CAA 4 - FBS 4

[JMU DJ]

Nah, when I said "Not talking about money here" I was just using my JewTrickery to convince AZ they don't need to play top tier FBS teams so that JMU can get all that sweet sweet FBS money.

[wideright82]

Nah, when I said "Not talking about money here" I was just using my JewTrickery to convince AZ they don't need to play top tier FBS teams so that JMU can get all that sweet sweet FBS money.

Well done sir. You Jews are certainly tricky.

[AZGrizFan]

Not talking about money here... I know you guys make a bunch off your home games (other Big Sky schools don't). All my comments have been in reference to the fact that you guys do have FBS teams you can play... which ScreaminEagle was saying you guys didn't. In your case, not economical, which has been discussed about every other week on this or other boards. For the other Big Sky schools, the payday is worth it. Usually 200-300k for playing "bottom tier" teams helps. Keep on spinning your story though, that's what you Conks are best at

OK, so let's paint a different choice: Every other BSC program struggles with attendance, hence funding for the program...so lets leave the Griz out of it:

Choice A: Schedule Cal, get waxed, but get a $500,000 payday that may mean some other athletic program gets funded for another year

or

Choice B: Schedule New Mexico State, have a chance to win, but get a $200,000 payday and cut Women's Golf....

$200,000 helps. $500,000 helps MORE. If you need more assistance with the math, just let me know.

[JMU DJ]

OK, so let's paint a different choice: Every other BSC program struggles with attendance, hence funding for the program...so lets leave the Griz out of it:

Choice A: Schedule Cal, get waxed, but get a $500,000 payday that may mean some other athletic program gets funded for another year

or

Choice B: Schedule New Mexico State, have a chance to win, but get a $200,000 payday and cut Women's Golf....

$200,000 helps. $500,000 helps MORE. If you need more assistance with the math, just let me know.

Man you love coffee more than MJ... I get the math, but again, not talking about money, just that you have the ability to play those teams if you want. Sure, if you need the money (which from what I can gather from you, all the BSC schools are broke besides UM) then schedule the payday... but don't give us grief for scheduling the lower tier teams because our schools are more affluent. Also, women's golf wouldn't be cut, the Men's golf team would go first... Title IX. So your point is totally invalid

[AZGrizFan]

Man you love coffee more than MJ... I get the math, but again, not talking about money, just that you have the ability to play those teams if you want. Sure, if you need the money (which from what I can gather from you, all the BSC schools are broke besides UM) then schedule the payday... but don't give us grief for scheduling the lower tier teams because our schools are more affluent. Also, women's golf wouldn't be cut, the Men's golf team would go first... Title IX. So your point is totally invalid

YOU'RE not talking about money, but I guarantee you that's ALL the AD's are talking about. If you WANT??? Sure, we could play Oregon, Cal and USC if we WANTED to...I would venture a guess that very few AD's WANT to play up. They're forced to to balance the books. What color is the sky in your world?

[BDKJMU]

I don't know what you're talking about, there are plenty of "bottom feeder" teams out there on the west coast... in fact, you guys have played a couple of them in the past decade. So don't give me this "pity us" deal.

Plenty? I count less than 15 "bottom feeder" within 1200 miles of Montana. There's probably 50 within 200 miles of JMU.

Try 6 I-A within 200 of JMU period, and only 1 perennial bottom feeder:
VT (perennial top 15-20- JMU played them in 99' and 03')
UVA (usually over .500 but suck this yr.
WVU (perennial top 25 (JMU played them in 04')
MD (usually over .500 and sometimes ranked but suck this yr)
Duke (usually suck but at least last yr when JMU played them last yr they were 55th of 120 IA in Sagarin)
Navy (sometimes decent, sometimes suck)

[BDKJMU]

Top to bottom, the MWC is far superior to the ACC and Big East.

When is the last time the MAC or Sunbelt, or even C-USA had a team in a BCS bowl? MWC and WAC do so regularly.

08' Sagarin:
1. Southeastern
2. Big 12
3. ACC (no great teams, but only a couple bad ones, 10 of 12 in bowls)
4. PAC 10
5. Big East
6. Big 10
7. MWC
8. C-USA
* I-A Independents
9.WAC
10. MAC
11. Colonial*
12. Sun Belt
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc08.htm

09' Sagarin
1.PAC-10
2. Southeastern
3. ACC
4. Big 12
5. Big 10
6. Big East
* I-A Independents
7. Mountain West
8. WAC
9. C-USA
10. MAC
11. Sun Belt
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc09.htm

MWC: 3 of 9 ranked
ACC: 4 of 12 ranked
Big East: 1 of 8 ranked
http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings

Don't like the Sagarin? Show me any computer ranking system that has the MWC ahead of both the Big East and ACC. If you had simply said that the MVC was a better than the BIG East I wouldn't argue. Same thing for the ACC. But to say top to bottom it is "far superior" is ridiculous, because 3-4 of those 9 MWC are pretty bad.

[BDKJMU]

Top to bottom, the MWC is far superior to the ACC and Big East.

When is the last time the MAC or Sunbelt, or even C-USA had a team in a BCS bowl? MWC and WAC do so regularly.

I like the Big East, and I agree with you. The current FBS system sucks. There is no way that the ACC and Big East deserve automatics BCS bids.

I'd agree the Big East doesn't deserve a bid- only one of 8 teams ranked right now. But the ACC does have 4 ranked teams. I'd like to see them take it away from every league that doesn't have a championship game- the Big East, Big 10, and Pac-10. Those teams have an advantage having to play 12 games as opposed to 13 before their BCS Bowl game. Give it to the winner of the SEC, the Big 12, ACC and 7 at large teams. Tell the Big 10, Pac 10 and Big east if they want a BCS bid then add a couple more teams and have a league championship game. Heck, the WAC and MWC winners could have a championship game for a BCS bid. This will never happen though...

[BDKJMU]

3 of 8 and 3 of 10 in the MWC and Pac-10 are ranked, and the other are NOWHERE near the level of Temple, Duke, or Ball State.

You're kidding right? New Mexico? UNLV? San Diego St? Wyoming? are WAY better than Temple, Ball State, Duke...

The bottom 4-5 MWC teams are on the same level or worse than Temple, Ball State and Duke.

08' Sagarin:
-Air Force 56
-Duke 57 (they did beat bowl Navy and Vandy, crushed UVA 31-3 (who was 5-7), beat JMU, lost in OT to bowl Wake Forest)
-Ball Sate 65 (they were 12-2 last yr (granted, was the MAC)
-Col St 73
-New Mex 84
-UNLV 94
-Temple 98
-Wyoming 122
-San Diego St 136
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt08.htm

[BDKJMU]

Should have included, I'm aware that there are more FBS schools on the east coast... more of a selection. There are also more FCS teams over here, more teams for the FBS schools to pick from. Yes I'm also aware of your isolation out in MT, fact still is, there are teams within your normal traveling radius you could easily play ... every Big Sky school has to travel as much as you.

Choice A: Get on a bus, take the 4 1/2 hour road trip to Moscow, Idaho, beat up the hapless Vandals for a $50,000 payday (which actually LOSES the school money becuase of travel expenses)

or

Choice B: Schedule D-II patsie Western State of Colorado and have ZERO travel expenses and put $750,000 into the school coffers.


Yeah, that's a tough one.

I bet Idaho would pay out at least 100k for a I-AA. JMU even got 150k out of Duke in 08', 300k out of UNC in 07', and 350k I believe out of MD. I know the big BCS powers are paying out 400-700k.

Even home games have travel expenses assuming Montana stays in a hotel for home games like a lot (or most) teams...

[AZGrizFan]

I bet Idaho would pay out at least 100k for a I-AA. JMU even got 150k out of Duke in 08', 300k out of UNC in 07', and 350k I believe out of MD. I know the big BCS powers are paying out 400-700k.

Even home games have travel expenses assuming Montana stays in a hotel for home games like a lot (or most) teams...

Idaho could pay $500k (which I assure you they don't) and it STILL would cost the Griz a couple hundred thousand in lost revenue to go there to play. Just doesn't make business sense....especially as funding sources are drying up left and right.

[89Hen]

The other big consideration where the East Coasters definitely have an advantage is geography. I would MUCH rather UD play games that are close to UD. It would appear more and more teams agree. Virgnia has gone to only playing I-AA's in state, same for South Carolina. Having a chance at a win + playing somebody within a couple hours >>>> taking a large payday far away. If you notice that Maine will travel far to get a payday. Makes sense as the only I-A teams close(ish) are BC and UConn. So if they're going to have to go far for a game, they may as well get paid well.

[UNI88]

The other big consideration where the East Coasters definitely have an advantage is geography. I would MUCH rather UD play games that are close to UD. It would appear more and more teams agree. Virgnia has gone to only playing I-AA's in state, same for South Carolina. Having a chance at a win + playing somebody within a couple hours >>>> taking a large payday far away. If you notice that Maine will travel far to get a payday. Makes sense as the only I-A teams close(ish) are BC and UConn. So if they're going to have to go far for a game, they may as well get paid well.

Is Virginia only playing I-AA's in state due to budget considerations? It seems as if Iowa and Iowa State started playing UNI again in the mid 80's after Iowa payed Northern Illinois a couple hundred thousand dollars to come to Iowa City. I could see the state legislature putting a little pressure on the I-A schools through the Regents to play (and pay) in-state schools if they're going to spend that kind of money. The state government has an interest in seeing that money staying in state and going to help other state universities.

[dbackjon]

The Arizona Board of Regents has mandated that if Arizona State and UofA are going to play a FCS team, NAU has first dibs on the game. NAU currently rotates, playing every other year at each school. In the off year, the teams play another FCS school.

[89Hen]

Is Virginia only playing I-AA's in state due to budget considerations?

The state government has an interest in seeing that money staying in state and going to help other state universities.

I honestly don't know, but I'd have to guess no becasue I think Virginia Tech plays AppSt in 2011 and I assume they'd have the same restrictions as UVA.

In the case of South Carolina however, I do know the state legislature jumped in when it came to playing SCSt and I think as a side effect they went to an all SC I-AA schedule.

[BDKJMU]

The other big consideration where the East Coasters definitely have an advantage is geography. I would MUCH rather UD play games that are close to UD. It would appear more and more teams agree. Virgnia has gone to only playing I-AA's in state, same for South Carolina. Having a chance at a win + playing somebody within a couple hours >>>> taking a large payday far away. If you notice that Maine will travel far to get a payday. Makes sense as the only I-A teams close(ish) are BC and UConn. So if they're going to have to go far for a game, they may as well get paid well.

Is Virginia only playing I-AA's in state due to budget considerations? It seems as if Iowa and Iowa State started playing UNI again in the mid 80's after Iowa payed Northern Illinois a couple hundred thousand dollars to come to Iowa City. I could see the state legislature putting a little pressure on the I-A schools through the Regents to play (and pay) in-state schools if they're going to spend that kind of money. The state government has an interest in seeing that money staying in state and going to help other state universities.

I believe the UVA football program is funding is separately from the rest of the athletic dept: outside donations, ticket sales, ACC TV and bowl revenue, etc. So as long as the football team is turning a profit and doesn't require any state or university funding, don't think the state can tell them who they have to play as far as I-AA.

[pantherrob82]

Impressive only in that they beat FBS teams, for which we are all happy but, these are not the cream of the crop of the FBS, sort of the sour cream.

App beat Michigan a bit ago
UNI almost took down Iowa St
Chuck South took on Florida St.
TXST will tackle TCU

UNI almost took down Iowa.
We did take down Iowa St in 2007 and lost to them by 1 or 2 in 2006.

[BlueHen86]

The other big consideration where the East Coasters definitely have an advantage is geography. I would MUCH rather UD play games that are close to UD. It would appear more and more teams agree. Virgnia has gone to only playing I-AA's in state, same for South Carolina. Having a chance at a win + playing somebody within a couple hours >>>> taking a large payday far away. If you notice that Maine will travel far to get a payday. Makes sense as the only I-A teams close(ish) are BC and UConn. So if they're going to have to go far for a game, they may as well get paid well.

Good point. Maine did play UConn recently, buy I'm not sure UConn wants to play them every year.

I also like that UD plays FBS schools that are close to Newark.

[putter]

Some have said that you leave the money out and Montana could schedule better OOC teams. Lets look at this year.

1. Home against Western St
2. Fly to Sacramento to play UC Davis
3. Home against PSU
4. Fly and bus to NAU
5. open
6. Home against Cal Poly
7. Home against Eastern Washington
8. Fly to Sacramento to play Sac St
9. Home against Weber
10. Bus to Pocatello to play ISU
11. Home against Northern Colorado
12. Bus to Bozeman to play MSU

This year the Griz have 3 plane trips this year in their schedule and the closest bus trip is to MSU which is 200 miles. Little different travel cost to which home games are used to pay for. I would love for the Griz to schedule Washington St but I don't think, with the condition of their program, they will even consider the Griz. The Griz have won 4 in a row against Idaho, possibly Colorado or CSU but who knows what main hall will want to do in the future

[Col Hogan]

Some have said that you leave the money out and Montana could schedule better OOC teams. Lets look at this year.

1. Home against Western St
2. Fly to Sacramento to play UC Davis
3. Home against PSU
4. Fly and bus to NAU
5. open
6. Home against Cal Poly
7. Home against Eastern Washington
8. Fly to Sacramento to play Sac St
9. Home against Weber
10. Bus to Pocatello to play ISU
11. Home against Northern Colorado
12. Bus to Bozeman to play MSU

This year the Griz have 3 plane trips this year in their schedule and the closest bus trip is to MSU which is 200 miles. Little different travel cost to which home games are used to pay for. I would love for the Griz to schedule Washington St but I don't think, with the condition of their program, they will even consider the Griz. The Griz have won 4 in a row against Idaho, possibly Colorado or CSU but who knows what main hall will want to do in the future

Since you make $750K (not my #, but a Griz supporters #) a home game, why are you even worried about flying costs???

See, if $$$ is a factor (low attendance, poor facilities) that's one thing...we all know the Griz have outstanding facilities and attendance...

So, either stop pissing and moaning about the distance....we all understand that one...

Or stop telling us how much money you make for each home game and take the grief you get about a weak OOC...

You can't have everything...

[BDKJMU]

Top to bottom, the MWC is far superior to the ACC and Big East.

When is the last time the MAC or Sunbelt, or even C-USA had a team in a BCS bowl? MWC and WAC do so regularly.

FSU, not one of the 4 ranked ACC teams, just laid a beatdown on the road on overrated BYU 54-28.

Utah lost to Oregon.

MWC = overrated. Maybe they'll now shut up about not having a BCS autobid.

[BlueHen86]

I like the Big East, and I agree with you. The current FBS system sucks. There is no way that the ACC and Big East deserve automatics BCS bids.

I'd agree the Big East doesn't deserve a bid- only one of 8 teams ranked right now. But the ACC does have 4 ranked teams. I'd like to see them take it away from every league that doesn't have a championship game- the Big East, Big 10, and Pac-10. Those teams have an advantage having to play 12 games as opposed to 13 before their BCS Bowl game. Give it to the winner of the SEC, the Big 12, ACC and 7 at large teams. Tell the Big 10, Pac 10 and Big east if they want a BCS bid then add a couple more teams and have a league championship game. Heck, the WAC and MWC winners could have a championship game for a BCS bid. This will never happen though...

Not good enough. The highest is ranked 13 right now. The BCS should be for the top 10.

Instead of trying to fix the BCS, they should get rid of it all together. The fairest solution is a 16 team playoff, with every FBS getting an autobid and 5 at large bids.

An 8 team playoff would also be okay, but no conference should have an autobid. Take the top 8, regardless of conference affiliation.