Diocese of Fairbanks agrees to pay 300 victims of abuse

[OSBF]

put up or STFU

do something about it then

the abusers need to be in prison

allow criminal charges to be brought instead of protecting the monsters

The Church is an oligarchy, OSBF. Ain't nothin' parishiners can do to influence much. Except, maybe, stop feeding collection plate, but then, as an example, your kid will all of a sudden get cut from the CYO basketball team...

BS

we have freedom of religion, go any place you choose and worship freely, without the constant fear that your darling little johnny is gonna take it up the poop chute from father muldowney and people like joe helping protect father muldowney from prosecution.

If you want it to change, it can be changed.

[JoltinJoe]

The Church is an oligarchy, OSBF. Ain't nothin' parishiners can do to influence much. Except, maybe, stop feeding collection plate, but then, as an example, your kid will all of a sudden get cut from the CYO basketball team...

BS

we have freedom of religion, go any place you choose and worship freely, without the constant fear that your darling little johnny is gonna take it up the poop chute from father muldowney and people like joe helping protect father muldowney from prosecution.

If you want it to change, it can be changed.

You are so full of it. Don't project things on me, like I protect molesters from prosecution, just because you've been totally schooled in this debate.


I can be as pointless as you are. Why do you protect bad teachers from prosecution?

[OSBF]

BS

we have freedom of religion, go any place you choose and worship freely, without the constant fear that your darling little johnny is gonna take it up the poop chute from father muldowney and people like joe helping protect father muldowney from prosecution.

If you want it to change, it can be changed.

You are so full of it. Don't project things on me, like I protect molesters from prosecution, just because you've been totally schooled in this debate.


I can be as pointless as you are. Why do you protect bad teachers from prosecution?

deflect rationalize deflect rationalize deflect

[SunCoastBlueHen]

BS

we have freedom of religion, go any place you choose and worship freely, without the constant fear that your darling little johnny is gonna take it up the poop chute from father muldowney and people like joe helping protect father muldowney from prosecution.

If you want it to change, it can be changed.

Freedom of religion means to worship as you choose, and has nothing to do with influencing Catholic doctrine. There truly is not much that can be done by the parishoners to influence that.

I doubt any Catholic on this board wants your fictional Fr. Muldowney to escape prosecution - believe it or not, the dude represents an embarrassment to the major majority of parishoners. Where the problem lies is that the Church, at least in the past, has tried very hard to keep the public (including the parishoners) from finding out about Fr. Muldowney's evil ways. You know, something like that could paint the Church in a bad light and that, according to many Church officials, would be a sin. So, it's best for all that we all pretend these indiscretions simply never happened. Ship Fr. Muldowney 1000 miles away so he can't harm anyone in this parish ever again and everyone is happy. When he harms another kid, let them figure out where to ship him off to next. In return, the victim and the families of the victim are asked to keep quiet, for the benefit of the Church, as the situation has now been "handled".

Catholics have been misled by the Church in this regard more so than the general public. Most Catholics would love to see Fr. Muldowney in jail and would celebrate that conviction.

Catholics, in general, are some of the best people you will ever meet. The Church itself is fucked, though.

[JoltinJoe]

You are so full of it. Don't project things on me, like I protect molesters from prosecution, just because you've been totally schooled in this debate.


I can be as pointless as you are. Why do you protect bad teachers from prosecution?

deflect rationalize deflect rationalize deflect

Let's go back to the essence of this discussion. I cited a peer-reviewed, Oxford University study that concluded, notwithstanding the amount of the attention that the church has received, that the incidence of child abuse by Catholic clergy is certainly no greater than by society as a whole. The principal author of this study is not Catholic.

Do you have a rational, cogent, relevant response to this, citing to equally persuasive objective studies or evidence? (Calling me an enabler of child abusers does not qualify as a response under this standard).

Here's a hint on what you can do: SunCoast said he was aware of the study, but had doubts about the accuracy of it due to his personal experience and observation. Then, there is little I can say, because we cannot debate the accuracy of your own personal perceptions. See, he gave an intelligent response which did not see fit to call me a friend of child abusers.

[OSBF]

Catholics, in general, are some of the best people you will ever meet. The Church itself is fucked, though.

I agree completely, except the "church" has the power and ability to save itself from itself.

The members do have the power to invoke change, because without the members, there can be no church.

[OSBF]

deflect rationalize deflect rationalize deflect

Let's go back to the essence of this discussion. I cited a peer-reviewed, Oxford University study that concluded, notwithstanding the amount of the attention that the church has received, that the incidence of child abuse by Catholic clergy is certainly no greater than by society as a whole. The principal author of this study is not Catholic.

Do you have a rational, cogent, relevant response to this, citing to equally persuasive objective studies or evidence? (Calling me an enabler of child abusers does not qualify as a response under this standard).

Yes, there are sexual predators in all walks of life, true statement.

Sexual abuse of a child by a predator is always bad no matter where it happens or where, true statement.

so far, that's about all you got here. Is that your point? Hell, I gave you that much 20 post ago.

[SunCoastBlueHen]

Catholics, in general, are some of the best people you will ever meet. The Church itself is fucked, though.

I agree completely, except the "church" has the power and ability to save itself from itself.

The members do have the power to invoke change, because without the members, there can be no church.

As long as people keep showing up for Church and donating, and attending the local carnivals, beef and beers, and bingo nights, nothing is going to change. It's all about money. In other words, for Catholics to have any influence on how the Church does things, they would have to stop being Catholics.

[JoltinJoe]

Let's go back to the essence of this discussion. I cited a peer-reviewed, Oxford University study that concluded, notwithstanding the amount of the attention that the church has received, that the incidence of child abuse by Catholic clergy is certainly no greater than by society as a whole. The principal author of this study is not Catholic.

Do you have a rational, cogent, relevant response to this, citing to equally persuasive objective studies or evidence? (Calling me an enabler of child abusers does not qualify as a response under this standard).

Yes, there are sexual predators in all walks of life, true statement.

Sexual abuse of a child by a predator is always bad no matter where it happens or where, true statement.

so far, that's about all you got here. Is that your point? Hell, I gave you that much 20 post ago.

Where did you give me that? Your first post in response to this was that it was "rationalization" and "justification," and you have persisted in this fashion since then. This is your first acknowledgement that this problem is not one which is exclusively "Catholic."

[OSBF]

Joe, I'll ask you a very simple clear concise question, to which the only acceptable answer is a yes or a no.

Do you feel that priests that use their position, authority, influence to manipulate children into allowing them to slam their big hairy cocks into their tight little virgin bung holes till they bleed should face the same criminal justice system that a Methodist preacher or a 7th grade science teacher or any ordinary creep off the streets would?

[OSBF]

Yes, there are sexual predators in all walks of life, true statement.

Sexual abuse of a child by a predator is always bad no matter where it happens or where, true statement.

so far, that's about all you got here. Is that your point? Hell, I gave you that much 20 post ago.

Where did you give me that? Your first post in response to this was that it was "rationalization" and "justification," and you have persisted in this fashion since then. This is your first acknowledgement that this problem is not one which is exclusively "Catholic."

does it not being exclusive to catholics somehow make you feel better about it or something?

that's textbook rationalization

[JoltinJoe]

Joe, I'll ask you a very simple clear concise question, to which the only acceptable answer is a yes or a no.

Do you feel that priests that use their position, authority, influence to manipulate children into allowing them to slam their big hairy cocks into their tight little virgin bung holes till they bleed should face the same criminal justice system that a Methodist preacher or a 7th grade science teacher or any ordinary creep off the streets would?

Yes.

Was all this graphic detail necessary?

[JoltinJoe]

Where did you give me that? Your first post in response to this was that it was "rationalization" and "justification," and you have persisted in this fashion since then. This is your first acknowledgement that this problem is not one which is exclusively "Catholic."

does it not being exclusive to catholics somehow make you feel better about it or something?

that's textbook rationalization

No, it doesn't make me feel better about it.

But it does make me suspcious when non-Catholics are fixated on the Catholic Church's problem with abuse and don't seem in the least interested in discussing child abuse as a society-wide problem which has largely been ignored for years.

This myopic fixation on the Catholic Church is usually informed with as much anti-Catholic bias as it is with the concern for the well-being of children.

[SunCoastBlueHen]

Damn. I think I done been forechecked right on out of this discussion.

[OSBF]

Joe, I'll ask you a very simple clear concise question, to which the only acceptable answer is a yes or a no.

Do you feel that priests that use their position, authority, influence to manipulate children into allowing them to slam their big hairy cocks into their tight little virgin bung holes till they bleed should face the same criminal justice system that a Methodist preacher or a 7th grade science teacher or any ordinary creep off the streets would?

Yes.

Was all this graphic detail necessary?

you're just upset that i forgot include the word pink after little

[AZGrizFan]

Joe, I'll ask you a very simple clear concise question, to which the only acceptable answer is a yes or a no.

Do you feel that priests that use their position, authority, influence to manipulate children into allowing them to slam their big hairy cocks into their tight little virgin bung holes till they bleed should face the same criminal justice system that a Methodist preacher or a 7th grade science teacher or any ordinary creep off the streets would?

Yes.

Was all this graphic detail necessary?

Joe, a little background info: OBSF was a Catholic priest. It's what he fantasized about while giving communion.

[OSBF]

does it not being exclusive to catholics somehow make you feel better about it or something?

that's textbook rationalization

No, it doesn't make me feel better about it.

But it does make me suspcious when non-Catholics are fixated on the Catholic Church's problem with abuse and don't seem in the least interested in discussing child abuse as a society-wide problem which has largely been ignored for years.

This myopic fixation on the Catholic Church is usually informed with as much anti-Catholic bias as it is with the concern for the well-being of children.

focus more on getting yer own house in order and fixate less on what the rest of us think about your mess

For me, this isn't a "catholic" thing. My "thing" is the sweeping under the rug, the church helping these monsters avoid criminal prosecution. Stop doing that and I'm fine with it.

How many priests will serve how many years for their transgressions in Alaska? How many of those priests will the church roll over on, turn over to the states attorney for criminal prosecution?

[OSBF]

joe, come on man, how many will go to prison?

How many will even go to trial?

Give me a number, how many?

[AZGrizFan]

joe, come on man, how many will go to prison?

How many will even go to trial?

Give me a number, how many?

69.

[AZGrizFan]

joe, come on man, how many will go to prison?

How many will even go to trial?

Give me a number, how many?

69.

How about 666?

[Chizzang]

joe, come on man, how many will go to prison?

How many will even go to trial?

Give me a number, how many?

69.

Dude..!!!
you owe me like 3 keyboards and maybe 2 monitors over the past 12 month
and a gallon of coffee - I've spit more coffee on my computer than that but that's a round figure...

[OSBF]

69.

Dude..!!!
you owe me like 3 keyboards and maybe 2 monitors over the past 12 month
and a gallon of coffee - I've spit more coffee on my computer than that but that's a round figure...

I thought 666 was funnier

[D1B]

Two things,

1- D1b - The Diocese of Fairbanks encompasses more than just the town, 54 churchs across Alaska(according to wiki) and 18,000 Catholics. Not that it excuses those 300 cases, in the least.

2- OSBF - These cases of abuse horrifies Catholic parishoners more so that it does you.

Then leave the church Andy. It had obviously failed you. You are a better person than to be involved with that racket.

[D1B]

does it not being exclusive to catholics somehow make you feel better about it or something?

that's textbook rationalization

No, it doesn't make me feel better about it.

But it does make me suspcious when non-Catholics are fixated on the Catholic Church's problem with abuse and don't seem in the least interested in discussing child abuse as a society-wide problem which has largely been ignored for years.

This myopic fixation on the Catholic Church is usually informed with as much anti-Catholic bias as it is with the concern for the well-being of children.

Joe, you continue to just skirt the issue. It aint catholics like you or Andy who are raping children - its your fucking priests! That's why you get the lion's share of attention.

Compounding this is the elaborate mechanism that has existed in your church for centuries to protect pedophiles and rapists. There are most likely millions of victims over the years and this is no different than organized crime. School districts (unless they're catholic) don't have these protection systems in place for teacher who rape children.

This is why your church is a joke and you should be embarrassed to be involved in it and ashamed to be its number one apologist here.

SMFH

[JoltinJoe]

No, it doesn't make me feel better about it.

But it does make me suspcious when non-Catholics are fixated on the Catholic Church's problem with abuse and don't seem in the least interested in discussing child abuse as a society-wide problem which has largely been ignored for years.

This myopic fixation on the Catholic Church is usually informed with as much anti-Catholic bias as it is with the concern for the well-being of children.

Joe, you continue to just skirt the issue. It aint catholics like you or Andy who are raping children - its your **** priests! That's why you get the lion's share of attention.

Compounding this is the elaborate mechanism that has existed in your church for centuries to protect pedophiles and rapists. There are most likely millions of victims over the years and this is no different than organized crime. School districts (unless they're catholic) don't have these protection systems in place for teacher who rape children.

This is why your church is a joke and you should be embarrassed to be involved in it and ashamed to be its number one apologist here.

SMFH

Writing in large caps doesn't improve your argument. You hate the Catholic Church for reasons that are twisted and uninformed -- fed by your willingess to accept uncritically all hyperbole and invective that you find somewhere on the internet.

You have posted pictures of clergy with Nazis, and called them Catholic clergy, when they are not.

You have made claims that the Catholic Church has caused the deaths of "hundreds of millions" throughout history, but never once bothered to cite anything credible for this lie.

You have called unrepentant atheists like Hitlerand Stalin "Catholic" because they attended church when they were five years old.

You don't give a shit about the kids. You just hate Catholicism, and that's what I am calling out on this thread.