Thank Right-Wing Nuts...

[AZGrizFan]

Well, I would hardly compare credit-union-land with "corporate America". Unless I missed the part where I got a private jet, 7 figure salaries and 8 figure bonuses....

BFD. How many of them get to shop at the PX?

yeah. That's SUCH an AWESOME benefit.

The only PX (or "Exchange" in Chair Force terminology) in Phoenix is almost 40 miles away at Luke AFB. The gas I would use going there and back offsets any possible savings I might realize by shopping there.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

z... your tellers aren't looking to move up in your company... it's in a long line of mcjob's that people take to get by...

one of the "problems" with my generation - we watched what happened to our parents - my mom gave 30 years to a Fortune 500 here in MN and they kicked her to the curb when she got too old (it's an age discrimination suit looking for a place) - so the way I've always seen it - why the fvck should I ever consider being loyal to an company... they are soulless and don't give a shit about their employees... why would I ever give a shit about them... they are place to get a check - nothing more. if that's "too cynical" that's tough shit... corporate america is reaping what it's been sewing for going on 20 years now... they want a loyalty they will never show...

it's the other side of the coin that has treated (especially hourly) employees like disposable commodities... they, in turn are treating those jobs as disposable commodities... turnabout is fair play... no?

are there worthless lumps in every generation - you bet... are the they frequently the ones who barely graduated high school and now need a decent paying job to support their families... yep... if you think this started in the last 20 years... you're kidding yourself.

[AZGrizFan]

z... your tellers aren't looking to move up in your company... it's in a long line of mcjob's that people take to get by...

one of the "problems" with my generation - we watched what happened to our parents - my mom gave 30 years to a Fortune 500 here in MN and they kicked her to the curb when she got too old (it's an age discrimination suit looking for a place) - so the way I've always seen it - why the fvck should I ever consider being loyal to an company... they are soulless and don't give a shit about their employees... why would I ever give a shit about them... they are place to get a check - nothing more. if that's "too cynical" that's tough shit... corporate america is reaping what it's been sewing for going on 20 years now... they want a loyalty they will never show...

it's the other side of the coin that has treated (especially hourly) employees like disposable commodities... they, in turn are treating those jobs as disposable commodities... turnabout is fair play... no?

are there worthless lumps in every generation - you bet... are the they frequently the ones who barely graduated high school and now need a decent paying job to support their families... yep... if you think this started in the last 20 years... you're kidding yourself.

I'm not looking for you to MARRY the company. Just have a work ethic. EARN your pay. Is that too much to ask? Seriously....you'd think we were splitting the fucking atom here.

[Appaholic]

I am not happy with the Republicans either, and your criticisms of the last administration ring true, but we Conservatives are not all the same and you jump to a series of unjustifiable conclusions.

The assumption that all conservatives are the same and the association of everything "Republican" with "capitalism and free enterprise," and everything Democratic with socialism, belies a breathtaking ignorance and shallowness.

This is fun! See how easy broad generalizations can be....

[TwinTownBisonFan]

z... your tellers aren't looking to move up in your company... it's in a long line of mcjob's that people take to get by...

one of the "problems" with my generation - we watched what happened to our parents - my mom gave 30 years to a Fortune 500 here in MN and they kicked her to the curb when she got too old (it's an age discrimination suit looking for a place) - so the way I've always seen it - why the fvck should I ever consider being loyal to an company... they are soulless and don't give a shit about their employees... why would I ever give a shit about them... they are place to get a check - nothing more. if that's "too cynical" that's tough shit... corporate america is reaping what it's been sewing for going on 20 years now... they want a loyalty they will never show...

it's the other side of the coin that has treated (especially hourly) employees like disposable commodities... they, in turn are treating those jobs as disposable commodities... turnabout is fair play... no?

are there worthless lumps in every generation - you bet... are the they frequently the ones who barely graduated high school and now need a decent paying job to support their families... yep... if you think this started in the last 20 years... you're kidding yourself.

I'm not looking for you to MARRY the company. Just have a work ethic. EARN your pay. Is that too much to ask? Seriously....you'd think we were splitting the fucking atom here.

when they aren't waiting on customers, do you have a garden you'd like them to tend? some turnips you need weeding? they're tellers... the difference between them and the kid working the mcdonalds line is their shirt and their proximity to a fry-o-lator (just saying...)

a job like that has this wonderful way of motivating someone to work only as hard as they have to not to get fired... this isn't revolutionary, or anything new at all... it's frankly a pretty shitty job - and the people doing it almost to a man don't want to be there - half are looking for something better - the other half are phoning it in because it's a job that in 20 years will be done by machines and it requires very little input from the person behind the counter...

[Cleets Part 2]

when they aren't waiting on customers, do you have a garden you'd like them to tend? some turnips you need weeding? they're tellers... the difference between them and the kid working the mcdonalds line is their shirt and their proximity to a fry-o-lator (just saying...)

a job like that has this wonderful way of motivating someone to work only as hard as they have to not to get fired... this isn't revolutionary, or anything new at all... it's frankly a pretty shitty job - and the people doing it almost to a man don't want to be there - half are looking for something better - the other half are phoning it in because it's a job that in 20 years will be done by machines and it requires very little input from the person behind the counter...

[AZGrizFan]

when they aren't waiting on customers, do you have a garden you'd like them to tend? some turnips you need weeding? they're tellers... the difference between them and the kid working the mcdonalds line is their shirt and their proximity to a fry-o-lator (just saying...)

a job like that has this wonderful way of motivating someone to work only as hard as they have to not to get fired... this isn't revolutionary, or anything new at all... it's frankly a pretty shitty job - and the people doing it almost to a man don't want to be there - half are looking for something better - the other half are phoning it in because it's a job that in 20 years will be done by machines and it requires very little input from the person behind the counter...

I have MANY 20-somethings working here who aren't tellers. Why do you assume I'm only talking about tellers? But you hit the nail on the head: work only as hard as they have to to not get fired---and then sue when they DO get fired, or expect to be promoted to VP of Something or Other because they managed to get to work on time for 12 days straight.

An honest day's work for an honest day's pay...I realize that's a unique, foreign concept to donks....and one of the main reasons this country is going down the shitter.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

when they aren't waiting on customers, do you have a garden you'd like them to tend? some turnips you need weeding? they're tellers... the difference between them and the kid working the mcdonalds line is their shirt and their proximity to a fry-o-lator (just saying...)

a job like that has this wonderful way of motivating someone to work only as hard as they have to not to get fired... this isn't revolutionary, or anything new at all... it's frankly a pretty shitty job - and the people doing it almost to a man don't want to be there - half are looking for something better - the other half are phoning it in because it's a job that in 20 years will be done by machines and it requires very little input from the person behind the counter...

I have MANY 20-somethings working here who aren't tellers. Why do you assume I'm only talking about tellers? But you hit the nail on the head: work only as hard as they have to to not get fired---and then sue when they DO get fired, or expect to be promoted to VP of Something or Other because they managed to get to work on time for 12 days straight.

An honest day's work for an honest day's pay...I realize that's a unique, foreign concept to donks....and one of the main reasons this country is going down the shitter.

in my day... we worked 16 hours a day - uphill both ways - in 10 feet of snow - with wild dogs chasing us - all for a nickle an hour... that's the way it was... and weeee liked it! weeee loved it!

[AZGrizFan]

in my day... we worked 16 hours a day - uphill both ways - in 10 feet of snow - with wild dogs chasing us - all for a nickle an hour... that's the way it was... and weeee liked it! weeee loved it!

I'd expect nothing less from you.

[D1B]

I have MANY 20-somethings working here who aren't tellers. Why do you assume I'm only talking about tellers? But you hit the nail on the head: work only as hard as they have to to not get fired---and then sue when they DO get fired, or expect to be promoted to VP of Something or Other because they managed to get to work on time for 12 days straight.

An honest day's work for an honest day's pay...I realize that's a unique, foreign concept to donks....and one of the main reasons this country is going down the shitter.

in my day... we worked 16 hours a day - uphill both ways - in 10 feet of snow - with wild dogs chasing us - all for a nickle an hour... that's the way it was... and weeee liked it! weeee loved it!

(Closed circuit to Z: I agree with him here. Young people are fucks.)

[Cleets Part 2]

An honest day's work for an honest day's pay...I realize that's a unique, foreign concept to donks....and one of the main reasons this country is going down the shitter.

You make no mention of the corporate thievery and fraud..?
So the only reason the country is going down the shitter is because...
the 20 somethings you employ hate working for you..?

You cheer me up AZ

[AZGrizFan]

An honest day's work for an honest day's pay...I realize that's a unique, foreign concept to donks....and one of the main reasons this country is going down the shitter.

You make no mention of the corporate thievery and fraud..?
So the only reason the country is going down the shitter is because...
the 20 somethings you employ hate working for you..?

You cheer me up AZ

Ah, if it were only ME that had an issue then the country would be fine. It's not that they hate working for ME, it's that they hate WORK. They want everything handed to them on a silver platter. It's their RIGHT. The entitlement generation will put the final several nails in the coffin of the country.

Bank on it.

[Cleets Part 2]

You make no mention of the corporate thievery and fraud..?
So the only reason the country is going down the shitter is because...
the 20 somethings you employ hate working for you..?

You cheer me up AZ

Ah, if it were only ME that had an issue then the country would be fine. It's not that they hate working for ME, it's that they hate WORK. They want everything handed to them on a silver platter. It's their RIGHT. The entitlement generation will put the final several nails in the coffin of the country.

Bank on it.

You only mention 1/2 of the problem...
I would guess that (what you mentioned) combined with rampant corporate corruption and greed ought to be just about the ticket...

[AZGrizFan]

Ah, if it were only ME that had an issue then the country would be fine. It's not that they hate working for ME, it's that they hate WORK. They want everything handed to them on a silver platter. It's their RIGHT. The entitlement generation will put the final several nails in the coffin of the country.

Bank on it.

You only mention 1/2 of the problem...
I would guess that (what you mentioned) combined with rampant corporate corruption and greed ought to be just about the ticket...

The Enrons of the world get a lot of press. I would hardly call the corruption in corporate America "rampant".

[houndawg]

BFD. How many of them get to shop at the PX?

yeah. That's SUCH an AWESOME benefit.

The only PX (or "Exchange" in Chair Force terminology) in Phoenix is almost 40 miles away at Luke AFB. The gas I would use going there and back offsets any possible savings I might realize by shopping there.

I say, I say, that's a joke, son! Pay attention when I'm talkin to ya, I won't always be here to help you through life.

[houndawg]

when they aren't waiting on customers, do you have a garden you'd like them to tend? some turnips you need weeding? they're tellers... the difference between them and the kid working the mcdonalds line is their shirt and their proximity to a fry-o-lator (just saying...)

a job like that has this wonderful way of motivating someone to work only as hard as they have to not to get fired... this isn't revolutionary, or anything new at all... it's frankly a pretty shitty job - and the people doing it almost to a man don't want to be there - half are looking for something better - the other half are phoning it in because it's a job that in 20 years will be done by machines and it requires very little input from the person behind the counter...

I have MANY 20-somethings working here who aren't tellers. Why do you assume I'm only talking about tellers? But you hit the nail on the head: work only as hard as they have to to not get fired---and then sue when they DO get fired, or expect to be promoted to VP of Something or Other because they managed to get to work on time for 12 days straight.

An honest day's work for an honest day's pay...I realize that's a unique, foreign concept to donks....and one of the main reasons this country is going down the shitter.

Nobody buys into that company loyalty BS any more 'Griz. That's what the companies wanted and that's what they got. They want the most they can get for the lowest cost to them, but they are just agog that their employees feel the same way.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

You make no mention of the corporate thievery and fraud..?
So the only reason the country is going down the shitter is because...
the 20 somethings you employ hate working for you..?

You cheer me up AZ

Ah, if it were only ME that had an issue then the country would be fine. It's not that they hate working for ME, it's that they hate WORK. They want everything handed to them on a silver platter. It's their RIGHT. The entitlement generation will put the final several nails in the coffin of the country.

Bank on it.

old people think young people don't value work... sunrise... sunset...

sorry, but hearing baby boomers say it makes me laugh... since they were so outraged when their parents said it about them...

like i said... it's as old as time for the olders to say and think it... nothing new here

[TwinTownBisonFan]

I have MANY 20-somethings working here who aren't tellers. Why do you assume I'm only talking about tellers? But you hit the nail on the head: work only as hard as they have to to not get fired---and then sue when they DO get fired, or expect to be promoted to VP of Something or Other because they managed to get to work on time for 12 days straight.

An honest day's work for an honest day's pay...I realize that's a unique, foreign concept to donks....and one of the main reasons this country is going down the shitter.

Nobody buys into that company loyalty BS any more 'Griz. That's what the companies wanted and that's what they got. They want the most they can get for the lowest cost to them, but they are just agog that their employees feel the same way.

bangarang.

[AZGrizFan]

Nobody buys into that company loyalty BS any more 'Griz. That's what the companies wanted and that's what they got. They want the most they can get for the lowest cost to them, but they are just agog that their employees feel the same way.

Why do you equate "company loyalty" with having a fucking WORK ETHIC? There's a HUGE difference.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

Nobody buys into that company loyalty BS any more 'Griz. That's what the companies wanted and that's what they got. They want the most they can get for the lowest cost to them, but they are just agog that their employees feel the same way.

Why do you equate "company loyalty" with having a fucking WORK ETHIC? There's a HUGE difference.

not at all z, what exactly is an employees motivation to work any harder for the company, than the company is going to work for him??? the thought of a job well done??? puh-leeze. it's entirely relevant

by the way... you roll your eyes more than a fourteen year old girl being warned about boys...

[native]

No, what's building socialism in America is the realization amongst Americans that they can do NOTHING and live off the government teet, because their benevolent government will take from those who HAVE (at alarmingly increasing levels), and those who WORK, to give to those who choose NOT to work. It's a slippery slope we've started down, and not one I'm sure we can recover from.

No, we won't recover short of a bloody revolution. Because the two parties in power are both providing a teet to a different constituency and believe their teet is justified, rational & consistent with their intepretation of the constitution...like two wolves and a sheep trying to decide what's for dinner (we the sheeple).....

Damm it, Appy!

Normally I enjoy it when you make a good point and share a salient insight. This time your insight is just plain depressing.

[AZGrizFan]

Why do you equate "company loyalty" with having a fucking WORK ETHIC? There's a HUGE difference.

not at all z, what exactly is an employees motivation to work any harder for the company, than the company is going to work for him??? the thought of a job well done??? puh-leeze. it's entirely relevant

by the way... you roll your eyes more than a fourteen year old girl being warned about boys...

I guess I view it entirely differently. I always felt if I worked hard I would ultimately get rewarded through promotion, making myself qualified for a higher paying job at another organization, etc. See, THAT'S what I call work ethic, and I'm not embarrassed that I have one. But BECAUSE I have one, I won't apologize for actually GETTING somewhere in life, unlike most of today's generation which wants shit handed to them on a silver platter because they've been indoctrinated into the "entitlement" generation. Getting some sick satisfaction because you're "gettin' one over on 'the man'" by screwing the corporation out of your pay is a VERY short-sighted approach. It's the same approach used by my 15-year-old son. I guess I thought at some point you grew out of that juvenile mindset.

Apparently not.

[native]

Why do you equate "company loyalty" with having a **** WORK ETHIC? There's a HUGE difference.

not at all z, what exactly is an employees motivation to work any harder for the company, than the company is going to work for him??? the thought of a job well done??? puh-leeze. it's entirely relevant

by the way... you roll your eyes more than a fourteen year old girl being warned about boys...

Thank you for providing that sharp insight into Obama's "What can my country do for me?!" ethic.

Since you appear to be so depressingly ignorant of so many important historical facts, I must ask: Do you know who said "Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country?" Does it mean anything to you?

[TwinTownBisonFan]

not at all z, what exactly is an employees motivation to work any harder for the company, than the company is going to work for him??? the thought of a job well done??? puh-leeze. it's entirely relevant

by the way... you roll your eyes more than a fourteen year old girl being warned about boys...

I guess I view it entirely differently. I always felt if I worked hard I would ultimately get rewarded through promotion, making myself qualified for a higher paying job at another organization, etc. See, THAT'S what I call work ethic, and I'm not embarrassed that I have one. Getting some sick satisfaction because you're "gettin' one over on 'the man'" by screwing the corporation out of your pay is a VERY short-sighted approach. It's the same approach used by my 15-year-old son. I guess I thought at some point you grew out of that juvenile mindset.

Apparently not.

sorry, after watching both of my parents take that approach and getting fucked over - i dont buy the Horatio Alger myth. you can work your ass off and when the company decides it's used you up, they leave you by the side of the road... in my parents case, too old to be hired ANYWHERE... in my dads case hobbled by injuries from 20 years of working for them (he was rewarded three years ago by being put on three 12 hour days Saturday-Sunday-Monday - loading trailers)... hard work and playing by the rules hasn't exactly worked out for most of the people I know...

with my mom... 30 years in their corporate office... dumped like a lot of used office furniture - now forced to temp because at her age no company will bother to hire her... the MBA's and executives broke the "fair days pay for a fair days work" almost 20 years ago... employees are commodities to them... so employers are just the assholes who cut your check... you don't owe them any more than the bare minimum, since that's all they'll give you in return, no matter what you do

[AZGrizFan]

sorry, after watching both of my parents take that approach and getting fucked over - i dont buy the Horatio Alger myth. you can work your ass off and when the company decides it's used you up, they leave you by the side of the road... in my parents case, too old to be hired ANYWHERE... in my dads case hobbled by injuries from 20 years of working for them (he was rewarded three years ago by being put on three 12 hour days Saturday-Sunday-Monday - loading trailers)... hard work and playing by the rules hasn't exactly worked out for most of the people I know...

with my mom... 30 years in their corporate office... dumped like a lot of used office furniture - now forced to temp because at her age no company will bother to hire her...

Try stepping outside of your own little world.