Who's the best team?

[ASUG8]

This is not a debate about how difficult it is to play there. Fact is, teams will not come there.

I'd need to see some credible link to this - seems crazy, since I doubt the Dome is any more difficult to play than either Kidd Brewer or Wa-Griz.

I just wanted to see some link stating UM or ASU's reasoning for not coming. We haven't done things like that with McNeese, and I don't think the home/home deals will be like that. I'm not discounting your program or how difficult the Dome is to play in - it just sounded like teams were afraid to play there without some guarantees, and I hadn't heard that before.

[clenz]

Been over this before. We have tried, multiple times, to get UM and ASU to do a home and home but they will not. I've saw the e-mails and heard some phone conversations, it won't happen.


I take that back, ASU did agree to come to the dome on the following conditions:
1- UNI pays them at least $50K
2- UNI pays for the travel expense of ASU
3- ASU doesn't have to pay for UNI to travel or to play there

Yeah, some fucking deal that was.

After UNI wins multiple titles, they'll be able to make demands like that too. And just think, that'll be........NEVER.

It's good to be king!

They made those demands knowing UNI would never give ASU 50k PLUS cost of travel for ASU and not have at least the cost of travel returned to them

Been over this before. We have tried, multiple times, to get UM and ASU to do a home and home but they will not. I've saw the e-mails and heard some phone conversations, it won't happen.


I take that back, ASU did agree to come to the dome on the following conditions:
1- UNI pays them at least $50K
2- UNI pays for the travel expense of ASU
3- ASU doesn't have to pay for UNI to travel or to play there


Yeah, some **** deal that was.

I'd need to see some credible link to this - seems crazy, since I doubt the Dome is any more difficult to play than either Kidd Brewer or Wa-Griz.

It has nothing to do with how hard it is to play in the dome. They don't want to play at UNI, for reasons they won't say. You want a credible link? You mean the fact I work for the ticket office, and help out the manager non-stop with trying to get things worked out isn't credible?

Been over this before. We have tried, multiple times, to get UM and ASU to do a home and home but they will not. I've saw the e-mails and heard some phone conversations, it won't happen.


I take that back, ASU did agree to come to the dome on the following conditions:
1- UNI pays them at least $50K
2- UNI pays for the travel expense of ASU
3- ASU doesn't have to pay for UNI to travel or to play there


Yeah, some fucking deal that was.

I think I've been over this a couple of times with UNI guys as well but it is normally over the "buyout" thing when they get feeling all high and mighty about shit. WE HAVE played at the UNI Dome and didn't have a return trip from UNI. You can ask D & Cap'n about that if you don't believe me. We played there in 1987 and won the game 33-16. We never had UNI here outside of the playoffs so I don't think it's a just a motter of not wanting to play there. I can see something happening in the future if it would be mutually beneficial financially to both schools but we would be giving up a shitload of money at this point so it may not happen. I am pretty sure that is what ASU is up against as well and why they ask for a little extra stipend to offset the loss that they would incur by doing a straight home and home.

As far as I know it has nothing to do with not returning after 1987. The fact is ASU and Montana won't do a home and home, no matter the buyout clause, unless UNI pays them to play at the UNIDome and then pays them again to play at WaGriz or KBS

[SuperHornet]

My heart says that the best team in college football is Sac State.

My brain says it's Montana.

What I'd like to see is an ultimate playoff: all of the champions in all divisions through NAIA. We'd probably have to take the top two NAIAs because I think the two NAIA divisions merged a while back. But that would be fun. I'd love to see Montana vs. Mount Union in the final.

[clenz]

My heart says that the best team in college football is Sac State.

My brain says it's Montana.

What I'd like to see is an ultimate playoff: all of the champions in all divisions through NAIA. We'd probably have to take the top two NAIAs because I think the two NAIA divisions merged a while back. But that would be fun. I'd love to see Montana vs. Mount Union in the final.

Mt. Union would NOT get passed the D2 title winner. The top 5 teams or so in D2 would make a hell of a FCS team.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Been over this before. We have tried, multiple times, to get UM and ASU to do a home and home but they will not. I've saw the e-mails and heard some phone conversations, it won't happen.


I take that back, ASU did agree to come to the dome on the following conditions:
1- UNI pays them at least $50K
2- UNI pays for the travel expense of ASU
3- ASU doesn't have to pay for UNI to travel or to play there


Yeah, some **** deal that was.

I'd need to see some credible link to this - seems crazy, since I doubt the Dome is any more difficult to play than either Kidd Brewer or Wa-Griz.

EWU has played in all 3 and had impressive showings in all 3. I'd like to see EWU go back to the dome and get the job done this time though. I think a home and home with UNI would be cool, but travel costs will prevent it from happening. EWU needs a big payday in order to travel far. A home and home with NDSU or SDSU would be more reasonable.

[ASUMountaineer]

Which is why the Montana/App State and Montana/McNeese St home and home series that were just announced are so surprising.

Surprising, but fanfuckingtastic. I cannot wait to see App in Missoula. I saw McNeese play in WaGriz in the first round in 2006 so that one won't have as much significance to me personally.

I can't either, and we're planning on being there...depending on some of you Missoula chodes (specifically AZGrizFcuker) to hook us up with good tix.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

As far as I know it has nothing to do with not returning after 1987. The fact is ASU and Montana won't do a home and home, no matter the buyout clause, unless UNI pays them to play at the UNIDome and then pays them again to play at WaGriz or KBS

I doubt that it has anything to do with the previous game either and I was making mention of it simply to dispell the "they don't want to play here because it's tough" thing that others have touted in past conversations. Fact is, we have played there.

The reason it's gonna be tough to get either MT or ASU there is that they would take a financial hit to do a home and home with UNI and AD's are not into taking hits like that. I assume the AD's of both schools that you are trying to get this done with don't think that their fans are gonna want to pay the premium ticket price for the UNI home game that would be required and therefore are looking for some financial concessions from UNI to make it happen. UNI doesn't want to make the financial concessions and neither do UM or ASU so it is not a deal worth pursuing at that point by the schools.

The fact of the matter is this is somewhat similar to prize fighting and the principle's in that game also do not always split the proverbial pot equally to get a fight to happen even though both enter the ring for the same fight.

[AZGrizFan]

I'd need to see some credible link to this - seems crazy, since I doubt the Dome is any more difficult to play than either Kidd Brewer or Wa-Griz.

EWU has played in all 3 and had impressive showings in all 3. I'd like to see EWU go back to the dome and get the job done this time though. I think a home and home with UNI would be cool, but travel costs will prevent it from happening. EWU needs a big payday in order to travel far. A home and home with NDSU or SDSU would be more reasonable.

Cheney - Fargo: 1161 miles
Cheney - Brookings: 1315 miles
Cheney to UNI: 1562 miles

Not sure how you see travel costs being too much different here....

[AZGrizFan]

Surprising, but fanfuckingtastic. I cannot wait to see App in Missoula. I saw McNeese play in WaGriz in the first round in 2006 so that one won't have as much significance to me personally.

I can't either, and we're planning on being there...depending on some of you Missoula chodes (specifically AZGrizFcuker) to hook us up with good tix.

Hey, fucker....I don't live in Missoula. You want good tickets, contact Urus Arctos Horri-fuckin-billis.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

EWU has played in all 3 and had impressive showings in all 3. I'd like to see EWU go back to the dome and get the job done this time though. I think a home and home with UNI would be cool, but travel costs will prevent it from happening. EWU needs a big payday in order to travel far. A home and home with NDSU or SDSU would be more reasonable.

Cheney - Fargo: 1161 miles
Cheney - Brookings: 1315 miles
Cheney to UNI: 1562 miles

Not sure how you see travel costs being too much different here....

Come on AZ, the XDsu's are clearly bus trips whereas the UNI trip would have to be a plane.

[AZGrizFan]

Cheney - Fargo: 1161 miles
Cheney - Brookings: 1315 miles
Cheney to UNI: 1562 miles

Not sure how you see travel costs being too much different here....

Come on AZ, the XDsu's are clearly bus trips whereas the UNI trip would have to be a plane.

Oh, well then, never mind.

They'd better start loading the bus NOW for that game in 2010.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I can't either, and we're planning on being there...depending on some of you Missoula chodes (specifically AZGrizFcuker) to hook us up with good tix.

Hey, fucker....I don't live in Missoula. You want good tickets, contact Urus Arctos Horri-fuckin-billis.

Ruh Roh! I better start smoothing the ticket ladies now. I have a lot of friends in Boone that I haven't had the opportunity to meet face to face yet. The one I have met face to face was, well, "backwoodsey handsome" I guess so I need to cleanse the visual palate.

[McNeese75]

Its true. UNI has tried to set up some big time series with FCS teams, but none will do it. All UNI wants is a home and home, but nobody is willing.

McNeese and UNI used to play home and home series so I doubt they have been turned down by the Cowboy Admin. Transportation costs are high but the Cowboys do travel

[Screamin_Eagle174]

EWU has played in all 3 and had impressive showings in all 3. I'd like to see EWU go back to the dome and get the job done this time though. I think a home and home with UNI would be cool, but travel costs will prevent it from happening. EWU needs a big payday in order to travel far. A home and home with NDSU or SDSU would be more reasonable.

Cheney - Fargo: 1161 miles
Cheney - Brookings: 1315 miles
Cheney to UNI: 1562 miles

Not sure how you see travel costs being too much different here....

EWU to SUU: 987 miles. Not too far off from NDSU.

[dbackjon]

NAU has done two home and home series with UNi in the past two decades

[AZGrizFan]

Cheney - Fargo: 1161 miles
Cheney - Brookings: 1315 miles
Cheney to UNI: 1562 miles

Not sure how you see travel costs being too much different here....

EWU to SUU: 987 miles. Not too far off from NDSU.

Exactly. Travel expenses aren't the issue here.

[DJH]

Its true. UNI has tried to set up some big time series with FCS teams, but none will do it. All UNI wants is a home and home, but nobody is willing.

McNeese and UNI used to play home and home series so I doubt they have been turned down by the Cowboy Admin. Transportation costs are high but the Cowboys do travel

You are right. This has happened in the past. This shows that UNI is willing to play big FCS schools home and home. But in the last several years, teams have not been willing to set up a home and home with UNI. And that's a fact.

It seems some of you think that UNI should treat certain schools as FBS schools, as if its a privilage for us to play them. As if they would be doing us a favor.

[AZGrizFan]

McNeese and UNI used to play home and home series so I doubt they have been turned down by the Cowboy Admin. Transportation costs are high but the Cowboys do travel

You are right. This has happened in the past. This shows that UNI is willing to play big FCS schools home and home. But in the last several years, teams have not been willing to set up a home and home with UNI. And that's a fact.

It seems some of you think that UNI should treat certain schools as FBS schools, as if its a privilage for us to play them. As if they would be doing us a favor.

You should. Any school with mutliple NC's should be treated as an FBS school for scheduling purposes:

Montana
ASU
GSU
YSU

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

McNeese and UNI used to play home and home series so I doubt they have been turned down by the Cowboy Admin. Transportation costs are high but the Cowboys do travel

You are right. This has happened in the past. This shows that UNI is willing to play big FCS schools home and home. But in the last several years, teams have not been willing to set up a home and home with UNI. And that's a fact.

It seems some of you think that UNI should treat certain schools as FBS schools, as if its a privilage for us to play them. As if they would be doing us a favor.

Get off the fucking pity party. You aren't getting the games because the schools you are trying to get the games with have better financial options. It has nothing to do with anything else. If UNI wants those games bad enough then they will have to make it worth the while for the schools they want to schedule. It has nothing at all to do with any of us fans or anyone else thinking they are better than you or should be treated as superiors in the division. I, and many others would like to see the games as much as the UNI fans would but for the administration there are better financial options out there and that's a fact. That's why I say it ain't a good deal and it won't happen. If the truth be told ASU & Montana DO make FBS style money on the home games so it's an obstacle that won't be overcome by wishing it away.

[JayJ79]

I don't think that UNI (as in, the athletic dept.) really WANTS those games.
There isn't really any benefit in going out of the way to schedule them. At least not in the present environment.

It's not really going to make any more money financially.
Nor is it all that likely to help improve playoff chances.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I don't think that UNI (as in, the athletic dept.) really WANTS those games.
There isn't really any benefit in going out of the way to schedule them. At least not in the present environment.

It's not really going to make any more money financially.
Nor is it all that likely to help improve playoff chances.

i totally agree with you Jay. I think all of the AD's are looking to keep the options open for these kind of things as they are very cool when they happen but in the real world they aren't worth the lost money or the opportunity at a playoff bid and so forth. Just because WE as fans want it doesn't mean that the school's necessarily want it.

[clenz]

I don't think that UNI (as in, the athletic dept.) really WANTS those games.
There isn't really any benefit in going out of the way to schedule them. At least not in the present environment.

It's not really going to make any more money financially.
Nor is it all that likely to help improve playoff chances.

False. Farley and Dannen both want either Montana or ASU on the schedule. However, the home and home with ASU and UM will make it impossible for UNI to get either one before 2015 probably.


You are talking like it would cost you money to play UNI, which isn't true, especially given the circumstances that ASU wants to put UNI in. Did you miss the part where they want at least 50K to play at UNI and have UNI cover their travel costs. Yet, they won't even cover UNI's travel costs out to Boone...let alone pay them to come out there.


With the 10-15% budget cut at the state schools in Iowa shit like that won't happen

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I don't know who you're talking to there clenz? Jay is a UNI fan I thought?

If you're talking to me then IT WOULD be a hit for UM as the amount of money covered by UNI under the scenario suggested even though it costs UNI more doesn't even come close to losing a home game for UM.

If you weren't talking to me then never mind.

[clenz]

I don't know who you're talking to there clenz? Jay is a UNI fan I thought?

If you're talking to me then IT WOULD be a hit for UM as the amount of money covered by UNI under the scenario suggested even though it costs UNI more doesn't even come close to losing a home game for UM.

If you weren't talking to me then nevermidnd.

I was talking to both of you. Why would UM lose a home game? Why couldn't it be an OOC game that would be on the road anyway? Is Montana really that fucking stubborn to leave WaGriz?


I also don't know what UM was asking for money wise. All I know is that they wanted it in Montana or Denver/Laramie/Las Vegas

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I don't know who you're talking to there clenz? Jay is a UNI fan I thought?

If you're talking to me then IT WOULD be a hit for UM as the amount of money covered by UNI under the scenario suggested even though it costs UNI more doesn't even come close to losing a home game for UM.

If you weren't talking to me then nevermidnd.

I was talking to both of you. Why would UM lose a home game? Why couldn't it be an OOC game that would be on the road anyway? Is Montana really that fucking stubborn to leave WaGriz?


I also don't know what UM was asking for money wise. All I know is that they wanted it in Montana or Denver/Laramie/Las Vegas

Well they have their plate pretty full and they don't want to leave the home for another OOC as that will take away a home game when we have to go to the UNI Dome. Going to the UNI Dome takes away the cupcake game that adds 1 million to the coffers for that game. They probably also get some pressure from the local businessmen that add to the kitty as well for playing that away game. I don't know the particulars of the situation though so I'm just speculating. You can take it as a slight if you want to but the fact of the matter is that they are not gonna go on the road very often unless the money is right. In that regard I guess they will be "fucking stubborn" about parting with the cash.

The App. State & McNeese games will VERY likely be a $50 ticket for the fans, the Homecoming game is also a $50 ticket as is the MSU game when we have them here. How many of those tickets in a given year do you think the AD is gonna be able to get through before an uprising and backlash from the fanbase. I would be happy to pay it but a lot of Griz fans may not be licking their chops for that game. I don't know for sure though.