Let the shit hit the fan...

[JoltinJoe]

You are so wrong. These regimes killed because they were atheists.

Communism is an amoral economic system, nothing more or nothing less. It is objectionable to many not because it is immoral, but because it is inefficient.

People kill because they embrace a moral philosophy which allows such action. Atheism, on a collective, state basis, is a moral philosophy which no finds no overriding importance to any individual life because there is nothing sacred about any individual life. We are products of evolution, nothing more, and certainly not the handiwork of a creator. Thus, collective atheism allows for the taking of life for a so-called "greater cause."

Do the math. They killed because of their moral philosophy, not because of their economics.

God Joe you are an idiot. You're so brainwashed, you just don't, and never will, get it - or more likely - you are not honest. You are a liar.

You're always spouting off about your prodigious knowledge of history, strike that - of everything. Yet you fail to admit that the vast majority of deaths that your fellow idiot Naive cites, were due to disastrous economic, specifically farm and food production programs that produced mass starvation. The best exception being the millions of Jews murdered by Hitler - a result of the catholic church's, and to a lesser extent the protestants, villification of jews for 1900 years. Modern anti-semitism is a catholic creation. MOF, your **** pope apologized for it.

So you think atheism caused the deaths huh? Just like Hitchens says when this tired and desperate accusation sees the light of day, tyranny's roots are in faith, not skepticism. Why the **** do you think fascism and communism got their start in the most religious (germany, italy and russia) of nations.

Again:



Still waiting for the church's.

You are a parrot who just repeats things you find on twisted and deceitful websites.

That you keep posting the same lies, even after they are proven to be lies, is disturbing. But that's what the anti-Catholic bigots do. They just keep repeating the same lies over and over, until they convince the feeble-minded that these things are true.

Your chief source for what you think is a drunk who writes for Vanity Fair. (Vanity Fair ). Yes, please cite more Christopher Hitchens.



You have no idea what a concordat is, but the existence of a concordat between the Vatican and the Third Reich is plain and clear evidence that the Catholic Church in Germany was being oppressed.

Why don't you start another one of your "tedious" threads? You've lost yet again here (which is not surprising because you keep arguing the same points you've lost previously).

[JoltinJoe]

Maybe, but he has previously stated the canard that Communist states killed because they were Communists, not because they were atheists. So maybe I'm reading that into what he's saying.

native,
You're a first class dolt. They killed because they were paranoid scumbags, not be3cause they were Commies or atheists.

Really, Cap, it's shameful that you just won't own up to this.

People kill because their moral philosophies allow it; and the moral philosophies of Pol Pot, Lenin, and Mao were infused by their atheism.

It's an insult to people's intelligence for you to suggest otherwise. These regimes killed because they were atheists (precisely as Dostoevsky predicted and Nietzsche speculated).

[D1B]

native,
You're a first class dolt. They killed because they were paranoid scumbags, not be3cause they were Commies or atheists.

Really, Cap, it's shameful that you just won't own up to this.

People kill because their moral philosophies allow it; and the moral philosophies of Pol Pot, Lenin, and Mao were infused by their atheism.

It's an insult to people's intelligence for you to suggest otherwise. These regimes killed because they were atheists (precisely as Dostoevsky predicted and Nietzsche speculated).

Poor Dodger Joe! - completely sideswipes and dodges the disastrous effects of forced collectivisation and chinese and russian farm programs that caused millions to lose their lives. Dodger, you also fail to acknowledge the patently evil history of your church - I suppose the wonderful moral philosophy of the fucking catholics had nothing to do with the Crusades, slavery, the inquisitions, advocacy of world wide torture, the subjection and mistreatment of women and the industrial scale rape of millions of children, mostly boys by catholic priests, bishops, cardinals and popes -and the fucking cover up

Tyranny and oppression have their roots in faith. The worlds worst governments rose from the world most religious nations. Dodger, ANYONE can witness this to this day in the Middle East. While very secular nations (Sweden, etc.) enjoy the highest standards of living, peace and tolerance. Dodger, you're stupid or a liar. I believe the latter.


The Concordat - Gods gift to the atheist : The catholic church partners with Hitler.




What churches were they? Who were all those priests? We're still waiting?

[JoltinJoe]

The link I provided earlier to the document directing the excommunication of the Nazis in 1931 is posted on the website of the Pave the Way Foundation, a non-denominational, non-religious organization dedicated to promoting truth and understanding between faiths.

Pave The Way was founded by a Jewish man named Gary Krupp, who up to recent years despised the name of Pius XII. But as he began to research Pius XII's activities during World War II, he was astonished to find how many lies were being circulated about the Catholic Church and the Holocaust, and how facts to the contrary were readily available to persons willing to do a little research (in comparison to writers like Christoper Hitchens).

Pave the Way's research emboldened the Church to canonize Pius XII in December 2009. The word is now getting out, thanks to Pave the Way. The myths being told about the Catholic Church in this thread are dying myths and will be reserved to only the most ardent anti-Catholic bigots within a few years, due to Pave the Way.

It is abundantly clear now that anyone who would repeat here that the Catholic Church never excommunicated Hitler or other Nazi leaders are knowingly telling a lie.

Krupp tells his story here.

http://barhama.com/PAVETHEWAY/worldover2.html

For those who want the truth:

http://www.ptwf.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[AZGrizFan]

Jesus, I can't WAIT for football season to start.

[Cap'n Cat]

Jesus, I can't WAIT for football season to start.

[JoltinJoe]

Football season isn't going to stop him. He does this year round.

[Cap'n Cat]

Football season isn't going to stop him. He does this year round.

Yeah, well, Joe, you're not exactly running away from the shit, either. You are the bloodied crusader defending that shit, come hell or high water. Or football season.

[JoltinJoe]

Football season isn't going to stop him. He does this year round.

Yeah, well, Joe, you're not exactly running away from the ****, either. You are the bloodied crusader defending that ****, come hell or high water. Or football season.

I never start any of these threads. I only respond. Pardon me of my tolerance for bold-face falsehoods isn't high.

If no one ever started these threads, you wouldn't even know I am a Catholic.

[Skjellyfetti]

I never start any of these threads. I only respond. Pardon me of my tolerance for bold-face falsehoods isn't high.

BULLSHIT.

Tolerant Atheists Steal Court-Sanctioned Cross
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=15455" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

DA Sex Abuse Scandal: Secrecy and DA Directives
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=14408" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NY Times, Sort Of, Corrects Its Story
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=14381" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

100 Million Lives Exterminated By Atheist Mass Murder
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=14270" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Shroud of Turin Update
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9514" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sorry JJ, but my tolerance for bold-face falsehoods isn't high.

[JoltinJoe]

I never start any of these threads. I only respond. Pardon me of my tolerance for bold-face falsehoods isn't high.

BULLSHIT.

Tolerant Atheists Steal Court-Sanctioned Cross
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=15455" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

DA Sex Abuse Scandal: Secrecy and DA Directives
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=14408" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NY Times, Sort Of, Corrects Its Story
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=14381" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

100 Million Lives Exterminated By Atheist Mass Murder
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=14270" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Shroud of Turin Update
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9514" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sorry JJ, but my tolerance for bold-face falsehoods isn't high.

Each one of these threads (some of which go back several months or even nearly a year) was started in response to an existing thread, and all but one were obvious parodies of existing threads started by D1B (much like the current thread started by Ivytalk about "Embittered Ex-Catholics).

(Let me help you with that word: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/parody).

Again, you are not very good on substance but excellent at taking things out-of-context. You would rather make a point rather than be right.

let's go back to the beginning here.

You said Hitler remained a Catholic and was never excommunicated. Let us hear you admit, now that you have seen the actual directive to the contrary, that you were wrong. Say it. I dare you.

You posted pictures claiming to show Hitler with Catholic clergy and in Catholic churches. Let us hear you admit that you were wrong.

If you won't admit that you were wrong, then it is obvious that you are here just trying to pass off lies as truth.

[D1B]

BULLSHIT.

Tolerant Atheists Steal Court-Sanctioned Cross
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=15455" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

DA Sex Abuse Scandal: Secrecy and DA Directives
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=14408" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NY Times, Sort Of, Corrects Its Story
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=14381" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

100 Million Lives Exterminated By Atheist Mass Murder
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=14270" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Shroud of Turin Update
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9514" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sorry JJ, but my tolerance for bold-face falsehoods isn't high.

Each one of these threads (some of which go back several months or even nearly a year) was started in response to an existing thread, and all but one were obvious parodies of existing threads started by D1B (much like the current thread started by Ivytalk about "Embittered Ex-Catholics).

(Let me help you with that word: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/parody).

Again, you are not very good on substance but excellent at taking things out-of-context. You would rather make a point rather than be right.

let's go back to the beginning here.

You said Hitler remained a Catholic and was never excommunicated. Let us hear you admit, now that you have seen the actual directive to the contrary, that you were wrong. Say it. I dare you.

You posted pictures claiming to show Hitler with Catholic clergy and in Catholic churches. Let us hear you admit that you were wrong.

If you won't admit that you were wrong, then it is obvious that you are here just trying to pass off lies as truth.

Joe, no one trusts you. You're the Dodger and the Liar. Hitler was catholic until his death and no subsequent Vatican cover ups, bullshit fabrications, typical catholic falsehoods, lies or propaganda to cover it's horrible mistakes will help your argument.

Also, again, nice Dodge. Your cowardice is Pius-like.

What churches were they?

[Skjellyfetti]

You said Hitler remained a Catholic and was never excommunicated. Let us hear you admit, now that you have seen the actual directive to the contrary, that you were wrong. Say it. I dare you.

You posted pictures claiming to show Hitler with Catholic clergy and in Catholic churches. Let us hear you admit that you were wrong.

If you won't admit that you were wrong, then it is obvious that you are here just trying to pass off lies as truth.

I left that discussion because it devolved into a retarded semantic argument.

I haven's seen the actual directive to the contrary, JJ. You posted some crap from a Catholic propaganda website (http://churchinhistory.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;).

I find it really really odd that none of the best biographies on Hitler or the Third Reich mention the excommunication of Hitler. Maybe it's a conspiracy against Catholics. But, I doubt it.

[Grizalltheway]

Yeah, well, Joe, you're not exactly running away from the ****, either. You are the bloodied crusader defending that ****, come hell or high water. Or football season.

I never start any of these threads. I only respond. Pardon me of my tolerance for bold-face falsehoods isn't high.

If no one ever started these threads, you wouldn't even know I am a Catholic.

I know it's hard to tell at this point, but this thread had nothing to do with Nazis, Catholics, or Pol Pot originally. I knew you'd come running as soon as Jelly posted those pics, though.

[D1B]

BULLSHIT.

Tolerant Atheists Steal Court-Sanctioned Cross
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=15455" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

DA Sex Abuse Scandal: Secrecy and DA Directives
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=14408" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NY Times, Sort Of, Corrects Its Story
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=14381" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

100 Million Lives Exterminated By Atheist Mass Murder
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=14270" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Shroud of Turin Update
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9514" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sorry JJ, but my tolerance for bold-face falsehoods isn't high.

Each one of these threads (some of which go back several months or even nearly a year) was started in response to an existing thread, and all but one were obvious parodies of existing threads started by D1B (much like the current thread started by Ivytalk about "Embittered Ex-Catholics).
.

And you got your ass handed to you in those too. Say, who stole the cross?

Tyranny and the human impulse for totalitarainism and disatrous utopian political systems/religions are rooted in faith, not skeptecism.

The concordat.

[JoltinJoe]

You said Hitler remained a Catholic and was never excommunicated. Let us hear you admit, now that you have seen the actual directive to the contrary, that you were wrong. Say it. I dare you.

You posted pictures claiming to show Hitler with Catholic clergy and in Catholic churches. Let us hear you admit that you were wrong.

If you won't admit that you were wrong, then it is obvious that you are here just trying to pass off lies as truth.

I left that discussion because it devolved into a retarded semantic argument.

I haven's seen the actual directive to the contrary, JJ. You posted some crap from a Catholic propaganda website (http://churchinhistory.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). And you posted a document in German and Latin from another Catholic propaganda website that I can't read, so I have no idea what it says... But, I do know that the word "Hitler" doesn't appear in the document.

I find it really really odd that none of the best biographies on Hitler or the Third Reich mention the excommunication of Hitler. Maybe it's a conspiracy against Catholics. But, I doubt it.

You haven't read any books about Hitler and the Third Reich, so how would you know? You didn't even know Germany annexed Austria in March 1938.

So you will continue to spread lies. I knew it.

PS -- Neither website I referenced is a Catholic propaganda site. You simply have no capacity to be honest.

[JoltinJoe]

Each one of these threads (some of which go back several months or even nearly a year) was started in response to an existing thread, and all but one were obvious parodies of existing threads started by D1B (much like the current thread started by Ivytalk about "Embittered Ex-Catholics).

(Let me help you with that word: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/parody).

Again, you are not very good on substance but excellent at taking things out-of-context. You would rather make a point rather than be right.

let's go back to the beginning here.

You said Hitler remained a Catholic and was never excommunicated. Let us hear you admit, now that you have seen the actual directive to the contrary, that you were wrong. Say it. I dare you.

You posted pictures claiming to show Hitler with Catholic clergy and in Catholic churches. Let us hear you admit that you were wrong.

If you won't admit that you were wrong, then it is obvious that you are here just trying to pass off lies as truth.

Joe, no one trusts you. You're the Dodger and the Liar. Hitler was catholic until his death and no subsequent Vatican cover ups, bullshit fabrications, typical catholic falsehoods, lies or propaganda to cover it's horrible mistakes will help your argument.

Also, again, nice Dodge. Your cowardice is Pius-like.

What churches were they?

Blah, blah. No one trusts you. Blah, Blah. You have been proven wrong again and yet you refuse to admit it.

[JoltinJoe]

I never start any of these threads. I only respond. Pardon me of my tolerance for bold-face falsehoods isn't high.

If no one ever started these threads, you wouldn't even know I am a Catholic.

I know it's hard to tell at this point, but this thread had nothing to do with Nazis, Catholics, or Pol Pot originally. I knew you'd come running as soon as Jelly posted those pics, though.

And I knew once D1B posted some anti-Catholic bigotry, you would be right there washing his balls with admiration.

[D1B]

I left that discussion because it devolved into a retarded semantic argument.

I haven's seen the actual directive to the contrary, JJ. You posted some crap from a Catholic propaganda website (http://churchinhistory.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). And you posted a document in German and Latin from another Catholic propaganda website that I can't read, so I have no idea what it says... But, I do know that the word "Hitler" doesn't appear in the document.

I find it really really odd that none of the best biographies on Hitler or the Third Reich mention the excommunication of Hitler. Maybe it's a conspiracy against Catholics. But, I doubt it.

You haven't read any books about Hitler and the Third Reich, so how would you know? You didn't even know Germany annexed Austria in March 1938.

So you will continue to spread lies. I knew it.

PS -- Neither website I referenced is a Catholic propaganda site. You simply have no capacity to be honest.

Classic Joltinian surrender when he tells you how many books you havent read!

Nice one Dodger!

[Skjellyfetti]

JoltinJoe seems pretty angry. It must be exhausting being the first line of defense for Catholicism on the internet. Poor guy.

[JoltinJoe]

JoltinJoe seems pretty angry. It must be exhausting being the first line of defense for Catholicism on the internet. Poor guy.

Angry?

It's already noted that you were proven wrong TWICE in this thread and yet won't admit it.

Typical, stubborn ass.

[AZGrizFan]

Jesus, I can't WAIT for football season to start.

At the risk of repeating myself, let me repeat myself:

JESUS, I can't WAIT for football season to start.

[Grizalltheway]

I know it's hard to tell at this point, but this thread had nothing to do with Nazis, Catholics, or Pol Pot originally. I knew you'd come running as soon as Jelly posted those pics, though.

And I knew once D1B posted some anti-Catholic bigotry, you would be right there washing his balls with admiration.

Speaking of spreading falsehoods, care to point out exactly where I did that in this thread?

[JoltinJoe]

Hysterical that your denial includes the limitation "in this thread."

"[C]are to point out exactly where I did that in this thread?"

That's an admission that you've done it in other threads. Good for you.

This is a denial:

"Care to point out exactly where I did that?"

[Grizalltheway]

Hysterical that your denial includes the limitation includes the limitation "in this thread."

"[C]are to point out exactly where I did that in this thread?"

That's an admission that you've done it in other threads. Good for you.

This is a denial:

"Care to point out exactly where I did that?"

At the risk of parroting D1B , this isn't court, Joe. Get the fuck over yourself.