amish.html
LANCASTER, Pa. — With simplicity as their credo, Amish farmers consume so little that some might consider them model environmental citizens.

Manure that accumulates on Amish farms easily washes into nearby streams, then into the troubled Chesapeake Bay. The federal government’s work with Amish farmers is part of an initiative intended to restore the bay to good health.
“We are supposed to be stewards of the land,” said Matthew Stoltzfus, a 34-year-old dairy farmer and father of seven whose family, like many other Amish, shuns cars in favor of horse and buggy and lives without electricity. “It is our Christian duty.”

But farmers like Mr. Stoltzfus are facing growing scrutiny for agricultural practices that the federal government sees as environmentally destructive. Their cows generate heaps of manure that easily washes into streams and flows onward into the Chesapeake Bay.

And the Environmental Protection Agency, charged by President Obama with restoring the bay to health, is determined to crack down. The farmers have a choice: change the way they farm or face stiff penalties.

“There’s much, much work that needs to be done, and I don’t think the full community understands,” said David McGuigan, the E.P.A. official leading an effort by the agency to change farming practices here in Lancaster County.

Runoff from manure and synthetic fertilizers has polluted the Chesapeake Bay for years, reducing oxygen rates, killing fish and creating a dead zone that has persisted since the 1970s despite off-and-on cleanup efforts. But of the dozens of counties that contribute to the deadly runoff of nitrogen and phosphorus, Lancaster ranks at the top. According to E.P.A. data from 2007, the most recent available, the county generates more than 61 million pounds of manure a year. That is 20 million pounds more than the next highest county on the list of bay polluters, and more than six times that of most other counties.

The challenge for the environmental agency is to steer the farmers toward new practices without stirring resentment that might cause a backlash. The so-called plain-sect families — Amish and Old Order Mennonites, descended from persecuted Anabaptists who fled Germany and Switzerland in the 1700s — are notoriously wary of outsiders and of the government in particular.

“They are very resistant to government interference, and they object to government subsidies,” said Donald Kraybill, a professor at Elizabethtown College who studies the Amish. “They feel they should take care of their own.”

But the focus on the plain-sect dairy farmers is unavoidable: they own more than 50 percent of Lancaster County’s 5,000-plus farms.

“It’s been an issue over the last 30 years,” Dr. Kraybill said. “We have too many animals here per square acre — too many cows for too few acres.”

For now, the environmental agency’s strategy is to approach each farmer individually in collaboration with state and local conservation officials and suggest improvements like fences to prevent livestock from drifting toward streams, buffers that reduce runoff and pits to keep manure stored safely.

“These are real people with their own histories and their own needs and their own culture,” said John Hanger, the secretary of environmental protection in Pennsylvania. “It’s about treating people right, and in order to treat people right, you’ve got to be able to start where they are at.”

But if that does not work, the government will have to resort to fines and penalties...

...“It’s certainly generated controversy,” said Sam Riehl, a farmer in the area. “We wonder whether we are being told what to do, and whether the E.P.A. will make it so that we can’t even maintain our farms.”

Mr. Riehl said he had vowed never to accept a government grant. He does have a manure management plan and a manure pit, he said, although several of his neighbors do not.

Last year the federal Fish and Wildlife Service awarded $500,000 to the Chesapeake Bay Foundation to work with the farmers on switching to barnyard runoff controls, streamside forest buffers, no-till farming and cover crops. The money has been lucrative for local agricultural companies like Red Barn Consulting, which has used some of it to hold milk-and-doughnut sessions in barns for Amish farmers and drop off fliers door to door.

The firm’s owner, Peter Hughes, and his employees instruct the farmers on manure management and do free walkthroughs to offer suggestions. In the last six months, Mr. Hughes said, his plain-sect clientele has soared from several dozen farmers to about 200.
...and what, pray tell, is Mr. Hughes' financial interest in all this...

...he owns Central Pennsylvania's ONLY state certified WATER QUALITY CREDIT TRADING COMPANY, for the purpose of buying/selling water pollution credits which can be used to offset so-called "gross pollution".

http://www.redbarntrading.com/080206.html

EPA = Mafiosa business extortion racket. I wonder what the odds are Mr. Hughes is a financial backer of pro-environment politicians and legislation?

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You really aren't serious are you?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Those Amish need to get their shit together.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

BTW, went fishing last week. It was terrific. :thumb:
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Your future, America, under the Obama EPA-centric oligarchy...

THE PURPOSE: TAXATION AND LAND USE CONTROL

Los Angeles might require rainwater capture
Proposed law would apply to new home-building, larger developments and some redevelopment projects to prevent runoff from reaching the ocean. A builders group has voiced some objections.

February 01, 2010
By Susan Carpenter

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/01 ... -2010feb01
A proposed law would require new homes, larger developments and some redevelopments in Los Angeles to capture and reuse runoff generated in rainstorms.

The ordinance approved in January by the Department of Public Works would require such projects to capture, reuse or infiltrate 100% of runoff generated in a 3/4 -inch rainstorm or to pay a storm water pollution mitigation fee that would help fund off-site, low-impact public developments.

The fairly new approach to managing storm water and urban runoff is designed to mitigate the negative effects of urbanization by controlling runoff at its source with small, cost-effective natural systems instead of treatment facilities. Reducing runoff improves water quality and recharges groundwater.

Board of Public Works Commissioner Paula Daniels, who drafted the ordinance last July, said the new requirements would prevent 104 million gallons of polluted urban runoff from ending up in the ocean.

Under the ordinance, builders would be required to use rainwater storage tanks, permeable pavement, infiltration swales or curb bump-outs to manage the water where it falls. Builders unable to manage 100% of a project's runoff on site would be required to pay a penalty of $13 a gallon of runoff not handled there -- a requirement the Building Industry Assn. has been fighting.

"The Building Industry Assn. is supportive of the concept of low-impact development and has invested a lot of time and energy in educating our members on those techniques and advancing those technologies," said Holly Schroeder, executive officer of the L.A.-Ventura County chapter of the association.

"But when we now start talking about using LIDs as a regulatory tool, we need to make sure we devise a regulation that can be implemented successfully."

Schroeder said that some building projects, such as those in downtown L.A. or areas where the soil is high in clay, would have difficulty with the 100% retention rule and that the $13-a-gallon mitigation fee is too high. A one-acre building on ground where runoff could not be managed on site, Schroeder said, could pay a fee as high as $238,000.

"We're seeking flexibility to reflect the site circumstance," she said.

At the urging of business groups opposed to an earlier draft, the Board of Public Works has acquiesced on some points.

"We worked out something with the business community that they can release the runoff if they first run the water over a high-efficiency bio-filtration system," Daniels said. "In other words, they have to clean it first."

The board also decreased the per-gallon mitigation fee from $20 to $13. The mitigation fees would fund public low-impact developments, such as the Oval Street project planned for Mar Vista, where 24,000 linear feet of parkway will be retrofitted with porous pavement, bio-retention basins and other water infiltration strategies designed to capture 2 million gallons of storm water that would otherwise flow to the ocean.
Onsite bio-filtration, catch basins and mitigation fees are neither "cost-effective" nor defensible absent pre-construction percolation testing to determine natural runoff. In other words, they are regulatory taxation burdens needlessly imposed upon land users under the guise of environmental protection.

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EPA navigates new policy designating Los Angeles River a 'traditionally navigable waterway'

July 8, 2010
Molly Peterson

http://www.scpr.org/news/2010/07/08/navigable-river/
Federal authorities decreed the Los Angeles River worthy of environmental protection while visiting one of its feeder creeks in the city of Compton. The policy shift settles a longstanding dispute.

Over and over, public officials – mayors, a county supervisor and the head of the Environmental Protection Agency – repeated the same phrase at the announcement in Compton. "Traditional navigable waterway." EPA chief Lisa Jackson drew knowing laughter and applause when she spoke that shibboleth, a legal phrase freighted with meaning. "What does that mean?" she laughed, too. "That means that we recognize that this is water. Not only is this water, it needs to be thought of as part of our ecological system that services us."

The magic phrase invokes the primary law regulating water pollution in the United States. Jackson says restoration plans, use of the river by watercraft and other factors make clear that the L.A. River must meet the Clean Water Act's strict standards for surface water quality. "It means that the entire 51-mile watershed is protected and it means that areas like Compton Creek will have the full protection of our nation's clean water laws."

That protection was in doubt after the U.S. Supreme Court moved to narrow the Clean Water Act four years ago. The court's decision in a case called Rapanos v. United States confused federal agencies and Western states where snow-fed spring rivers dry up in summer heat. When a rancher sought to fill in some mountain streams that feed the L.A. river, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed that the river, most of it, wasn't a body of water at all – just concrete used for flood protection...

...The Natural Resources Defense Council's David Beckman says the EPA's move at this river spotlights the chaos the Supreme Court's decision created in Western water policy. "So what we need is a change to the Clean Water Act to restore the traditional definitions," Beckman says, "and to make it clear that waterways like the L.A. River and similar ones around the West – arid waterways – are fully protected just like on the east coast."

The NRDC and Beckman are among those pushing such a law. In the Santa Monica and San Gabriel mountains, builders may feel the EPA's decision first. They'll need permits to build roads and homes near seasonal streams.

Heal the Bay's Mark Gold says that will slow growth. "That development pressure should be greatly reduced within those small tributaries that really make such a difference and make those mountains special, that also drain into the L.A. River watershed," Gold says.


At Compton Creek, graffiti tags and cinderblocks are in a dead heat with a stubborn stripe of green plants in the water. EPA administrator Lisa Jackson said her decision tips the scales for urban environmental justice. "We have to think about a river with a concrete bottom that flows through one of our nation's largest cities and through this lovely city as well," Jackson said. "We need to think about urban areas and we need to make it clear to the residents who live here – our neighbors – how important these issues are."

South L.A. high school students enrolled in Agua University showed how they're learning to test water quality at Compton Creek – one of the L.A. River's major downstream tributaries. In a second announcement Wednesday, L.A. County Supervisor Mark Ridley-Thomas announced the purchase of four acres of soft-bottom river here. "It will facilitate and afford interesting opportunities with economic development," Ridley-Thomas said. "And it should be said with this opportunity comes a significant challenge."

The challenge remains the same – funding for restoration and pollution enforcement is scarce. The EPA's announcement sounds a hopeful note for state and county agencies in the Los Angeles River's watershed. Local activists say that hope will be fulfilled when money flows even bigger than the river does.
"...slow growth..."

"...when money flows..."

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...environmental protection? Kiss my ass.


THE REALITY: LAME-DUCK CONGRESS/EXECUTIVE ORDER EXPANSION


The Stealth Obama Ocean Grab

Michelle Malkin
Aug 20th, 2010

http://frontpagemag.com/2010/08/20/the- ... cean-grab/
It’s not enough that the White House is moving to lock up hundreds of millions of acres of land in the name of environmental protection. The Obama administration’s neon green radicals are also training their sights on the deep blue seas. The president’s grabby-handed bureaucrats have been empowered through executive order to seize unprecedented control from states and localities over “conservation, economic activity, user conflict and sustainable use of the ocean, our coasts and the Great Lakes.”_

Democrats have tried and failed to pass “comprehensive” federal oceans management legislation five years in a row. The so-called “Oceans 21″ bill, sponsored by Democratic Rep. Sam Farr of California, went nowhere fast. Among the top reasons: bipartisan concerns about the economic impact of closing off widespread access to recreational fishing. The bill also would have handed environmentalists another punitive litigation weapon under the guise of “ecosystem management.” Instead of accepting defeat, the green lobby simply circumvented the legislative process altogether.

In late July, President Obama established a behemoth 27-member “National Ocean Council” with the stroke of a pen. Farr gloated: “We already have a Clean Air Act and a Clean Water Act. With today’s executive order, President Obama in effect creates a Clean Ocean Act.” And not a single hearing needed to be held. Not a single amendment considered. Not a single vote cast. Who gives a flying fish about transparency and the deliberative process? The oceans are dying!

The panel will have the power to implement “coastal and marine spatial plans” and to ensure that all executive agencies, departments and offices abide by their determinations. The panel has also been granted authority to establish regional advisory committees that overlap with existing regional and local authorities governing marine and coastal planning.

No wonder the anti-growth, anti-development, anti-jobs zealots are cheering. The National Ocean Council is co-chaired by wackadoodle science czar John Holdren (notorious for his cheerful musings about eugenics, mass sterilization and forced abortions to protect Mother Earth and for hyping weather catastrophes and demographic disasters in the 1970s with his population control freak pals Paul and Anne Ehrlich) and White House Council on Environmental Quality head Nancy Sutley (best known as the immediate boss of disgraced green jobs czar/self-avowed communist Van Jones).

Also on the new ocean panel:

— Socialista and energy/climate change czar Carol Browner, last seen bullying auto company execs to “put nothing in writing, ever” and threatening to push massive cap-and-trade tax hikes during the upcoming congressional lame duck session.

— Dr. Jane Lubchenco, head of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and a former high-ranking official at the left-wing Environmental Defense Fund, which has long championed drastic reductions of commercial fishing fleets and recreational fishing activity in favor of centralized control.

— Attorney General Eric Holder, who will no doubt use his stonewalling expertise to shield the ocean council’s inner workings from public scrutiny.

— Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, who apparently doesn’t have enough to do destroying jobs through his offshore drilling moratorium, blocking onshore development and wreaking havoc on the energy industry.

Given Salazar’s fraudulent book-cooking in support of the administration’s offshore drilling moratorium (Remember: Obama’s own appointed scientists blasted the Interior Secretary for unilaterally contradicting and misrepresenting their conclusions.), his comments on the new ocean grab are more threat than promise: “With two billion acres we help oversee on the Outer Continental Shelf, Interior is a proud partner in this initiative, and we look forward to helping coordinate the science, policies and management of how we use, conserve and protect these public treasures.”

“Helping coordinate the science,” as interpreted by Obama’s Chicago-on-the-Potomac heavies, means doctoring, massaging and ramming through whatever eco-data is necessary “to reduce conflicts among uses, reduce environmental impacts, facilitate compatible uses, and preserve critical ecosystem services to meet economic, environmental, security and social objectives.” Translation: drastically limiting human activity from coastal areas to seabeds to achieve the “social objective” of appeasing the enviros and their deep-pocketed philanthropic funders.

Even New York Sen. Charles Schumer slammed the administration’s junk science-based fishing limits at a meeting this week between NOAA’s Lubchenco and Long Island recreational fishermen. Draconian regulations, he said, according to the New York Post, “put the industry on death’s door.” Now, the same forces behind such job destroyers will have free reign over a national ocean policy established by administrative fiat. Viva la Summer of Wreckovery
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THE PURPOSE: TAXATION AND LAND USE CONTROL

Los Angeles might require rainwater capture
Proposed law would apply to new home-building, larger developments and some redevelopment projects to prevent runoff from reaching the ocean. A builders group has voiced some objections.

February 01, 2010
By Susan Carpenter

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/01 ... -2010feb01
A proposed law would require new homes, larger developments and some redevelopments in Los Angeles to capture and reuse runoff generated in rainstorms.

The ordinance approved in January by the Department of Public Works would require such projects to capture, reuse or infiltrate 100% of runoff generated in a 3/4 -inch rainstorm or to pay a storm water pollution mitigation fee that would help fund off-site, low-impact public developments.

The fairly new approach to managing storm water and urban runoff is designed to mitigate the negative effects of urbanization by controlling runoff at its source with small, cost-effective natural systems instead of treatment facilities. Reducing runoff improves water quality and recharges groundwater.

Board of Public Works Commissioner Paula Daniels, who drafted the ordinance last July, said the new requirements would prevent 104 million gallons of polluted urban runoff from ending up in the ocean.

Under the ordinance, builders would be required to use rainwater storage tanks, permeable pavement, infiltration swales or curb bump-outs to manage the water where it falls. Builders unable to manage 100% of a project's runoff on site would be required to pay a penalty of $13 a gallon of runoff not handled there -- a requirement the Building Industry Assn. has been fighting.

"The Building Industry Assn. is supportive of the concept of low-impact development and has invested a lot of time and energy in educating our members on those techniques and advancing those technologies," said Holly Schroeder, executive officer of the L.A.-Ventura County chapter of the association.

"But when we now start talking about using LIDs as a regulatory tool, we need to make sure we devise a regulation that can be implemented successfully."

Schroeder said that some building projects, such as those in downtown L.A. or areas where the soil is high in clay, would have difficulty with the 100% retention rule and that the $13-a-gallon mitigation fee is too high. A one-acre building on ground where runoff could not be managed on site, Schroeder said, could pay a fee as high as $238,000.

"We're seeking flexibility to reflect the site circumstance," she said.

At the urging of business groups opposed to an earlier draft, the Board of Public Works has acquiesced on some points.

"We worked out something with the business community that they can release the runoff if they first run the water over a high-efficiency bio-filtration system," Daniels said. "In other words, they have to clean it first."

The board also decreased the per-gallon mitigation fee from $20 to $13. The mitigation fees would fund public low-impact developments, such as the Oval Street project planned for Mar Vista, where 24,000 linear feet of parkway will be retrofitted with porous pavement, bio-retention basins and other water infiltration strategies designed to capture 2 million gallons of storm water that would otherwise flow to the ocean.
Onsite bio-filtration, catch basins and mitigation fees are neither "cost-effective" nor defensible absent pre-construction percolation testing to determine natural runoff. In other words, they are regulatory taxation burdens needlessly imposed upon land users under the guise of environmental protection.

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STEALTH IMPLEMENTATION: REGULATORY "BACK DOORS"


EPA navigates new policy designating Los Angeles River a 'traditionally navigable waterway'

July 8, 2010
Molly Peterson

http://www.scpr.org/news/2010/07/08/navigable-river/
Federal authorities decreed the Los Angeles River worthy of environmental protection while visiting one of its feeder creeks in the city of Compton. The policy shift settles a longstanding dispute.

Over and over, public officials – mayors, a county supervisor and the head of the Environmental Protection Agency – repeated the same phrase at the announcement in Compton. "Traditional navigable waterway." EPA chief Lisa Jackson drew knowing laughter and applause when she spoke that shibboleth, a legal phrase freighted with meaning. "What does that mean?" she laughed, too. "That means that we recognize that this is water. Not only is this water, it needs to be thought of as part of our ecological system that services us."

The magic phrase invokes the primary law regulating water pollution in the United States. Jackson says restoration plans, use of the river by watercraft and other factors make clear that the L.A. River must meet the Clean Water Act's strict standards for surface water quality. "It means that the entire 51-mile watershed is protected and it means that areas like Compton Creek will have the full protection of our nation's clean water laws."

That protection was in doubt after the U.S. Supreme Court moved to narrow the Clean Water Act four years ago. The court's decision in a case called Rapanos v. United States confused federal agencies and Western states where snow-fed spring rivers dry up in summer heat. When a rancher sought to fill in some mountain streams that feed the L.A. river, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed that the river, most of it, wasn't a body of water at all – just concrete used for flood protection...

...The Natural Resources Defense Council's David Beckman says the EPA's move at this river spotlights the chaos the Supreme Court's decision created in Western water policy. "So what we need is a change to the Clean Water Act to restore the traditional definitions," Beckman says, "and to make it clear that waterways like the L.A. River and similar ones around the West – arid waterways – are fully protected just like on the east coast."

The NRDC and Beckman are among those pushing such a law. In the Santa Monica and San Gabriel mountains, builders may feel the EPA's decision first. They'll need permits to build roads and homes near seasonal streams.

Heal the Bay's Mark Gold says that will slow growth. "That development pressure should be greatly reduced within those small tributaries that really make such a difference and make those mountains special, that also drain into the L.A. River watershed," Gold says.


At Compton Creek, graffiti tags and cinderblocks are in a dead heat with a stubborn stripe of green plants in the water. EPA administrator Lisa Jackson said her decision tips the scales for urban environmental justice. "We have to think about a river with a concrete bottom that flows through one of our nation's largest cities and through this lovely city as well," Jackson said. "We need to think about urban areas and we need to make it clear to the residents who live here – our neighbors – how important these issues are."

South L.A. high school students enrolled in Agua University showed how they're learning to test water quality at Compton Creek – one of the L.A. River's major downstream tributaries. In a second announcement Wednesday, L.A. County Supervisor Mark Ridley-Thomas announced the purchase of four acres of soft-bottom river here. "It will facilitate and afford interesting opportunities with economic development," Ridley-Thomas said. "And it should be said with this opportunity comes a significant challenge."

The challenge remains the same – funding for restoration and pollution enforcement is scarce. The EPA's announcement sounds a hopeful note for state and county agencies in the Los Angeles River's watershed. Local activists say that hope will be fulfilled when money flows even bigger than the river does.
"...slow growth..."

"...when money flows..."

:roll:

...environmental protection? Kiss my ass.


THE REALITY: LAME-DUCK CONGRESS/EXECUTIVE ORDER EXPANSION


The Stealth Obama Ocean Grab

Michelle Malkin
Aug 20th, 2010

http://frontpagemag.com/2010/08/20/the- ... cean-grab/
It’s not enough that the White House is moving to lock up hundreds of millions of acres of land in the name of environmental protection. The Obama administration’s neon green radicals are also training their sights on the deep blue seas. The president’s grabby-handed bureaucrats have been empowered through executive order to seize unprecedented control from states and localities over “conservation, economic activity, user conflict and sustainable use of the ocean, our coasts and the Great Lakes.”_

Democrats have tried and failed to pass “comprehensive” federal oceans management legislation five years in a row. The so-called “Oceans 21″ bill, sponsored by Democratic Rep. Sam Farr of California, went nowhere fast. Among the top reasons: bipartisan concerns about the economic impact of closing off widespread access to recreational fishing. The bill also would have handed environmentalists another punitive litigation weapon under the guise of “ecosystem management.” Instead of accepting defeat, the green lobby simply circumvented the legislative process altogether.

In late July, President Obama established a behemoth 27-member “National Ocean Council” with the stroke of a pen. Farr gloated: “We already have a Clean Air Act and a Clean Water Act. With today’s executive order, President Obama in effect creates a Clean Ocean Act.” And not a single hearing needed to be held. Not a single amendment considered. Not a single vote cast. Who gives a flying fish about transparency and the deliberative process? The oceans are dying!

The panel will have the power to implement “coastal and marine spatial plans” and to ensure that all executive agencies, departments and offices abide by their determinations. The panel has also been granted authority to establish regional advisory committees that overlap with existing regional and local authorities governing marine and coastal planning.

No wonder the anti-growth, anti-development, anti-jobs zealots are cheering. The National Ocean Council is co-chaired by wackadoodle science czar John Holdren (notorious for his cheerful musings about eugenics, mass sterilization and forced abortions to protect Mother Earth and for hyping weather catastrophes and demographic disasters in the 1970s with his population control freak pals Paul and Anne Ehrlich) and White House Council on Environmental Quality head Nancy Sutley (best known as the immediate boss of disgraced green jobs czar/self-avowed communist Van Jones).

Also on the new ocean panel:

— Socialista and energy/climate change czar Carol Browner, last seen bullying auto company execs to “put nothing in writing, ever” and threatening to push massive cap-and-trade tax hikes during the upcoming congressional lame duck session.

— Dr. Jane Lubchenco, head of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and a former high-ranking official at the left-wing Environmental Defense Fund, which has long championed drastic reductions of commercial fishing fleets and recreational fishing activity in favor of centralized control.

— Attorney General Eric Holder, who will no doubt use his stonewalling expertise to shield the ocean council’s inner workings from public scrutiny.

— Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, who apparently doesn’t have enough to do destroying jobs through his offshore drilling moratorium, blocking onshore development and wreaking havoc on the energy industry.

Given Salazar’s fraudulent book-cooking in support of the administration’s offshore drilling moratorium (Remember: Obama’s own appointed scientists blasted the Interior Secretary for unilaterally contradicting and misrepresenting their conclusions.), his comments on the new ocean grab are more threat than promise: “With two billion acres we help oversee on the Outer Continental Shelf, Interior is a proud partner in this initiative, and we look forward to helping coordinate the science, policies and management of how we use, conserve and protect these public treasures.”

“Helping coordinate the science,” as interpreted by Obama’s Chicago-on-the-Potomac heavies, means doctoring, massaging and ramming through whatever eco-data is necessary “to reduce conflicts among uses, reduce environmental impacts, facilitate compatible uses, and preserve critical ecosystem services to meet economic, environmental, security and social objectives.” Translation: drastically limiting human activity from coastal areas to seabeds to achieve the “social objective” of appeasing the enviros and their deep-pocketed philanthropic funders.

Even New York Sen. Charles Schumer slammed the administration’s junk science-based fishing limits at a meeting this week between NOAA’s Lubchenco and Long Island recreational fishermen. Draconian regulations, he said, according to the New York Post, “put the industry on death’s door.” Now, the same forces behind such job destroyers will have free reign over a national ocean policy established by administrative fiat. Viva la Summer of Wreckovery
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Does somebody need his dosage adjusted? :lol:

Used to be that catching roof run off was the norm. My old farmhouse still has a working cistern with a sand filter for exactly that. I would suggest that you do the same at your new place. :nod:

BTW, with CID1990 in NC, you in TN, me in Egypt, and native in KS, we need about three/four more compounds through CO,UT,NV, and CA to maintain coast to coast communication after the collapse. :geek:
Well, seeing as how any compound on either coast will more than likely be under water once the ice-caps melt, I want a share in the more centrally located compounds. I have valuable skills.

Seriously, water issues are going to become more and more of an issue in the very near future. Already, there is a big battle brewing between Eastern GA and Atlanta over the water in the Savannah River Basin. Atlanta has outgrown it's available water supply and wants to tap into it, the easterners say no way. Not to mention that this will also bring SC into the fight. The governor is on the side of Atlanta and the corporations that are based there. It's going to get interesting.
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Many fisherman, recreational or commercial, are fvcking slobs and fisherman do not police themselves, so if it takes the government to step in to straighten shit out, I applaud it as a necessary function of government.

Kinda like the Savings and Loan and Banking collapses, you dumbfvck Conks. (Conks in charge) couldn't police themselves or act responsibly, so the government had to step in. And, kinda like your poor soldiers sent overseas to clean up shit (mostly Conk generated).

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Great move by the EPA. About time they did this - this should be a nationwide rule.

Arizona has required this for decades. Only makes COMMON SENSE. Keep runoff from swamping sewer systems. Make those developing land pay for the FULL COST of the development.

Of course T-man, like most "capitalists" only want to pay the minimum, and have the government shoulder the rest of the cost.
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Cap'n Cat wrote:Many people are fvcking slobs and people do not police themselves, so if it takes the government to step in to straighten shit out, I applaud it as a necessary function of government.
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The devil's always in the details. Much of what the EPA does is extremely good and worthwhile and necessary - the trouble is sometimes how they go about enforcing it and whether they overextend their reach (and whether they actually end up acheiving the goals and targets they set for themselves in the first place). Still, we need the EPA - there'd be way too many WR Grace's and others in the world without them. :thumb:
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dbackjon wrote:Great move by the EPA. About time they did this - this should be a nationwide rule.

Arizona has required this for decades. Only makes COMMON SENSE. Keep runoff from swamping sewer systems. Make those developing land pay for the FULL COST of the development.

Of course T-man, like most "capitalists" only want to pay the minimum, and have the government shoulder the rest of the cost.
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Considering this thread was started in early March, I do wanna ask something...has Obama banned recreational fishing yet...or was this just another fear mongering issue created by the right?
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∞∞∞ wrote:Considering this thread was started in early March, I do wanna ask something...has Obama banned recreational fishing yet...or was this just another fear mongering issue created by the right?
Yes....we just don't know it yet. However, one of TMan's ex-wive's uncle's brother-in-law is the one that actually drafted the document that Obama signed banning recreational fishing effective 1/1/11. UN will start enforcing this spring.....
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