Liberal Cap'n Cat Confesses To Losing His Obama "Mojo"

[wideright82]

Do you really want to claim a bunch of people that don't know how to follow the box and vote correctly? The ballot was not THAT confusing.

I'm not saying at all that people were not able to vote correctly. It is a fact that more Americans wanted Gore than Bush, and the Supreme Court had to step in and seat Bush. At the time, it was probably the right thing to do as the country needed closure, it needed to be over.

It would have always been the right thing to do. It's our voting system.

[ASUG8]

Do you really want to claim a bunch of people that don't know how to follow the box and vote correctly? The ballot was not THAT confusing.

I'm not saying at all that people were not able to vote correctly. It is a fact that more Americans wanted Gore than Bush, and the Supreme Court had to step in and seat Bush. At the time, it was probably the right thing to do as the country needed closure, it needed to be over.

So the sound of "President Gore" sounds good to you?

[OSBF]

I'm not saying at all that people were not able to vote correctly. It is a fact that more Americans wanted Gore than Bush, and the Supreme Court had to step in and seat Bush. At the time, it was probably the right thing to do as the country needed closure, it needed to be over.

It would have always been the right thing to do. It's our voting system.

provided all the votes, each and every fucking last one of them, was counted and counted correctly, which i'm not sure anyone is confident happened. The decision the supreme court made was to stop the counting.

[OSBF]

I'm not saying at all that people were not able to vote correctly. It is a fact that more Americans wanted Gore than Bush, and the Supreme Court had to step in and seat Bush. At the time, it was probably the right thing to do as the country needed closure, it needed to be over.

So the sound of "President Gore" sounds good to you?

Not sure, at the time I sure thought so, now, I just don't really know. The luster has certainly dimmed on the gore marquee, but could it have been any worse than what we ended up with? I don't know.

[wideright82]

It would have always been the right thing to do. It's our voting system.

provided all the votes, each and every fucking last one of them, was counted and counted correctly, which i'm not sure anyone is confident happened. The decision the supreme court made was to stop the counting.

So in other words pure speculation...... thought so.

[OSBF]

provided all the votes, each and every fucking last one of them, was counted and counted correctly, which i'm not sure anyone is confident happened. The decision the supreme court made was to stop the counting.

So in other words pure speculation...... thought so.

so you're 100% confident each and every single vote was counted and tabulated 100% correctly?

if so, you're the only one that is

My favorite quote from that election came from Bob Barr, at that time was either a rep or senator. He went on record as saying that it didn't matter if every vote from the primarily minority and socially dis-advantaged districts in Florida was counted.

[Cap'n Cat]

at least he didn't need to have the supreme court step in and seat him because a majority of the population wanted the other guy.

Another LIB wanting to trash our country and the constitution!

Imagine that.

One word: Bush.

[wideright82]

So in other words pure speculation...... thought so.

so you're 100% confident each and every single vote was counted and tabulated 100% correctly?

if so, you're the only one that is

My favorite quote from that election came from Bob Barr, at that time was either a rep or senator. He went on record as saying that it didn't matter if every vote from the primarily minority and socially dis-advantaged districts in Florida was counted.

I never said that, hell I don't that is the case in ANY election. It just so happened in this one, your guy lost. I'm sorry the Supreme Court made the decision it did, because you obviously haven't gotten over it in the 9 years since it happened. I'd be more pissed you got suckered by some Chicago politician into believing he was going to do anything he said.

[OSBF]

so you're 100% confident each and every single vote was counted and tabulated 100% correctly?

if so, you're the only one that is

My favorite quote from that election came from Bob Barr, at that time was either a rep or senator. He went on record as saying that it didn't matter if every vote from the primarily minority and socially dis-advantaged districts in Florida was counted.

I never said that, hell I don't that is the case in ANY election. It just so happened in this one, your guy lost. I'm sorry the Supreme Court made the decision it did, because you obviously haven't gotten over it in the 9 years since it happened. I'd be more pissed you got suckered by some Chicago politician into believing he was going to do anything he said.

so there's more to it than speculation, as you propose?

[Cap'n Cat]

As I said, just hope he picks up his game. He has done some good things, just not enough in my eyes.

[wideright82]

I never said that, hell I don't that is the case in ANY election. It just so happened in this one, your guy lost. I'm sorry the Supreme Court made the decision it did, because you obviously haven't gotten over it in the 9 years since it happened. I'd be more pissed you got suckered by some Chicago politician into believing he was going to do anything he said.

so there's more to it than speculation, as you propose?

No. Your speculation is that if all the votes were counted properly the results would have been different, making the supreme courts decision a bad one. That is completely speculative.

[wideright82]

As I said, just hope he picks up his game. He has done some good things, just not enough in my eyes.

agreed. Oddly enough, most of the reasons (outside of inexperience) that I didn't vote for the man, he hasn't gone through with. I think what he needs to learn most of all, which (I can't believe I'm saying this) is something Bush did well, is realize not everyone is going to be happy with your decisions. He is trying to hard to be liked, and not trying hard enough getting what he believes in through.

[OSBF]

so there's more to it than speculation, as you propose?

No. Your speculation is that if all the votes were counted properly the results would have been different, making the supreme courts decision a bad one. That is completely speculative.

so, you think all the votes WERE counted correctly?

[wideright82]

No. Your speculation is that if all the votes were counted properly the results would have been different, making the supreme courts decision a bad one. That is completely speculative.

so, you think all the votes WERE counted correctly?

I never said that. Why is this so hard to get across. The decision made can not be deemed correct or incorrect, just legal. Which is why to make a statement that Bush HAD to have the supreme court step in is blasphemous. That is what they did, legally. Using American laws. You can not assume the decision was right based on votes nor wrong based on votes. You seem to think Gore would have won if all the votes were properly counted?

[OSBF]

You seem to think Gore would have won if all the votes were properly counted?

we don't know, that's the tragedy of the situation, the voting process was discounted just to get to the end

the lesson learned by voters that day was that your individual vote does not count, and no one cares if your vote is counted, or if your voice is heard.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

Do you really want to claim a bunch of people that don't know how to follow the box and vote correctly? The ballot was not THAT confusing.

I'm not saying at all that people were not able to vote correctly. It is a fact that more Americans wanted Gore than Bush, and the Supreme Court had to step in and seat Bush. At the time, it was probably the right thing to do as the country needed closure, it needed to be over.

And if you think we are having second thoughts about Obama, just imagine what it would have been like to have Gore as a president.

[Col Hogan]

Do you really want to claim a bunch of people that don't know how to follow the box and vote correctly? The ballot was not THAT confusing.

I'm not saying at all that people were not able to vote correctly. It is a fact that more Americans wanted Gore than Bush, and the Supreme Court had to step in and seat Bush. At the time, it was probably the right thing to do as the country needed closure, it needed to be over.

Let's tell the whole truth...Gore won the popular vote, but that's not how a President is elected...so when you say "more Americans wanted Gore than Bush, and the Supreme Court had to step in and seat Bush" you are inaccurately describing what happened...

The Supreme Court DID NOT SEAT Bush...they simply did not order yet another recount in Florida...that allowed the Constitutionally mandated Electoral College process to proceed...

If you wish to discuss the need/desire to change that process...OK...

[wideright82]

You seem to think Gore would have won if all the votes were properly counted?

we don't know, that's the tragedy of the situation, the voting process was discounted just to get to the end

the lesson learned by voters that day was that your individual vote does not count, and no one cares if your vote is counted, or if your voice is heard.

I think it was more the insanity that these things needed to be counted AGAIN

[AZGrizFan]

The difference between liberals and conservatives........we don't need 8 years to figure out things aren't going well.

and won't blindly follow because that's what all the talking heads on fox tell us to do

Why do you think we've been calling you sheeple for 2 years? Conservatives had this guy figured out BEFORE THE elction.

Fuckin' koolaid drinkers.

[JoltinJoe]

I'm not saying at all that people were not able to vote correctly. It is a fact that more Americans wanted Gore than Bush, and the Supreme Court had to step in and seat Bush. At the time, it was probably the right thing to do as the country needed closure, it needed to be over.

Let's tell the whole truth...Gore won the popular vote, but that's not how a President is elected...so when you say "more Americans wanted Gore than Bush, and the Supreme Court had to step in and seat Bush" you are inaccurately describing what happened...

The Supreme Court DID NOT SEAT Bush...they simply did not order yet another recount in Florida...that allowed the Constitutionally mandated Electoral College process to proceed...

If you wish to discuss the need/desire to change that process...OK...

I'm against changing the electoral college system. To have the President selected by straight majority vote would destroy what remains of the Federalist system. Presidential candidates would pander to the population centers in New York and California; the Midwest and South would rarely see another Presidential campaign swing through their region.

[native]

Still waiting for him to be the strong leader we wanted thim to be. Expected a decision to get out of the wars by now, for example. Expected much more and not digging him letting Conks push him around. Too much same-old stuff.

Hoping he picks up his game soon.

HA! He would never make Afghanistan or Iraq a "Vietnam" by pulling out. I, for one, hope he lives up to his ex pectations.

Meanwhile, something tells me that 35,000 to 40,000 Marines are getting ready to be deployed. It might be water cooler talk and the daily interaction with MARCORSYSCOM, but we're going in there, pushing our numbers to over 100,000 soilders and Marines. We'll go in the middle, and begin to head North (because we headed South last time).


Just a feeling.

North is not the problem. Those tribes are not Pashtuns.

[Cap'n Cat]

Let's tell the whole truth...Gore won the popular vote, but that's not how a President is elected...so when you say "more Americans wanted Gore than Bush, and the Supreme Court had to step in and seat Bush" you are inaccurately describing what happened...

The Supreme Court DID NOT SEAT Bush...they simply did not order yet another recount in Florida...that allowed the Constitutionally mandated Electoral College process to proceed...

If you wish to discuss the need/desire to change that process...OK...

I'm against changing the electoral college system. To have the President selected by straight majority vote would destroy what remains of the Federalist system. Presidential candidates would pander to the population centers in New York and California; the Midwest and South would rarely see another Presidential campaign swing through their region.

I agree, Joe. Good points.

From what I've read, the Electoral College exists for the same reason the US Senate exists, to protect us from ourselves.

[native]

No. Your speculation is that if all the votes were counted properly the results would have been different, making the supreme courts decision a bad one. That is completely speculative.

so, you think all the votes WERE counted correctly?

All except the absentee military voters which were improperly disallowed.

[JoltinJoe]

I'm against changing the electoral college system. To have the President selected by straight majority vote would destroy what remains of the Federalist system. Presidential candidates would pander to the population centers in New York and California; the Midwest and South would rarely see another Presidential campaign swing through their region.

I agree, Joe. Good points.

From what I've read, the Electoral College exists for the same reason the US Senate exists, to protect us from ourselves.

The fallacy is that the presidential election is (or should be) a "national" election. It is actually 50 state elections. The outcome of the overall vote for the 50 states is not relevant.

[HI54UNI]

I'm against changing the electoral college system. To have the President selected by straight majority vote would destroy what remains of the Federalist system. Presidential candidates would pander to the population centers in New York and California; the Midwest and South would rarely see another Presidential campaign swing through their region.

I agree, Joe. Good points.

From what I've read, the Electoral College exists for the same reason the US Senate exists, to protect us from ourselves.

+1 JJ
+1 CC