Big Sky Power Rankings 10-26

[native]

Too bad MSU owns neither. Is that hot sour milk in your mug?

Remember, we have the same record and hold the head to head over Weber

Your statement will be correct, cat, only if Montana State wins out and Weber falters in Missoula, but otherwise wins out. In that case, Weber and MSU would both have 7 DI wins and identical 6-2 conference records, but the Bobcats would own the head-to-head tie-breaker.

[kalm]

I know we can't get to 8 D-I wins, and I never said we could. DUH. But we can reach 8 wins, 7 of the D-I, which is the minimum requirement for an at-large selection, and looks better to the committee than 7-4. Please tell me oh wise one, when was the last time a 7-4 team made the playoffs as an at-large? Then tell me the last time an 8-3 teams with still only 7 D-I wins made the playoffs as an at large. In those answers you'll find my point. Nothing foolish about that.

Eags, your DII win does not count one way or the other. Neither does Montana's DII win. Your FBS loss counts, just as our FBS losses count.

Right now, the best record EWU can hope for is 7-3 only IF everything goes right. The best record Weber can hope for is 8-3. Even if WSU loses to Montana, but wins out the rest, Weber will have 3 victories over ranked teams, plus the head to head against EWU, while Eastern Washington will have maybe two quality wins.

I am not trying to make fun of you but you should really sober up and do the math.

What do you have against drunk people doing math? I heard Pythagoras liked to tip more than a few. Besides, I know lots of sober people who can't do math either. Perhaps Screamin is sober as a judge and simply crappy at math? Ever thought of that? Quit judging drunk.

[native]

...Like I said in the other thread, a one or no loss Montana followed by a 7-4 Weber with two close FBS losses, and another 8-3 at large is a real possibility - espcecially if Poly and Davis finish with 4 losses each. Of course that would involve some travel as none of the BSC teams could meet till the 2nd round. Plus, it would be forcing a 5th CAA or 3rd MVC team out of the mix.

Check that. Upon reviewing the MVC's standings and remaining schedule, they look pretty tough and solid for 3 bids. The A-12 may only be deserving of three as well.

I disagree that UNI looks good for a second at-large and third MVFC bid to the playoffs.

The MVFC is a power conference at the very top, but this year after the top three I would take any of the top five Big Sky teams in this dogfight! Having lost to both SIU and SDSU, Northern Iowa has exactly ZERO quality wins and very little chance of getting one.

Cal Poly, at 7 DI wins including a 21-14 victory over MVFC's South Dakota Sate, is far more deserving than UNI with 8 wins over nobody.

No disrespect to the other great programs in the MVFC, but until someone beats one of the top three, the bottom of the conference is weak as hell.

[native]

Eags, your DII win does not count one way or the other. Neither does Montana's DII win. Your FBS loss counts, just as our FBS losses count.

Right now, the best record EWU can hope for is 7-3 only IF everything goes right. The best record Weber can hope for is 8-3. Even if WSU loses to Montana, but wins out the rest, Weber will have 3 victories over ranked teams, plus the head to head against EWU, while Eastern Washington will have maybe two quality wins.

I am not trying to make fun of you but you should really sober up and do the math.

What do you have against drunk people doing math? I heard Pythagoras liked to tip more than a few. Besides, I know lots of sober people who can't do math either. Perhaps Screamin is sober as a judge and simply crappy at math? Ever thought of that? Quit judging drunk.

After today, we will all give screamin' a pass because he is obviously and understandably intoxicated with excitement over the NCAA announcement.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

I know we can't get to 8 D-I wins, and I never said we could. DUH. But we can reach 8 wins, 7 of the D-I, which is the minimum requirement for an at-large selection, and looks better to the committee than 7-4. Please tell me oh wise one, when was the last time a 7-4 team made the playoffs as an at-large? Then tell me the last time an 8-3 teams with still only 7 D-I wins made the playoffs as an at large. In those answers you'll find my point. Nothing foolish about that.

Eags, your DII win does not count one way or the other. Neither does Montana's DII win. Your FBS loss counts, just as our FBS losses count.

Right now, the best record EWU can hope for is 7-3 only IF everything goes right. The best record Weber can hope for is 8-3. Even if WSU loses to Montana, but wins out the rest, Weber will have 3 victories over ranked teams, plus the head to head against EWU, while Eastern Washington will have maybe two quality wins.

I am not trying to make fun of you but you should really sober up and do the math.

I would if I could, but I can't because I haven't been drinking. Tell me to sober up this Saturday, (after we beat PSU) so I can reply to you with a resounded 'No, go fuck yourself.'

[kalm]

Check that. Upon reviewing the MVC's standings and remaining schedule, they look pretty tough and solid for 3 bids. The A-12 may only be deserving of three as well.

I disagree that UNI looks good for a second at-large and third MVFC bid to the playoffs.

The MVFC is a power conference at the very top, but this year after the top three I would take any of the top five Big Sky teams in this dogfight! Having lost to both SIU and SDSU, Northern Iowa has exactly ZERO quality wins and very little chance of getting one.

Cal Poly, at 7 DI wins including a 21-14 victory over MVFC's South Dakota Sate, is far more deserving than UNI with 8 wins over nobody.

No disrespect to the other great programs in the MVFC, but until someone beats one of the top three, the bottom of the conference is weak as hell.

Great point, and you're right about Poly beating SDSU. Even if Youngstown and Missouri State upset a couple of the top three teams, that has the potential to further weaken the conference. Especially if Poly wins out except for Weber.

[native]

I disagree that UNI looks good for a second at-large and third MVFC bid to the playoffs.

The MVFC is a power conference at the very top, but this year after the top three I would take any of the top five Big Sky teams in this dogfight! Having lost to both SIU and SDSU, Northern Iowa has exactly ZERO quality wins and very little chance of getting one.

Cal Poly, at 7 DI wins including a 21-14 victory over MVFC's South Dakota Sate, is far more deserving than UNI with 8 wins over nobody.

No disrespect to the other great programs in the MVFC, but until someone beats one of the top three, the bottom of the conference is weak as hell.

Great point, and you're right about Poly beating SDSU. Even if Youngstown and Missouri State upset a couple of the top three teams, that has the potential to further weaken the conference. Especially if Poly wins out except for Weber.

Unfortunately the only way for Cal Poly to achieve the 7 DI wins is to win out, including Weber.

[SDHornet]

The EWU fans have been talking as if the post-season ban has been lifted. Is this the case? If not and the ban is enforced, doesn’t all this back and forth mean absolutely nothing?

So assuming the ban will be enforced, the schools concidered for the playoff bids are Montana, WSU, NAU, and MSU.

[dbackjon]

There is a thread about this - the ban was lifted by the NCAA.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

The EWU fans have been talking as if the post-season ban has been lifted. Is this the case? If not and the ban is enforced, doesn’t all this back and forth mean absolutely nothing?

So assuming the ban will be enforced, the schools concidered for the playoff bids are Montana, WSU, NAU, and MSU.

Hornet fans don't get out much, do they?

[SDHornet]

The EWU fans have been talking as if the post-season ban has been lifted. Is this the case? If not and the ban is enforced, doesn’t all this back and forth mean absolutely nothing?

So assuming the ban will be enforced, the schools concidered for the playoff bids are Montana, WSU, NAU, and MSU.

Hornet fans don't get out much, do they?

I've been studying for a licensure exam the past couple months or so and finally got the exam over with this past weekend. Haven't had a whole lot of time to post on sites other than Sacbuzz. Hopefully I can catch up.

dbackjon thanks for the update.

[Wildcat Ryan]

Hopefully, when Jalmond does these rankings again next week, #1 and #2 will swap places.

[JALMOND]

The EWU fans have been talking as if the post-season ban has been lifted. Is this the case? If not and the ban is enforced, doesn’t all this back and forth mean absolutely nothing?

So assuming the ban will be enforced, the schools concidered for the playoff bids are Montana, WSU, NAU, and MSU.

Hornet fans don't get out much, do they?

Now with the NBA starting up (and college football winding down), not much of a reason to get out in Sac-Town. Plenty of great seats in Arco Arena, if you know what I mean.

[JALMOND]

Hornet fans don't get out much, do they?

Now with the NBA starting up (and college football winding down), not much of a reason to get out in Sac-Town. Plenty of great seats in Arco Arena, if you know what I mean.

Of course, the team is not going to be moving to Seattle any time soon.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Now with the NBA starting up (and college football winding down), not much of a reason to get out in Sac-Town. Plenty of great seats in Arco Arena, if you know what I mean.

Of course, the team is not going to be moving to Seattle any time soon.

You're going to have to try harder than that J-man. I don't even watch much NBA these days. Used to be a big Lakers fan because of Shaq, but not anymore. I keep tabs on Detroit though because of Rodney Stuckey... you know, the guy that was drafted in the first round out of Eastern Washington...

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Hopefully, when Jalmond does these rankings again next week, #1 and #2 will swap places.

I don't care who Jalmond puts at #1 and #2, as long as the Griz beat Weber and MSU!

[cats2506]

Remember, we have the same record and hold the head to head over Weber

Your statement will be correct, cat, only if Montana State wins out and Weber falters in Missoula, but otherwise wins out. In that case, Weber and MSU would both have 7 DI wins and identical 6-2 conference records, but the Bobcats would own the head-to-head tie-breaker.

I was refering to having the same record as EWU.

The biggest problem for us as I see it is our loss to NAU. But NAU probably has the toughest schedule left to play. All I know is that if the Bobcats can win out (which I feel better about happening now) we will be in the mix for at least an at large bid. If we win out we would have the 7 DI wins with 2 wins over top 15 teams and our 3 losses to (2) top 25 teams and an FBS team. The other factor is that we would have finished the season hot wining 4 straight including a win over um. Weber and NAU can still control their own destiny on the path to at least a share of the conf title but only one of them can get it. MSU and EWU require others to falter to get to a share of the title.

MSU's offense is looking better than it has in 3 years right now and we are getting a few guys back on defense, we have 3 of the 4 remaining games at home which should help in the health department too. If our team can avoid stumbling and continue to improve the offense as we have, getting some guys back on defense will give us a good shot at beating um in Bozeman.

At this point um may be a bit of a paper tiger (or bear as it may be), their defense is suspect but their offense looks good but has only played 1 of the top 4 defenses in the conference. Where um seems to be shining is on special teams which could very well be enough.

EDIT: above I forgot that NAU needs sombody (WSU or MSU) to beat um to get a share of the conf title.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Your statement will be correct, cat, only if Montana State wins out and Weber falters in Missoula, but otherwise wins out. In that case, Weber and MSU would both have 7 DI wins and identical 6-2 conference records, but the Bobcats would own the head-to-head tie-breaker.

I was refering to having the same record as EWU.

The biggest problem for us as I see it is our loss to NAU. But NAU probably has the toughest schedule left to play. All I know is that if the Bobcats can win out (which I feel better about happening now) we will be in the mix for at least an at large bid. If we win out we would have the 7 DI wins with 2 wins over top 15 teams and our 3 losses to (2) top 25 teams and an FBS team. The other factor is that we would have finished the season hot wining 4 straight including a win over um. Weber and NAU can still control their own destiny on the path to at least a share of the conf title but only one of them can get it. MSU and EWU require others to falter to get to a share of the title.

MSU's offense is looking better than it has in 3 years right now and we are getting a few guys back on defense, we have 3 of the 4 remaining games at home which should help in the health department too. If our team can avoid stumbling and continue to improve the offense as we have, getting some guys back on defense will give us a good shot at beating um in Bozeman.

At this point um may be a bit of a paper tiger (or bear as it may be), their defense is suspect but their offense looks good but has only played 1 of the top 4 defenses in the conference. Where um seems to be shining is on special teams which could very well be enough.

EDIT: above I forgot that NAU needs sombody (WSU or MSU) to beat um to get a share of the conf title.

I'd wait until after the game this weekend to decide whether or not MSU's offense has turned a corner instead of having a freak game. Our defense isn't that good.

[BlackFalkin]

1. Ewu can get a max 10 D-1 wins in 2009.
-Ewu currently has lost 3 D-1 matches, and if they win out, theyll have 7.

2. Assuming Montana gets the autobid, & EWU wins out, the only team standing in EWU's way is Weber State bc Weber owns the tie-breaker over Ewu.
-EWU needs Weber to lose 2 of their next 3 games, which would give Weber only 6 D-1 wins.

Weber vs UM-possible loss for Weber
Weber vs NAU-toss up but Weber will probably win
Weber vs CalPoly-toss up but CalPoly could pull through.

In this scenario, EWU gets the at large, which is more likely than you think.



I would also like to mention that Ewu wouldnt be in this situation if they had more money in their football budget. Instead of scheduling Cal, they could have scheduled a mediocre FCS home game. ex Western Illinois, and instead of scheduling a *D2* season opener team, they could have scheduled a bad FCS team. this would do two things. Change EWU's record from 5-3 to 6-2 & it would also give 6 D-1 wins already instead of 4.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

1. Ewu can get a max 10 D-1 wins in 2009.
-Ewu currently has lost 3 D-1 matches, and if they win out, theyll have 7.

2. Assuming Montana gets the autobid, & EWU wins out, the only team standing in EWU's way is Weber State bc Weber owns the tie-breaker over Ewu.
-EWU needs Weber to lose 2 of their next 3 games, which would give Weber only 6 D-1 wins.

Weber vs UM-possible loss for Weber
Weber vs NAU-toss up but Weber will probably win
Weber vs CalPoly-toss up but CalPoly could pull through.

In this scenario, EWU gets the at large, which is more likely than you think.



I would also like to mention that Ewu wouldnt be in this situation if they had more money in their football budget. Instead of scheduling Cal, they could have scheduled a mediocre FCS home game. ex Western Illinois, and instead of scheduling a *D2* season opener team, they could have scheduled a bad FCS team. this would do two things. Change EWU's record from 5-3 to 6-2 & it would also give 6 D-1 wins already instead of 4.

You don't think that if MSU won out they'd get picked over us? I originally thought we were golden if we won out and Montana beat Weber no matter what MSU did, but if the Cats won out they'd also be 8-3 with 7 D-I wins, but a more impressive resume. Wins over #2 Montana and #15 Weber, and a close loss against #26 EWU. I guess it comes down to whether the committee considers a team's resume or head to head as more important when picking at-larges.

On an unrelated side note, you played for EWU, right BF? What position did you play?

[BlackFalkin]

You don't think that if MSU won out they'd get picked over us? I originally thought we were golden if we won out and Montana beat Weber no matter what MSU did, but if the Cats won out they'd also be 8-3 with 7 D-I wins, but a more impressive resume. Wins over #2 Montana and #15 Weber, and a close loss against #26 EWU. I guess it comes down to whether the committee considers a team's resume or head to head as more important when picking at-larges.

On an unrelated side note, you played for EWU, right BF? What position did you play?

Good points, however I dont know whats given more weight, tough wins or head to head. To answer your unrelated side note, I did play for Eastern, however, I cant say what side of the ball I played on. What I will tell you is that I played on the 2004 & 2005 teams & have two rings at home

[cats2506]

I was refering to having the same record as EWU.

The biggest problem for us as I see it is our loss to NAU. But NAU probably has the toughest schedule left to play. All I know is that if the Bobcats can win out (which I feel better about happening now) we will be in the mix for at least an at large bid. If we win out we would have the 7 DI wins with 2 wins over top 15 teams and our 3 losses to (2) top 25 teams and an FBS team. The other factor is that we would have finished the season hot wining 4 straight including a win over um. Weber and NAU can still control their own destiny on the path to at least a share of the conf title but only one of them can get it. MSU and EWU require others to falter to get to a share of the title.

MSU's offense is looking better than it has in 3 years right now and we are getting a few guys back on defense, we have 3 of the 4 remaining games at home which should help in the health department too. If our team can avoid stumbling and continue to improve the offense as we have, getting some guys back on defense will give us a good shot at beating um in Bozeman.

At this point um may be a bit of a paper tiger (or bear as it may be), their defense is suspect but their offense looks good but has only played 1 of the top 4 defenses in the conference. Where um seems to be shining is on special teams which could very well be enough.

EDIT: above I forgot that NAU needs sombody (WSU or MSU) to beat um to get a share of the conf title.

I'd wait until after the game this weekend to decide whether or not MSU's offense has turned a corner instead of having a freak game. Our defense isn't that good.

Ok, so your saying ISU's defense is better than yours?

[EWURanger]

I'd wait until after the game this weekend to decide whether or not MSU's offense has turned a corner instead of having a freak game. Our defense isn't that good.

Ok, so your saying ISU's defense is better than yours?

It looked better last Saturday.....