Montana to Face ZERO FBS Teams in next 6 years

[89Hen]

What's those conferences road record at Montana, though? Prob. pretty similiar. From the CAA, I can only think of Hofstra and UMass coming out and posting wins in WaGriz in the whole last decade. SoCon, had Wofford, of course. Just off the top of my head, Montana also dominated UNH multiple times and beat Hofstra (both CAA teams), 2-0 vs. the most dominant team of the decade (App State), literally embarrassed the Southland's champ multiple times (usually SHSU, but also McNeese and Texas State to an extent) in the last decade. SIU, Maine, Cal Poly, SDSU, Georgia Southern all fell at WaGriz and the list goes on...

The thing with road wins is you are the supposed inferior team, so when you get a win it wasn't supposed to happen. I think it speaks volumes for Montana that they don't usually have to travel to CAA teams (or just much at all) till maybe the champ game. Basically, saying they are already the better team...

Ruh-roh, somebody doesn't know their Griz history or I-AA history in general. I'll give your fellow Griz fans a chance to reel you in before I respond too harshly.

[kalm]

Montana earns the right to stay home. They leave it up to the rest of the conference to win road games.

[Silenoz]

Yes.

Who and where?

Over Delaware, 56-0 in the late '90s. It was a disgrace, I can only assume you blacked out and don't remember it

[89Hen]

Montana earns the right to stay home. They leave it up to the rest of the conference to win road games.

Hmmm, you act as if they've never had a road playoff game. This is like Twilight Zone out west.

[89Hen]

Over Delaware, 56-0 in the late '90s. It was a disgrace, I can only assume you blacked out and don't remember it

You could pretend to have road victories I guess.

[Silenoz]

Well all I know is we definitely don't have any over teams that kicked the Blue Hens' sorry asses the last two years

[93henfan]

Well all I know is we definitely don't have any over teams that kicked the Blue Hens' sorry asses the last two years...

My momma can beat up your momma.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Yes.

Who and where?

You can't be serious Hen? I don't know if you're running a game or if you really forgot about the JMU game last year. You're a little too sharp not to remember that so I'll assume this is some sort of launching point for your next talking point.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Anybody from the CAA, SoCon or MVFC. Has Montana ever won a road playoff game? Yet they're able to win the Big Sky year after year after year.

What's those conferences road record at Montana, though? Prob. pretty similiar. From the CAA, I can only think of Hofstra and UMass coming out and posting wins in WaGriz in the whole last decade. SoCon, had Wofford, of course. Just off the top of my head, Montana also dominated UNH multiple times and beat Hofstra (both CAA teams), 2-0 vs. the most dominant team of the decade (App State), literally embarrassed the Southland's champ multiple times (usually SHSU, but also McNeese and Texas State to an extent) in the last decade. SIU, Maine, Cal Poly, SDSU, Georgia Southern all fell at WaGriz and the list goes on...

The thing with road wins is you are the supposed inferior team, so when you get a win it wasn't supposed to happen. I think it speaks volumes for Montana that they don't usually have to travel to CAA teams (or just much at all) till maybe the champ game. Basically, saying they are already the better team...

It wasn't in the last 10 years if that is what you were going for but we did lose a very hard fought game to Delaware in 1993 on a missed xp 49-48. It was a fantastic game other than that as all the scoring was in regulation and it was the classic air vs. ground attack.

Also Darryl Brown.

[putter]

funny how these threads are the same as the millions before. Hen smacks about the weak Big Sky and hides behind the strong CAA excuse. I have yet to hear a quality explanation, like matchups, coaching etc. You can throw stats around all you want but at least Montana has stepped up and played some CAA teams in OOC, both home and away and have scheduled App, McNeese and even ODU in their OOC in the coming years. These lame arguments get old.

[89Hen]

You can't be serious Hen? I don't know if you're running a game or if you really forgot about the JMU game last year. You're a little too sharp not to remember that so I'll assume this is some sort of launching point for your next talking point.

So that's one. 1 and ?

[89Hen]

funny how these threads are the same as the millions before. Hen smacks about the weak Big Sky and hides behind the strong CAA excuse. I have yet to hear a quality explanation, like matchups, coaching etc. You can throw stats around all you want but at least Montana has stepped up and played some CAA teams in OOC, both home and away and have scheduled App, McNeese and even ODU in their OOC in the coming years. These lame arguments get old.

Huh? This is about the weak road record Montana has in the playoffs. Your conference mates have actually fared much better on the road in the playoffs than the Griz have.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

You can't be serious Hen? I don't know if you're running a game or if you really forgot about the JMU game last year. You're a little too sharp not to remember that so I'll assume this is some sort of launching point for your next talking point.

So that's one. 1 and ?

You said "who and where?". I answered your question for you and now you want to ask me another one? The point has already been made that being a road team means that you were not considered to be one of the stronger teams and you are not expected to win those games. Turns out the committee was correct on most of the years the Griz went on the road.

If we do lose on the road it is very likely to be in the semi finals when we are one of the final four teams in the nation playing one of the top two teams in the nation and you are trying to act like some shame should be taken in that?

If we need to feel shame over that then I can't imagine how much shame you must feel as a Hen fan. You can act like the prankster all you want hen but you and I both know that you would trade histories over the last 20 yrs. with the Griz in a fucking instant.

[AZGrizFan]

funny how these threads are the same as the millions before. Hen smacks about the weak Big Sky and hides behind the strong CAA excuse. I have yet to hear a quality explanation, like matchups, coaching etc. You can throw stats around all you want but at least Montana has stepped up and played some CAA teams in OOC, both home and away and have scheduled App, McNeese and even ODU in their OOC in the coming years. These lame arguments get old.

Huh? This is about the weak road record Montana has in the playoffs. Your conference mates have actually fared much better on the road in the playoffs than the Griz have.

Is NOT!

It's about Montana playing FBS schools.


Fuckin' thread hijacker.

[89Hen]

You said "who and where?". I answered your question for you and now you want to ask me another one? The point has already been made that being a road team means that you were not considered to be one of the stronger teams and you are not expected to win those games. Turns out the committee was correct on most of the years the Griz went on the road.

If we do lose on the road it is very likely to be in the semi finals when we are one of the final four teams in the nation playing one of the top two teams in the nation and you are trying to act like some shame should be taken in that?

I asked at least three times what the Griz's road record was. I know it's abysmal, but I don't know the exact number. Nobody would answer, so I went the route of asking if there were any. Yes, I did forget the JMU just last year (it wasn't a memorable year for Hen fans). What is the road record, 1-6ish? Teams DO win on the road ALL THE TIME in the playoffs... just not the Griz.

[AZGrizFan]

You said "who and where?". I answered your question for you and now you want to ask me another one? The point has already been made that being a road team means that you were not considered to be one of the stronger teams and you are not expected to win those games. Turns out the committee was correct on most of the years the Griz went on the road.

If we do lose on the road it is very likely to be in the semi finals when we are one of the final four teams in the nation playing one of the top two teams in the nation and you are trying to act like some shame should be taken in that?

I asked at least three times what the Griz's road record was. I know it's abysmal, but I don't know the exact number. Nobody would answer, so I went the route of asking if there were any. Yes, I did forget the JMU just last year (it wasn't a memorable year for Hen fans). What is the road record, 1-6ish? Teams DO win on the road ALL THE TIME in the playoffs... just not the Griz.

We beat Marshall IN Marshall in 1995.

[89Hen]

Fuckin' thread hijacker.

Takes one to know one. BTW...

[AZGrizFan]

You said "who and where?". I answered your question for you and now you want to ask me another one? The point has already been made that being a road team means that you were not considered to be one of the stronger teams and you are not expected to win those games. Turns out the committee was correct on most of the years the Griz went on the road.

If we do lose on the road it is very likely to be in the semi finals when we are one of the final four teams in the nation playing one of the top two teams in the nation and you are trying to act like some shame should be taken in that?

I asked at least three times what the Griz's road record was. I know it's abysmal, but I don't know the exact number. Nobody would answer, so I went the route of asking if there were any. Yes, I did forget the JMU just last year (it wasn't a memorable year for Hen fans). What is the road record, 1-6ish? Teams DO win on the road ALL THE TIME in the playoffs... just not the Griz.

You don't get to count road wins against MVC teams.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

You said "who and where?". I answered your question for you and now you want to ask me another one? The point has already been made that being a road team means that you were not considered to be one of the stronger teams and you are not expected to win those games. Turns out the committee was correct on most of the years the Griz went on the road.

If we do lose on the road it is very likely to be in the semi finals when we are one of the final four teams in the nation playing one of the top two teams in the nation and you are trying to act like some shame should be taken in that?

I asked at least three times what the Griz's road record was. I know it's abysmal, but I don't know the exact number. Nobody would answer, so I went the route of asking if there were any. Yes, I did forget the JMU just last year (it wasn't a memorable year for Hen fans). What is the road record, 1-6ish? Teams DO win on the road ALL THE TIME in the playoffs... just not the Griz.

You really think that I'm gonna fall that old bannana in the tail pipe trick? I guess you see yourself as some master gamesman on this or something but I ain't your rube brother. You know that are record is bad on the road because I've seen you post it over and over so this feigning ignorance on the matter ain't gonna fly.

Do we agree that the Griz are getting home games by playing within the same rules as everyone else and sometimes even because they are a top four seed?

If we agree on that then would we also agree that in the years that we were a road team we were of lesser stature than the team that hosted us because of these same reasons?

So if we are 2-6 in road games then we would be at a win percentage of 33% correct? You say that "road teams win ALL THE TIME' but I would be interested to see what the average is for everybody else in the road games. Is it better than 33#? If so then we are coming up short, if not then your point is pretty futile.

Let me know how we compare with the rest of the division on this one point that you are clinging to as a life raft.

[89Hen]

Do we agree that the Griz are getting home games by playing within the same rules as everyone else and sometimes even because they are a top four seed?

No. Of course not. Montana, Delaware, GSU, McNeese... don't get home games by playing within the same rules as everyone else. Attendance gets those teams home games many years when they are the 9-16th best team in the field. Ask SIU how it was to be in the top 3 in GPI in 2003 and being sent to UD for the first round.

I'd have to go through the yearly records to see what UD's road playoff record is. I know they won at Montana, UNI, SIU, W&M, LaTech and Northeast LA... so they're probably better than 33%. I know JMU went 3-0 on the road to Chatty in 2004. I know UMass went 2-0 on the road to Chatty in 1998 and then won in Montana in 2006(?). I know Maine has won at AppSt and McNeese.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Do we agree that the Griz are getting home games by playing within the same rules as everyone else and sometimes even because they are a top four seed?

No. Of course not. Montana, Delaware, GSU, McNeese... don't get home games by playing within the same rules as everyone else. Attendance gets those teams home games many years when they are the 9-16th best team in the field. Ask SIU how it was to be in the top 3 in GPI in 2003 and being sent to UD for the first round.

I'd have to go through the yearly records to see what UD's road playoff record is. I know they won at Montana, UNI, SIU, W&M, LaTech and Northeast LA... so they're probably better than 33%. I know JMU went 3-0 on the road to Chatty in 2004. I know UMass went 2-0 on the road to Chatty in 1998 and then won in Montana in 2006(?). I know Maine has won at AppSt and McNeese.

The rules for the way the playoffs are set up are the same for everyone. They may not be as attainable for some if the fans don't go and support the teams and the schools are not willing to place the bids then they are putting themselves at a distinct disadvantage. The rules are however the same for all and all know how it is done. It can't be helped that this thing has to support itself with money a little bit.

I am not saying that we are gonna be at the top as far as road wins go when compared to all other teams out there individually. That is a comparison between only the best playoff road teams out there. I am saying that 33% is probably a pretty good number when compared with ALL other teams out there as an average.

I would imaging the CAA would have a few teams with records better than 33@. The CAA has good teams that play well on the road, that isn't a mystery to me.

[AZGrizFan]

No. Of course not. Montana, Delaware, GSU, McNeese... don't get home games by playing within the same rules as everyone else. Attendance gets those teams home games many years when they are the 9-16th best team in the field.

The rules for the way the playoffs are set up are the same for everyone. They may not be as attainable for some if the fans don't go and support the teams and the schools are not willing to place the bids then they are putting themselves at a distinct disadvantage. The rules are however the same for all and all know how it is done. It can't be helped that this thing has to support itself with money a little bit.

Montana, UD, GSU, McNeese & App State cheat. They have actual FANS.

[89Hen]

The rules for the way the playoffs are set up are the same for everyone. They may not be as attainable for some if the fans don't go and support the teams and the schools are not willing to place the bids then they are putting themselves at a distinct disadvantage. The rules are however the same for all and all know how it is done. It can't be helped that this thing has to support itself with money a little bit.

Semantics and we're really heading down a different path here. Look, UD is in the exact same boat as Montana as getting preferential treatment, so you and I are on the same side on this one. But the rules were made AFTER the fact really. We used to seed 1 to 16 (there was still a lot of shenanigans even then) but the NCAA decided attendance and bids were more important and that those with highest attendance would get the games.

[AZGrizFan]

The rules for the way the playoffs are set up are the same for everyone. They may not be as attainable for some if the fans don't go and support the teams and the schools are not willing to place the bids then they are putting themselves at a distinct disadvantage. The rules are however the same for all and all know how it is done. It can't be helped that this thing has to support itself with money a little bit.

Semantics and we're really heading down a different path here. Look, UD is in the exact same boat as Montana as getting preferential treatment, so you and I are on the same side on this one. But the rules were made AFTER the fact really. We used to seed 1 to 16 (there was still a lot of shenanigans even then) but the NCAA decided attendance and bids were more important and that those with highest attendance would get the games.

Correction: Those with the highest BIDS would get the game.

[89Hen]

Semantics and we're really heading down a different path here. Look, UD is in the exact same boat as Montana as getting preferential treatment, so you and I are on the same side on this one. But the rules were made AFTER the fact really. We used to seed 1 to 16 (there was still a lot of shenanigans even then) but the NCAA decided attendance and bids were more important and that those with highest attendance would get the games.

Correction: Those with the highest BIDS would get the game.

Again, semantics.