China speaks and Obama capitulates.....The decision came after China stepped up a campaign urging nations to shun the Tibetan spiritual leader.
It means Mr Obama will become the first president not to welcome the Nobel peace prize winner to the White House since the Dalai Lama began visiting Washington in 1991. The Buddhist monk arrived in Washington on Monday for a week of meetings with Congressional leaders, celebrity supporters and interest groups, but the president will not see him until after he has made his first visit to China next month.
Samdhong Rinpoche, the Tibetan prime minister-in-exile, has accused the United States and other Western nations of "appeasement" toward China as its economic weight grows.
"Today, economic interests are much greater than other interests," he said.
Mr Obama's decision dismayed human rights and Tibetan support groups, who said he had made an unnecessary concession to the Chinese, who regard the Dalai Lama as a "splittist", despite his calls for autonomy rather than independence for Tibet. The Chinese invaded in 1950, forcing the young leader to flee.
Sophie Richardson, Asia advocate for Human Rights Watch, said: "Presidents always meets the Dalai Lama and what happens? Absolutely nothing.
Obama Sunbs Dalai Lama 'to keep China happy'
Obama Sunbs Dalai Lama 'to keep China happy'
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Re: Obama Sunbs Dalai Lama 'to keep China happy'
Blame it on Bush......
Wait a minute, he met with the Dalai Lama...
Wait a minute, he met with the Dalai Lama...
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Cappy may be onto something here....

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Beat me to it, Colonel!Col Hogan wrote:Blame it on Bush......
Wait a minute, he met with the Dalai Lama...
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The Chinese will reciprocate this act of goodwill by discontinuing their efforts to replace the US Dollar as the world's primary reserve currency. Well, maybe not.
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Obama is toast in 2012.

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Re: Obama Sunbs Dalai Lama 'to keep China happy'
AZGrizFan wrote:Obama is toast in 2012.![]()
This, coming from a guy who said "McDickhead could not have picked a better VP candidate than Sarah Palin!"
The gift that keeps on giving.....
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D1B wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:Obama is toast in 2012.![]()
This, coming from a guy who said "McDickhead could not have picked a better VP candidate than Sarah Palin!"![]()
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The gift that keeps on giving.....
That all might be true about AZ not having a clue about McSame...
but Obama is not exactly making me feel good these days... actually kind of embarrassing
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Re: Obama Sunbs Dalai Lama 'to keep China happy'
Lose/Lose situation for Obama.
He either meets the Dalai Lama... right before a very important trip to China in November... or he snubs him...
He probably made the right decision... because, we don't really gain much by having the President meet with the Dalai Lama... but, there's A LOT to be gained from his trip to China.
He either meets the Dalai Lama... right before a very important trip to China in November... or he snubs him...
He probably made the right decision... because, we don't really gain much by having the President meet with the Dalai Lama... but, there's A LOT to be gained from his trip to China.
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Re: Obama Sunbs Dalai Lama 'to keep China happy'
Really? Name one thing, from trade policy to currency support to human rights, that Prince Barry the Softouch can expect to bring home from China.Skjellyfetti wrote:Lose/Lose situation for Obama.
He either meets the Dalai Lama... right before a very important trip to China in November... or he snubs him...
He probably made the right decision... because, we don't really gain much by having the President meet with the Dalai Lama... but, there's A LOT to be gained from his trip to China.
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D knows I never said it. He's even admitted it. But he never let facts get in the way of a good discussion...that's why he's such a good donk.Cleets Part 2 wrote:D1B wrote:
This, coming from a guy who said "McDickhead could not have picked a better VP candidate than Sarah Palin!"![]()
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The gift that keeps on giving.....
That all might be true about AZ not having a clue about McSame...
but Obama is not exactly making me feel good these days... actually kind of embarrassing
in fact as embarrassing as Bush (but in a different way) but equally disturbing and sad
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Sanctions on Iran.Ivytalk wrote: Really? Name one thing, from trade policy to currency support to human rights, that Prince Barry the Softouch can expect to bring home from China.
Russia recently reversed its position of opposition to sanctions on Iran. That makes 4 out of the 5 countries in the UN with veto power in support of sanctions against Iran. If we could convince China to make a similar reversal it would be HUGE.
I'm not saying it will happen or that I expect it to happen... and I know that's what your question asked... But, I think this is the reasoning behind the "snub." Obama will meet with the Dalai Lama down the road, I'm sure.
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You sure?Skjellyfetti wrote:Sanctions on Iran.Ivytalk wrote: Really? Name one thing, from trade policy to currency support to human rights, that Prince Barry the Softouch can expect to bring home from China.
Russia recently reversed its position of opposition to sanctions on Iran. That makes 4 out of the 5 countries in the UN with veto power in support of sanctions against Iran. If we could convince China to make a similar reversal it would be HUGE.
I'm not saying it will happen or that I expect it to happen... and I know that's what your question asked... But, I think this is the reasoning behind the "snub." Obama will meet with the Dalai Lama down the road, I'm sure.
So we trade our morals for a political position. Beautiful.
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I'm not saying I like it... but, if we can make ground with China on Iran and avert Israel sparking a war in the next few months... I think it would be worth some "snub" that doesn't really mean anything.AZGrizFan wrote: So we trade our morals for a political position. Beautiful.![]()
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Yeah, doesn't mean anything....I guess you can say that when your party doesn't run on a moral values platform, right? I mean, the Dali Lama represents an entire religion...I can see why that would be less important than sucking up to the country that basically owns us.Skjellyfetti wrote:I'm not saying I like it... but, if we can make ground with China on Iran and avert Israel sparking a war in the next few months... I think it would be worth some "snub" that doesn't really mean anything.AZGrizFan wrote: So we trade our morals for a political position. Beautiful.![]()
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Re: Obama Sunbs Dalai Lama 'to keep China happy'
Though I support the Dalai Lama and think that Obama should have made some sort of symbolic gesture towards him to balance out the snub, I'm taking the Mulligan and partially agreeing - in theory - with skelly on this one.AZGrizFan wrote:Yeah, doesn't mean anything....I guess you can say that when your party doesn't run on a moral values platform, right? I mean, the Dali Lama represents an entire religion...I can see why that would be less important than sucking up to the country that basically owns us.Skjellyfetti wrote:
I'm not saying I like it... but, if we can make ground with China on Iran and avert Israel sparking a war in the next few months... I think it would be worth some "snub" that doesn't really mean anything.![]()
Getting China to clamp down on Iran in the long term might be worth a short term snub.
However, based on Obama's buffoonery so far, I doubt that Barry and his team have a clue what China might or might not do, or even less be able to influence the Chinese, other than to encourage the PRC to take advantage of his inexperience and naivete.
Re: Obama Sunbs Dalai Lama 'to keep China happy'
Bad move. Obama pats himself on the back for establishing diplomacy with Iran (after chastising Bush for snubbing them) and then pulls this shit. Is the Dalai Lama part of Obama's axis of evil? Completely unacceptable.
My opinion of Obama is plummeting of late. Sure, he inherited an economic shit sandwich from Bush, but I had counted on him getting the little things like this right while he slowly whittled away at fixing Bush's complete worldwide mess. He's failing so far.
If the Republicans can get a decent candidate in place by 2012, I'll be very receptive.
My opinion of Obama is plummeting of late. Sure, he inherited an economic shit sandwich from Bush, but I had counted on him getting the little things like this right while he slowly whittled away at fixing Bush's complete worldwide mess. He's failing so far.
If the Republicans can get a decent candidate in place by 2012, I'll be very receptive.
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Boy, if that ain't the $64,000 question.93henfan wrote:Bad move. Obama pats himself on the back for establishing diplomacy with Iran (after chastising Bush for snubbing them) and then pulls this shit. Is the Dalai Lama part of Obama's axis of evil? Completely unacceptable.![]()
My opinion of Obama is plummeting of late. Sure, he inherited an economic shit sandwich from Bush, but I had counted on him getting the little things like this right while he slowly whittled away at fixing Bush's complete worldwide mess. He's failing so far.
If the Republicans can get a decent candidate in place by 2012, I'll be very receptive.
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so anyone wanna start introducing me to third party candidates for 2012?
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Re: Obama Sunbs Dalai Lama 'to keep China happy'
Christ, they're like rats off a sinkin' ship:
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Re: Obama Sunbs Dalai Lama 'to keep China happy'
The republicans are so divided right now. I think Obama gets reelected in 2012, no matter what.AZGrizFan wrote:Boy, if that ain't the $64,000 question.93henfan wrote:Bad move. Obama pats himself on the back for establishing diplomacy with Iran (after chastising Bush for snubbing them) and then pulls this shit. Is the Dalai Lama part of Obama's axis of evil? Completely unacceptable.![]()
My opinion of Obama is plummeting of late. Sure, he inherited an economic shit sandwich from Bush, but I had counted on him getting the little things like this right while he slowly whittled away at fixing Bush's complete worldwide mess. He's failing so far.
If the Republicans can get a decent candidate in place by 2012, I'll be very receptive.![]()
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Re: Obama Sunbs Dalai Lama 'to keep China happy'
BlueHen86 wrote:The republicans are so divided right now. I think Obama gets reelected in 2012, no matter what.AZGrizFan wrote:
Boy, if that ain't the $64,000 question.![]()
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That, and Obama, overall, is doing a great job.
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