Big Sky getting a 2nd team in?

[weberwildcat]

question 1:

If the big sky gets a 2nd team in be it MSU, EWU, or WSU...

Would the 2nd team in - play in Missoula in the first round or second round (if necessary) ?



question 2:

has the ncaa always regionalized the playoffs to save money?



question 3:

if ewu, msu, wsu all win...
msu should be in no matter what

if ewu and wsu win and msu loses...
ewu/wsu would tie for 2nd, wsu wins the tie for 2nd not that it matters, wsu would have 7 wins, ewu would have 8 wins. would ewu be in regardless of losing to wsu since the eag's would have 8 wins?


question 4:

does WSU make it in with a 7-4 record if finishing in 2nd place alone? that should be our only chance if at all. i heard msu made it one yr with 4 losses, what yr was it?

[weberwildcat]

Of course the game of the week is the Montanas but I think the EWU @ NAU is gonna be a good one to watch.

NAU has lost 3 straight and EWU has to win the game to have a shot at the playoffs. How can NAU lose 4 straight being as good as they are?

Most are assuming MSU will lose to UM for good reason.

WSU/Cal Poly game may not matter.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I can not see WSU getting in at 7-4. It is a very rare occurence for 7-4 to get an at large. They have to have won an FBS and be on a serious roll at the end of the season combined with there not being a lot of other choices with 8 wins.

As many of us were saying before the season started WSU had scheduled themselves out of the playoffs before the season even started unless a lot of things went very right for them. You could not afford a single loss to any other team but Montana and that didn't happen.

Any other BSC conference teams getting in would not be coming to Missoula in the first round as it's against the rules. 2nd round would be very likely if Montana and the other BSC team were to win the first round games.

[danefan]

question 1:

If the big sky gets a 2nd team in be it MSU, EWU, or WSU...

Would the 2nd team in - play in Missoula in the first round or second round (if necessary) ?

They wouldn't play in the First Round as conference mates cannot meet in the first round. They will likely play in the second round as the brackets are designed to minimize travel costs throughout the rounds. So generally it is set up with most western teams in the same bracket.

question 2:

has the ncaa always regionalized the playoffs to save money?

The regionalization was actually set up in response to 9/11 more than it was an economics decision. It has morphed into an $$$$ decision though.

question 3:

if ewu, msu, wsu all win...
msu should be in no matter what

if ewu and wsu win and msu loses...
ewu/wsu would tie for 2nd, wsu wins the tie for 2nd not that it matters, wsu would have 7 wins, ewu would have 8 wins. would ewu be in regardless of losing to wsu since the eag's would have 8 wins?

The committee has in the past favored a "weaker" team with more DI wins over the team most thought to be stronger with 7 wins. Last year the committee took Maine over William and Mary, who most people thought was a stronger team. The committee cited the 8th DI win for Maine as the difference.

question 4:

does WSU make it in with a 7-4 record if finishing in 2nd place alone? that should be our only chance if at all. i heard msu made it one yr with 4 losses, what yr was it?

Teams have made it with 4 losses a couple of years. UNH and MSU in recent memory. Both had FBS wins those years. MSU actually had a DII loss the year they made it. But they beat Colorado State that year as well.

[MrTitleist]

I think I postulated somewhere this summer about Weber scheduling themselves out.. now they're in a VERY tough spot. But I think they have a shot. But if EWU takes care of business, they'll be in over Weber, IMO. But I think it's ridiculous to speculate that the Big Sky wouldn't be able to get 2 teams in.. the BSC is one of the best conferences in FCS, the goal should always be 2-3 teams in the playoffs. Though, the parity down the list below Montana makes that difficult sometimes.

[kalm]

In my opinion and giving strength to the committee's history of recogninzing head to head and number of DI wins:

If MSU and EWU win: EWU is in

If MSU and Weber win: MSU is in

EWU and Weber win: Weber is in

If all three win: EWU is in.

However, I still think there's a chance that a third BSC team could get based on a Elon, UNI, or McNeese loss.

[JALMOND]

My belief is that EWU is still out even if they beat NAU. They would still have only 7 DI wins (W Oregon is DII), they would tie with WSU who beat them at Cheney, and I still think the idea of starting the year with a postseason ban hurts them, too. Just because the ban was lifted during the year does not mean the committee will select EWU now because they can. I think EWU needed to clear WSU and have more than the 7 wins in order for the committee to take a strong look at the Eagles. It's called politics, people.

[bpcats]

EWU will win next week. NAU is in their annual late season slump that they have practiced
for the last few years. I am rooting for a NAU win, but I highly doubt that it will happen.

[AZGrizFan]

My belief is that EWU is still out even if they beat NAU. They would still have only 7 DI wins (W Oregon is DII), they would tie with WSU who beat them at Cheney, and I still think the idea of starting the year with a postseason ban hurts them, too. Just because the ban was lifted during the year does not mean the committee will select EWU now because they can. I think EWU needed to clear WSU and have more than the 7 wins in order for the committee to take a strong look at the Eagles. It's called politics, people.

What happens if UNH loses to Maine and is 8-3?

[Screamin_Eagle174]

question 4:

does WSU make it in with a 7-4 record if finishing in 2nd place alone? that should be our only chance if at all. i heard msu made it one yr with 4 losses, what yr was it?

Teams have made it with 4 losses a couple of years. UNH and MSU in recent memory. Both had FBS wins those years. MSU actually had a DII loss the year they made it. But they beat Colorado State that year as well.

They beat Colorado. Not much of a difference though, as CU only won 2 or 3 games that year.

[kalm]

My belief is that EWU is still out even if they beat NAU. They would still have only 7 DI wins (W Oregon is DII), they would tie with WSU who beat them at Cheney, and I still think the idea of starting the year with a postseason ban hurts them, too. Just because the ban was lifted during the year does not mean the committee will select EWU now because they can. I think EWU needed to clear WSU and have more than the 7 wins in order for the committee to take a strong look at the Eagles. It's called politics, people.

Would that be the politics of the NCAA that imposed the ban or the NCAA who ruled the appeal in EWU's favor?

You may be right Jalmond, I remember a few years back when a EWU volleyball team that had several wins against top 10 opponents, finished the regular season ranked in the top 20 at something like 25-3 (2 of the losses to an undefeated Sac St who won the AQ), but was snubbed for an at-large supposedly because our coach at the time was not very well liked and ruffled some of the wrong feathers. So politics can play a role but it depends on the bias of the selection commitee some of who might be sympathetic of EWU's sanctions.

I'm very nervous of our situation if Weber wins and MSU loses. But if all three win or Weber loses I really like our chances.

[Appaholic]

Personally, I think it's a given that BSC gets (& deserves) 2 teams in this year. It's too good of a conference year-in, year-out....if SoCon gets 2 in (& CAA their normal 10), then BSC deserves 2....

[kalm]

My belief is that EWU is still out even if they beat NAU. They would still have only 7 DI wins (W Oregon is DII), they would tie with WSU who beat them at Cheney, and I still think the idea of starting the year with a postseason ban hurts them, too. Just because the ban was lifted during the year does not mean the committee will select EWU now because they can. I think EWU needed to clear WSU and have more than the 7 wins in order for the committee to take a strong look at the Eagles. It's called politics, people.

Would that be the politics of the NCAA that imposed the ban or the NCAA who ruled the appeal in EWU's favor?

You may be right Jalmond, I remember a few years back when a EWU volleyball team that had several wins against top 10 opponents, finished the regular season ranked in the top 20 at something like 25-3 (2 of the losses to an undefeated Sac St who won the AQ), but was snubbed for an at-large supposedly because our coach at the time was not very well liked and ruffled some of the wrong feathers. So politics can play a role but it depends on the bias of the selection commitee some of who might be sympathetic of EWU's sanctions.

I'm very nervous of our situation if Weber wins and MSU loses. But if all three win or Weber loses I really like our chances.

Check that.


If all three win, MSU's win over the Griz might tip the balance in their favor.

[JALMOND]

My belief is that EWU is still out even if they beat NAU. They would still have only 7 DI wins (W Oregon is DII), they would tie with WSU who beat them at Cheney, and I still think the idea of starting the year with a postseason ban hurts them, too. Just because the ban was lifted during the year does not mean the committee will select EWU now because they can. I think EWU needed to clear WSU and have more than the 7 wins in order for the committee to take a strong look at the Eagles. It's called politics, people.

Would that be the politics of the NCAA that imposed the ban or the NCAA who ruled the appeal in EWU's favor?

You may be right Jalmond, I remember a few years back when a EWU volleyball team that had several wins against top 10 opponents, finished the regular season ranked in the top 20 at something like 25-3 (2 of the losses to an undefeated Sac St who won the AQ), but was snubbed for an at-large supposedly because our coach at the time was not very well liked and ruffled some of the wrong feathers. So politics can play a role but it depends on the bias of the selection commitee some of who might be sympathetic of EWU's sanctions.

I'm very nervous of our situation if Weber wins and MSU loses. But if all three win or Weber loses I really like our chances.

Note that the won't come out and say the EWU will be home because they started the year with the ban. The NCAA will construct some bull manure story about no good wins, loss to Weber, blah blah blah, but not once mention the ban. They will leave that to us to debate. After all, they are the good guys. They rescinded the ban and gave the Eagles a chance. It's not their fault EWU is not going on. (yeah, right).

IF UM, EWU AND WSU ALL WIN: UM, EWU and WSU should go. Reality; UM and WSU will go.

IF MSU, EWU AND WSU ALL WIN: UM, EWU and MSU should go. Reality; UM and MSU will go.

EWU gets woofed in both scenarios.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Personally, I think it's a given that BSC gets (& deserves) 2 teams in this year. It's too good of a conference year-in, year-out....if SoCon gets 2 in (& CAA their normal 10), then BSC deserves 2....

Who are you?

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Would that be the politics of the NCAA that imposed the ban or the NCAA who ruled the appeal in EWU's favor?

You may be right Jalmond, I remember a few years back when a EWU volleyball team that had several wins against top 10 opponents, finished the regular season ranked in the top 20 at something like 25-3 (2 of the losses to an undefeated Sac St who won the AQ), but was snubbed for an at-large supposedly because our coach at the time was not very well liked and ruffled some of the wrong feathers. So politics can play a role but it depends on the bias of the selection commitee some of who might be sympathetic of EWU's sanctions.

I'm very nervous of our situation if Weber wins and MSU loses. But if all three win or Weber loses I really like our chances.

Note that the won't come out and say the EWU will be home because they started the year with the ban. The NCAA will construct some bull manure story about no good wins, loss to Weber, blah blah blah, but not once mention the ban. They will leave that to us to debate. After all, they are the good guys. They rescinded the ban and gave the Eagles a chance. It's not their fault EWU is not going on. (yeah, right).

IF UM, EWU AND WSU ALL WIN: UM, EWU and WSU should go. Reality; UM and WSU will go.

IF MSU, EWU AND WSU ALL WIN: UM, EWU and MSU should go. Reality; UM and MSU will go.

EWU gets woofed in both scenarios.

Jalmond, care to make a bet? I'll bet an EWU football shirt to a PSU football shirt that EWU will get in over Weber if both EWU and WSU win, and MSU loses. If MSU wins it's moot, as I think they would get in over EWU. There's no way the committee takes a 4 loss team over a 3 loss team (unless that 4 loss team has a win over an FBS, which WSU does not have). Deal?

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Personally, I think it's a given that BSC gets (& deserves) 2 teams in this year. It's too good of a conference year-in, year-out....if SoCon gets 2 in (& CAA their normal 10), then BSC deserves 2....

Who are you?

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Note that the won't come out and say the EWU will be home because they started the year with the ban. The NCAA will construct some bull manure story about no good wins, loss to Weber, blah blah blah, but not once mention the ban. They will leave that to us to debate. After all, they are the good guys. They rescinded the ban and gave the Eagles a chance. It's not their fault EWU is not going on. (yeah, right).

IF UM, EWU AND WSU ALL WIN: UM, EWU and WSU should go. Reality; UM and WSU will go.

IF MSU, EWU AND WSU ALL WIN: UM, EWU and MSU should go. Reality; UM and MSU will go.

EWU gets woofed in both scenarios.

Jalmond, care to make a bet? I'll bet an EWU football shirt to a PSU football shirt that EWU we'll get in over Weber if both EWU and WSU win, and MSU loses. If MSU wins it's moot, as I think they would get in over EWU. There's no way the committee takes a 4 loss team over a 3 loss team (unless that 4 loss team has a win over an FBS, which WSU does not have). Deal?

That is an even odds bet there. Does the committee consider a 7-4 WSU with the head to head win over a 7-3 EWU. That is a coin flip but they have taken the head to head winner on so many occasions in the past that I would have to bet that way. I'm just spinning as to what is gonna happen because on one hand I am claiming EWU gets it and on the other I think it's WSU. I tell ya that's gonna be a tough one for the committee to ponder.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Jalmond, care to make a bet? I'll bet an EWU football shirt to a PSU football shirt that EWU we'll get in over Weber if both EWU and WSU win, and MSU loses. If MSU wins it's moot, as I think they would get in over EWU. There's no way the committee takes a 4 loss team over a 3 loss team (unless that 4 loss team has a win over an FBS, which WSU does not have). Deal?

That is an even odds bet there. Does the committee consider a 7-4 WSU with the head to head win over a 7-3 EWU. That is a coin flip but they have taken the head to head winner on so many occasions in the past that I would have to bet that way. I'm just spinning as to what is gonna happen because on one hand I am claiming EWU gets it and on the other I think it's WSU. I tell ya that's gonna be a tough one for the committee to ponder.

But those teams with the head to head have been 8-3 or 7-4 with an FBS win. Prove me wrong, but I don't think there's ever been a 7-4 team (withOUT an FBS win) chosen over an 8-3 with still only 7 D-I wins.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

That is an even odds bet there. Does the committee consider a 7-4 WSU with the head to head win over a 7-3 EWU. That is a coin flip but they have taken the head to head winner on so many occasions in the past that I would have to bet that way. I'm just spinning as to what is gonna happen because on one hand I am claiming EWU gets it and on the other I think it's WSU. I tell ya that's gonna be a tough one for the committee to ponder.

But those teams with the head to head have been 8-3 or 7-4 with an FBS win. Prove me wrong, but I don't think there's ever been a 7-4 team (withOUT an FBS win) chosen over an 8-3 with still only 7 D-I wins.

Idaho in 1995 was. They didn't have an FBS win. As I said on another thread you are not 8-3, you are 7-3 in the committee's eyes.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

But those teams with the head to head have been 8-3 or 7-4 with an FBS win. Prove me wrong, but I don't think there's ever been a 7-4 team (withOUT an FBS win) chosen over an 8-3 with still only 7 D-I wins.

Idaho in 1995 was. They didn't have an FBS win. As I said on another thread you are not 8-3, you are 7-3 in the committee's eyes.

I thought Idaho was 8-3 that year. Did they play a D-II? Where can I find a link to BSC results pre-2000?

[kalm]

Three other albeit more subjective factors in EWU's favor would be 1) going out on a 4 game winning streak where they are currently winning by an average of over 20 pts/game 2) looking at the CS weekly poll thread, we're going to be in most people's top 15 and if we beat NAU should finish the season somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 in most polls, and 3) our current GPI is 13 versus Weber State at 16 and MSU at 23.

How often has the #12ish ranked team in the nation that is eligible for the post season not received an at-large? Would Weber's win against Poly and MSU's win against Montana be enough to lift them past EWU's GPI after a win against NAU? For that matter how many times has a conference with 3 teams the top 15 GPI not got all three in?

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Three other albeit more subjective factors in EWU's favor would be 1) going out on a 4 game winning streak where they are currently winning by an average of over 20 pts/game 2) looking at the CS weekly poll thread, we're going to be in most people's top 15 and if we beat NAU should finish the season somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 in most polls, and 3) our current GPI is 13 versus Weber State at 16 and MSU at 23.

How often has the #12ish ranked team in the nation that is eligible for the post season not received an at-large? Would Weber's win against Poly and MSU's win against Montana be enough to lift them past EWU's GPI after a win against NAU? For that matter how many times has a conference with 3 teams the top 15 GPI not got all three in?

The GPI and the finishing on a winning streak are good arguments as to why the committee would go EWU over WSU.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Idaho in 1995 was. They didn't have an FBS win. As I said on another thread you are not 8-3, you are 7-3 in the committee's eyes.

I thought Idaho was 8-3 that year. Did they play a D-II? Where can I find a link to BSC results pre-2000?

No they were 7-4 that year as I was kinda shocked that they did get in with that. They finished on a tremendous hot streak winning their last 5 or 6 games. As far as where to find the BSC information pre 2000 I am at a loss for that one.

[JALMOND]

Three other albeit more subjective factors in EWU's favor would be 1) going out on a 4 game winning streak where they are currently winning by an average of over 20 pts/game 2) looking at the CS weekly poll thread, we're going to be in most people's top 15 and if we beat NAU should finish the season somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 in most polls, and 3) our current GPI is 13 versus Weber State at 16 and MSU at 23.

How often has the #12ish ranked team in the nation that is eligible for the post season not received an at-large? Would Weber's win against Poly and MSU's win against Montana be enough to lift them past EWU's GPI after a win against NAU? For that matter how many times has a conference with 3 teams the top 15 GPI not got all three in?

2006...Portland State, had not lost since a loss at Montana State the second week in October, finished the year 9th in the GPI, had a win over FBS New Mexico (who not only was bowl eligible that year, but won their bowl game), had the 7 DI wins (7-4 overall, 6-2 vs FCS), and had turkey at my house that year. That year the Big Sky had the same number of representatives in the playoffs as the Ohio Valley did (2). The committee favored the second place OVC team as well as Coastal Carolina over PSU.

You see, I know a thing or two about that damn committee process.