Pat Paschall suspended by the Valley

[native]

...or the ******* in the stands who kept throwing **** on the field.... Come on.

Man, TT, you're outa control and will be apologizing tomorrow, no doubt.

Cappy might want to rethink the Conk/Donk conspiracy thing all over again.

Thinking is not the same as spewing.

[houndawg]

Man, TT, I thought you were kind of a reasonable guy who could contain his emotions. Turns out you're kinda like some of those idiots at Bisonville. Calm the fvck down. The League looked at it very carefully and, if they thought here was a need to come down on the UNI guy, they woulda.

You and some of your Herd friends are very frustrated at your poor introduction to our lovely conference, but there is no need to be a khundt about this stuff.

here's the thing... i watched the play... i watched the whole game... i stand by what i said... the UNI players displayed a total lack of class - and all i'm asking for is even enforcement - if paschall is going to get suspended, then so should the two uni players who swung should too. my problem is with the provocation from forte... their "conclusion" that forte wasn't trying to drive him in to the wall is galling...

it just seems like a very one-sided conclusion... suspend the best player on a pretty bad NDSU team, but no punishment for the player who provoked it, or the quarterback at flipped off the ndsu fans, or the two uni players who jumped in throwing punches on the sidelines...

Jeezus, TT, they're playing ball in Hogjowl, Iowa, and you expect class? You're lucky if they don't hump your pets and crap on your lawn.

[clenz]

ah yes, extending a finger or two to gesture at people a few yards away has all sorts of injury-causing potential. Almost as much as making this gesture:

But hey, go ahead and keep up your conspiracy theories. They're quite amusing.
(personally, I'm pegging Pat Grace as the gunman on the grassy knoll in Dallas)

what "conspiracy theory"? i dont think it's malice toward NDSU... i think it's stupidity by the conference.

you suspend one guy for a retaliation, but not the instigator, i think it's bullshit

as for pat grace, i dont know if you suspend him, but starting in with the crowd is what earned LaGarrett Blount a yearlong suspension at Oregon, these are orders of magnitude different, i understand that, but the idea that nothing is said publicly about it bugs me.

Really? You sure it wasn't the fact he knocked a dude fucking out? It had nothing to do with this

[pantherrob82]

here's the thing... i watched the play... i watched the whole game... i stand by what i said... the UNI players displayed a total lack of class - and all i'm asking for is even enforcement - if paschall is going to get suspended, then so should the two uni players who swung should too. my problem is with the provocation from forte... their "conclusion" that forte wasn't trying to drive him in to the wall is galling...

it just seems like a very one-sided conclusion... suspend the best player on a pretty bad NDSU team, but no punishment for the player who provoked it, or the quarterback at flipped off the ndsu fans, or the two uni players who jumped in throwing punches on the sidelines...

Jeezus, TT, they're playing ball in Hogjowl, Iowa, and you expect class? You're lucky if they don't hump your pets and crap on your lawn.

Like Saluki fans can comment on that. One you get off the interstate outside of St. Louis to head south to Carbondale you see less houses and more trailers, and less teeth and more staring. Gimme a break. Waterloo/CF is anything but backwoods...maybe surrounded by it...but Carbondale is the poster for backwoods...(at least the northside of town up to St Louis)

[houndawg]

Jeezus, TT, they're playing ball in Hogjowl, Iowa, and you expect class? You're lucky if they don't hump your pets and crap on your lawn.

Like Saluki fans can comment on that. One you get off the interstate outside of St. Louis to head south to Carbondale you see less houses and more trailers, and less teeth and more staring. Gimme a break. Waterloo/CF is anything but backwoods...maybe surrounded by it...but Carbondale is the poster for backwoods...(at least the northside of town up to St Louis)

Wrong side, Rob. Everything is south of town in the hills. Nothing but hog farms up north.....oh.....nevermind

[JBB]

Twin Towers Bison is correct. The suspension is not even handed, the officiating was terrible and certainly not up to the level some think this league is at. The # of flags was out of hand and the the impact of those penalties were devastating for NDSU and mildly annoying for UNI.

But, in the end it is what it is. So what if UNI is classless and Grace is profane and cant control himself? So what if a UNI defender clearly tried to injure Pat Paschall by driving him 15 yds into a brick wall and then doesnt even draw a penalty for it? So what if UNI fans can say "So what we won. Stop your whinning?"

Ive seen enough of this bush league officiating to last some time. I think its an issue that has to be brought up at the league meetings. This league cant afford to continue with officials that are so clearly unqualified to call a game.

What they did was give a green light for UNI to act as they did. That assures the rest of the league they will continue to play what I consider to be less than clean football. They also have displayed a strong bias against NDSU. When you cant find the penalties on the film you have a problem.

[houndawg]

Twin Towers Bison is correct. The suspension is not even handed, the officiating was terrible and certainly not up to the level some think this league is at. The # of flags was out of hand and the the impact of those penalties were devastating for NDSU and mildly annoying for UNI.

But, in the end it is what it is. So what if UNI is classless and Grace is profane and cant control himself? So what if a UNI defender clearly tried to injure Pat Paschall by driving him 15 yds into a brick wall and then doesnt even draw a penalty for it? So what if UNI fans can say "So what we won. Stop your whinning?"

Ive seen enough of this bush league officiating to last some time. I think its an issue that has to be brought up at the league meetings. This league cant afford to continue with officials that are so clearly unqualified to call a game.

What they did was give a green light for UNI to act as they did. That assures the rest of the league they will continue to play what I consider to be less than clean football. They also have displayed a strong bias against NDSU. When you cant find the penalties on the film you have a problem.

It's not just the Bison, so don't feel special. Whenever you go to the Dome you have to beat the Zebras too. They're the worst beside MEAC and homers for evertbody but SIU.

[clenz]

Twin Towers Bison is correct. The suspension is not even handed, the officiating was terrible and certainly not up to the level some think this league is at. The # of flags was out of hand and the the impact of those penalties were devastating for NDSU and mildly annoying for UNI.

But, in the end it is what it is. So what if UNI is classless and Grace is profane and cant control himself? So what if a UNI defender clearly tried to injure Pat Paschall by driving him 15 yds into a brick wall and then doesnt even draw a penalty for it? So what if UNI fans can say "So what we won. Stop your whinning?"

Ive seen enough of this bush league officiating to last some time. I think its an issue that has to be brought up at the league meetings. This league cant afford to continue with officials that are so clearly unqualified to call a game.

What they did was give a green light for UNI to act as they did. That assures the rest of the league they will continue to play what I consider to be less than clean football. They also have displayed a strong bias against NDSU. When you cant find the penalties on the film you have a problem.

That game was AT NDSU...the Dome Crowd Advantage had nothing to do with it.


Bison fans, do you really have 15 yards between the sideline and bleachers? Sure as hell didn't look like it
It's not just the Bison, so don't feel special. Whenever you go to the Dome you have to beat the Zebras too. They're the worst beside MEAC and homers for evertbody but SIU.

[DJH]

Twin Towers Bison is correct. The suspension is not even handed, the officiating was terrible and certainly not up to the level some think this league is at. The # of flags was out of hand and the the impact of those penalties were devastating for NDSU and mildly annoying for UNI.

But, in the end it is what it is. So what if UNI is classless and Grace is profane and cant control himself? So what if a UNI defender clearly tried to injure Pat Paschall by driving him 15 yds into a brick wall and then doesnt even draw a penalty for it? So what if UNI fans can say "So what we won. Stop your whinning?"

Ive seen enough of this bush league officiating to last some time. I think its an issue that has to be brought up at the league meetings. This league cant afford to continue with officials that are so clearly unqualified to call a game.

What they did was give a green light for UNI to act as they did. That assures the rest of the league they will continue to play what I consider to be less than clean football. They also have displayed a strong bias against NDSU. When you cant find the penalties on the film you have a problem.

[JayJ79]

When you cant find the penalties on the film you have a problem.

I dunno, with some of the camerawork for that game, I had enough trouble trying to find the PLAY on the film, much less a penalty.

[NDSUFREAK]

what "conspiracy theory"? i dont think it's malice toward NDSU... i think it's stupidity by the conference.

you suspend one guy for a retaliation, but not the instigator, i think it's bullshit

as for pat grace, i dont know if you suspend him, but starting in with the crowd is what earned LaGarrett Blount a yearlong suspension at Oregon, these are orders of magnitude different, i understand that, but the idea that nothing is said publicly about it bugs me.

Really? You sure it wasn't the fact he knocked a dude **** out? It had nothing to do with this

ok yea thats funny ill give you that.

the crowd involvement was just topping on the cake

[TwinTownBisonFan]

When you cant find the penalties on the film you have a problem.

I dunno, with some of the camerawork for that game, I had enough trouble trying to find the PLAY on the film, much less a penalty.

[D1B]

None of you girls played the game, so you don't what your talkin bout. Trust me.

[Gil Dobie]

None of you girls played the game, so you don't what your talkin bout. Trust me.

Games changed since you played, they now were helmets and shoulder pads.

[JBB]

Twin Towers Bison is correct. The suspension is not even handed, the officiating was terrible and certainly not up to the level some think this league is at. The # of flags was out of hand and the the impact of those penalties were devastating for NDSU and mildly annoying for UNI.

But, in the end it is what it is. So what if UNI is classless and Grace is profane and cant control himself? So what if a UNI defender clearly tried to injure Pat Paschall by driving him 15 yds into a brick wall and then doesnt even draw a penalty for it? So what if UNI fans can say "So what we won. Stop your whinning?"

Ive seen enough of this bush league officiating to last some time. I think its an issue that has to be brought up at the league meetings. This league cant afford to continue with officials that are so clearly unqualified to call a game.

What they did was give a green light for UNI to act as they did. That assures the rest of the league they will continue to play what I consider to be less than clean football. They also have displayed a strong bias against NDSU. When you cant find the penalties on the film you have a problem.

It's not just the Bison, so don't feel special. Whenever you go to the Dome you have to beat the Zebras too. They're the worst beside MEAC and homers for evertbody but SIU.

Thats just it. There is no way a league should allow that kind of officiating. Its a serious issue. NDSU has no resentment for the league, but the fact that we are in the league will hopefully lead to changes for the better. This is an issue the league has to deal with. We cant take pride, or resign ourselves to terrible officiating that is not even handed.

[houndawg]

It's not just the Bison, so don't feel special. Whenever you go to the Dome you have to beat the Zebras too. They're the worst beside MEAC and homers for evertbody but SIU.

Thats just it. There is no way a league should allow that kind of officiating. Its a serious issue. NDSU has no resentment for the league, but the fact that we are in the league will hopefully lead to changes for the better. This is an issue the league has to deal with. We cant take pride, or resign ourselves to terrible officiating that is not even handed.

On the replay I saw a penalty flag, that should have been the end of it for a smart player, an extra 15 and 1st down. Ya gotta keep your cool and not be your own worst enemy out there.

[JBB]

The penalty was not called on the UNI thug.

But, it doesnt stop there:

Now, in harmony with our President winning the Nobel Peace Prize, Montana's Chase Reynolds is averaging 80.0 yards/game and is 44th in the country and is on the Payton watch list! So are other undeserving backs, but the best in that nation, Pat Paschall, is not. He is the only back to face the top teams in the country, is at the statistical top and has been snubbed.

[JayJ79]

The penalty was not called on the UNI thug.

Really? Then who was that first personal foul called on?

The way I saw it was:
1) flag thrown on the NDSU quarterback for illegal forward pass
2) flag thrown on the UNI defender for continuing contact out-of-bounds
3) personal foul called on the NDSU runningback for taking a swing at the UNI player

[houndawg]

The penalty was not called on the UNI thug.

But, it doesnt stop there:

Now, in harmony with our President winning the Nobel Peace Prize, Montana's Chase Reynolds is averaging 80.0 yards/game and is 44th in the country and is on the Payton watch list! So are other undeserving backs, but the best in that nation, Pat Paschall, is not. He is the only back to face the top teams in the country, is at the statistical top and has been snubbed.

Karim is at the statistical top.

Paschall is good and might be on the list if he scored once in a while, but he has pretty much run where the blocking has taken him, Karim has another gear and can break one on any play.

[JBB]

The UNI player was never penalized. There were two unsportsmanlike penalties for the altercation that happened on the Bison sideline. The officials never penalized the player for the late hit out of bounds.

Who said Karim doesnt belong on the list? Im saying Paschall deserves to be on the list. Trying to make an argument that he doesnt simply exposes the list for what it is.

[houndawg]

The UNI player was never penalized. There were two unsportsmanlike penalties for the altercation that happened on the Bison sideline. The officials never penalized the player for the late hit out of bounds.

Who said Karim doesnt belong on the list? Im saying Paschall deserves to be on the list. Trying to make an argument that he doesnt simply exposes the list for what it is.

There is clearly a flag being thrown as the two players go out of bounds together.

If Paschall is Payton Award material why are the Bison 1-5? I'm not saying he isn't good enough, just saying there are lots of good running backs out there who aren't on the list. Saying he is the best RB in the nation is just hype.

[Gil Dobie]

If Paschall is Payton Award material why are the Bison 1-5? I'm not saying he isn't good enough, just saying there are lots of good running backs out there who aren't on the list. Saying

Same reason Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl, it's a team game.

[houndawg]

If Paschall is Payton Award material why are the Bison 1-5? I'm not saying he isn't good enough, just saying there are lots of good running backs out there who aren't on the list. Saying

Same reason Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl, it's a team game.

True dat.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

The penalty was not called on the UNI thug.

Really? Then who was that first personal foul called on?

The way I saw it was:
1) flag thrown on the NDSU quarterback for illegal forward pass
2) flag thrown on the UNI defender for continuing contact out-of-bounds
3) personal foul called on the NDSU runningback for taking a swing at the UNI player

that is exactly what happened...

i think technically, the refs may have even just said "fuck it, just penalize the initial thing, and ignore the pf's because they offset anyway"

[Cap'n Cat]

Really? Then who was that first personal foul called on?

The way I saw it was:
1) flag thrown on the NDSU quarterback for illegal forward pass
2) flag thrown on the UNI defender for continuing contact out-of-bounds
3) personal foul called on the NDSU runningback for taking a swing at the UNI player

that is exactly what happened...

i think technically, the refs may have even just said "fuck it, just penalize the initial thing, and ignore the pf's because they offset anyway"

Rationalizing like a Conk motherfvcker.