Can Weber pull off 1st rd upset back2back yrs?

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Got the score hint but still can't put together what you infer by being on the hook?

Well, it's not the first time I screwed up! When I looked back at the thread, I couldn't tell what the hell I was talking about, either, so I edited it to a completely new post.

I understand completely now.

WR82 spilled the beans on what a lot of us do on the board yesterday. Some of the responses are to match ignorance with even greater ignorance. On other occasions you pull logic out as a weaponto battle reasonable discussions. It is an effective way to do battle on the board but leaves something to be desired in the efficiency department when you need to reconcile your statements.

Then you try and mix it up a little and use logic vs. ignorance and vice versa and you find yourself in a state of disarray that can only be fixed by starting a "D!B Retires from CS.Com" thread.

[Col Hogan]

And NAU damn near beat Montana this year.....your point is?????

My point is, it isn't as laughable as you seem to think to say that Cal Poly was better last year than W&M is this year. I'm not saying W&M isn't damn good, because they are, but it amuses me that CAA fans are completely writing off a team that has recent history of upsetting a very good team on the road.

Here's the difference...I see eastern fans (CAA and others) making predictions...DF has brought out all kinds of data, and it's poo-pooed because an EWU or Weber support KNOWS...

I see some BSC (STRESS SOME) saying still like I KNOW...Team X is better (without giving a because)...

I predict that W&M will beat Weber....but I don't know it...which means I'm not writing anything off...I understand Weber could win...I just doubt it...

And how do you compare a team from LAST YEAR with one this year...I'm just amazed at your psychic skills, since neither team has a common opponent...

[GrizMonster]

Why is Cal Poly of 2008 better than W&M of 2009? For one, they were an even mediocre field goal kicker away from going undefeated (Uof M got lucky last year.)...They beat an FBS their first game, (San Diego State), and nearly beat Wisconsin (if not for want of that kicker)..In fact, even with the kicker missing 4 xp and a couple easy FG's..they took Wisconsin to overtime. Keep in mind, Wisconsin was a much better team last year than UVA this year....So, they beat an FBS last year that is arguably just as good as UVA if not a little better, and lost to Wisconsin that was definitely better, by one point, and in overtime, which it should have never gone to, but every team needs a kicker. In the regular season, their two losses were by a combined 3 points. To the eventual NC runners up, and Wisconsin. Again they should have won both.
Here are a few matchups

Cal Poly QB
Name G QBRat Att Comp Pct Yds Y/A Y/G TD Int
Jonathan Dally 11 171.6 202 116 57.4 1960 9.7 178.2 23 5

Vs. W&M's QB

R.J. Archer 11 124.8 342 210 61.4 2160 6.3 196.4 15 7

As far as rushing goes they had quite the attack, and a duel threat QB

Name G Rush Yds Y/G Avg Lng TD
Jonathan Dally 11 152 821 74.6 5.4 29 11
James Noble 9 83 627 69.7 7.6 45 9
Ryan Mole 11 81 624 56.7 7.7 71 10

W&M has an okay rushing attack, but not nearly as prolific:

D.J. McAulay 9 42 478 53.1 11.4 53 3
Chase Hill 8 31 428 53.5 13.8 91 4
Rob Varno 11 39 371 33.7 9.5 39 3

As well, do you remember Ramses Barden? Plays for the NYG now.

W&M's defense is better, but they haven't really played any teams that can say they have a prolific offense.

[Monarch History]

I'm really looking forward to attending this game. If W&M's defense plays the game they are capable of playing it will be a long day for Weber State.

W&M 24 - Weber State 14

[Wedgebuster]

You can quote me on this, Weber coughs up the ball five or six times, they are toast.

Nuff said.

[native]

You can quote me on this, Weber coughs up the ball five or six times, they are toast.

Nuff said.

A bold prediction, indeed!

[WeberAlum02]

You can quote me on this, Weber coughs up the ball five or six times, they are toast.

Nuff said.

Really going out on a limb there.

[Grizaholic17]

Weber State did not impress me when they came to WA GRIZ. It seems the team that was so good last year has lost its spark. I believe they will win this game...but I don't know how deep they will go. I hope they turn it on early, but after the disappointing game in missoula, I am worried they won't turn as many heads. I am rooting for you Weber, I hope you instill some confidence in me!

[AZGrizFan]

I'm really looking forward to attending this game. If W&M's defense plays the game they are capable of playing it will be a long day for Weber State.

W&M 24 - Weber State 14

And if Weber's offense plays the game THEY are capable of playing, it'll be a long day for W&M.

[ChickenMan]

And if Weber's offense plays the game THEY are capable of playing, it'll be a long day for W&M.

I'll take defense over offense any time.. but particularly in big games.

[GrizMonster]

And if Weber's offense plays the game THEY are capable of playing, it'll be a long day for W&M.

I'll take defense over offense any time.. but particularly in big games.

Most likely because the CAA is a defensively minded league. I would take offense over defense everytime. Unless my team happens to be really good at defense, and not so good at offense. In which case, I agree.

[ChickenMan]

I would take offense over defense everytime.

You would be in the minority with that opinion.. but you certainly are entitled to be wrong!

[Grizalltheway]

I would take offense over defense everytime.

You would be in the minority with that opinion.. but you certainly are entitled to be wrong!

Yeah, because App State won their 3 titles playing exclusively defense.

[wideright82]

You would be in the minority with that opinion.. but you certainly are entitled to be wrong!

Yeah, because App State won their 3 titles playing exclusively defense.

And lost last year to Richmond BECAUSE they were exclusively offense.

[native]

Yeah, because App State won their 3 titles playing exclusively defense.

And lost last year to Richmond BECAUSE they were exclusively offense.

I understand the old dictum that "offense wins games, defense wins championships."

Just for the record, I think Weber's chances are about 1 in 3, maybe 1 in 2 against W&M's formidable defense. BUT the Wildcats DO have a chance.

It is true that W&M is ranked higher and might be the best defense Weber has faced all year. But it is also true that Weber has some tools and advantages of its own. Weber has not been shut out of any game this season and has been able to move the ball against anyone. Even against Montana, the Wildcats worst outing to date, two of WSU's turnovers were in the red zone.

SO it just might be possible that this will be one of those times when offense wins the game.

Also, just for the record, Weber's defense was pretty good against Massey's 3rd, 9th, 24th and 36th-best offenses, holding each to less than 15 points. W&M is only 21st.

#3 EWU 13, WSU 31
#9 NAU 9, WSU 27
#24 CSUS 14, Weber 49
#36 CP-SLO 14, Weber 47

[Grizalltheway]

And lost last year to Richmond BECAUSE they were exclusively offense.

I understand the old dictum that "offense wins games, defense wins championships."

Just for the record, I think Weber's chances are about 1 in 3, maybe 1 in 2 against W&M's formidable defense. BUT the Wildcats DO have a chance.

It is true that W&M is ranked higher and might be the best defense Weber has faced all year. But it is also true that Weber has some tools and advantages of its own. Weber has not been shut out of any game this season and has been able to move the ball against anyone. Even against Montana, the Wildcats worst outing to date, two of WSU's turnovers were in the red zone.

SO it just might be possible that this will be one of those times when offense wins the game.

Also, just for the record, Weber's defense was pretty good against Massey's 3rd, 9th, 24th and 36th-best offenses, holding each to less than 15 points. W&M is only 21st.

#3 EWU 13, WSU 31
#9 NAU 9, WSU 27
#24 CSUS 14, Weber 49
#36 CP-SLO 14, Weber 47

I'll be waiting anxiously for score updates during our game on Saturday.

[weberwildcat]

No one thought WSU would win both of its last 2 games against NAU and Cal Poly. Neither was even a game. WSU's D only allowed 1 TD between EWU and NAU, 2 of the best offenses in the nation.

**Bottomline yall: If W&M aint forcin 3 TO's WSU's gonna be headin to Illinois.

[wideright82]

And lost last year to Richmond BECAUSE they were exclusively offense.

I understand the old dictum that "offense wins games, defense wins championships."

Just for the record, I think Weber's chances are about 1 in 3, maybe 1 in 2 against W&M's formidable defense. BUT the Wildcats DO have a chance.

It is true that W&M is ranked higher and might be the best defense Weber has faced all year. But it is also true that Weber has some tools and advantages of its own. Weber has not been shut out of any game this season and has been able to move the ball against anyone. Even against Montana, the Wildcats worst outing to date, two of WSU's turnovers were in the red zone.

SO it just might be possible that this will be one of those times when offense wins the game.

Also, just for the record, Weber's defense was pretty good against Massey's 3rd, 9th, 24th and 36th-best offenses, holding each to less than 15 points. W&M is only 21st.

#3 EWU 13, WSU 31
#9 NAU 9, WSU 27
#24 CSUS 14, Weber 49
#36 CP-SLO 14, Weber 47

I never said you don't need both. I wouldn't want a terrible offense and a great defense either. However I will take an asskicking defense and a mediocre offense that can score points

[Col Hogan]

Well, I'm looking for a wager...any Weber takers...

I'll wager a W&M hat that the Tribe wins...

I'm still waiting for one of you folks predicting a Weber win to take up my wager...

Put your money where your mouth is...

A W&M hat for a Weber win...you put up a Weber hat for a W&M win...straight up...

PM me if you're so sure...

[Grizalltheway]

Well, I'm looking for a wager...any Weber takers...

I'll wager a W&M hat that the Tribe wins...

I'm still waiting for one of you folks predicting a Weber win to take up my wager...

Put your money where your mouth is...

A W&M hat for a Weber win...you put up a Weber hat for a W&M win...straight up...

PM me if you're so sure...

1. I'm broke
2. I never said Weber is guaranteed to win, I just think they should be given more of a chance than some arrogant CAA fans (mostly on ***, actually) are giving them.

[Col Hogan]

Well, I'm looking for a wager...any Weber takers...

I'll wager a W&M hat that the Tribe wins...

I'm still waiting for one of you folks predicting a Weber win to take up my wager...

Put your money where your mouth is...

A W&M hat for a Weber win...you put up a Weber hat for a W&M win...straight up...

PM me if you're so sure...

BUMP

Weber fans must not be that confident...not a peep on a wager...

I'm trying to take your pay check...I just want a Weber hat...

Come one...be brave...

[native]

I'm still waiting for one of you folks predicting a Weber win to take up my wager...

Put your money where your mouth is...

A W&M hat for a Weber win...you put up a Weber hat for a W&M win...straight up...

PM me if you're so sure...

BUMP

Weber fans must not be that confident...not a peep on a wager...

I'm trying to take your pay check...I just want a Weber hat...

Come one...be brave...

Why have you not responded to my PM?!???

[Col Hogan]

BUMP

Weber fans must not be that confident...not a peep on a wager...

I'm trying to take your pay check...I just want a Weber hat...

Come one...be brave...

Why have you not responded to my PM?!???

Now I'm getting old, but not that old...

I have a response in my outbox telling you I'll gladly keep you updated tomorrow...

and I did get your Thanksgiving wishes...

Did I miss something else...

[native]

Why have you not responded to my PM?!???

Now I'm getting old, but not that old...

I have a response in my outbox telling you I'll gladly keep you updated tomorrow...

and I did get your Thanksgiving wishes...

Did I miss something else...

Dunno. I deleted a bunch of messages to make room and will send again.

[YoUDeeMan]

OK< my famliy is in bed....wife has been taken care of...and I am just reading these threads. Good God...or bad God...if anyone has been watching the CAA, W&M had the best from 7 of anyonein the FCS... PERIOD. And while everyone focussed on my Texas scires...why didn't anyone foicus on the fact the Wyoming let up less than 22 points to everyone else but a few teams? on a side note...Jesus Christ....do you know how hard it is to type when you are shitfaced and everything is laid to rest and you have insomnia> My freaking fingers smell like latern iol and I hope me wife doesn't end uop with some infection...but Weber hasn't faced...and SIU hasn't faced. a D like W&M.

Quicl note: Montana was onle pass, pass, pass for the last 2 quarters. Does anyone thing that could survive against a really good D? Their QB would be annihilated...I had to pause to type that...against a W&M D 7.

Done.

Any given Saturday...but SIU better bring the lucvky chams against W&M.