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[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Agreed. I had no idea the FCS was full of so many great programs.


I'm still laughing at NDSU being a 4* FCS program....

Going on the past five years...

MVC...
SIU(50-15)- 5*
UNI(49-16)-5*
NDSU(36-19)- 4*
SDSU(35-22)- 4*
YSU(36-23)- 4*
Ill State(29-28)- 3*
MSU(22-32)- 2.5*
WIU(23-32)-2.5*
Ind State(2-54)- .5*

Not to hack on ya here but anything above a 3 for NDSU right now is a bit ludicrous. You guys have not made the playoffs and are at a 66% win avg in FCS so I don't see how you can be any higher than a 2.5 or 3 at the very most based on your short FCS history.

[FargoBison]

Going on the past five years...

MVC...
SIU(50-15)- 5*
UNI(49-16)-5*
NDSU(36-19)- 4*
SDSU(35-22)- 4*
YSU(36-23)- 4*
Ill State(29-28)- 3*
MSU(22-32)- 2.5*
WIU(23-32)-2.5*
Ind State(2-54)- .5*

Not to hack on ya here but anything above a 3 for NDSU right now is a bit ludicrous. You guys have not made the playoffs and are at a 66% win avg in FCS so I don't see how you can be any higher than a 2.5 or 3 at the very most based on your short FCS history.

A 2.5? So is every program in the Big Sky outside of Montana a 2.5?

I'll say 3.5 if it makes you feel better(simply because we sucked so bad last year), but for two of the past four years NDSU was a top 10 team in the FCS. I guess that counts for nothing...I am not one of those fans that whined about not being able to get into the playoffs those years, but at the same time I am not going to sit around and act like those seasons didn't exist.

[DJH]

Not to hack on ya here but anything above a 3 for NDSU right now is a bit ludicrous. You guys have not made the playoffs and are at a 66% win avg in FCS so I don't see how you can be any higher than a 2.5 or 3 at the very most based on your short FCS history.

A 2.5? So is every program in the Big Sky outside of Montana a 2.5?

yes.

[clenz]

Not to hack on ya here but anything above a 3 for NDSU right now is a bit ludicrous. You guys have not made the playoffs and are at a 66% win avg in FCS so I don't see how you can be any higher than a 2.5 or 3 at the very most based on your short FCS history.

A 2.5? So is every program in the Big Sky outside of Montana a 2.5?

I'll say 3.5 if it makes you feel better(simply because we sucked so bad last year), but for two of the past four years NDSU was a top 10 team in the FCS. I guess that counts for nothing...I am not one of those fans that whined about not being able to get into the playoffs those years, but at the same time I am not going to sit around and act like those seasons didn't exist.

Yes...they are 2.5 star programs in all reality.


NDSU beat up on the Big West Conference...big deal. You havne't dont anyting against real competition. A three star program...tops. I don't want to hear a peep about d2 either.

[FargoBison]

Yes...they are 2.5 star programs in all reality.


NDSU beat up on the Big West Conference...big deal. You havne't dont anyting against real competition. A three star program...tops. I don't want to hear a peep about d2 either.

We did win at Wash-Grizz, we are 3-3 vs the FBS, the Great West was a lot better than you give it credit for being, 44-22 overall record. I didn't even talk about DII.

[FargoBison]

For the Montana fan....

The Big Sky(past five years)

Montana(59-10) 5*
Montana St(35-23) 4*
EWU(33-26) 3.5*
WSU(32-29) 3.5*
NAU(26-29) 3*
PSU(22-33) 2.5*
Sac(20-36) 2*
ISU(12-44) 1*
UNC(10-46) 1*

[clenz]

For the Montana fan....

The Big Sky(past five years)

Montana(59-10) 5*
Montana St(35-23) 4*
EWU(33-26) 3.5*
WSU(32-29) 3.5*
NAU(26-29) 3*
PSU(22-33) 2.5*
Sac(20-36) 2*
ISU(12-44) 1*
UNC(10-46) 1*

It should go like this



Montana(59-10) 5*
Montana St(35-23) 3*
EWU(33-26) 2.5*
WSU(32-29) 2.5*
NAU(26-29) 2.5*
PSU(22-33) 2.*
Sac(20-36) 2*
ISU(12-44) 1*
UNC(10-46) 1*

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

A 2.5? So is every program in the Big Sky outside of Montana a 2.5?

yes.

Agreed most of the other BSC programs are at a 2.5 or 3 at the most and the BSC is traditional (including the last couple of years with NDSU & SDSU) a higher ranked conference than the MVFC. So there again the point is made that it is ludicrous to say that you guys are any higher than a 2.5 or a 3 given some generous looking the other way by the rest of us.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

For the Montana fan....

The Big Sky(past five years)

Montana(59-10) 5*
Montana St(35-23) 4*
EWU(33-26) 3.5*
WSU(32-29) 3.5*
NAU(26-29) 3*
PSU(22-33) 2.5*
Sac(20-36) 2*
ISU(12-44) 1*
UNC(10-46) 1*

It should go like this



Montana(59-10) 5*
Montana St(35-23) 3*
EWU(33-26) 2.5*
WSU(32-29) 2.5*
NAU(26-29) 2.5*
PSU(22-33) 2.*
Sac(20-36) 2*
ISU(12-44) 1*
UNC(10-46) 1*

I'm confused I thought this was historically over the course of the modern day FCS/1AA nomenclature? If that's the case then I think ISU and MSU both have to get a 1/2 pt. bump for winning a NC because WE ALL know how very tough that is to accomplish. You gotta get some street cred for that.

[FargoBison]

I'll just keep this going for the sake of consistency...

SoCon(past five years)
App State(61-12) 5*
Furman(38-22) 4*
Wofford(34-24) 3.5*
Elon(32-25) 3.5*
GSU(29-27) 3*
Citadel(24-32) 2.5*
Samford(24-31) 2.5*
Chatty(18-38) 1*
WCU(12-41) 1*

[clenz]

It should go like this



Montana(59-10) 5*
Montana St(35-23) 3*
EWU(33-26) 2.5*
WSU(32-29) 2.5*
NAU(26-29) 2.5*
PSU(22-33) 2.*
Sac(20-36) 2*
ISU(12-44) 1*
UNC(10-46) 1*

I'm confused I thought this was historically over the course of the modern day FCS/1AA nomenclature? If that's the case then I think ISU and MSU both have to get a 1/2 pt. bump for winning a NC because WE ALL know how very tough that is to accomplish. You gotta get some street cred for that.

Normally I'd agree with you but those were so long ago I have a hard time giving them bumps for them. It's like Michigan to me. I'd love to pound my chest about that title in 97 but it was so long ago that i can't. I mean it's like giving FAMU a bump because of their title or EKU. If the title was more recent maybe. That title keeps ISU from being being below UNC in my eyes. MSU was close to a 3.5 for me though

[clenz]

I'll just keep this going for the sake of consistency...

SoCon(past five years)
App State(61-12) 5*
Furman(38-22) 4*
Wofford(34-24) 3.5*
Elon(32-25) 3.5*
GSU(29-27) 3*
Citadel(24-32) 2.5*
Samford(24-31) 2.5*
Chatty(18-38) 1*
WCU(12-41) 1*

This is why I can't go with a short period. I know I said I can't give credit to Montana State or Idaho State but when you have six titles, most in FCS history, you are well above a three star

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I'll just keep this going for the sake of consistency...

SoCon(past five years)
App State(61-12) 5*
Furman(38-22) 4*
Wofford(34-24) 3.5*
Elon(32-25) 3.5*
GSU(29-27) 3*
Citadel(24-32) 2.5*
Samford(24-31) 2.5*
Chatty(18-38) 1*
WCU(12-41) 1*

This is why I can't go with a short period. I know I said I can't give credit to Montana State or Idaho State but when you have six titles, most in FCS history, you are well above a three star

I don't get past five year period thing at all? I mean I can see that NDSU has a short history and they have to go by what they have but not using the history for the others seems odd.

Now I know you are doing it for your game rating thing so that's cool but I'm talking about it on another level I guess. That explains the differing perspectives on team ratings I guess.

[FargoBison]

I'll just keep this going for the sake of consistency...

SoCon(past five years)
App State(61-12) 5*
Furman(38-22) 4*
Wofford(34-24) 3.5*
Elon(32-25) 3.5*
GSU(29-27) 3*
Citadel(24-32) 2.5*
Samford(24-31) 2.5*
Chatty(18-38) 1*
WCU(12-41) 1*

This is why I can't go with a short period. I know I said I can't give credit to Montana State or Idaho State but when you have six titles, most in FCS history, you are well above a three star

Maybe it isn't... The CAA is a mess...everything kind of fell into place outside of Georgia Southern being a 3* but now the CAA has thrown it into chaos....At least the UR fan can take solace in that their program has evolved into a 5*

CAA
UR(50-17) 5*
UNH(47-17) 5*
Umass(42-19) 4.5*
JMU(41-18) 4.5*
Nova(41-20) 4.5*
UD(31-28) 3.5*
W&M(30-28) 3*
Maine(28-29) 3*
Hofstra(25-31) 2.5*
Towson(21-35) 2*
URI(15-41) 1*
Northeastern(15-41) 1*

[FargoBison]

This is why I can't go with a short period. I know I said I can't give credit to Montana State or Idaho State but when you have six titles, most in FCS history, you are well above a three star

I don't get past five year period thing at all? I mean I can see that NDSU has a short history and they have to go by what they have but not using the history for the others seems odd.

Now I know you are doing it for your game rating thing so that's cool but I'm talking about it on another level I guess. That explains the differing perspectives on team ratings I guess.

I was just trying to set something up so I could quickly evaluate things, the longer the timeframe...the harder things get. 10-15 years is probably best, maybe if I had more time...

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I don't get past five year period thing at all? I mean I can see that NDSU has a short history and they have to go by what they have but not using the history for the others seems odd.

Now I know you are doing it for your game rating thing so that's cool but I'm talking about it on another level I guess. That explains the differing perspectives on team ratings I guess.

I was just trying to set something up so I could quickly evaluate things, the longer the timeframe...the harder things get. 10-15 years is probably best, maybe if I had more time...

i gotcha.

[Clayton]

I don't think this is a "for a" discussion. Sure, Wofford has a good fanbase "for a" school with one of the smallest enrollments in Division 1. There are plenty of reasons to like Wofford. Fan passion just isn't what you do best. Furman had over 10,000 people at all of their home games (except the one against you guys...too long of a trip?). Samford had worse attendance than you but, you're a better program. You've been around longer and you've been successful.

It isn't just about attendance. But, I doubt I'd call your fans "rabid." They're pretty tame. You had App on the ropes this past season but, when our offense was on the field, it was like watching football in a library.

That's my only beef with Wofford. You have been competitive, you have strong academics, you aren't very far away. Honestly, if the rest of your fans cared as much as you, you'd definitely be a 4 star program.

I know Wofford is small. Its not a shot at the quality of the people. But, this isn't a pound for pound discussion.

so what did you mean by "particularly poor fanbase?"

If it wasn't a shot at the people, what was it? a shot at how MANY people? the number of fans a fanbase has does not make a good or bad fanbase.

You clearly didn't know Wofford was small because your 2 posts seem to contradict logic and yourself.

For that matter, if Wofford's fans are so bad that means Furman's and Samford's are HORRIBLE (and I don't want to single y'all out) because in a lot of instances we have shown more passion as a fanbase than they have. (for instance I hear that Furman doesn't get as many fans to the stadium on gameday as they used to. and in '08 when we played Samford we had roughly the same amount of fans there as they did--I know they're smaller but their in Ala-freaking-Bama...not to mention our attendance was roughly the same despite being 3-8)


...anyway back to the thread, I would give us 3.5 stars all time, with 3 stars currently. After '08 I would have put at 4 stars

Coach Experience--Elite
Coach Prestige--Elite
conference prestige--Very Good
Championship contender--Great
Athletic facilities--Elite
Fanbase--good
Pro Factory--average
Program stability--Great
Program Tradition--Very Good
Television exposure--Good

[youngterrier]

I don't think this is a "for a" discussion. Sure, Wofford has a good fanbase "for a" school with one of the smallest enrollments in Division 1. There are plenty of reasons to like Wofford. Fan passion just isn't what you do best. Furman had over 10,000 people at all of their home games (except the one against you guys...too long of a trip?). Samford had worse attendance than you but, you're a better program. You've been around longer and you've been successful.

It isn't just about attendance. But, I doubt I'd call your fans "rabid." They're pretty tame. You had App on the ropes this past season but, when our offense was on the field, it was like watching football in a library.

That's my only beef with Wofford. You have been competitive, you have strong academics, you aren't very far away. Honestly, if the rest of your fans cared as much as you, you'd definitely be a 4 star program.

so what did you mean by "particularly poor fanbase?"

If it wasn't a shot at the people, what was it? a shot at how MANY people? the number of fans a fanbase has does not make a good or bad fanbase.

You clearly didn't know Wofford was small because your 2 posts seem to contradict logic and yourself.

For that matter, if Wofford's fans are so bad that means Furman's and Samford's are HORRIBLE (and I don't want to single y'all out) because in a lot of instances we have shown more passion as a fanbase than they have. (for instance I hear that Furman doesn't get as many fans to the stadium on gameday as they used to. and in '08 when we played Samford we had roughly the same amount of fans there as they did--I know they're smaller but their in Ala-freaking-Bama...not to mention our attendance was roughly the same despite being 3-8)


...anyway back to the thread, I would give us 3.5 stars all time, with 3 stars currently. After '08 I would have put at 4 stars

Coach Experience--Elite
Coach Prestige--Elite
conference prestige--Very Good
Championship contender--Great
Athletic facilities--Elite
Fanbase--good
Pro Factory--average
Program stability--Great
Program Tradition--Very Good
Television exposure--Good

Ok you just lost legitimacy, because I was at that game and I don't know what crowd you were listening to because we were louder than we usually are and just as loud (if not louder) than any other crowd of any other game I've been to, we're not all Kidd Brewers

[JBB]

Not to hack on ya here but anything above a 3 for NDSU right now is a bit ludicrous. You guys have not made the playoffs and are at a 66% win avg in FCS so I don't see how you can be any higher than a 2.5 or 3 at the very most based on your short FCS history.

A 2.5? So is every program in the Big Sky outside of Montana a 2.5?

I'll say 3.5 if it makes you feel better(simply because we sucked so bad last year), but for two of the past four years NDSU was a top 10 team in the FCS. I guess that counts for nothing...I am not one of those fans that whined about not being able to get into the playoffs those years, but at the same time I am not going to sit around and act like those seasons didn't exist.

Ill skip the head-in-hand shot but really FargoBison, you are now an advocate and trying to make the same points I am about NDSU. Tell me again about Bisonville, how they hated others to say what they were about to say, or were already saying themselves.

NDSU is among the largest programs in this division and the largest in the MVFC. It has made a commitment to its athletic department because it sees athletics as an extension of the University and a way to make it grow and build a strong community. Our volleyball team is 31 in national D1 attendance. Our football teams have been competitive for decades. When NDSU rolls into town it is a big game. I give the program 4.5 stars for being what it is.

I give the BISON football team 3 stars for last season. They were a young bunch, 45 freshman, they were in the middle of controversy but still looked like they were the better team against the conferences top teams.

Winning and losing is cyclical. The quality of the program is whats important.

[clenz]

A 2.5? So is every program in the Big Sky outside of Montana a 2.5?

I'll say 3.5 if it makes you feel better(simply because we sucked so bad last year), but for two of the past four years NDSU was a top 10 team in the FCS. I guess that counts for nothing...I am not one of those fans that whined about not being able to get into the playoffs those years, but at the same time I am not going to sit around and act like those seasons didn't exist.

Ill skip the head-in-hand shot but really FargoBison, you are now an advocate and trying to make the same points I am about NDSU. Tell me again about Bisonville, how they hated others to say what they were about to say, or were already saying themselves.

NDSU is among the largest programs in this division and the largest in the MVFC. It has made a commitment to its athletic department because it sees athletics as an extension of the University and a way to make it grow and build a strong community. Our volleyball team is 31 in national D1 attendance. Our football teams have been competitive for decades. When NDSU rolls into town it is a big game. I give the program 4.5 stars for being what it is.

I give the BISON football team 3 stars for last season. They were a young bunch, 45 freshman, they were in the middle of controversy but still looked like they were the better team against the conferences top teams.

Winning and losing is cyclical. The quality of the program is whats important.

UNI's volleyball team was top 15 in attendence, I believe. That has nothing to do with the damn football team. UNI's teams have been competeative for over 2 decades of division one football. I'm sick of hearing about D2. That's like Marshall or BSU bragging about their FCS days to their opponents. It's just dumb

[Sioux]

I give the BISON football team 3 stars for last season. They were a young bunch, 45 freshman, they were in the middle of controversy but still looked like they were the better team against the conferences top teams.

Hold on. JBB, you give NDSU 3 stars for a 3-8 season where your only wins were against Wagner, Indiana St. and Western Illinois? The 3 worst teams on your schedule and 3 of the worst in the country for that matter.

#2 - You stated above that NDSU was "looked like the better team against the top teams in the conference". You have to be out of your bleepin mind! Were you ever even leading in the games against UNI, SIU, or SDSU? This is unreal how delusional members of a fan base can be.

Anyway, back to the point. I would give UND 2 stars right now. The right players are coming in and we will be ready to roll come 2012. We were 6-5 last year but in my world that is 2 stars.

[clenz]

I give the BISON football team 3 stars for last season. They were a young bunch, 45 freshman, they were in the middle of controversy but still looked like they were the better team against the conferences top teams.

Hold on. JBB, you give NDSU 3 stars for a 3-8 season where your only wins were against Wagner, Indiana St. and Western Illinois? The 3 worst teams on your schedule and 3 of the worst in the country for that matter.

#2 - You stated above that NDSU was "looked like the better team against the top teams in the conference". You have to be out of your bleepin mind! Were you ever even leading in the games against UNI, SIU, or SDSU? This is unreal how delusional members of a fan base can be.

Anyway, back to the point. I would give UND 2 stars right now. The right players are coming in and we will be ready to roll come 2012. We were 6-5 last year but in my world that is 2 stars.

I also thought it was odd that a 3-8 record would get a team 3 stars. What would it take for them to get to 5 stars? 5 wins? Being playoff eligible makes them the best team in history?

[Bostonspider]

completely agree
i say UR is prob a 3 star program
3 straight good years but nothing before that

Not sure I agree about the nothing before the last 3 years:

Entered FCS in 1983, Playoffs in 84, 87, 98, 00, 05, 07, 08, 09.

So there have definitely been many ups in downs since the move to I-AA / FCS, but they have certainly had success.

[DJH]

A 2.5? So is every program in the Big Sky outside of Montana a 2.5?

I'll say 3.5 if it makes you feel better(simply because we sucked so bad last year), but for two of the past four years NDSU was a top 10 team in the FCS. I guess that counts for nothing...I am not one of those fans that whined about not being able to get into the playoffs those years, but at the same time I am not going to sit around and act like those seasons didn't exist.

Ill skip the head-in-hand shot but really FargoBison, you are now an advocate and trying to make the same points I am about NDSU. Tell me again about Bisonville, how they hated others to say what they were about to say, or were already saying themselves.

NDSU is among the largest programs in this division and the largest in the MVFC. It has made a commitment to its athletic department because it sees athletics as an extension of the University and a way to make it grow and build a strong community. Our volleyball team is 31 in national D1 attendance. Our football teams have been competitive for decades. When NDSU rolls into town it is a big game. I give the program 4.5 stars for being what it is.

I give the BISON football team 3 stars for last season. They were a young bunch, 45 freshman, they were in the middle of controversy but still looked like they were the better team against the conferences top teams.

Winning and losing is cyclical. The quality of the program is whats important.

Commitment to athletics huh? Where exactly have the bizon had any success in any sport in DI athletics? Your basketball team plays in a freaking class 3A high school gymnasium.

Its more than just football, which you haven't had any success in either.

[Silenoz]

Don't mean to pile on the Bison fans any more, but calling them a top 10 team in 06-07 is debatable, since they did not play a single playoff FCS team. Just my two cents