Try again buddy... U crushed a Div II? Western State, wow big accomplishment there. You crushed Portland State... again wow...
As for that other crushing victory? 17-10 against UC Davis... hardly a crushing victory there
Sorry Travis, I misread the game logs... two crushing victories and they're 4-0 still... do I think they're a first place team so far? No. Do I think it's ridiculous they have a first place vote? No. I'm sure you wouldn't be on here pitching a bitch fit if UNH had of picked up a vote. Perhaps you missed the rest of the post too... consistently good = top ranking (whether or not you think their conference/schedule is weak). Besides, we all know grizza put in the first place vote.
Gil Dobie wrote:
No, they have a loss, an FBS loss, but a loss is a loss is a loss.
to a team that just took down Penn State IN State College... and on two blocked field goals as time was expiring... I've got UNI as my #1 right now... followed very closely by several others...
The Big Ten is overrated. App St beat Michigan a couple years ago, and NDSU beat Minnesota, UNH Northwestern. UNI LOST
You lost to Iowa fucking State....the reject of D1 football in Iowa...and big.
We should have beaten Iowa, and have completely destroyed the three teams we have played since. 14 points in 12 quarters with 176 minutes of play between the two scores. We will, in all likelihood, pitch another shut out this week meaning that in 236 minutes of FCS football UNI will have given up 14 points...or about 3.3 points per game.
App State on the other hand has lost twice, won once and few people have a problem with them still being in the top 10. One of their losses came to an average, at best, ECU team. UNI's loss came to a currently 13th rated Iowa team
clenz wrote:We should have beaten Iowa, and have completely destroyed the three teams we have played since. 14 points in 12 quarters with 176 minutes of play between the two scores. We will, in all likelihood, pitch another shut out this week meaning that in 236 minutes of FCS football UNI will have given up 14 points...or about 3.3 points per game.
App State on the other hand has lost twice, won once and few people have a problem with them still being in the top 10. One of their losses came to an average, at best, ECU team. UNI's loss came to a currently 13th rated Iowa team
I don't have App St in my top 10. I have UNI in my top 10, but they have a loss and shouldn't be #1.
Gil - you're saying you'd punish and FCS team for losing a money game to a top 25 caliber FBS squad??? and by one point on a late blocked kick?
are you deluded enough that you really believe the talent levels are equal between the two subdivisions?
sorry man, but all loses are not created equal - and while others may disagree with my philosophy of not punishing teams for ANY FBS loss - it makes a hell of a lot more sense than punishing a school for a loss to a top 25 FBS team on the last play of the game. especially when they had to try and overcome Big Ten refs... and as a neutral observer... they were baggin' it for the Hawkeyes
Richmond - while winning, has looked far from impressive in a number of their FCS contests and while they beat FBS Duke... Duke is not Iowa.
I guess I'm just confused by your logic Gil
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:Gil - you're saying you'd punish and FCS team for losing a money game to a top 25 caliber FBS squad??? and by one point on a late blocked kick?
are you deluded enough that you really believe the talent levels are equal between the two subdivisions?
sorry man, but all loses are not created equal - and while others may disagree with my philosophy of not punishing teams for ANY FBS loss - it makes a hell of a lot more sense than punishing a school for a loss to a top 25 FBS team on the last play of the game. especially when they had to try and overcome Big Ten refs... and as a neutral observer... they were baggin' it for the Hawkeyes
Richmond - while winning, has looked far from impressive in a number of their FCS contests and while they beat FBS Duke... Duke is not Iowa.
I guess I'm just confused by your logic Gil
No, punishment is not an issue. No way UNI should be punished. However, why should they be rewarded for losing? You can't tell me they almost beat Iowa on their best day. You also can't tell me they would come close to that outcome ever again. In that regard, there is no punishment, but who outside of 3rd graders are rewarded for losing. Richmond is undefeated. They've beaten everyone, including their FBS team (regardless of who it was, hell UCA was awarded for beating WKU and they were the 3 point favorite in the game). So let me ask you this. Should Richmond be punished for winning?
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:Gil - you're saying you'd punish and FCS team for losing a money game to a top 25 caliber FBS squad??? and by one point on a late blocked kick?
are you deluded enough that you really believe the talent levels are equal between the two subdivisions?
sorry man, but all loses are not created equal - and while others may disagree with my philosophy of not punishing teams for ANY FBS loss - it makes a hell of a lot more sense than punishing a school for a loss to a top 25 FBS team on the last play of the game. especially when they had to try and overcome Big Ten refs... and as a neutral observer... they were baggin' it for the Hawkeyes
Richmond - while winning, has looked far from impressive in a number of their FCS contests and while they beat FBS Duke... Duke is not Iowa.
I guess I'm just confused by your logic Gil
Wideright kind of made my point. Should Iowa be rewarded for losing to Iowa by 1 point. I don't have UNI in my top 5. All losses are not equal, but losses are not better than wins.
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:Gil - you're saying you'd punish and FCS team for losing a money game to a top 25 caliber FBS squad??? and by one point on a late blocked kick?
are you deluded enough that you really believe the talent levels are equal between the two subdivisions?
sorry man, but all loses are not created equal - and while others may disagree with my philosophy of not punishing teams for ANY FBS loss - it makes a hell of a lot more sense than punishing a school for a loss to a top 25 FBS team on the last play of the game. especially when they had to try and overcome Big Ten refs... and as a neutral observer... they were baggin' it for the Hawkeyes
Richmond - while winning, has looked far from impressive in a number of their FCS contests and while they beat FBS Duke... Duke is not Iowa.
I guess I'm just confused by your logic Gil
Wideright kind of made my point. Should Iowa be rewarded for losing to Iowa by 1 point. I don't have UNI in my top 5. All losses are not equal, but losses are not better than wins.
That loss was particularly egregious, since they had not ONE, but TWO chances to win it and allowed BOTH kicks to be blocked.
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:Gil - you're saying you'd punish and FCS team for losing a money game to a top 25 caliber FBS squad??? and by one point on a late blocked kick?
are you deluded enough that you really believe the talent levels are equal between the two subdivisions?
sorry man, but all loses are not created equal - and while others may disagree with my philosophy of not punishing teams for ANY FBS loss - it makes a hell of a lot more sense than punishing a school for a loss to a top 25 FBS team on the last play of the game. especially when they had to try and overcome Big Ten refs... and as a neutral observer... they were baggin' it for the Hawkeyes
Richmond - while winning, has looked far from impressive in a number of their FCS contests and while they beat FBS Duke... Duke is not Iowa.
I guess I'm just confused by your logic Gil
GAWD, I hate myself for this, but I must agree with TTBF on this one.
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:Gil - you're saying you'd punish and FCS team for losing a money game to a top 25 caliber FBS squad??? and by one point on a late blocked kick?
are you deluded enough that you really believe the talent levels are equal between the two subdivisions?
sorry man, but all loses are not created equal - and while others may disagree with my philosophy of not punishing teams for ANY FBS loss - it makes a hell of a lot more sense than punishing a school for a loss to a top 25 FBS team on the last play of the game. especially when they had to try and overcome Big Ten refs... and as a neutral observer... they were baggin' it for the Hawkeyes
Richmond - while winning, has looked far from impressive in a number of their FCS contests and while they beat FBS Duke... Duke is not Iowa.
I guess I'm just confused by your logic Gil
GAWD, I hate myself for this, but I must agree with TTBF on this one.
So you agree that I am deluded and believe the talent levels are equal between the two subdivisions.
Then you fell for the old donk trick of villifying the messenger.
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:Gil - you're saying you'd punish and FCS team for losing a money game to a top 25 caliber FBS squad??? and by one point on a late blocked kick?
are you deluded enough that you really believe the talent levels are equal between the two subdivisions?
sorry man, but all loses are not created equal - and while others may disagree with my philosophy of not punishing teams for ANY FBS loss - it makes a hell of a lot more sense than punishing a school for a loss to a top 25 FBS team on the last play of the game. especially when they had to try and overcome Big Ten refs... and as a neutral observer... they were baggin' it for the Hawkeyes
Richmond - while winning, has looked far from impressive in a number of their FCS contests and while they beat FBS Duke... Duke is not Iowa.
I guess I'm just confused by your logic Gil
GAWD, I hate myself for this, but I must agree with TTBF on this one.
well of course a guy who cheers on Weber (and their two FBS loses) would think that
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:Gil - you're saying you'd punish and FCS team for losing a money game to a top 25 caliber FBS squad??? and by one point on a late blocked kick?
are you deluded enough that you really believe the talent levels are equal between the two subdivisions?
sorry man, but all loses are not created equal - and while others may disagree with my philosophy of not punishing teams for ANY FBS loss - it makes a hell of a lot more sense than punishing a school for a loss to a top 25 FBS team on the last play of the game. especially when they had to try and overcome Big Ten refs... and as a neutral observer... they were baggin' it for the Hawkeyes
Richmond - while winning, has looked far from impressive in a number of their FCS contests and while they beat FBS Duke... Duke is not Iowa.
I guess I'm just confused by your logic Gil
No, punishment is not an issue. No way UNI should be punished. However, why should they be rewarded for losing? You can't tell me they almost beat Iowa on their best day. You also can't tell me they would come close to that outcome ever again. In that regard, there is no punishment, but who outside of 3rd graders are rewarded for losing. Richmond is undefeated. They've beaten everyone, including their FBS team (regardless of who it was, hell UCA was awarded for beating WKU and they were the 3 point favorite in the game). So let me ask you this. Should Richmond be punished for winning?
No... not really... however i do think there are times where "winning ugly in a game you should dominate" is cause for a team to slide (if montana state had been vote worthy before Dixie St... they weren't probably afterward)
but IMO you don't punish a team for losing to an FBS team (esp in the top 25)
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No, punishment is not an issue. No way UNI should be punished. However, why should they be rewarded for losing? You can't tell me they almost beat Iowa on their best day. You also can't tell me they would come close to that outcome ever again. In that regard, there is no punishment, but who outside of 3rd graders are rewarded for losing. Richmond is undefeated. They've beaten everyone, including their FBS team (regardless of who it was, hell UCA was awarded for beating WKU and they were the 3 point favorite in the game). So let me ask you this. Should Richmond be punished for winning?
No... not really... however i do think there are times where "winning ugly in a game you should dominate" is cause for a team to slide (if montana state had been vote worthy before Dixie St... they weren't probably afterward)
but IMO you don't punish a team for losing to an FBS team (esp in the top 25)
ehhhhh I think there is SOME merit to that.... but teams occasionally have bad games and the score ends up a lot closer than it should be. See Villanova v. Penn last week. The better team will usually win in the end. Be it better speed, better strength, better guts, better field goal blocking. My father taught me something that set him apart to become a nationally ranked tennis player. He always said, "My shots may not be flawless, and I may not be the best at hitting the shots, but god help me if you get me close enough to smell a victory. I will win." That's the difference between a team or person who should be ranked highly and one that shouldn't. You win.
wideright82 wrote: That's the difference between a team or person who should be ranked highly and one that shouldn't. You win.
So if a team loses, even if by 1 to a team that should beat them by 40, they don't deserve to be ranked highly because they lost?
Good theory, I'll remember that if Richmond or Nova lose a game this year when I'm doing my poll....to an FCS opponent.......
Did you even read what we were talking about? Jesus Christ clenz. We were talking about close victories not close losses you nincumpoop. Stop being so vain, we weren't talking about you. I have UNI ranked ahead of Nova in my poll right now because of real football reasons like our O-Line being streaky.
this is what I said about UNI ass-clown:
No, punishment is not an issue. No way UNI should be punished. However, why should they be rewarded for losing?
Big difference. They were already highly ranked, clenz. What the fuck did you want to happen when you lost? If you were say, 18 when you lost to Iowa, maybe we'd be having a different talk. Do you want to be ranked above Nova, is that the issue clenz? Did you beat Temple? Did you beat Virginia? For fucks sake, no, you fucking lost.
wideright and gil dobie, your logic is ridiculous.
You going to punish FCS teams for losing to NFL teams to? A loss is a loss?
There is a HUGE difference between playing temple and duke, and playing a RANKED FBS team. If I remember correctly, App St's win over a ranked Michigan is the only win over a ranked FBS team in FCS history. UNI had Iowa beat, but didn't execute the FG, and you are going to drop them in the polls because of it? I don't think you guys quite understand the difference between BCS football and 1-AA football. There IS a big difference and UNI almost beat a very good ranked BCS team at their place in front of 70K people. Not the same as beating temple at their place when nobody is watching.
And I'm not trying to knock wins over temple and duke. I would be proud to win those games too. But the fact that games against temple and duke are even close games, shows the difference between FBS and FCS. In other words, it takes an extremely close game for some elite FCS teams to beat some terrible FBS programs. The fact that it takes OT to beat some terrible FBS teams, should show you how incredibly difficult it is for an FCS team (UNI) to beat, or even keep it close with a ranked BCS team (Iowa).
DJH wrote:wideright and gil dobie, your logic is ridiculous.
You going to punish FCS teams for losing to NFL teams to? A loss is a loss?
There is a HUGE difference between playing temple and duke, and playing a RANKED FBS team. If I remember correctly, App St's win over a ranked Michigan is the only win over a ranked FBS team in FCS history. UNI had Iowa beat, but didn't execute the FG, and you are going to drop them in the polls because of it? I don't think you guys quite understand the difference between BCS football and 1-AA football. There IS a big difference and UNI almost beat a very good ranked BCS team at their place in front of 70K people. Not the same as beating temple at their place when nobody is watching.
And I'm not trying to knock wins over temple and duke. I would be proud to win those games too. But the fact that games against temple and duke are even close games, shows the difference between FBS and FCS. In other words, it takes an extremely close game for some elite FCS teams to beat some terrible FBS programs. The fact that it takes OT to beat some terrible FBS teams, should show you how incredibly difficult it is for an FCS team (UNI) to beat, or even keep it close with a ranked BCS team (Iowa).
DJH wrote:wideright and gil dobie, your logic is ridiculous.
You going to punish FCS teams for losing to NFL teams to? A loss is a loss?
There is a HUGE difference between playing temple and duke, and playing a RANKED FBS team. If I remember correctly, App St's win over a ranked Michigan is the only win over a ranked FBS team in FCS history. UNI had Iowa beat, but didn't execute the FG, and you are going to drop them in the polls because of it? I don't think you guys quite understand the difference between BCS football and 1-AA football. There IS a big difference and UNI almost beat a very good ranked BCS team at their place in front of 70K people. Not the same as beating temple at their place when nobody is watching.
And I'm not trying to knock wins over temple and duke. I would be proud to win those games too. But the fact that games against temple and duke are even close games, shows the difference between FBS and FCS. In other words, it takes an extremely close game for some elite FCS teams to beat some terrible FBS programs. The fact that it takes OT to beat some terrible FBS teams, should show you how incredibly difficult it is for an FCS team (UNI) to beat, or even keep it close with a ranked BCS team (Iowa).
**** seriously?!
wideright82, I don't think they get what we are saying. Reward the winners with higher rankings. If UNI had beaten Iowa, I still wouldn't have them #1. They would be higher in my top 10 though.
wideright82, I don't think they get what we are saying. Reward the winners with higher rankings. If UNI had beaten Iowa, I still wouldn't have them #1. They would be higher in my top 10 though.
Wait. So if UNI had beaten, then 22 now 13, FBS Iowa by completely dominating that game then went on and allowed 14 points in 3 games against FBS opponents they still wouldn't be #1 sitting at 4-0?
Gil Dobie wrote:
wideright82, I don't think they get what we are saying. Reward the winners with higher rankings. If UNI had beaten Iowa, I still wouldn't have them #1. They would be higher in my top 10 though.
Wait. So if UNI had beaten, then 22 now 13, FBS Iowa by completely dominating that game then went on and allowed 14 points in 3 games against FBS opponents they still wouldn't be #1 sitting at 4-0?
That THAT is laughable.
2 FCS opponents, 1 FCS in transition. Iowa would not be #13 now for one thing. As the season progresses, if UNI keeps winning, they will move up according for winning.
wideright82, I don't think they get what we are saying. Reward the winners with higher rankings. If UNI had beaten Iowa, I still wouldn't have them #1. They would be higher in my top 10 though.
No they dont. I do disagree though that UNI wouldn't be my overall 1. They would be my #1 handilly
Gil Dobie wrote:
wideright82, I don't think they get what we are saying. Reward the winners with higher rankings. If UNI had beaten Iowa, I still wouldn't have them #1. They would be higher in my top 10 though.
No they dont. I do disagree though that UNI wouldn't be my overall 1. They would be my #1 handilly
Guess I was just pertaining to the reward the winners part. I'm sure UNI would get plenty of #1 votes if they had won, and I have no problem with that.
No they dont. I do disagree though that UNI wouldn't be my overall 1. They would be my #1 handilly
Guess I was just pertaining to the reward the winners part. I'm sure UNI would get plenty of #1 votes if they had won, and I have no problem with that.
Oh, yeah definately. I mean they were high in my list before the game so the win would have definately put them at 1 for me. We're on the same page. Some UNI posters should try reading it so that they can stop looking like asses.
