CAA 4 - FBS 4

[89Hen]

It is better to beat a Mid-level BCS team then to get beat by a top level BCS team.

I agree. I'd rather beat Temple or Navy than lose at Florida. I'd rather beat West Chester than lose at Florida.

All anyone needs to know. Losing to Florida? Anyone can do that.

Catmom, I don't think anyone will debate that AppSt's win over Michigan was the single best I-A victory by a I-AA (I still keep the copy of SI in my desk drawer just to smile once in a while). BUT, to say ChuckSo played Florida, or somebody almost beat somebody or that TxSt will compete with TCU is silly. A loss is a loss. A game that hasn't even been played yet can come back to bite you in the arse.

So far the Big Sky is 0-10 vs. I-A competition with an average score of 43-9 (thanks in part to Weber keeping their games close). Those are paydays. Nothing more. I'd much rather get paid and have a chance of winning.

[AZGrizFan]

I agree. I'd rather beat Temple or Navy than lose at Florida. I'd rather beat West Chester than lose at Florida.

All anyone needs to know. Losing to Florida? Anyone can do that.

Catmom, I don't think anyone will debate that AppSt's win over Michigan was the single best I-A victory by a I-AA (I still keep the copy of SI in my desk drawer just to smile once in a while). BUT, to say ChuckSo played Florida, or somebody almost beat somebody or that TxSt will compete with TCU is silly. A loss is a loss. A game that hasn't even been played yet can come back to bite you in the arse.

So far the Big Sky is 0-10 vs. I-A competition with an average score of 43-9 (thanks in part to Weber keeping their games close). Those are paydays. Nothing more. I'd much rather get paid and have a chance of winning.

The question becomes, HOW MUCH MONEY DOES YOUR PROGRAM NEED? If $200,000 is enough, you play a Temple or a Duke. If you need $500,000-$600,000, you play an Oklahoma or an Arizona State.

It all comes back to the almighty dollar.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Maine has taken on Mississippi State, Boston College, Nebraska, UConn, and Iowa during the past 5 seasons And has Syracuse (2009), Syracuse (2010) and Pitt (2011) coming up.........is that good enough for you?

Syracuse

When's the last time they had a legitimate team? J/k dude, Pitt is legit, I don't know when you played Miss St, BC, or Braska, but those are tough teams for any FCS opponent. I'd love to see you guys pound the crap out of Paulus this year.

... and to the other uneducated, drive through diploma grasping EWU fan on this board, plenty of CAA teams have played these "powerhouse" FBS teams you speak of. I recall a couple JMU games vs Virginia Tech and West Virginia... obviously we lost vs these top 10 teams, but the fact is we scheduled them and got blown out just as bad as you guys did against a Cal team... well maybe not as bad, but pretty close.

Exactly my point dumbass. If our administration had a plethora of bottom-feeder FBS teams out West here, we'd be doing the same thing and have a pretty decent record against them. The fact is, there aren't a lot of those teams out here, especially ones willing to play us. Add to that the money issue, and EWU is forced to play teams like Cal, Texas Tech and BYU. Our average paycheck from those games is about $400,000.

[JMU DJ]

Exactly my point dumbass. If our administration had a plethora of bottom-feeder FBS teams out West here, we'd be doing the same thing and have a pretty decent record against them. The fact is, there aren't a lot of those teams out here, especially ones willing to play us. Add to that the money issue, and EWU is forced to play teams like Cal, Texas Tech and BYU. Our average paycheck from those games is about $400,000.

I don't know what you're talking about, there are plenty of "bottom feeder" teams out there on the west coast... in fact, you guys have played a couple of them in the past decade. So don't give me this "pity us" deal.

[AZGrizFan]

So far the Big Sky is 0-10 vs. I-A competition with an average score of 43-9 (thanks in part to Weber keeping their games close). Those are paydays. Nothing more. I'd much rather get paid and have a chance of winning.

Big Sky games are against:

#10 Cal (loss, 59-7)
ASU (loss, 50-3)
#13 Oklahoma (loss, 64-0)
Michigan State (loss, 44-3)
Arizona (loss, 34-17)
#6 Mississippi (TBD)
#25 Kansas (loss, 25-3)
Oregon State (loss, 34-7)
UNLV (loss, 38-3)
Wyoming (loss, 29-22)
Colorado State (loss, 23-22)

So, I see 10 losses, yes. But against 4 Pac-10 teams (1 ranked), 2 Big 12 teams (both ranked in top 25) 3 MWC teams (albeit the bottom feeders) and 1 SEC team (ranked).

CAA has:

Maryland (loss, 38-35)
Kansas State (loss, 21-17)
Ball State (win, 23-16)
Boston College (loss, 54-0)
Duke (win, 24-16)
Northwestern (loss, 47-14)
Temple (win, 27-24)
Virginia (win, 26-14)

So, that's 4 wins, and 4 losses, but 2 wins against MAC powerhouses Ball State and Temple, and 2 wins against ACC powerhouses Virgina and Duke. So, it appears that when a CAA team wants a REAL payday, it schedules a tougher team (BC, Kansas, Northwestern). When it wants a chance to win, with significantly less money, they schedule a bottom feeder patsie. No thanks, I'd rather not see Idaho, Utah State or New Mexico State on the schedule. Now, I wouldn't mind seeing Wyoming as a rivalry, but UM really doesn't need the money from Boise State, BYU, Utah or a Pac-10 team.

[AZGrizFan]

Exactly my point dumbass. If our administration had a plethora of bottom-feeder FBS teams out West here, we'd be doing the same thing and have a pretty decent record against them. The fact is, there aren't a lot of those teams out here, especially ones willing to play us. Add to that the money issue, and EWU is forced to play teams like Cal, Texas Tech and BYU. Our average paycheck from those games is about $400,000.

I don't know what you're talking about, there are plenty of "bottom feeder" teams out there on the west coast... in fact, you guys have played a couple of them in the past decade. So don't give me this "pity us" deal.

Plenty? I count less than 15 "bottom feeder" within 1200 miles of Montana. There's probably 50 within 200 miles of JMU.

[yorkcountyUNHfan]

So far the Big Sky is 0-10 vs. I-A competition with an average score of 43-9 (thanks in part to Weber keeping their games close). Those are paydays. Nothing more. I'd much rather get paid and have a chance of winning.

Big Sky games are against:

#10 Cal (loss, 59-7)
ASU (loss, 50-3)
#13 Oklahoma (loss, 64-0)
Michigan State (loss, 44-3)
Arizona (loss, 34-17)
#6 Mississippi (TBD)
#25 Kansas (loss, 25-3)
Oregon State (loss, 34-7)
UNLV (loss, 38-3)
Wyoming (loss, 29-22)
Colorado State (loss, 23-22)

So, I see 10 losses, yes. But against 4 Pac-10 teams (1 ranked), 2 Big 12 teams (both ranked in top 25) 3 MWC teams (albeit the bottom feeders) and 1 SEC team (ranked).

CAA has:

Maryland (loss, 38-35)
Kansas State (loss, 21-17)
Ball State (win, 23-16)
Boston College (loss, 54-0)
Duke (win, 24-16)
Northwestern (loss, 47-14)
Temple (win, 27-24)
Virginia (win, 26-14)

So, that's 4 wins, and 4 losses, but 2 wins against MAC powerhouses Ball State and Temple, and 2 wins against ACC powerhouses Virgina and Duke. So, it appears that when a CAA team wants a REAL payday, it schedules a tougher team (BC, Kansas, Northwestern). When it wants a chance to win, with significantly less money, they schedule a bottom feeder patsie. No thanks, I'd rather not see Idaho, Utah State or New Mexico State on the schedule. Now, I wouldn't mind seeing Wyoming as a rivalry, but UM really doesn't need the money from Boise State, BYU, Utah or a Pac-10 team.

Will play BC soon- beat Northwestern

[BlueHen86]

All anyone needs to know. Losing to Florida? Anyone can do that.

Catmom, I don't think anyone will debate that AppSt's win over Michigan was the single best I-A victory by a I-AA (I still keep the copy of SI in my desk drawer just to smile once in a while). BUT, to say ChuckSo played Florida, or somebody almost beat somebody or that TxSt will compete with TCU is silly. A loss is a loss. A game that hasn't even been played yet can come back to bite you in the arse.

So far the Big Sky is 0-10 vs. I-A competition with an average score of 43-9 (thanks in part to Weber keeping their games close). Those are paydays. Nothing more. I'd much rather get paid and have a chance of winning.

The question becomes, HOW MUCH MONEY DOES YOUR PROGRAM NEED? If $200,000 is enough, you play a Temple or a Duke. If you need $500,000-$600,000, you play an Oklahoma or an Arizona State.

It all comes back to the almighty dollar.

I agree with you 100% on this. UD doesn't as much money as some other programs, and it doesn't need to upgrade its' schedule, so they play Navy and Maryland instead of Florida.

[JMU DJ]

Plenty? I count less than 15 "bottom feeder" within 1200 miles of Montana. There's probably 50 within 200 miles of JMU.

Well you guys pretty much have the entire MWC, WAC, a number of PAC-10 teams.... and are we talking about geography too? Cuz you can travel too, much like UMass did to play K-St or how EWU did to play UConn a while back. Everybody travels now, except for Montana . Your fellow Big Sky brother was criticizing the CAA for not scheduling top tier BCS teams and "squeaking" by on bottom feeders and complaining how you don't have any out there to play... I was pointing out how the CAA does schedule top teams and how you do have bottom feeders within the distances for which you would normally travel during a season.

[BlueHen86]

Let's face it...anything the CAA teams do and anything CAA fans say is subject to (Insert reaction here)...

The conference consistantly has a rep in either the semis or NC game...while other conferences consistantly send the same team...or none at all...

People either love or hate teams from the (insert winning conference here)...it goes with the territory...

Colonel, I'm happy for the CAA. I was cheering for them in each and every one of their games with FBS opponents. Every win against an FBS team is good for the the school, the conference and all of FCS. I do however get tired when someone (and I know you don't) uses wins against FBS opponents to trot out a we're better than you, na na na na argument (i.e. we're 4-4 everyone else is 0-38). It's crap like that that makes me want to cheer for the FBS school in those match-ups. Have some class, be proud of the victories and don't rub it in to the schools that didn't get over the hump this year.

I hope you don't mean me. I started the thread to put an end to the CAA North vs CAA South argument (as I clearly stated in my fisrt post). I never brag that the CAA is better than anyone else* and although I pointed out the 4-4 record vs. FBS, I didn't mention any other conferences record.

I think any FBS win over and FCS team is a nice win fao all of FCS, the more the better. I think it sucks that some people have to qualify it, as if only playing top 10 or top 17 FBS schools is what counts. App St. over Michigan isn't going to happen very often.

*-I will occasionally comment on how the CAA is the greatest thing ever, but that is all tongue-in-cheek and I hope it comes across that way.

[UNI88]

Colonel, I'm happy for the CAA. I was cheering for them in each and every one of their games with FBS opponents. Every win against an FBS team is good for the the school, the conference and all of FCS. I do however get tired when someone (and I know you don't) uses wins against FBS opponents to trot out a we're better than you, na na na na argument (i.e. we're 4-4 everyone else is 0-38). It's crap like that that makes me want to cheer for the FBS school in those match-ups. Have some class, be proud of the victories and don't rub it in to the schools that didn't get over the hump this year.

I hope you don't mean me. I started the thread to put an end to the CAA North vs CAA South argument (as I clearly stated in my fisrt post). I never brag that the CAA is better than anyone else* and although I pointed out the 4-4 record vs. FBS, I didn't mention any other conferences record.

I think any FBS win over and FCS team is a nice win fao all of FCS, the more the better. I think it sucks that some people have to qualify it, as if only playing top 10 or top 17 FBS schools is what counts. App St. over Michigan isn't going to happen very often.

*-I will occasionally comment on how the CAA is the greatest thing ever, but that is all tongue-in-cheek and I hope it comes across that way.

BH, I didn't mean you. IMO, you're a great poster who cheers for his team, his conference and all of FCS. I also liked the original purpose of this thread, the CAA North and South shouldn't be taking shots at each other over FBS wins. A win over an FBS school is good for all of FCS and fortunately they're happening more and more frequently. This year the CAA has a number of wins, in the future it could be the Big Sky, MVFC or SoCon.

[BlueHen86]

I hope you don't mean me. I started the thread to put an end to the CAA North vs CAA South argument (as I clearly stated in my fisrt post). I never brag that the CAA is better than anyone else* and although I pointed out the 4-4 record vs. FBS, I didn't mention any other conferences record.

I think any FBS win over and FCS team is a nice win fao all of FCS, the more the better. I think it sucks that some people have to qualify it, as if only playing top 10 or top 17 FBS schools is what counts. App St. over Michigan isn't going to happen very often.

*-I will occasionally comment on how the CAA is the greatest thing ever, but that is all tongue-in-cheek and I hope it comes across that way.

BH, I didn't mean you. IMO, you're a great poster who cheers for his team, his conference and all of FCS. I also liked the original purpose of this thread, the CAA North and South shouldn't be taking shots at each other over FBS wins. A win over an FBS school is good for all of FCS and fortunately they're happening more and more frequently. This year the CAA has a number of wins, in the future it could be the Big Sky, MVFC or SoCon.

Thanks.

And you are right. Even though the CAA is hot right now. In the future any of the conferences you mentioned could be the best.

[AZGrizFan]

Plenty? I count less than 15 "bottom feeder" within 1200 miles of Montana. There's probably 50 within 200 miles of JMU.

Well you guys pretty much have the entire MWC, WAC, a number of PAC-10 teams.... and are we talking about geography too? Cuz you can travel too, much like UMass did to play K-St or how EWU did to play UConn a while back. Everybody travels now, except for Montana . Your fellow Big Sky brother was criticizing the CAA for not scheduling top tier BCS teams and "squeaking" by on bottom feeders and complaining how you don't have any out there to play... I was pointing out how the CAA does schedule top teams and how you do have bottom feeders within the distances for which you would normally travel during a season.

3 of 8 and 3 of 10 in the MWC and Pac-10 are ranked, and the other are NOWHERE near the level of Temple, Duke, or Ball State. I'll give you most of the WAC (outside of Boise State), but I know you're smarter than that. We travel more miles in 2 road games than JMU does all YEAR. And that INCLUDES your trip to K-State. Our travel budget is already shot. And I already pointed out that you "schedule" top teams, but you don't BEAT top teams....you just get a bigger payday. You beat the patsies, but they don't pay enough for us to go there. There are more bottom feeders in the MAC and C-USA alone than there are West of the Mississippi. Any other facts you'd like?

[dbackjon]

Top to bottom, the MWC is far superior to the ACC and Big East.

When is the last time the MAC or Sunbelt, or even C-USA had a team in a BCS bowl? MWC and WAC do so regularly.

[BlueHen86]

Top to bottom, the MWC is far superior to the ACC and Big East.

When is the last time the MAC or Sunbelt, or even C-USA had a team in a BCS bowl? MWC and WAC do so regularly.

I like the Big East, and I agree with you. The current FBS system sucks. There is no way that the ACC and Big East deserve automatics BCS bids.

[JMU DJ]

Should have included, I'm aware that there are more FBS schools on the east coast... more of a selection. There are also more FCS teams over here, more teams for the FBS schools to pick from. Yes I'm also aware of your isolation out in MT, fact still is, there are teams within your normal traveling radius you could easily play ... every Big Sky school has to travel as much as you.

[UNI88]

Well you guys pretty much have the entire MWC, WAC, a number of PAC-10 teams.... and are we talking about geography too? Cuz you can travel too, much like UMass did to play K-St or how EWU did to play UConn a while back. Everybody travels now, except for Montana . Your fellow Big Sky brother was criticizing the CAA for not scheduling top tier BCS teams and "squeaking" by on bottom feeders and complaining how you don't have any out there to play... I was pointing out how the CAA does schedule top teams and how you do have bottom feeders within the distances for which you would normally travel during a season.

3 of 8 and 3 of 10 in the MWC and Pac-10 are ranked, and the other are NOWHERE near the level of Temple, Duke, or Ball State. I'll give you most of the WAC (outside of Boise State), but I know you're smarter than that. We travel more miles in 2 road games than JMU does all YEAR. And that INCLUDES your trip to K-State. Our travel budget is already shot. And I already pointed out that you "schedule" top teams, but you don't BEAT top teams....you just get a bigger payday. You beat the patsies, but they don't pay enough for us to go there. There are more bottom feeders in the MAC and C-USA alone than there are West of the Mississippi. Any other facts you'd like?

Would you like a pacifier? Stop whining about how your situation forces Montana to play who they play. They choose to play the schedule they play. They could travel to MWC or WAC schools and they could travel to the east coast but they choose not to. I don't blame them for that choice because I understand that they make more $ on a home game than they would by traveling but it is still a choice.

And for the record, by my count 5 of 12 schools in C-USA are west of the Mississippi.

[weberwildcat]

[quote="BlueHen86"]If there is one thing I hate more than arguing whether the CAA is better than every other FCS conference, it's agruing whether the CAA North is better than the CAA South, so I'll try an put an end to the CAA North vs South pettiness.

Every CAA team plays 1 FBS this year - all on the road.

So Far:
Richmond 24 Duke 16
Northeastern 0 Boston College 54
[color=#0000FF][size=150]Umass 21 Kansas St 21[/size][/color]
Villanova 27 Temple 24
W & M 26 Virginia 14
Towson 14 Northwestern 47
JMU 35 Maryland 38 OT
UNH 23 Ball St 16

4-4 vs FBS is not bad.

Games left:
Maine @ Syracuse 9/26
URI @ UConn 9/26
Hofstra @ Western Michigan 9/26
Delaware @ Navy 11/14[/quote]


UMass didn't tie K-State. Or did they?

[BlueHen86]

If there is one thing I hate more than arguing whether the CAA is better than every other FCS conference, it's agruing whether the CAA North is better than the CAA South, so I'll try an put an end to the CAA North vs South pettiness.

Every CAA team plays 1 FBS this year - all on the road.

So Far:
Richmond 24 Duke 16
Northeastern 0 Boston College 54
Umass 21 Kansas St 21
Villanova 27 Temple 24
W & M 26 Virginia 14
Towson 14 Northwestern 47
JMU 35 Maryland 38 OT
UNH 23 Ball St 16

4-4 vs FBS is not bad.

Games left:
Maine @ Syracuse 9/26
URI @ UConn 9/26
Hofstra @ Western Michigan 9/26
Delaware @ Navy 11/14

UMass didn't tie K-State. Or did they?

Good catch - funny that nobody noticed it earler. K. State won 21 - 17.

[AZGrizFan]

3 of 8 and 3 of 10 in the MWC and Pac-10 are ranked, and the other are NOWHERE near the level of Temple, Duke, or Ball State. I'll give you most of the WAC (outside of Boise State), but I know you're smarter than that. We travel more miles in 2 road games than JMU does all YEAR. And that INCLUDES your trip to K-State. Our travel budget is already shot. And I already pointed out that you "schedule" top teams, but you don't BEAT top teams....you just get a bigger payday. You beat the patsies, but they don't pay enough for us to go there. There are more bottom feeders in the MAC and C-USA alone than there are West of the Mississippi. Any other facts you'd like?

Would you like a pacifier? Stop whining about how your situation forces Montana to play who they play. They choose to play the schedule they play. They could travel to MWC or WAC schools and they could travel to the east coast but they choose not to. I don't blame them for that choice because I understand that they make more $ on a home game than they would by traveling but it is still a choice.

And for the record, by my count 5 of 12 schools in C-USA are west of the Mississippi.

I will never understand how facts comes across as "whining". We play who we play because it makes the most money for the program. Just like CAA schools. You need a payday, you play BCS powers (and get blown out). You want a chance to win, you give up the big paycheck and hop on a bus to go play the West coast equivalent of Idaho. We COULD travel to MWC or WAC schools but we make more money on a home game against Western State of Colorado. It's not whining, it's FACT. Deal with it.

[AZGrizFan]

Should have included, I'm aware that there are more FBS schools on the east coast... more of a selection. There are also more FCS teams over here, more teams for the FBS schools to pick from. Yes I'm also aware of your isolation out in MT, fact still is, there are teams within your normal traveling radius you could easily play ... every Big Sky school has to travel as much as you.

Choice A: Get on a bus, take the 4 1/2 hour road trip to Moscow, Idaho, beat up the hapless Vandals for a $50,000 payday (which actually LOSES the school money becuase of travel expenses)

or

Choice B: Schedule D-II patsie Western State of Colorado and have ZERO travel expenses and put $750,000 into the school coffers.


Yeah, that's a tough one.

[JMU DJ]

Should have included, I'm aware that there are more FBS schools on the east coast... more of a selection. There are also more FCS teams over here, more teams for the FBS schools to pick from. Yes I'm also aware of your isolation out in MT, fact still is, there are teams within your normal traveling radius you could easily play ... every Big Sky school has to travel as much as you.

Choice A: Get on a bus, take the 4 1/2 hour road trip to Moscow, Idaho, beat up the hapless Vandals for a $50,000 payday (which actually LOSES the school money becuase of travel expenses)

or

Choice B: Schedule D-II patsie Western State of Colorado and have ZERO travel expenses and put $750,000 into the school coffers.


Yeah, that's a tough one.

Not talking about money here... I know you guys make a bunch off your home games (other Big Sky schools don't). All my comments have been in reference to the fact that you guys do have FBS teams you can play... which ScreaminEagle was saying you guys didn't. In your case, not economical, which has been discussed about every other week on this or other boards. For the other Big Sky schools, the payday is worth it. Usually 200-300k for playing "bottom tier" teams helps. Keep on spinning your story though, that's what you Conks are best at

[Col Hogan]

Should have included, I'm aware that there are more FBS schools on the east coast... more of a selection. There are also more FCS teams over here, more teams for the FBS schools to pick from. Yes I'm also aware of your isolation out in MT, fact still is, there are teams within your normal traveling radius you could easily play ... every Big Sky school has to travel as much as you.

Choice A: Get on a bus, take the 4 1/2 hour road trip to Moscow, Idaho, beat up the hapless Vandals for a $50,000 payday (which actually LOSES the school money becuase of travel expenses)

or

Choice B: Schedule D-II patsie Western State of Colorado and have ZERO travel expenses and put $750,000 into the school coffers.


Yeah, that's a tough one.

I get the $$$$ reason...I'm good with that...it's a business decision...

So, why all the grief if someone calls your schedule "soft"...

And why the constant reminder about how far you have to travel...you don't have to travel because your school has placed $$$$ over schedule...a legitimate decision with attendent issues...

[UNI88]

Choice A: Get on a bus, take the 4 1/2 hour road trip to Moscow, Idaho, beat up the hapless Vandals for a $50,000 payday (which actually LOSES the school money becuase of travel expenses)

or

Choice B: Schedule D-II patsie Western State of Colorado and have ZERO travel expenses and put $750,000 into the school coffers.


Yeah, that's a tough one.

I get the $$$$ reason...I'm good with that...it's a business decision...

So, why all the grief if someone calls your schedule "soft"...

And why the constant reminder about how far you have to travel...you don't have to travel because your school has placed $$$$ over schedule...a legitimate decision with attendent issues...

My position exactly. I get why Montana schedules who they schedule and don't blame them for it. But when someone ridicules the Griz schedule as soft don't get all bent out of shape with the we can't schedule tougher games because of travel considerations. You don't schedule as many tougher games (travel or home & homes) as you could because you make more $$$$ off of bringing cupcakes to WaGriz. You play Cal Poly and UC Davis occasionally and have a tough enough conference to make the playoffs with an 8-3 or better record. Your schedule is fine, just ignore the yo-yo's that ridicule it.

And stop complaining about travel considerations. You live in God's country and part of the reason you like is because it isn't as crowded. The flip side to it being less crowded is that there aren't as many schools nearby so you have to travel a long way for a game. You can't have it both ways - fewer people and lots of schools nearby. You want more schools, you need more people; you want more people, just invite more Californians.

[wideright82]

Things I've Learned from this thread:

1) The CAA is the best. Hands down.

2) For some reason there are people out there who like losing more than winning so long as there is a fat paycheck.

3) The people from number 2 are losers in all aspects.

4) AZGrizfan forgot that he lives in Arizona

5) JMUDJ forgot that he is jewish

6) UNI88 hates BlueHen86

7) Appalachian State is the best team in the country

8) Weberwildcat missed the seminar on quoting people

9) Col Hogan is a man amongst boys

10) 89Hen fan came over today

11) The poliwing closed on AGS today

12) ScreaminEagle is mean

13) UNH plays BC and beat NorthWestern (THANKS YCUNHFan!)

6b) and whining

5c) Jews are a tricky lot