A Double Dog Dare to the Libs

[oldsloguy]

In thread after thread interesting how liberals and particularly liberal members of Congress believe that CEO’s and Wall Street greed are at the root every problem that exists. The government of course is pure, no corruption and needs to be expanded. I’ve put this in several posts over time with nary a response from the liberals. So I will now Double Dog Dare You to take this issue on: Democrats loot of Fannie Mae!!! Is that not an accurate description of what happened! Is this bigger or smaller than Wall Street Greed!

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysi ... oot+fannie" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blog ... e-mac.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sam Johnson earned $21 million in just his last year serving as Fannie Mae CEO from 1991 to 1998; Raines earned $90 million in his five years as Fannie Mae CEO, from 1999 to 2004; and Gorelick earned an estimated $26 million serving as vice chair of Fannie Mae from 1998 to 2003, according to author David Frum, a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. How much did Daniel Mudd and Rahm Emanuel loot the place for?

I expect more silence! Why?

[kalm]

In thread after thread interesting how liberals and particularly liberal members of Congress believe that CEO’s and Wall Street greed are at the root every problem that exists. The government of course is pure, no corruption and needs to be expanded. I’ve put this in several posts over time with nary a response from the liberals. So I will now Double Dog Dare You to take this issue on: Democrats loot of Fannie Mae!!! Is that not an accurate description of what happened! Is this bigger or smaller than Wall Street Greed!

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysi ... oot+fannie" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blog ... e-mac.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sam Johnson earned $21 million in just his last year serving as Fannie Mae CEO from 1991 to 1998; Raines earned $90 million in his five years as Fannie Mae CEO, from 1999 to 2004; and Gorelick earned an estimated $26 million serving as vice chair of Fannie Mae from 1998 to 2003, according to author David Frum, a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. How much did Daniel Mudd and Rahm Emanuel loot the place for?

I expect more silence! Why?

Yep, government sponsored corporatism is bad too.

[oldsloguy]

Yep, government sponsored corporatism is bad too.

All well and good. So why are Libs always ragging on the private sector while turning a blind eye as their own favorite politicians are openly and brazenly looting the place? Why?

Well, one answer is that some of their supporters receive spoils. The UAW got ownership of GM as well as taxpayer funded health and pension benefits. Expect more corruption to come. That’s understandable.

What is not understandable is the Lib in the street. Why do they ignore these things and just blame private “Corporations”?

[kalm]

Yep, government sponsored corporatism is bad too.

All well and good. So why are Libs always ragging on the private sector while turning a blind eye as their own favorite politicians are openly and brazenly looting the place? Why?

Well, one answer is that some of their supporters receive spoils. The UAW got ownership of GM as well as taxpayer funded health and pension benefits. Expect more corruption to come. That’s understandable.

What is not understandable is the Lib in the street. Why do they ignore these things and just blame private “Corporations”?

Because the private sector, especially large multinational corporations, are just as, if not more greedy and manipulative of the market than quasi-government entities and unions. If you want me to admit naivete on behalf of liberals I will, but then you should probably admit to the average conk ignorance of greed and monopoly as well.

Government is at least supposed to be for all of the people, private corporations make no such promises.

[native]

Dang I am glad to see you on the poli boad, OSL!

The quality and thoughtfulness of your post was well worth the wait!

[native]

All well and good. So why are Libs always ragging on the private sector while turning a blind eye as their own favorite politicians are openly and brazenly looting the place? Why?

Well, one answer is that some of their supporters receive spoils. The UAW got ownership of GM as well as taxpayer funded health and pension benefits. Expect more corruption to come. That’s understandable.

What is not understandable is the Lib in the street. Why do they ignore these things and just blame private “Corporations”?

Because the private sector, especially large multinational corporations, are just as, if not more greedy and manipulative of the market than quasi-government entities and unions. If you want me to admit naivete on behalf of liberals I will, but then you should probably admit to the average conk ignorance of greed and monopoly as well.

Government is at least supposed to be for all of the people, private corporations make no such promises.

You were almost right about the lib response, Old SLO Guy. All you got, even from the normally verbose kalm, was a deflection!

[kalm]

Because the private sector, especially large multinational corporations, are just as, if not more greedy and manipulative of the market than quasi-government entities and unions. If you want me to admit naivete on behalf of liberals I will, but then you should probably admit to the average conk ignorance of greed and monopoly as well.

Government is at least supposed to be for all of the people, private corporations make no such promises.

You were almost right about the lib response, Old SLO Guy. All you got, even from the normally verbose kalm, was a deflection!

Oh you know me Nate, I'm far more driven by conk hypocrisy than donk ideology. If the Republican party wasn't so full of ignorant turds, I'd probably vote a straight conk ticket.

[Appaholic]

You were almost right about the lib response, Old SLO Guy. All you got, even from the normally verbose kalm, was a deflection!

Oh you know me Nate, I'm far more driven by conk hypocrisy than donk ideology. If the Republican party wasn't so full of ignorant turds, I'd probably vote a straight conk ticket.

Agree...

[D1B]

You were almost right about the lib response, Old SLO Guy. All you got, even from the normally verbose kalm, was a deflection!

Oh you know me Nate, I'm far more driven by conk hypocrisy than donk ideology. If the Republican party wasn't so full of ignorant turds, I'd probably vote a straight conk ticket.

Exactly, OSG just found out what most of the long-timers here already knew - there really aint any "liberal" or "Conks" for that matter, here.

Practically everyone here is a fiscal conservative/social liberal to some degree. Unfortunately, because of the two party system, we are faced with making a choice between voting morals and voting checkbook, depending on the candidate. Fuck.

We all are pathetic. Please vote 3rd party or at least take a look and learn about them.

[houndawg]

In thread after thread interesting how liberals and particularly liberal members of Congress believe that CEO’s and Wall Street greed are at the root every problem that exists. The government of course is pure, no corruption and needs to be expanded. I’ve put this in several posts over time with nary a response from the liberals. So I will now Double Dog Dare You to take this issue on: Democrats loot of Fannie Mae!!! Is that not an accurate description of what happened! Is this bigger or smaller than Wall Street Greed!

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysi ... oot+fannie" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blog ... e-mac.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sam Johnson earned $21 million in just his last year serving as Fannie Mae CEO from 1991 to 1998; Raines earned $90 million in his five years as Fannie Mae CEO, from 1999 to 2004; and Gorelick earned an estimated $26 million serving as vice chair of Fannie Mae from 1998 to 2003, according to author David Frum, a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. How much did Daniel Mudd and Rahm Emanuel loot the place for?

I expect more silence! Why?

Your post is in error, amigo. David Frum is not a fellow of the American Enterprise. They fired him for criticizing Republicans in an article titled "Republican Waterloo" (which, btw, is posted in this forum and being avoided like the plague by the local conks. I'll bump it for you.) I invite you to:

1) look it up, and
2) read it and weep

But yes, you are correct that they are all greed freaks that deserve to be dragged up and down Wall St. behind a pickup truck. This wouldn't surprise you so much if you got that it's a class thing, not a political party thing.

[GSUhooligan]

All well and good. So why are Libs always ragging on the private sector while turning a blind eye as their own favorite politicians are openly and brazenly looting the place? Why?

Well, one answer is that some of their supporters receive spoils. The UAW got ownership of GM as well as taxpayer funded health and pension benefits. Expect more corruption to come. That’s understandable.

What is not understandable is the Lib in the street. Why do they ignore these things and just blame private “Corporations”?

Because the private sector, especially large multinational corporations, are just as, if not more greedy and manipulative of the market than quasi-government entities and unions. If you want me to admit naivete on behalf of liberals I will, but then you should probably admit to the average conk ignorance of greed and monopoly as well.

Government is at least supposed to be for all of the people, private corporations make no such promises.

Maybe, but you don't have to wait 2, 4 or 6 years to vote those bastards out. You can vote with your dollars every single day.

[Appaholic]

Because the private sector, especially large multinational corporations, are just as, if not more greedy and manipulative of the market than quasi-government entities and unions.

Maybe, but you don't have to wait 2, 4 or 6 years to vote those bastards out. You can vote with your dollars every single day.

Bingo!

[kalm]

Because the private sector, especially large multinational corporations, are just as, if not more greedy and manipulative of the market than quasi-government entities and unions.

Maybe, but you don't have to wait 2, 4 or 6 years to vote those bastards out. You can vote with your dollars every single day.[/quote]

Ever heard of monopolies? Try voting with your dollars against Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Telecom, Big Insurance, etc.

[GSUhooligan]

Maybe, but you don't have to wait 2, 4 or 6 years to vote those bastards out. You can vote with your dollars every single day.

Ever heard of monopolies? Try voting with your dollars against Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Telecom, Big Insurance, etc.

Wanna beat "big oil?" Buy less gas or get a flex fuel car.
Wanna beat "big pharma?" Buy generic
Big telecom? Go outside
Big Insurance? There are still tons of choices and its nowhere near a "Big" like oil or telecom.

It's Donk's beloved "Big Government" that allows them to exist. If "Big Government" wasn't in bed with all of these fvcks there wouldn't be "Big anything".

We already saw today that Obama's new drill policy will only help "Big Oil." Bush and Clinton's ignorance of nuclear energy is a direct result of their love affair with big oil.
Big Pharma loves the new healthcare bill... http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/03/29-8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[kalm]

Ever heard of monopolies? Try voting with your dollars against Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Telecom, Big Insurance, etc.

Wanna beat "big oil?" Buy less gas or get a flex fuel car.
Wanna beat "big pharma?" Buy generic
Big telecom? Go outside
Big Insurance? There are still tons of choices and its nowhere near a "Big" like oil or telecom.

It's Donk's beloved "Big Government" that allows them to exist. If "Big Government" wasn't in bed with all of these fvcks there wouldn't be "Big anything".

We already saw today that Obama's new drill policy will only help "Big Oil." Bush and Clinton's ignorance of nuclear energy is a direct result of their love affair with big oil.
Big Pharma loves the new healthcare bill... http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/03/29-8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Conks love them some big governement too. They just talk a good game.

And yes, I patronize independently owned and small busninesses as much as possible, and all of the other well intentioned souls that do the same don't add up to even a drop in the bucket. Big business is certainly not about to be kept in check by conscientious shoppers.

[oldsloguy]

Because the private sector, especially large multinational corporations, are just as, if not more greedy and manipulative of the market than quasi-government entities and unions.

Maybe, but you don't have to wait 2, 4 or 6 years to vote those bastards out. You can vote with your dollars every single day.

Ever heard of monopolies? Try voting with your dollars against Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Telecom, Big Insurance, etc.

Come on Kalm, “Big oil” makes about 10 cents a gallon on gasoline. As far as I’m concerned they can rip-me-off all they want at that price. Ah, but I gotta go – head’in down to the hardware store to get some copper tubing and a few stainless steel buckets – gonna start me up some “small oil”. Gonna be rich!!!

[BDKJMU]

Maybe, but you don't have to wait 2, 4 or 6 years to vote those bastards out. You can vote with your dollars every single day.

Ever heard of monopolies? Try voting with your dollars against Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Telecom, Big Insurance, etc.

Come on Kalm, “Big oil” makes about 10 cents a gallon on gasoline. As far as I’m concerned they can rip-me-off all they want at that price. Ah, but I gotta go – head’in down to the hardware store to get some copper tubing and a few stainless steel buckets – gonna start me up some “small oil”. Gonna be rich!!!

You nailed it OLS, Big Govt makes about 3x the profits (an avg of about 50 cents a gallon) in taxes on a gallon of gas than "Big" Oil makes in profits.

[houndawg]

Come on Kalm, “Big oil” makes about 10 cents a gallon on gasoline. As far as I’m concerned they can rip-me-off all they want at that price. Ah, but I gotta go – head’in down to the hardware store to get some copper tubing and a few stainless steel buckets – gonna start me up some “small oil”. Gonna be rich!!!

You nailed it OLS, Big Govt makes about 3x the profits (an avg of about 50 cents a gallon) in taxes on a gallon of gas than "Big" Oil makes in profits.

Yet somehow they manage to struggle onward, just ahead of bankruptcy......

[Appaholic]

You nailed it OLS, Big Govt makes about 3x the profits (an avg of about 50 cents a gallon) in taxes on a gallon of gas than "Big" Oil makes in profits.

Yet somehow they manage to struggle onward, just ahead of bankruptcy......

They seem to manage their 10 cents a gallon more fiscally than the govt manges their 50 cents per gallon...

[native]

Yet somehow they manage to struggle onward, just ahead of bankruptcy......

They seem to manage their 10 cents a gallon more fiscally than the govt manges their 50 cents per gallon...

[houndawg]

Yet somehow they manage to struggle onward, just ahead of bankruptcy......

They seem to manage their 10 cents a gallon more fiscally than the govt manges their 50 cents per gallon...

That's because the military costs of doing business are picked up by us taxpayers.

Privatized profits, socialized risks.

[native]

Oh you know me Nate, I'm far more driven by conk hypocrisy than donk ideology. If the Republican party wasn't so full of ignorant turds, I'd probably vote a straight conk ticket.

Exactly, OSG just found out what most of the long-timers here already knew - there really aint any "liberal" or "Conks" for that matter, here.

Practically everyone here is a fiscal conservative/social liberal to some degree. Unfortunately, because of the two party system, we are faced with making a choice between voting morals and voting checkbook, depending on the candidate. ****.

We all are pathetic. Please vote 3rd party or at least take a look and learn about them.

The communist party is not on my agenda.

[native]

They seem to manage their 10 cents a gallon more fiscally than the govt manges their 50 cents per gallon...

That's because the military costs of doing business are picked up by us taxpayers.

Privatized profits, socialized risks.

That's actually an interesting point, dawg.

[BDKJMU]

They seem to manage their 10 cents a gallon more fiscally than the govt manges their 50 cents per gallon...

That's because the military costs of doing business are picked up by us taxpayers.

Privatized profits, socialized risks.

IF you're statement was true, then that would be more reason to drill over here and lessen the military cost you speak of.

But only about about 10% of our total oil (18% of imports) comes from the Middle East.
43% of our oil comes from the U.S, and the 2 biggest importers to the US are Canada and Mexico. Of the 6 biggest importers, only 1, Saudi, our 4th biggest, is from the Middle East. The military cost of doing business isn't that big, that is, unless you think there's a chance we could go to war with Canada or Mexico.

[houndawg]

That's because the military costs of doing business are picked up by us taxpayers.

Privatized profits, socialized risks.

IF you're statement was true, then that would be more reason to drill over here and lessen the military cost you speak of.

But only about about 10% of our total oil (18% of imports) comes from the Middle East.
43% of our oil comes from the U.S, and the 2 biggest importers to the US are Canada and Mexico. Of the 6 biggest importers, only 1, Saudi, our 4th biggest, is from the Middle East. The military cost of doing business isn't that big, that is, unless you think there's a chance we could go to war with Canada or Mexico.

I'm not saying we shouldn't do a little drilling, I'm saying that it won't lower the price of gas at the pump and if drilling is all we do we're being way short-sighted. Drilling and nuclear should be transitional fuels. Every second, more solar energy falls on the Earth than the entire planet uses in a year.

As for the military cost of doing business: Iraq pretty much negates the contention that it isn't that big. Of course, back in the day, we were told that Iraqi oil would pay for the invasion.