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putter wrote:The only way to get those payouts is to play the Washington's, Colorado's, and Oregon's of the world but, in doing that, you get your payday but also get a good beatdown
Sometimes, but not always.

September 6, 2008 - The Eagles led 21-7 at halftime, 21-14 heading into the fourth quarter and were still ahead by a touchdown after Felipe Macias' 52-yard field goal gave them a 24-17 lead with four minutes remaining. Cornerback Cha'pelle Brown picked off a pass and returned it 27 yards to break a 24-24 tie with less than two minutes left. EWU 24, Colorado 31.
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EWURanger wrote:
putter wrote:The only way to get those payouts is to play the Washington's, Colorado's, and Oregon's of the world but, in doing that, you get your payday but also get a good beatdown
Sometimes, but not always.

September 6, 2008 - The Eagles led 21-7 at halftime, 21-14 heading into the fourth quarter and were still ahead by a touchdown after Felipe Macias' 52-yard field goal gave them a 24-17 lead with four minutes remaining. Cornerback Cha'pelle Brown picked off a pass and returned it 27 yards to break a 24-24 tie with less than two minutes left. EWU 24, Colorado 31.
You might also want to add Montana and Appy to that list. Has putter already forgotten the Griz' Pac-10 wins and Appy's takedown of Michigan?
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GrizFan5 wrote:For the prior poster who was trying to do some calculations of how much revenue App St made per home game. This is a quote from a recent article, in a Missoula newspaper, regarding an interview with Montana's AD.

"Football ticket sales currently bring in roughly $4.2 million, the highest among championship subdivision teams and more than double Appalachian State's second-ranked total,...."
READ THIS AGAIN - there are NO standards for reporting revenue to these "sources".

Facts:
ASU averages 24K total, no more than 10K are students and free tickets (likely only 8K). All tickets are $27 a piece, grass, 50 yard line, upper deck, etc. There are 650 club seats at $500 a piece, and 15 suites sold which are $25K a piece.

I'll let you "try" and do the math and tell me how $2.1M is an accurate number. They aren't allocating the club and box seats to this reported amount. Open your eyes Montana fan, what you read, especially related to athletic revenues and budgets are very difficult to compare. The math is simple, yet you choose to ignore it.
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Saint3333 wrote:
GrizFan5 wrote:For the prior poster who was trying to do some calculations of how much revenue App St made per home game. This is a quote from a recent article, in a Missoula newspaper, regarding an interview with Montana's AD.

"Football ticket sales currently bring in roughly $4.2 million, the highest among championship subdivision teams and more than double Appalachian State's second-ranked total,...."
READ THIS AGAIN - there are NO standards for reporting revenue to these "sources".

Facts:
ASU averages 24K total, no more than 10K are students and free tickets (likely only 8K). All tickets are $27 a piece, grass, 50 yard line, upper deck, etc. There are 650 club seats at $500 a piece, and 15 suites sold which are $25K a piece.

I'll let you "try" and do the math and tell me how $2.1M is an accurate number. They aren't allocating the club and box seats to this reported amount. Open your eyes Montana fan, what you read, especially related to athletic revenues and budgets are very difficult to compare. The math is simple, yet you choose to ignore it.
I think it's funny that some posters refuse to recognize facts. App St has reported its ticket sales figures to two sources, and those figures have been reported publicly. Why can't you face the facts? Don't give us your BS about attendance and ticket price, when you don't know the facts and don't know what you're talking about.

The category is football ticket sale revenue. Ticket sales are ticket sales. They are not suites, except for the tickets included in the suites. They are not additional amounts paid to the university or foundations as tax deductions.

All of App St's tickets are not $27. Looking on the website, one can see that there are lower cost tickets for seniors and kids. Were App St's tickets less than $27 in prior years. The proper math is probably in your post. Take 14,000 times say an average cost of $25, and your get $350,000 per game. 6 games times $350,000 equals $2.1 million. Jeez, if you would just stop being so stubborn and stupid, do the calculation based on your own assumptions, and the figure of $2.1 million comes up.

By the way, why don't you tell us some more about what the DOE requires, and don't require, regarding the reporting of stats? You act like your all-knowledgeable, so why don't you educate us. Please use a link to a real source. Your making up stuff is not a credible source.
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Already stated the facts and did the math of what total ticket revenue is at ASU, which would include club seats and boxes - that money is real for SEATS.

I acknowledged the $2.1 million was non-club and box seats, simply stating those revenues should be counting if you're doing a apples vs. apples comparison. Reading comprehensive must be difficult for you.
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Saint3333 wrote:Already stated the facts and did the math of what total ticket revenue is at ASU, which would include club seats and boxes - that money is real for SEATS.

I acknowledged the $2.1 million was non-club and box seats, simply stating those revenues should be counting if you're doing a apples vs. apples comparison. Reading comprehensive must be difficult for you.
The comparison already is apples to apples. Montana's figures include only its ticket sales. They don't include additional suites or club seats, except for the portion that is allocated to the actual seats/tickets.

What don't think is apples to apples? It appears to me that you are the one who wants to compare apples to organges.
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The $2.1 million amount excludes the seat portion of the club and box seats to make this an apples to apples comparison. I really didn't think this what that difficult to understand.

The club seats require a $2,500 donation to the Yosef Club and the ticket for each SEAT is $500 a season.
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Saint3333 wrote:The $2.1 million amount excludes the seat portion of the club and box seats to make this an apples to apples comparison. I really didn't think this what that difficult to understand.

The club seats require a $2,500 donation to the Yosef Club and the ticket for each SEAT is $500 a season.
First of all, where's your source that says the $2.1 million figure excludes the seat portion of club and box seats? I doubt that that is accurate.

Second, how many club seats and box seats are there in the stadium?
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500 club seats, 18 suites
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You're messing with me right, you did the math yourself at 14K with an average ticket price of $25 for 6 games would be $2.1 million. There is no AP source, just simple math. You know that ASU average 25K per game and no more than 10K of those tickets are students or other free tickets.

The suites and club seats (just for the seat purchase not donation to the Yosef club for the right to purchase tickets or seats) bring in $700+K a year.

For the $2.1 million to include the box and clubseat ticket revenue that would mean ASU would only average ~9K paying fans in attendance at an average price of $25 a piece. To hopefully avoid further confusion and help you with the math that would be $1.4 million ($2.1M less the 700K from above) divided by 6 games divided by $25. Now if you truely believe that that is what ASU brings in that is fine. I believe we've both beat this into the ground and I will continue to be skeptical of your figures your "sources" have been provided (which isn't clear on what revenue is and is not included) and you will continue to ignore a logical calculation of ticket revenue.
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GrizFan5 wrote:
Saint3333 wrote:The $2.1 million amount excludes the seat portion of the club and box seats to make this an apples to apples comparison. I really didn't think this what that difficult to understand.

The club seats require a $2,500 donation to the Yosef Club and the ticket for each SEAT is $500 a season.
First of all, where's your source that says the $2.1 million figure excludes the seat portion of club and box seats? I doubt that that is accurate.

Second, how many club seats and box seats are there in the stadium?
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Saint3333 wrote:You're messing with me right, you did the math yourself at 14K with an average ticket price of $25 for 6 games would be $2.1 million. There is no AP source, just simple math. You know that ASU average 25K per game and no more than 10K of those tickets are students or other free tickets.

The suites and club seats (just for the seat purchase not donation to the Yosef club for the right to purchase tickets or seats) bring in $700+K a year.

For the $2.1 million to include the box and clubseat ticket revenue that would mean ASU would only average ~9K paying fans in attendance at an average price of $25 a piece. To hopefully avoid further confusion and help you with the math that would be $1.4 million ($2.1M less the 700K from above) divided by 6 games divided by $25. Now if you truely believe that that is what ASU brings in that is fine. I believe we've both beat this into the ground and I will continue to be skeptical of your figures your "sources" have been provided (which isn't clear on what revenue is and is not included) and you will continue to ignore a logical calculation of ticket revenue.
I've done further research. App St doesn't average $25 per revenue seat. There's a special $2 assessment per ticket. There's the cost of the ticket printing and ticket selling. Kids tickets are $17. There are reduced ticket prices for seniors and faculty. In addition, I just don't believe that "seating" on the grass and standing room seats are $27.

Where's your source for saying App St has at least 14,000 of revenue seats?

It is just not true that the suites and club seats bring in $700,000 per year--beyond donations to the Yosef fund.
If you look on the App St website, you will see that 80% of the payments beyond the actual costs of the tickets, parking passes, etc. are tax deductible, and presumably payments to the App St foundation. This is an IRS rule. This deduction would include most of the cost of the suites.

Again, below is what App St reported to the federal government under Football Revenue. Where do you think they "hid" any other football revenue? (Of course, the Yosef and other tax deductible revenues are not considered to be football revenues, as I assume no school would include donations to such funds and foundations to be either ticket or football revenue.) I just don't know why you question the figures supplied by App St and its athletic department.

"Football Revenue includes $507,946 directly related to the NCAA Playoff games; ticket revenue of $1,947,004; game guarantees of $550,000 and concessions and programs revenues of $228,163"
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GrizFan5 wrote: I just don't believe that "seating" on the grass and standing room seats are $27.

:-| :roll: :ohno:

They are, dude. I bought them for all the games I attended last year.
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Read the last line of my post again griz5, my numbers are solid, I'm done carry on if you wish.
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Saint3333 wrote:Read the last line of my post again griz5, my numbers are solid, I'm done carry on if you wish.
I take this as an admission that you don't know what you're talking about.

I thought it was funny that, without specific information, you were disputing the official numbers from App St.

Like I've said, I have never understand how some people can't admit that the facts are facts, and not what they think. I also chuckle when posters fight facts coming out of their own school. There are alot of Montana fans like that too.
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grizzaholic wrote:GrizFan5 is NOT a representation of Griz Fans. We are not like this.
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SuperHornet wrote:
EWURanger wrote:
Sometimes, but not always.

September 6, 2008 - The Eagles led 21-7 at halftime, 21-14 heading into the fourth quarter and were still ahead by a touchdown after Felipe Macias' 52-yard field goal gave them a 24-17 lead with four minutes remaining. Cornerback Cha'pelle Brown picked off a pass and returned it 27 yards to break a 24-24 tie with less than two minutes left. EWU 24, Colorado 31.
You might also want to add Montana and Appy to that list. Has putter already forgotten the Griz' Pac-10 wins and Appy's takedown of Michigan?
No, I haven't forgot. However, I also remember Montana's game against Iowa 41-7 and the kicking the Griz got from Oregon where we lost what, 2 or 3 guys to injury????
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While you guys argue over the price of box tickets and Montana playing the Pac-10, reality just goes on. In March Montana's AD, O'Day, did an interview with the Montana Kaimin in which he pointed out that Montana's hurting, and cutting into their reserves. The only way out that he could see was to cut out of state scholarships. As it is, he pointed out, Montana already puts 4.5 million into athletics and more than a million comes from student fees.. 4.3 million, he said, comes in from football. Another alternative, he added, would be to move to another division, either down to D-II [!] or up. Both are possible.

The argument over whether to schedule one or two Big Guys may be moot; Montana may be playing all Big Guys - or all Little Guys. Say it ain't so!
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frinq wrote:While you guys argue over the price of box tickets and Montana playing the Pac-10, reality just goes on. In March Montana's AD, O'Day, did an interview with the Montana Kaimin in which he pointed out that Montana's hurting, and cutting into their reserves. The only way out that he could see was to cut out of state scholarships. As it is, he pointed out, Montana already puts 4.5 million into athletics and more than a million comes from student fees.. 4.3 million, he said, comes in from football. Another alternative, he added, would be to move to another division, either down to D-II [!] or up. Both are possible.

The argument over whether to schedule one or two Big Guys may be moot; Montana may be playing all Big Guys - or all Little Guys. Say it ain't so!
Yes, that was fairly widely discussed a couple months back. The money management is either god damn terrible at UM or we are being played as fools. If you want to go FBS and think it's gonna be some windfall then whatever but to say that we are in danger when we are by all accounts the leading money maker in this division is just a little too stupid.

What you do is you give two options. One that the fan base will not go for, and one that although kind of split amongst the fans is still the better option.
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