Playoffs: Where we stand (10/17)

[Gil Dobie]

They are in a first place tie with SIU in the MVFC, with home games coming against UNI and SIU. We should know in the next few weeks.

I may sound like a homer here, but no game is easy in Youngstown either. Travelling from South Dakota to Ohio could be a bitch.

SDSU [07] and NDSU [08] learned that first hand the last two years.

As bad as NDSU is this year, a win by YSU in the Fargodome won't be a gimme either.

[DJH]

SDSU did not win at GSU, they beat them in Brookings.

I still don't know how good they are yet, as they really haven't been tested. We are about to find out with their last few games. SDSU has UNI, SIU, and Minnesota left. I say they lose 2 of those 3 and are praying for a playoff spot.

[Thumper 76]

SDSU did not win at GSU, they beat them in Brookings.

I still don't know how good they are yet, as they really haven't been tested. We are about to find out with their last few games. SDSU has UNI, SIU, and Minnesota left. I say they lose 2 of those 3 and are praying for a playoff spot.

So what your saying is that the only way SDSU gets into the playoffs is to win the conference? I think thats a bit off. If they beat SIU or UNI and finish tied for the top or for in second, and plays Minnesota tough, what does UNI have thats that much better than SDSU? They beat all the same people basically, except that GSU is looking like a stronger OCC game than anything UNI has. I think they still have as good a shot as UNI if that happens If SDSU is in second they will have beaten UNI at home this week, and have lost to SIU, and won out the rest of the conference slate. Why would UNI be a lock then and SDSU iffy? And if they lose to UNI but beat SIU then they are tied for the top of the conference, in which case I think they have a solid shot at the playoffs as well. Or, even crazier, if they lose to both SIU and UNI, but beat Minnesota? What happens there?

[DJH]

SDSU did not win at GSU, they beat them in Brookings.

I still don't know how good they are yet, as they really haven't been tested. We are about to find out with their last few games. SDSU has UNI, SIU, and Minnesota left. I say they lose 2 of those 3 and are praying for a playoff spot.

So what your saying is that the only way SDSU gets into the playoffs is to win the conference? I think thats a bit off. If they beat SIU or UNI and finish tied for the top or for in second, and plays Minnesota tough, what does UNI have thats that much better than SDSU? They beat all the same people basically, except that GSU is looking like a stronger OCC game than anything UNI has. I think they still have as good a shot as UNI if that happens If SDSU is in second they will have beaten UNI at home this week, and have lost to SIU, and won out the rest of the conference slate. Why would UNI be a lock then and SDSU iffy? And if they lose to UNI but beat SIU then they are tied for the top of the conference, in which case I think they have a solid shot at the playoffs as well. Or, even crazier, if they lose to both SIU and UNI, but beat Minnesota? What happens there?

I'm just telling you what I think. If SDSU loses two more games, I would not feel comfortable if I were a Jacks fan. They might still make it, but I wouldn't put money on it.

So far, SDSU has only played one team that is worth a darn, and they lost to them. We'll see how good they are in the last part of this season.

[JayJ79]

So far, SDSU has only played one team that is worth a darn, and they lost to them. We'll see how good they are in the last part of this season.

In all fairness, the same can be said about UNI as well. (well, two teams worth a darn and two losses in UNI's case. though I don't hold the loss to Iowa against them, any more than I'd hold a loss to MN against the Jacks. Granted, their game against the Gophers might not be the toughest on their remaining slate)

[DJH]

I'm not comparing them to UNI. I'm just talking about their chances for the playoffs, and how good they have looked this year. They lost to the only good team they have played so far, and had to hang on at the end to beat a bad MSU team.

[rabidrabbit]

SDSU not getting into the playoffs would be a travesty.. but they still need to beat the two better teams ahead of them.. or at least split to make the bid interesting.

Jacks recognize that they need 8 D-I wins to make play-offs. If they get there, they have a good group of opponents to be a hands down selection.

The better Ga Southern does, and the better Cal Poly does, the better for the Jacks.

There were too many wins by the CAA vs FBS for the FBS winners to NOT be the best of the 7-4, all D-I teams for the Jacks, Salukis, Panthers to make the play-offs. Southland, MEAC, Patriot, GWFC, Big South, NEC have substantially weaker resumes with win outs to oust 8-3 MVFC teams.

[rabidrabbit]

Let me explain the difference, Mr. Pinnacle:

Mr. Pinnacle: "SDSU not getting into the playoffs would be a travesty."
Mr. AZGrizFan: "SELA is officially on my radar."

Neither have a quality win. See the difference?

Winning big at Georgia Southern is a semi-quality win (+ for SDSU)
Losing big at South Dakota is not good (-10 for SELA)

AZVANDALFAN and Mr. TopFlite - you may resume your discussion

SE LA can only qualify as the AQ out of the SLC. Started with two non-D-I teams, then lost two D-I games (Ole Miss, USD) and needs ALL 7 wins in the Southland to get to the MINIMUM 7 D-I wins.

SDSU needs to win vs EITHER SIU or UNI to end up with 8 D-I wins. IF Jacks win BOTH of these HOME GAMES, Jacks should be in the discussion for a seed.

[JBB]

Most likely MVFC teams are corretly:

SDSU
UNI
SIU

To not mention SDSU is short sighted. Neither of the "favorites" has a defense as good as SDSU and both play at SDSU. I expect SDSU to split those games, but it wouldn't surprise me a bit to see them win both.

Its also true that UNI is now on the outside looking in. Both SIU and SDSU are undefeated. One more loss, SDSU probably, puts them out of the running.

[AZGrizFan]

I may sound like a homer here, but no game is easy in Youngstown either. Travelling from South Dakota to Ohio could be a bitch.

SDSU [07] and NDSU [08] learned that first hand the last two years.

As bad as NDSU is this year, a win by YSU in the Fargodome won't be a gimme either.

UNI and ISU didn't seem to have a problem in the dome....

[JBB]

About all they can say is they won. Both teams were pummeled. The only team that I think actuall went out and handed it to us was SDSU.

I wasnt really that impressed with either SIU or UNI. UNI has now lost a conference game and both teams didnt show much defense last week. SDSU sits atop the MVFC in overall defense dominating the stats up and down the list. They both better be ready to win in Brookings with less than 17 pts. After seeing the SDSU defense I dont think they can. Even if its a shoot-out SDSU has the tools to stay with either of them.

[AZGrizFan]

About all they can say is they won. Both teams were pummeled. The only team that I think actuall went out and handed it to us was SDSU.

I wasnt really that impressed with either SIU or UNI. UNI has now lost a conference game and both teams didnt show much defense last week. SDSU sits atop the MVFC in overall defense dominating the stats up and down the list. They both better be ready to win in Brookings with less than 17 pts. After seeing the SDSU defense I dont think they can. Even if its a shoot-out SDSU has the tools to stay with either of them.

SDSU lost to the only top 25 team they've played so far (Cal Poly, although I did rank GSU this week). They could very easily go 0-4 in their next 4 games (UNI, SIU, YSU, Minnesota). Let's not give the NC to them just yet.

[Thumper 76]

About all they can say is they won. Both teams were pummeled. The only team that I think actuall went out and handed it to us was SDSU.

I wasnt really that impressed with either SIU or UNI. UNI has now lost a conference game and both teams didnt show much defense last week. SDSU sits atop the MVFC in overall defense dominating the stats up and down the list. They both better be ready to win in Brookings with less than 17 pts. After seeing the SDSU defense I dont think they can. Even if its a shoot-out SDSU has the tools to stay with either of them.

SDSU lost to the only top 25 team they've played so far (Cal Poly, although I did rank GSU this week). They could very easily go 0-4 in their next 4 games (UNI, SIU, YSU, Minnesota). Let's not give the NC to them just yet.

I definately wouldn't give the Jacks anything yet. They have to play a full game yet this year, and also I want to see them play well in a game against a good team and win (excluding the Bison). For some reason they have had problems with that. They most definately have to tools if they click on all cylinders to be a team that really opens peoples eyes, but they gotta play like it first.

[AZGrizFan]

SDSU lost to the only top 25 team they've played so far (Cal Poly, although I did rank GSU this week). They could very easily go 0-4 in their next 4 games (UNI, SIU, YSU, Minnesota). Let's not give the NC to them just yet.

I definately wouldn't give the Jacks anything yet. They have to play a full game yet this year, and also I want to see them play well in a game against a good team and win (excluding the Bison). For some reason they have had problems with that. They most definately have to tools if they click on all cylinders to be a team that really opens peoples eyes, but they gotta play like it first.

Don't feel bad. The Griz have YET to show up to play in the first quarter. Apparently they're on CST.

[houndawg]

Most likely MVFC teams are corretly:

SDSU
UNI
SIU

To not mention SDSU is short sighted. Neither of the "favorites" has a defense as good as SDSU and both play at SDSU. I expect SDSU to split those games, but it wouldn't surprise me a bit to see them win both.

Its also true that UNI is now on the outside looking in. Both SIU and SDSU are undefeated. One more loss, SDSU probably, puts them out of the running.

I don't see UNI losing to the Jacks.

[houndawg]

About all they can say is they won. Both teams were pummeled. The only team that I think actuall went out and handed it to us was SDSU.

I wasnt really that impressed with either SIU or UNI. UNI has now lost a conference game and both teams didnt show much defense last week. SDSU sits atop the MVFC in overall defense dominating the stats up and down the list. They both better be ready to win in Brookings with less than 17 pts. After seeing the SDSU defense I dont think they can. Even if its a shoot-out SDSU has the tools to stay with either of them.

Pummeled by a 1-6 team.

Here's a newsflash, Poindexter, UNI is pissed off about looking bad against the Dawgs and they are going to take it out on the Jacks. Last week's defense was actually quite good by both teams, what you must have have missed is that the FCS' leading rusher and No. 2 rated QB were at the game and battling for the league crown. Both defenses were going against two of the highest powered offenses in the FCS.

[putter]

I definately wouldn't give the Jacks anything yet. They have to play a full game yet this year, and also I want to see them play well in a game against a good team and win (excluding the Bison). For some reason they have had problems with that. They most definately have to tools if they click on all cylinders to be a team that really opens peoples eyes, but they gotta play like it first.

Don't feel bad. . The Griz have YET to show up to play in the first quarter Apparently they're on CST.

You got that right. I would love to see a fast start this year.

[CatMom]

They beat all the same people basically, except that GSU is looking like a stronger OCC game than anything UNI has....

Umm.....didn't UNI just miss beating Iowa?

[JBB]

Are you claiming a "moral victory" for UNI? Is a moral victory better than an actual win against a top FCS opponent?

[JBB]

About all they can say is they won. Both teams were pummeled. The only team that I think actuall went out and handed it to us was SDSU.

I wasnt really that impressed with either SIU or UNI. UNI has now lost a conference game and both teams didnt show much defense last week. SDSU sits atop the MVFC in overall defense dominating the stats up and down the list. They both better be ready to win in Brookings with less than 17 pts. After seeing the SDSU defense I dont think they can. Even if its a shoot-out SDSU has the tools to stay with either of them.

Pummeled by a 1-6 team.

Here's a newsflash, Poindexter, UNI is pissed off about looking bad against the Dawgs and they are going to take it out on the Jacks. Last week's defense was actually quite good by both teams, what you must have have missed is that the FCS' leading rusher and No. 2 rated QB were at the game and battling for the league crown. Both defenses were going against two of the highest powered offenses in the FCS.

I hate to belabor the point, but NDSU had over 500 yds on UNI and over 300 against SIU and they are, according to a lot of people, one of the worst teams in the league, yet they did as well or better than all that high powered talent.

Your guy can get as mad as he wants hope he fumes all week but if NDSU can put up 500 on UNI SDSU can too and they dont make silly mistakes.

The guy that started this thread didnt even mention SDSU. its UNI that is outside looking in. The top playoff teams from the MVFC:

SIU
SDSU

[DJH]

JBB, just stop. You are an embarassment.

[bench]

The guy that started this thread didnt even mention SDSU. its UNI that is outside looking in. The top playoff teams from the MVFC:

SIU
SDSU

Yes, he did. He also noted that SD St. has to play UNI and SIU, the two Valley opponents who have looked better thus far, and an FBS game at Minnesota. Winning one of three will get them in. Lose all three and they're out. The only remaining opponent of note for both UNI and SIU is SDSU. SIU would have to lose three of five to be sitting at home on Thanksgiving. A UNI team at 8-3 will get in, which is very likely. A South Dakota State team at 8-3 will get in. I don't think they'll get there, but I could always be wrong. Now stop being dense in the pursuit of sticking it to UNI.

[Mvemjsunpx]

Don't feel bad. . The Griz have YET to show up to play in the first quarter Apparently they're on CST.

You got that right. I would love to see a fast start this year.

They had one against NAU… and it ended up being the closest win of the year.

[dbackjon]

You got that right. I would love to see a fast start this year.

They had one against NAU… and it ended up being the closest win of the year.

True dat - NAU outplayed Montana in the second half - the first quarter lead is what gave them the victory.


And Tom - that was the only game you have been to this year...

[JayJ79]

I hate to belabor the point, but NDSU had over 500 yds on UNI and over 300 against SIU and they are, according to a lot of people, one of the worst teams in the league, yet they did as well or better than all that high powered talent.

apples and oranges.
defenses react differently in different situations.
If a teams offense is putting lots of points on the board, defenses don't have to be as stingy, and can play some "bend but don't break". Or if they have a sizable lead, they can even play a "bend and eventually break as long as it chews up clock".

So while UNI's defense giving up that many yards to NDSU isn't really a good thing, it doesn't really mean jack squat towards predicting how much success the Jackrabbits will have against them.