Should NDSU move to the MAC?

[DJH]

The budget issue has to be solved but the new baskeball arena (see stadium data base), which may now have funding, would really increase our attendance. Our womens volleyball team was in the NCAA tournament last year and is headed for another birth this season. The mens BB team was in the Dance. All of these things are good for the MAC.

I saw 1 Summit league team, 1 MVC team and 1 MAC team in the dance last year. It looks to me basketball would be a wash. There are Summit League teams averaging 1,000/game too.

The move would be football driven. Instead of 1 FBS payout per year we would have 2 or 3.

The MVC is traditionally a multi-bid league, and should have been last year, as Creighton was snubbed. If you win games in the MVC, you are contenders for an-large spots in the NCAA's.

In 2004, the MVC had FOUR teams in the tournament. When comparing the MVC to the Summit and call it a "wash" is ridiculous, and displays your ignorance on this whole topic. The MAC is a terrible basketball conference, and the Summit is a league that will never have more than one team in the tournament.

[dbackjon]

So u are basing this all on a 1/14 share of the MAC miilion dollar FBS payout.

[JBB]

Rank the MVC anyplace you want, they still only had 1 team in, same as the Summit.

The most important thing about BB is the NCAA tournament. NDSU would have as much chance in the MAC as the Summit. The MVC has no bearing on that. I dont know what happened in 2004 apparently you DJH are the resident historian and know everything. All I know is this: In 2009 the MVC had as many teams in the Dance as the MAC and the Summit. Whats the Summit got to do with it anyway? I am pushing for membership in the MAC.

You can sit around and brag all day that the MVC is better than the MAC. toss in a few personal insults while you are at it. but when finished would you exlain what the MVC has to do with NDSU in the MAC? Also, would that guy from Fargo tell me what his point is. I think he is saying the Summit is a better BB league than the MAC? Even if it is, so what? We move all sports to the MAC.

The MAC gives NDSU the opportunity to maximize its athletic programs in a way that will help advance the university as a whole and make the community a better place to live. We would offer in return an athletic program that has the same profile as the MAC schools, a nice new market and a solid history of maintaining athletic programs at a high level.

[Willie]

I can't believe this thread is still kicking.

[JBB]

So u are basing this all on a 1/14 share of the MAC miilion dollar FBS payout.

There will be a lot of extra revenue streams and the FBS payout is one. Last year the FBS bowl payout to the MAC exceeded $3 million. There will have to be increased corporate support and the fans will have to increase their support, much as they did for the jump to the FCS.

In time, sooner rather than later, there would be a new, much larger football stadium. We saw attendance almost double to near capacity with the move to the FCS. I dont think the Fabulous Fargo Dome is the right scale for NDSU in the FBS, but it is big enough to give us the platform to move up.

I would expect an increase in media revenues as well. I would also expect the move to result in a higher profile for NDSU and an increase in enrollment and research dollars.

We saw all of this happen with the move to the FCS and I expect, although it may not be as large, to see the same type of phenomena with a move to the MAC.

[dbackjon]

Ok. Even at 3 million a schools share is 200K. Still leaves you a 10 million deficit, plus cost of new stadium

[Cap'n Cat]

So u are basing this all on a 1/14 share of the MAC miilion dollar FBS payout.

There will be a lot of extra revenue streams and the FBS payout is one. Last year the FBS bowl payout to the MAC exceeded $3 million. There will have to be increased corporate support and the fans will have to increase their support, much as they did for the jump to the FCS.

In time, sooner rather than later, there would be a new, much larger football stadium. We saw attendance almost double to near capacity with the move to the FCS. I dont think the Fabulous Fargo Dome is the right scale for NDSU in the FBS, but it is big enough to give us the platform to move up.

I would expect an increase in media revenues as well. I would also expect the move to result in a higher profile for NDSU and an increase in enrollment and research dollars.

We saw all of this happen with the move to the FCS and I expect, although it may not be as large, to see the same type of phenomena with a move to the MAC.

Ain't gonna happen. Fargo, like it or not, is a media backwater. UM-Duluth and Grand Valley State might get in the MAC before NDSU.

[FargoBison]

Well JBB someday I would like NDSU to join the MVC. The conference is great in many sports, it completely outclasses the MAC. Plus it has schools that are in our region and we are already in it for football.

Just let the MAC talk go, it is silly. The only FBS conference that is looking at expansion and would consider NDSU is the WAC. That conference already has a lot of travel while the MAC is much more compact. Plus it looks like it might very well lose a member or two.

I honestly don't mind if NDSU fans aspire to be in a better conference but at least make some sense. Take a step back and you will see the MAC has a bunch of schools that are not going anywhere and they are all relatively close to each other. NDSU is easily on par academically with MAC but that is about the only plus we have when it comes to MAC membership.

[JBB]

Obviously dbackjohn you didnt read my post. Never-the-less your fixation on the FBS pay out is interesting. My point about the bowl system was its advantages over the playoff system. NDSU fans shouldnt let some concept of playing for title on the field cloud their good senses when considering advancing the program to the MAC.

For FBS schools the bowl system is a much more lucrative arraignment than the playoffs we have in the FCS. The playoff system is a money loser for almost everyone involved, and does nothing for the teams that dont get in, Bowls pay everybody.

Its just one more reason for NDSU to gear up for a move to the MAC, not the only one.

[Cap'n Cat]

Obviously dbackjohn you didnt read my post. Never-the-less your fixation on the FBS pay out is interesting. My point about the bowl system was its advantages over the playoff system. NDSU fans shouldnt let some concept of playing for title on the field cloud their good senses when considering advancing the program to the MAC.

For FBS schools the bowl system is a much more lucrative arraignment than the playoffs we have in the FCS. The playoff system is a money loser for almost everyone involved, and does nothing for the teams that dont get in, Bowls pay everybody.

Its just one more reason for NDSU to gear up for a move to the MAC, not the only one.

First, learn to spell.

Second, win a string of conference championships in FCS.

Third, get in the playoffs, at least once.

Fourth, win a bunch of playoff games.

Until then, sit back, shut up and support your team. What are you, 12 or something?

[JBB]

Its nice to aspire to membership in the MVC, but that wont help NDSU as a whole. In fact it wont help NDSU at all. Staying in the MVFC will hold NDSU back. The MAC is the most geographically friendly FBS conference for NDSU. The WAC has a lot of better choices, including the Montana schools. I believe they are going to the WAC for the same reasons we might be headed for the MAC.

NDSU has a commitment to basketball. That commitment has taken the form of plans for a new arena, maintaining a good coaching staff and scheduling. We have had some exciting times moving up to D1. For NDSU the MAC is no better or worse than the Summit. its not the conference we are in but rather its the way NDSU competes.

To stay in the MVFC to get into the basketball side is not taking the program where it should be. In some respects its actually letting it languish.

[JBB]

get a spell check for this fishwrap.

No, Im not an adolescent preoccupied with winning. Im looking at a much larger picture than that and Im hoping for the best for NDSU. right now NDSU has proven the MVFC is too small for us. We are the largest program in the conference. It didnt take winning a championship, wining a few playoff games or sitting back and relaxing. It simply took NDSUs marketing and commitment to athletics knowing they leverage the overall success of the university in proportion to the size of the markets we are participating in.

The MAC is a step up in that regard.

[Willie]

get a spell check for this fishwrap.

No, Im not an adolescent preoccupied with winning. Im looking at a much larger picture than that and Im hoping for the best for NDSU. right now NDSU has proven the MVFC is too small for us. We are the largest program in the conference. It didnt take winning a championship, wining a few playoff games or sitting back and relaxing. It simply took NDSUs marketing and commitment to athletics knowing they leverage the overall success of the university in proportion to the size of the markets we are participating in.

The MAC is a step up in that regard.

Tell that to the University of St. Thomas in St. Paul. They're Division-III...

Enrollment: 5,304 undergrad, 5,486 graduate

[FargoBison]

Its nice to aspire to membership in the MVC, but that wont help NDSU as a whole. In fact it wont help NDSU at all. Staying in the MVFC will hold NDSU back. The MAC is the most geographically friendly FBS conference for NDSU. The WAC has a lot of better choices, including the Montana schools. I believe they are going to the WAC for the same reasons we might be headed for the MAC.

NDSU has a commitment to basketball. That commitment has taken the form of plans for a new arena, maintaining a good coaching staff and scheduling. We have had some exciting times moving up to D1. For NDSU the MAC is no better or worse than the Summit. its not the conference we are in but rather its the way NDSU competes.

To stay in the MVFC to get into the basketball side is not taking the program where it should be. In some respects its actually letting it languish.

Basketball would flourish in the MVC, our coaching staff would be doing cartwheels since it would be easier to recruit and schedule. Creighton, Wichita State, SIU, Ill State, UNI, Drake, etc. I could go on and on with MVC schools that have had some nice runs in basketball lately. To say joining the MVC would hold us back is laughable. It would put NDSU in a perfect situation. Basketball, a revenue sport, would benefit much more than it would from joining the MAC.

As for the WAC. Lets say Boise goes to the MWC and La Tech finally finds a conference that makes sense for them. That puts them at 7 schools, they would have room to add a lot of schools. They could add NDSU, Montana, Montana State, and UCD plus another school, cut the conference into divisions, and still be very solid. While that scenario is unlikely it more likely than the MAC(already at 12 schools and 13 for football) adding another school.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

The overblown egos of SOME NDSU fans is so fucking entertaining.

You guys have not done shit, your University is no more well known or highly sought after than any other University in the region and in fact a liability in comparison to many and yet you think you should move up to cover the fact that you guys have shit the bed at this level. It's a good diversion for the angst that y'all must be feeling due to the lack of performance at this level.

JUST WAIT TILL WE ARE PLAYOFF ELIGIBLE!!!

This seems to have taken quite a comical turn for the best.

[dbackjon]

Done here with this since you have made up your mind that Bowls are better.

[JayJ79]

The MAC is the most geographically friendly FBS conference for NDSU.

It's geographically friendly to be three states away from your closest opponent?
(and we're talking REAL states, not puny New England type states)

right now NDSU has proven the MVFC is too small for us. We are the largest program in the conference.

And just how did you determine that you are the "largest program"?
It's certainly not in enrollment.
You might have lead in football attendance last year, but it wasn't by that much, and numerous other conference schools have had years where their average football attendance topped yours. *shrug*

[Sioux]

Everyone is finally understanding what UND and MVC fans have to go through.

JBB actually said in a earlier post that the Summit League is a "great conference". No smilies, nothing. Don't get me wrong, I would love for UND to join the Summit, which it will. But I will not be bragging about the strength of it, ever.

[houndawg]

As long as they move, who cares?












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[Ursus A. Horribilis]

As long as they move, who cares?












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Agreed. I have been conflicted about doing anything that could in any way hinder NDSU moving but the dump truck of stupidity on this thread was hard to resist. I wish they would move just to get rid of these shit heels. The few good ones would stay on and the vast majority of these fuckers could be off contaminating some new group.

[FargoBison]

All right JBB, here is your chance...I found the perfect place for you to make your pitch.....

http://ncaabbs.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=472

[DJH]

JBB, you simply have a completely over inflated view of NDSU's place in the sports world. You really have no clue about anything you are talking about.

[skinny_uncle]

Makes no geographic sense to me. Sunbelt makes more sense if they want to move up. Less gas and they might actually win a game.

[JBB]

I sense that FargoBison realizes a move to the FBS is good for NDSU. Its a football centric move because baskeball has no sub classes. The FBS represents the top of the NCAA Division 1 football.

I know there has been a lot of talk in Fargo about the WAC. If its the WAC so be it, but if its the MAC thats fine too.

The most important thing is the vision to see the way. NDSU and Fargo should have an FBS football team with a stadium large enough to host the Big 10 and Big 12 teams. I feel its a manifest destiny and I know others, including Coach Bohl feel the same way.

I saw the entire UND organization, some BISON fans and lots of NCC members laugh at the Mighty Land Grants when they announced the move to Division 1. I heard the same kind of talk I now hear from many of you. Obviously they were wrong and I think the denigrators exposing themselves here are wrong.

[houndawg]

The difference between NDSU and WKU/Arkansas State is that WKU and ASU were good FCS teams before they moved up. Your problem is that you'll have to recruit nationwide to even have a chance at being competitive with the bottom-tier of FBS and nobody wants to go to Fargo, ND, to play ball in a remote wasteland.