Weber State @ EWU Game Thread.

[native]

Eagle is right about the payday figures for the FBS OOC games. They made a lot more money that another 1,000 season tickets would have made.

I kind of agree that two FBS teams on the schedule is a risk, but Wyoming was winnable and Colorado State was sooooo winnable! The memory of those games will serve us well should we be fortunate enough to make it to the playoffs. We did not schedule any non-DI games this year.

Winnable or not, FCS teams still rarely DO win. And when you schedule two almost guaranteed losses (and a non-counter) every year, i ask this question: WHAT IS THERE FOR THE FANBASE TO BE EXCITED ABOUT OR LOOK FORWARD TO? It may be 1000 extra fans per game THIS season, go 8-3 or 9-2 and it's ANOTHER 1500 per game net year, then 2500+ the year after....this reminds me of the old saying "Rome wasn't built in a day". The Griz used to only draw 12-14K....there was no second deck, no end zone seats....but the tradition was BUILT with winning seasons (not the occasional winning season sprinkled in amongst 4 or 5 .500 seasons or worse).

Weber did not schedule a non-counter this year. 11 DI games.

[AZGrizFan]

Weber did not schedule a n on-counter this year. 11 DI games.

I realize that, but with two (almost) guaranteed losses, they must go 7-2 (and more likely 8-1) to get a playoff berth....which means they now can NOT lose again. Margin for error is significantly reduced.

[ajwildcat]

Eagle is right about the payday figures for the FBS OOC games. They made a lot more money that another 1,000 season tickets would have made.

I kind of agree that two FBS teams on the schedule is a risk, but Wyoming was winnable and Colorado State was sooooo winnable! The memory of those games will serve us well should we be fortunate enough to make it to the playoffs. We did not schedule any non-DI games this year.

Winnable or not, FCS teams still rarely DO win. And when you schedule two almost guaranteed losses (and a non-counter) every year, i ask this question: WHAT IS THERE FOR THE FANBASE TO BE EXCITED ABOUT OR LOOK FORWARD TO? It may be 1000 extra fans per game THIS season, go 8-3 or 9-2 and it's ANOTHER 1500 per game net year, then 2500+ the year after....this reminds me of the old saying "Rome wasn't built in a day". The Griz used to only draw 12-14K....there was no second deck, no end zone seats....but the tradition was BUILT with winning seasons (not the occasional winning season sprinkled in amongst 4 or 5 .500 seasons or worse).

AZGRIZFAN, why in the HELL do you care who Weber schedules. Shut your damn mouth and go beat up on some more D2's. Since your Grizz aren't man enough to play anyone anywhere anytime.

[native]

Weber did not schedule a n on-counter this year. 11 DI games.

I realize that, but with two (almost) guaranteed losses, they must go 7-2 (and more likely 8-1) to get a playoff berth....which means they now can NOT lose again. Margin for error is significantly reduced.

I know, but if we lose two more, we pronbably do not deserve to go to the playoffs.

All hail to the UM program, but Mac cannot get it done that way in such a short time given the tools at his disposal. He has to take the money games, which do have the additional benefits already discussed.

[AZGrizFan]

AZGRIZFAN, why in the HELL do you care who Weber schedules. Shut your damn mouth and go beat up on some more D2's. Since your Grizz aren't man enough to play anyone anywhere anytime.

Well, the REASON I care who Weber schedules (if you'd actually READ something here instead of coming in and shooting off your cockholster) is because when Weber shoots itself in the foot with two guaranteed losses, then shits the bed against a conference foe, the odds of them making the playoffs have just gone WAAAAAAAY down, thus weakening the Big Sky Conference's performance in the playoffs as a whole (even when Weber might actually be the second best team in the conference), and thus providing more fodder for those with ECB (that's East Coast Bias, newbie) to hack on the Big Sky because of other teams' (outside of My Griz(z)(sic)) failure to perform in the playoffs. I'd love nothing more than to see 2 OTHER teams make deep runs in the playoffs to get those EC motherfuckers to shut their yappers, but when you continually fuck yourself over in the regular season the odds of that happening are slim-to-none, and THAT impacts the world's impression of the Griz.

And that, my friend, is as much of an explanation as you're going to get. Despite what you Mormon mind-controlling motherfuckers would like to think, I AM entitled to an independent opinion, and I AM entitled to post that opinion. Now, go back to fucking your brother.

[cats2506]

Winnable or not, FCS teams still rarely DO win. And when you schedule two almost guaranteed losses (and a non-counter) every year, i ask this question: WHAT IS THERE FOR THE FANBASE TO BE EXCITED ABOUT OR LOOK FORWARD TO? It may be 1000 extra fans per game THIS season, go 8-3 or 9-2 and it's ANOTHER 1500 per game net year, then 2500+ the year after....this reminds me of the old saying "Rome wasn't built in a day". The Griz used to only draw 12-14K....there was no second deck, no end zone seats....but the tradition was BUILT with winning seasons (not the occasional winning season sprinkled in amongst 4 or 5 .500 seasons or worse).

AZGRIZFAN, why in the HELL do you care who Weber schedules. Shut your damn mouth and go beat up on some more D2's. Since your Grizz aren't man enough to play anyone anywhere anytime.

[AZGrizFan]

AZGRIZFAN, why in the HELL do you care who Weber schedules. Shut your damn mouth and go beat up on some more D2's. Since your Grizz aren't man enough to play anyone anywhere anytime.

You guys keep thinkin' you're winnin' the dick-measuring contest by getting guaranteed losses every year and playing the rest of your games in half-full stadiums, we'll keep selling out our stadium, winning the BSC, going to the playoffs and making runs at national titles.

To each his own, I guess.

[weberwildcat]

This game is the first real test to find out about EWU. We know more about WSU than EWU so far.

Regarding WSU scheduling 2 FBS', its the AD not our coach scheduling so many of these (4 in 2 yrs). Also, you really don't understand how poor WSU is and the "shoe-string" budget we run on. We need the money but at the same time we might as well be playing Okla & Arizona State to make it worthwhile.

Our coach has been begging for recruiting funds since the day he got hired. You can't compete with the Montanas with 1 hand tied behind your back. Our recruiting budget is $30k compared to the Montanas which is 100-200k. We have one of the lowest athletic budgets in the Big Sky.

[weberwildcat]

EWU thus far kinda reminds me of NAU last year when they started out 4-0. We weren't sure how good they were since they played the top 4 teams besides themself after they'd played the bottom 4 and went 4-0. NAU went 0-4 to end the season. I'm not saying EWU will do that but I'm just saying they've played UNC, Sac & ISU so far.

9/05 Western Oregon 1-0 (0-0) W 35-14
9/12 @ No. 10 California 1-1 (0-0) L 59-7
9/19 Northern Colorado 2-1 (1-0) W 16-0
9/26 @ Sacramento State 3-1 (2-0) W 56-30
10/03 @ Idaho State 4-1 (3-0) W 38-3

Remaining games:

10/10 #21 Weber State 3:35 PM
10/17 @ #4 Montana 3:05 PM
10/24 #22 Montana State 4:05 PM
10/31 Portland State 4:05 PM
11/14 @ Southern Utah 3:00 PM (almost ranked)
11/21 @ Northern Arizona 5:05 PM (almost ranked)

[native]

EWU thus far kinda reminds me of NAU last year when they started out 4-0. We weren't sure how good they were since they played the top 4 teams besides themself after they'd played the bottom 4 and went 4-0. NAU went 0-4 to end the season. I'm not saying EWU will do that but I'm just saying they've played UNC, Sac & ISU so far.

9/05 Western Oregon 1-0 (0-0) W 35-14
9/12 @ No. 10 California 1-1 (0-0) L 59-7
9/19 Northern Colorado 2-1 (1-0) W 16-0
9/26 @ Sacramento State 3-1 (2-0) W 56-30
10/03 @ Idaho State 4-1 (3-0) W 38-3

Remaining games:

10/10 #21 Weber State 3:35 PM
10/17 @ #4 Montana 3:05 PM
10/24 #22 Montana State 4:05 PM
10/31 Portland State 4:05 PM
11/14 @ Southern Utah 3:00 PM (almost ranked)
11/21 @ Northern Arizona 5:05 PM (almost ranked)

Here is the part of EWU that is real: Taiwan Jones and the Eagles' running game.

[BlackFalkin]

EWU is nothing like NAU! (no disrespect) EWU would have beat ISU, SAC, & UNC anyway, its actually a good sign that EWU beat all three bc I dont think they did last year. (someone correct me if im wrong) Taiwan Jones is putting up great numbers, Matt Nichols and crew are as good as advertised.... NAU?

Eastern is coming off 3 wins in a row, while Weber is coming off a DEMORALIZING loss to MSU. So Weber is ALREADY worse than last year, and Eastern plays Weber in Cheney.

[BlackFalkin]

You guys keep thinkin' you're winnin' the dick-measuring contest by getting guaranteed losses every year and playing the rest of your games in half-full stadiums, we'll keep selling out our stadium, winning the BSC, going to the playoffs and making runs at national titles.
To each his own, I guess.

AZ, you are exactly right, Its better to take one big payday game, than to play 2, back to back payday games, and lose both. Morale is gonna be low, you lose games because of it. Weber lost to MSU, NOW they look weak & have 3 losses. Its gonna be 4 losses for Weber come Saturday

Big mistake Weber!

[AZGrizFan]

This game is the first real test to find out about EWU. We know more about WSU than EWU so far.

Regarding WSU scheduling 2 FBS', its the AD not our coach scheduling so many of these (4 in 2 yrs). Also, you really don't understand how poor WSU is and the "shoe-string" budget we run on. We need the money but at the same time we might as well be playing Okla & Arizona State to make it worthwhile.

Our coach has been begging for recruiting funds since the day he got hired. You can't compete with the Montanas with 1 hand tied behind your back. Our recruiting budget is $30k compared to the Montanas which is 100-200k. We have one of the lowest athletic budgets in the Big Sky.

Well, McBride must be a hell of a recruiter, to get kids to come to Weber when the stadium never has more than 6 or 7K in it on visitation day.

[native]

This game is the first real test to find out about EWU. We know more about WSU than EWU so far.

Regarding WSU scheduling 2 FBS', its the AD not our coach scheduling so many of these (4 in 2 yrs). Also, you really don't understand how poor WSU is and the "shoe-string" budget we run on. We need the money but at the same time we might as well be playing Okla & Arizona State to make it worthwhile.

Our coach has been begging for recruiting funds since the day he got hired. You can't compete with the Montanas with 1 hand tied behind your back. Our recruiting budget is $30k compared to the Montanas which is 100-200k. We have one of the lowest athletic budgets in the Big Sky.

Well, McBride must be a hell of a recruiter, to get kids to come to Weber when the stadium never has more than 6 or 7K in it on visitation day.

He is indeed.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

I've also heard though seen nothing official that we are playing Washington State University in 2010. This makes sense since the $ stay within the state. Why pay out of state PSU $300,000k when you can play EWU? Isn't that mandatory in Arizona with one of the two FCS's having to play NAU? Sure makes sense.

Just to clarify, the news today says EWU will play UW next year, not Wazzu. The Bobcats are at Wazzu next year on Sept. 11.

EWU will play UW in 2011, and Oregon State next year. It's official:
http://www.goeags.com/sports/m-footbl/2 ... Oct6UWGame
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/h ... ly_an.html

[SUUTbird]

EWU is nothing like NAU! (no disrespect) EWU would have beat ISU, SAC, & UNC anyway, its actually a good sign that EWU beat all three bc I dont think they did last year. (someone correct me if im wrong) Taiwan Jones is putting up great numbers, Matt Nichols and crew are as good as advertised.... NAU?

Eastern is coming off 3 wins in a row, while Weber is coming off a DEMORALIZING loss to MSU. So Weber is ALREADY worse than last year, and Eastern plays Weber in Cheney.

This could be bad thing that Weber lost because now a sense of urgency has come over the program that they cannot lose another game. This loss may actually help Weber in the long run but i still think this will be a great game

[EWURanger]

EWU is nothing like NAU! (no disrespect) EWU would have beat ISU, SAC, & UNC anyway, its actually a good sign that EWU beat all three bc I dont think they did last year. (someone correct me if im wrong)

If I remember correctly, we lost to Sac last year......

[BlackFalkin]

Good point, however, theres also momentum tbird, EWU is on fire right now, while Weber must realize they are over rated... meanwhile Eastern is paying a home game & is fully loaded with experienced players and undefeated in the Sky.

[EWURanger]

You guys keep thinkin' you're winnin' the dick-measuring contest by getting guaranteed losses every year and playing the rest of your games in half-full stadiums, we'll keep selling out our stadium, winning the BSC, going to the playoffs and making runs at national titles.

To each his own, I guess.

Agreed, playing 2 x FBS opponents is not a good strategy for a program that has any aspirations to make the play-offs. EWU played Colorado (almost beat 'em) and Texas Tech last year, and ended up going 6-5. Don't get me wrong, we didn't take care of business against the teams we should have, but scheduling 2 almost guaranteed losses didn't help out too much in terms of the w/l ratio. Did provide some good pay-days, though.

That said, I am not a huge fan of scheduling a bunch of D-II teams to pad the schedule, either. No offense to Montana fans, and I understand the monetary factors involved, but I don't think it would hurt Montana to play up once in a while )not including Idaho). With all the great teams the Griz have had in the past, hasn't anyone ever wondered how they would fare against a Colorado State, etc......

For the majority of Big Sky and FCS schools out there, I think scheduling 1 x FBS school with some home and homes with quality FCS opponents is the way to go.

[BlackFalkin]

You guys keep thinkin' you're winnin' the dick-measuring contest by getting guaranteed losses every year and playing the rest of your games in half-full stadiums, we'll keep selling out our stadium, winning the BSC, going to the playoffs and making runs at national titles.

To each his own, I guess.

Agreed, playing 2 x FBS opponents is not a good strategy for a program that has any aspirations to make the play-offs. EWU played Colorado (almost beat 'em) and Texas Tech last year, and ended up going 6-5. Don't get me wrong, we didn't take care of business against the teams we should have, but scheduling 2 almost guaranteed losses didn't help out too much in terms of the w/l ratio. Did provide some good pay-days, though.

That said, I am not a huge fan of scheduling a bunch of D-II teams to pad the schedule, either. No offense to Montana fans, and I understand the monetary factors involved, but I don't think it would hurt Montana to play up once in a while )not including Idaho). With all the great teams the Griz have had in the past, hasn't anyone ever wondered how they would fare against a Colorado State, etc......

For the majority of Big Sky and FCS schools out there, I think scheduling 1 x FBS school with some home and homes with quality FCS opponents is the way to go.

good point...

my question is, why wont the griz bring in a lower CAA team in and kill em ?

[AZGrizFan]

We won't play up (or bring in a lower level CAA team) for the same reason you all play up.


MONEY.

It really ain't all that complicated, fellas.

[JMU DJ]

I get that. Seriously, I do. But to schedule TWO body bag games and risk NOT making the playoffs seems absolutely ludicrous to me. Seems like a short-term answer to a long-term problem.

Are we talkin' about Weber or NAU here? You Big Sky dudes are confusing me with your ambiguity today.

[SUUTbird]

Its just the same old argument again on how Montana schedules D2 with eveyone calling them pussies and the Montana fans defending their actions saying they get money...it will never end

[AZGrizFan]

I get that. Seriously, I do. But to schedule TWO body bag games and risk NOT making the playoffs seems absolutely ludicrous to me. Seems like a short-term answer to a long-term problem.

Are we talkin' about Weber or NAU here? You Big Sky dudes are confusing me with your ambiguity today.

Yes.

[AZGrizFan]

Its just the same old argument again on how Montana schedules D2 with eveyone calling them pussies and the Montana fans defending their actions saying they get money...it will never end

You're right, it will never end, but I'm attempting to change the argument to one about playoff consideration. Apparently Weber, EWU, NAU and sCat fans don't want to hear it.