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GrizFan5 wrote:Self-defense is not murder. It is self-defense, and it is permitted and perfectly legal. I am surprised that there are people, and apparently Montanans, who don't believe in self-defense. Montana seems like a self-defense and gun rights state.

Wilson had had no prior charges or arrests, at least in Missoula, prior to the matter in CA, according to the Missoulian. His behavior and downtown Missoula behavior must have been fine, or fine enough, if he'd never been arrested or charged with anything.

The gun stuff was a persistent unsubstantiated rumor, and had no merit.

Wilson's aunt had been beaten unconscious with a hammer. In some areas of the country, the first instinct of a black person or minority, is not necessarily to call the police. Going to a relative's defense seems perfectly normal and understandable to me, and defending oneself when somebody comes after you with a gun certainly makes perfect sense and is perfectly legal.

Its not self defense when you drive somewhere to a confrontation.

He pulled a gun in downtown Missoula, I saw the "first one", its not a rumor it happened ask the Msla police. department.
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Grizalltheway wrote:
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I don't believe he said "Montana fans". :twocents: :twocents:
Point taken. I still don't think his argument makes any sense.
I'm with Grizall on this one. I didn't get it either.

Hell, I didn't get gf5's thing either since it looked to me like the vast majority on here were glad for JW and thankful that he get's a chance to move forward. WGAF I thought then, let em' see whatever they want to in it. :thumb:
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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:[

Its not self defense when you drive somewhere to a confrontation.

He pulled a gun in downtown Missoula, I saw the "first one", its not a rumor it happened ask the Msla police. department.
Self-defense is self-defense. It doesn't matter where or how it occurs, as long as it's self-defense. If a guy comes at you with an assault rifle, and you grab the barrel and defend yourself, it's self-defense. That's why a jury vote 12-0 to acquit and a prior jury voted 11-1 to acquit.

There were no gun things reported to the police. Ask the athletic department.

The administration and athletic department did their homework on this one, and they obviously don't believe the junk reported by crazies on the Internet.
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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:

Its not self defense when you drive somewhere to a confrontation.
So does that mean that if a friend and/or relative is under attack that you wouldn't come to their aid?..because of some type of misdirected 'self-interest' on your part that says, by inclination, which has no moral content by the way, that you're not defending anybody, man, woman or child, no matter what, while you hide under your bed? Your friendship would be quite meaningless now wouldn't it? Too bad that throughout recorded history such things as treaties (read contracts sacred in a court of law) between nations for mutual defense (read United Nations & NATO, plus the Allies during WWII), let alone the 'Social Contract' have ever been enacted. Otherwise, you'd have a valid argument persuasive to augment your cowardice while courage is a virtue.

You sound like one of those that wouldn't bother to come to the aid of a Kitty Genovese either; no matter what. Don't worry. You relate to me what to think of you and how to treat you. I wouldn't bother coming to your aid either.
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Touching story and interesting comments, both here and on egriz. Still, I don't think even the Ducks have a person on their roster who has been acquitted for murder. Maybe there are standards in Eugene after all.

I'm trying to find some good in this but I still go back to what I've heard even going back to the era of the Jail Blazers here in Portland. If you are a professional athlete, or striving to be a professional athlete, you conduct yourself in a professional way which includes staying away from instances that might get you in trouble. He knew there was trouble and he went anyway.

As for the team, the same team that would not testify on this kid's behalf and now welcomes him with open arms, Pflugrad was an assistant under Bellotti who was an expert at sweeping things under the rug and hoping they would go away. If it walks like a Duck, and talks like a Duck...well, you know. Someone should remind Pflugrad what happens when things blow up like they did this spring in Eugene. As Kelly found out with Blount last year, how a first year coach deals with the first hint of trouble will usually define his discipline role towards the team. Is this how Pflugrad wants his role to be defined?

I hope that nothing happens and he does become a productive player for the Griz. But if it does happen, these things tend to snowball as the Ducks found out.
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Jalmond, what is meant by this curious comment of yours?

"the same team that would not testify on this kid's behalf and now welcomes him with open arms"
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Well if Montana did in fact turn their back on Jimmy when he was in need then they are trying to make amends now by offering him a chance to graduate and get a degree.

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By FRITZ NEIGHBOR of the Missoulian

Lost in Jimmy Wilson's surprising return to the Montana Grizzlies, behind the hung jury in 2008 and then finally the acquittal in 2009 for the death of Fred Smoot, is that he hasn't put on football pads in a while.

It's been three years and change.

Perhaps lost behind that is the fact that Wilson, however rusty he may be when he reports to fall camp in August, is getting a second chance at more than football.

"What he really needs to do is get his damn degree," former UM coach Bobby Hauck said Tuesday. "He's not very far away."

Jim Foley, UM's executive vice president, said Monday that Wilson has three semesters left for his bachelor's. But he was on good academic footing when he left Missoula in 2007, when he was already an All-American candidate at cornerback and before he was incarcerated for the next two years.

Maybe it won't take that long for a refocused young man - Wilson turns 24 on July 30, which made him barely 18 when he entered his first fall camp with the Griz - to get that degree.

His return could be celebrated a scant nine months from now, if it isn't already. When Wilson left, it was amid a dark cloud that brought charges of roguish behavior before Smoot's death in Lancaster, Calif.

Most of it was after the fact, none of it stuck and, some asked, why we were bringing Wilson down anyway? Of course in reality he was a star who in three seasons garnered more positive publicity then Kroy Biermann had at the same point in his Griz career.

Biermann capped that career with the Buck Buchanan Award, and I'll say it here: Wilson was that good. It was rare when he did not do something remarkable in a game. A big hit here, a blocked field goal return there, an interception return.

Whether he can be that good again is one question.

"Have you ever played basketball after not playing for three years?" one person close to the situation asks. "You don't make your shots, you don't jump as high..."

"It'll be interesting to see how that part of it comes out," added Hauck. "He's a good player. He can help. But that's definitely part of the equation."

Not many figured Montana was going to be where Wilson made his comeback.

"I actually thought he was going to Central Washington," said Hauck. "But how many credits will transfer over - those are things that come into play."

Wilson contacted UM early this year and athletic director Jim O'Day, associate AD Jean Gee and new coach Robin Pflugrad got the waiver process going. The NCAA granted Wilson his senior year last week.

Now we wait and see. We don't know how good Wilson will be, or if he'll grant an interview. We do know he's getting a second chance and that many, many eyes will be watching how he does on the field and off.

Yet it's hard to doubt someone who has, according to Los Angeles County statistics, beaten 49 to 1 odds against acquittal. In light of that, pick-sixes and mortar boards seem very possible.

He has some important people in his corner, like Pflugrad and UM President George Dennison.

And Hauck. He'll be watching, too.

"He's not some freshman anymore," Hauck noted. "He's an adult, and he has to do things the right way."

Odds are he will, or UM wouldn't have worked so hard to bring him back.
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I'm glad JW is getting another chance. He was defending himself aginst a scumbag that deserved to be killed in the first place. I can't even belive they wasted tax payer money having those trials and keeping JW in jail, they should have thanked him for getting rid of that POS person and sent him on his way back to Missoula. I don't know anything about what may or may not have happened while he was in Missoula but he just spent two years in jail for something he wasn't guilty of doing. I would say whatever he has done that two years was enough punishment. The bottomline is he deserves another chance and I'm happy that the ncaa and the University of Montana are giving it to him.
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GrizFan5 wrote:Jalmond, what is meant by this curious comment of yours?

"the same team that would not testify on this kid's behalf and now welcomes him with open arms"
"Quenton Freeman refused to testify. Investigators had traveled to Missoula in the weeks after the incident, finding no cooperation from Freeman, or anyone else on Montana's football team."---Roman Stubbs, "Montana Kaimin" 2-19-10.

Just sounds to me like they left him high and dry in Lancaster.
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flgriz wrote:I'm glad JW is getting another chance. He was defending himself aginst a scumbag that deserved to be killed in the first place. I can't even belive they wasted tax payer money having those trials and keeping JW in jail, they should have thanked him for getting rid of that POS person and sent him on his way back to Missoula. I don't know anything about what may or may not have happened while he was in Missoula but he just spent two years in jail for something he wasn't guilty of doing. I would say whatever he has done that two years was enough punishment. The bottomline is he deserves another chance and I'm happy that the ncaa and the University of Montana are giving it to him.
I'm sorry, but no one, no matter how much of a POS they are, deserves to be killed. Everyone is entitled to their day in court and have a jury decide who is right and who is a POS. I think you are a making a rash judgment without full access to all the facts.

Also, playing college athletics is a privilege and not a right. No one "deserves" a chance to play any college athletics, whether first, second, third or whatever, they earn it.
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JALMOND wrote:
GrizFan5 wrote:Jalmond, what is meant by this curious comment of yours?

"the same team that would not testify on this kid's behalf and now welcomes him with open arms"
"Quenton Freeman refused to testify. Investigators had traveled to Missoula in the weeks after the incident, finding no cooperation from Freeman, or anyone else on Montana's football team."---Roman Stubbs, "Montana Kaimin" 2-19-10.

Just sounds to me like they left him high and dry in Lancaster.
How the hell did they leave him high & dry? That quote says "investigators" and that means the cops that were looking to charge him with murder correct? If they were not cooperating with them then it would look to me that were trying to help JW. But the real fact of the matter is that QF was the only guy on the team that was there when it happened. What could the other team mates have possibly offered to either side?

You got some real strange logic going here Almond.
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Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:
JALMOND wrote:
"Quenton Freeman refused to testify. Investigators had traveled to Missoula in the weeks after the incident, finding no cooperation from Freeman, or anyone else on Montana's football team."---Roman Stubbs, "Montana Kaimin" 2-19-10.

Just sounds to me like they left him high and dry in Lancaster.
How the hell did they leave him high & dry? That quote says "investigators" and that means the cops that were looking to charge him with murder correct? If they were not cooperating with them then it would look to me that were trying to help JW. But the real fact of the matter is that QF was the only guy on the team that was there when it happened. What could the other team mates have possibly offered to either side?

You got some real strange logic going here Almond.
No kidding. In one hand he says that no one deserves to be killed, but then his logic says that the guy should've been allowed to kill JW. Did JW deserve to be killed?
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JALMOND wrote:
flgriz wrote:I'm glad JW is getting another chance. He was defending himself aginst a scumbag that deserved to be killed in the first place. I can't even belive they wasted tax payer money having those trials and keeping JW in jail, they should have thanked him for getting rid of that POS person and sent him on his way back to Missoula. I don't know anything about what may or may not have happened while he was in Missoula but he just spent two years in jail for something he wasn't guilty of doing. I would say whatever he has done that two years was enough punishment. The bottomline is he deserves another chance and I'm happy that the ncaa and the University of Montana are giving it to him.
I'm sorry, but no one, no matter how much of a POS they are, deserves to be killed. Everyone is entitled to their day in court and have a jury decide who is right and who is a POS. I think you are a making a rash judgment without full access to all the facts.

Also, playing college athletics is a privilege and not a right. No one "deserves" a chance to play any college athletics, whether first, second, third or whatever, they earn it.
Any mother fucker that pulls a gun on you with the intent to use it on you and then gets shot in a struggle over the weapon while you are trying to save your own life or the life of someone else most fucking certainly deserves to die. I thought the evidence suggested that the perpetrator may have fired the gun himself in the struggle so it was his decision to die that day either way when he introduced the weapon.

Where did anybody say anything about playing football being a right? I just don't get wtf you are going for here? He does deserve another chance because he earned it already and circumstances took it away from him on something that he was found not guilty of. He was an innocent man in this case and therefore he deserves to complete his original chance that he duly earned in the first place.
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tampa_griz wrote:
Ursus A. Horribilis wrote: How the hell did they leave him high & dry? That quote says "investigators" and that means the cops that were looking to charge him with murder correct? If they were not cooperating with them then it would look to me that were trying to help JW. But the real fact of the matter is that QF was the only guy on the team that was there when it happened. What could the other team mates have possibly offered to either side?

You got some real strange logic going here Almond.
No kidding. In one hand he says that no one deserves to be killed, but then his logic says that the guy should've been allowed to kill JW. Did JW deserve to be killed?
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Yeah, I was typing up my response to that one while you were putting this up ahead of me.

J is normally pretty easy to follow logically so I don't know wtf is going on here cuz it'a a huge mess of conflicting nonsense and that ain't his M.O.
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JALMOND wrote:
GrizFan5 wrote:Jalmond, what is meant by this curious comment of yours?

"the same team that would not testify on this kid's behalf and now welcomes him with open arms"
"Quenton Freeman refused to testify. Investigators had traveled to Missoula in the weeks after the incident, finding no cooperation from Freeman, or anyone else on Montana's football team."---Roman Stubbs, "Montana Kaimin" 2-19-10.

Just sounds to me like they left him high and dry in Lancaster.
Okay, now I understand your comment, Jalmond. However, you misinterpreted this poorly worded statement from the article.

When the LA investigators came to Missoula, they were looking for evidence against Wilson. Freeman and others wouldn't speak to the investigators, from what I read. Freeman had a lawyer by that time, and was presumably advised not to talk to the investigators. I assume this all was a benefit to Wilson, as the investigators would have been looking for negative stuff on Wilson. At the first trial, the prosecution didn't call Freeman to testify, presumably because they were afraid he would support Wilson. The defense didn't call him, because he was in jail at the time (and prosecutors will often bring jailed witnesses to court in jail garb and shackles for their testimony). This doesn't look good to the jury, who may think the defendant must be a criminal or at least hang out with criminals. So neither side called Freeman. I don't know what occurred in this regard in the second trial.

Except for some jackasses on the Internet, some of whom were involved with run-ins with Wilson and other players around Missoula, support for Wilson has been quite high since his acquittal and the recent announcement. Support in the athletic dept and among the coaches (most but not all of whom are now at UNLV), there has always been good support for him. Wilson's first d-back coach at UM is still on the staff at UM, and his other UM d-back coach, Tim Hauck, visited Wilson in jail several times. Hauck was at UCLA for a year, before going to be the secondary coach of the Titans.
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Geeze Jalmond. A guy comes at you with a gun. You grab it and a struggle ensues. While you are fighting the guy for your own life the gun discharges and one of you is shot dead. Hmmmm.... anybody else see this on TV shows their entire lives about a thousand times and the guy defending his life never goes to jail.
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It seems I've ruffled a few feathers. What I was trying to do was provide an objective view on this situation, sitting 500 miles away and having dealt with the Jail Blazers episode all the way to the circumstances in Eugene this past spring. Let me try to clear some of my points...

1. To me, an investigator is just that, someone who comes in to "investigate" what happened impartially, with no input as to who was right and who was wrong. If it was the prosecution or the defense, that is something totally different (and does change the flavor of the story). My apologies if this aspect was common knowledge around Missoula as I only had the two writeups to go by. But when it is stated that the Montana football team did not cooperate with investigators, an objective question has to be "Why?".

2. If there was truly an intent on Smoot to kill Wilson, why didn't Smoot shoot Wilson from the garage? Why did he wait until they were virtually toe to toe, close enough for Wilson to grab the gun? Conveniently missing from the stories is what happened in the course of Smoot leaving the garage and confronting Wilson. Granted Wilson had an unusual way of defusing the situation, by repeatedly yelling "Why are you doing this to my family" (something that I certainly would not do). Given these instances, I would think that it is quite possible that Smoot had the gun to scare Wilson and there was never any intention of using it. Obviously, this point can be hotly debated.

3. There is a reason why criminal cases are tried in the courts and not through the many media outlets available these days, and that is the hysteria that it can create through the ardent followers. Maybe, by the way people are feeling about this, perhaps I should watch my back. In order to justify Wilson's actions that day, Smoot was tried and convicted and sentenced to death for pissing on Wilson's aunt. Is that a fair judgment?

4. As I've pointed out many times before, playing college athletics, hell even going to college is a privilege and not a right. If it was a right, everyone would go to college. No one "deserves" to go, it is something that is "earned". We could debate for a long time if Wilson has earned an opportunity to play college football. But one thing I think we all can agree on is, with all that Wilson has gone through, he has earned his opportunity to continue his education and get his degree.

I thought the Kaimin article was fair towards all involved and not skewed one way or another. I also thought Fritz's followup on Wilson coming back to this current Griz team was also good (Fritz is a great asset to Big Sky football in general). I never wrote, nor was it my intent to imply, that Wilson deserved to die at the hands of Smoot. It was truly an unfortunate set of circumstances that resulted in Wilson losing two years of his life and Smoot losing his whole life. If you still think that Smoot deserved to die, without the benefit of facing these charges in court, then I do feel sorry for you. I've heard that, whenever a life is taken by your hands, whether directly or indirectly, that is something you live with your whole life. For that reason, I am glad that Wilson has such a strong support system within the Griz family.
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JALMOND wrote:It seems I've ruffled a few feathers. What I was trying to do was provide an objective view on this situation, sitting 500 miles away and having dealt with the Jail Blazers episode all the way to the circumstances in Eugene this past spring. Let me try to clear some of my points...

1. To me, an investigator is just that, someone who comes in to "investigate" what happened impartially, with no input as to who was right and who was wrong. If it was the prosecution or the defense, that is something totally different (and does change the flavor of the story). My apologies if this aspect was common knowledge around Missoula as I only had the two writeups to go by. But when it is stated that the Montana football team did not cooperate with investigators, an objective question has to be "Why?".

2. If there was truly an intent on Smoot to kill Wilson, why didn't Smoot shoot Wilson from the garage? Why did he wait until they were virtually toe to toe, close enough for Wilson to grab the gun? Conveniently missing from the stories is what happened in the course of Smoot leaving the garage and confronting Wilson. Granted Wilson had an unusual way of defusing the situation, by repeatedly yelling "Why are you doing this to my family" (something that I certainly would not do). Given these instances, I would think that it is quite possible that Smoot had the gun to scare Wilson and there was never any intention of using it. Obviously, this point can be hotly debated.

3. There is a reason why criminal cases are tried in the courts and not through the many media outlets available these days, and that is the hysteria that it can create through the ardent followers. Maybe, by the way people are feeling about this, perhaps I should watch my back. In order to justify Wilson's actions that day, Smoot was tried and convicted and sentenced to death for pissing on Wilson's aunt. Is that a fair judgment?

4. As I've pointed out many times before, playing college athletics, hell even going to college is a privilege and not a right. If it was a right, everyone would go to college. No one "deserves" to go, it is something that is "earned". We could debate for a long time if Wilson has earned an opportunity to play college football. But one thing I think we all can agree on is, with all that Wilson has gone through, he has earned his opportunity to continue his education and get his degree.

I thought the Kaimin article was fair towards all involved and not skewed one way or another. I also thought Fritz's followup on Wilson coming back to this current Griz team was also good (Fritz is a great asset to Big Sky football in general). I never wrote, nor was it my intent to imply, that Wilson deserved to die at the hands of Smoot. It was truly an unfortunate set of circumstances that resulted in Wilson losing two years of his life and Smoot losing his whole life. If you still think that Smoot deserved to die, without the benefit of facing these charges in court, then I do feel sorry for you. I've heard that, whenever a life is taken by your hands, whether directly or indirectly, that is something you live with your whole life. For that reason, I am glad that Wilson has such a strong support system within the Griz family.
Thing is you are still posing questions that were, I'm quite sure hotly debated by two very well informed people that do this sort of thing for a living. They presented what they thought happened in that garage and that driveway to a jury in the way they saw it all going down. Your angle is that of the prosecutor's...and 23-1 in two separate instances the facts of the case fell toward JW's side.

Anything you say, can and will be used against you. If you are innocent of something then the worst thing you can do is give investigators anything that could be used against you. Prosecutor's are arm in arm with the investigator's whether you want to believe that or not.
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Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:
JALMOND wrote:It seems I've ruffled a few feathers. What I was trying to do was provide an objective view on this situation, sitting 500 miles away and having dealt with the Jail Blazers episode all the way to the circumstances in Eugene this past spring. Let me try to clear some of my points...

1. To me, an investigator is just that, someone who comes in to "investigate" what happened impartially, with no input as to who was right and who was wrong. If it was the prosecution or the defense, that is something totally different (and does change the flavor of the story). My apologies if this aspect was common knowledge around Missoula as I only had the two writeups to go by. But when it is stated that the Montana football team did not cooperate with investigators, an objective question has to be "Why?".

2. If there was truly an intent on Smoot to kill Wilson, why didn't Smoot shoot Wilson from the garage? Why did he wait until they were virtually toe to toe, close enough for Wilson to grab the gun? Conveniently missing from the stories is what happened in the course of Smoot leaving the garage and confronting Wilson. Granted Wilson had an unusual way of defusing the situation, by repeatedly yelling "Why are you doing this to my family" (something that I certainly would not do). Given these instances, I would think that it is quite possible that Smoot had the gun to scare Wilson and there was never any intention of using it. Obviously, this point can be hotly debated.

3. There is a reason why criminal cases are tried in the courts and not through the many media outlets available these days, and that is the hysteria that it can create through the ardent followers. Maybe, by the way people are feeling about this, perhaps I should watch my back. In order to justify Wilson's actions that day, Smoot was tried and convicted and sentenced to death for pissing on Wilson's aunt. Is that a fair judgment?

4. As I've pointed out many times before, playing college athletics, hell even going to college is a privilege and not a right. If it was a right, everyone would go to college. No one "deserves" to go, it is something that is "earned". We could debate for a long time if Wilson has earned an opportunity to play college football. But one thing I think we all can agree on is, with all that Wilson has gone through, he has earned his opportunity to continue his education and get his degree.

I thought the Kaimin article was fair towards all involved and not skewed one way or another. I also thought Fritz's followup on Wilson coming back to this current Griz team was also good (Fritz is a great asset to Big Sky football in general). I never wrote, nor was it my intent to imply, that Wilson deserved to die at the hands of Smoot. It was truly an unfortunate set of circumstances that resulted in Wilson losing two years of his life and Smoot losing his whole life. If you still think that Smoot deserved to die, without the benefit of facing these charges in court, then I do feel sorry for you. I've heard that, whenever a life is taken by your hands, whether directly or indirectly, that is something you live with your whole life. For that reason, I am glad that Wilson has such a strong support system within the Griz family.
Thing is you are still posing questions that were, I'm quite sure hotly debated by two very well informed people that do this sort of thing for a living. They presented what they thought happened in that garage and that driveway to a jury in the way they saw it all going down. Your angle is that of the prosecutor's...and 23-1 in two separate instances the facts of the case fell toward JW's side.

Anything you say, can and will be used against you. If you are innocent of something then the worst thing you can do is give investigators anything that could be used against you. Prosecutor's are arm in arm with the investigator's whether you want to believe that or not.
I respect your opinion, Ursus, always have, as well as most of the Griz posters on this site and AGS. You all are very passionate about your teams, yet always applaud fair play and objectivity. After hearing all the facts in the case, there still were some jurors who thought Wilson was guilty (4 then 2 then finally 1). If the verdict was not unanimous in court, you have to expect that not everyone would agree here, and that obviously we all would have a lively debate about it. Bottom line, Wilson has earned his opportunity to graduate and get his degree. If that involves playing football, so be it.

When you struggle with someone over a loaded gun, three things happen when it goes off. Either the bullet goes through you, or your foe, or misses both of you entirely. Only one of those things can be considered "good", the other two are very unfortunate.
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Can agree with all that J. Thing is that even with the 4,2, 1 thing I have to go along with the fact the vast majority that sat and heard the facts believed what he did was just.

I'm willing to believe them and go along with it as I would have been if the table were turned and the exact opposite had occurred.
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http://missoulian.com/news/local/articl ... 002e0.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Couldn't even make it to fall practices before something came up. Awesome!
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Silenoz wrote:http://missoulian.com/news/local/articl ... 002e0.html

Couldn't even make it to fall practices before something came up. Awesome!

I'd call this guy, an unwanted distraction. Needs to be given an apple and a roadmap.
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What a waste of a second chance.
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Sounds like the citation is bogus and will likely be dropped. No one complained or wants to press charges. Isn't necessarily even tied to Wilson. Sounds like an accidental tooth mark in a girl's leg involving 6 people riding home in a small car.
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