Shooting at WHCD, Trump rushed off stage

[UNI88]

You call people unhinged, radical extremists and then you're upset and feign surprise when they react?

The issue is it's people you and Klamdami support. Maybe you should get your extremist glass house in order before pitching rocks.

The irony (i.e. hypocrisy) of someone who is so brainwashed by the Qult that they defended/deflected for the January 6 seditious rioters claiming that I should "get my extremist glass house in order before pitching rocks".

I could follow the MAQA yahoo approach and argue that since the only person who was shot was wearing a bulletproof vest that the incident was "mostly peaceful" and therefore no big deal.

Or I could be a rational and reasonable human being and condemn this attempted attack.

I choose to condemn it. That doesn't mean that I'm not going to mock trump and MAQA yahoos for their hypocrisy.

It will probably be difficult to overcome the Qult programming but you should give being rational and reasonable a try.

[Baldy]

The don house minority leader last week literally calling for Civil War. He wants maximum warfare. Someone should oblige.

You call people unhinged, radical extremists and then you're upset and feign surprise when they react?

Since all the bullets are flying one way. The shoe obviously fits.

Interesting sign outside the Hilton Hotel last night.

[UNI88]

You call people unhinged, radical extremists and then you're upset and feign surprise when they react?

Since all the bullets are flying one way. The shoe obviously fits.

Interesting sign outside the Hilton Hotel last night.

Tell that to Rep. Melissa Hortman, Senator John Hoffman and their spouses.

From Claude ...

Rightwing political violence this century:

• 2008 — Jim David Adkisson opened fire in a Unitarian Universalist church in Knoxville, Tennessee, killing 2, motivated by hatred of liberals
• 2009 — Richard Poplawski ambushed and killed 3 Pittsburgh police officers, fearing Obama would confiscate guns
• 2009 — Scott Roeder assassinated abortion provider Dr. George Tiller in his church in Wichita, Kansas (anti-abortion extremism)
• 2010 — Joseph Stack flew a small plane into an IRS building in Austin, Texas, killing himself and one other (anti-government)
• 2012 — Wade Page (already listed), but also several Sovereign Citizen-related killings of police officers throughout the 2010s
• 2012 — Wade Michael Page, a white supremacist, killed 6 people at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin
• 2014 — Frazier Glenn Miller, a neo-Nazi, killed 3 at Jewish community sites in Overland Park, Kansas
• 2014 — Jerad and Amanda Miller killed 2 Las Vegas police officers and a bystander, inspired by anti-government extremism
• 2015 — Dylann Roof killed 9 Black parishioners at Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, South Carolina (white supremacist)
• 2017 — James Alex Fields drove a car into counter-protesters at the Charlottesville "Unite the Right" rally, killing 1 and injuring dozens
• 2018 — Robert Bowers killed 11 worshippers at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh (antisemitic white nationalist)
• 2019 — Patrick Crusius killed 23 people at an El Paso Walmart, targeting Latinos in an anti-immigrant attack
• 2021 — January 6 Capitol attack: the U.S. government brought charges against over 1,000 individuals, including many leaders of groups like the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys.
• 2025 — A right-wing gunman assassinated Minnesota state legislator Melissa Hortman and her husband, and shot state senator John Hoffman and his wife

Leftwing political violence this century:

• 2016 — Micah Xavier Johnson, motivated by anger over police killings of Black men, killed 5 Dallas police officers in a sniper attack
• 2017 — James Hodgkinson, a left-wing activist, opened fire on Republican members of Congress at a baseball practice in Virginia, severely wounding Rep. Steve Scalise
• 2020 — Willem Van Spronsen attacked an ICE detention facility in Tacoma, Washington with incendiary devices before being shot by police
• 2020 — Michael Forest Reinoehl, affiliated with antifa, shot and killed a right-wing activist in Portland during protest unrest
• 2020 — During George Floyd protests, scattered violence including arson and attacks on police.
• 2024 — Luigi Mangione assassinated UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in New York City (anti-corporate motivation)
• 2025 — Arson at Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro's residence
• 2025 — Killing of two Israeli embassy staffers in Washington, D.C. in May
• 2025 — Assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk in September.
• 2025 — Fatal ambush targeting National Guard members in Washington, D.C. in November
• 2026 — Assassination attempt on trump and members of his Qabinet

MAQA yahoos want to focus on 2025 forward and pretend that 2000-2024 is ancient history. It isn't.

[SeattleGriz]

The issue is it's people you and Klamdami support. Maybe you should get your extremist glass house in order before pitching rocks.

The irony (i.e. hypocrisy) of someone who is so brainwashed by the Qult that they defended/deflected for the January 6 seditious rioters claiming that I should "get my extremist glass house in order before pitching rocks".

I could follow the MAQA yahoo approach and argue that since the only person who was shot was wearing a bulletproof vest that the incident was "mostly peaceful" and therefore no big deal.

Or I could be a rational and reasonable human being and condemn this attempted attack.

I choose to condemn it. That doesn't mean that I'm not going to mock trump and MAQA yahoos for their hypocrisy.

It will probably be difficult to overcome the Qult programming but you should give being rational and reasonable a try.

You should condemn it AND stop acting like you don't know what is going on. That would be a good start.

[kalm]

The irony (i.e. hypocrisy) of someone who is so brainwashed by the Qult that they defended/deflected for the January 6 seditious rioters claiming that I should "get my extremist glass house in order before pitching rocks".

I could follow the MAQA yahoo approach and argue that since the only person who was shot was wearing a bulletproof vest that the incident was "mostly peaceful" and therefore no big deal.

Or I could be a rational and reasonable human being and condemn this attempted attack.

I choose to condemn it. That doesn't mean that I'm not going to mock trump and MAQA yahoos for their hypocrisy.

It will probably be difficult to overcome the Qult programming but you should give being rational and reasonable a try.

You should condemn it AND stop acting like you don't know what is going on. That would be a good start.

Like this stuff going on?

Trump to Democratic governors, “I wish them only the worst. May they rot in hell..”

“Merry Christmas to all, including the radical left scum that is doing everything to destroy our country.”

Trump called protesters “animals”and “enemies.”

Trump called immigrants “not people,” “snakes” and “garbage.”

“The radical left is responsible for all the terrorism.”

Trump called for execution level punishment of his political opponents.

Oh and let’s not forget him depicting the Obama’s as apes.

Sadly, these are only a few of Trump’s hateful, politically violent rhetoric

[UNI88]

The irony (i.e. hypocrisy) of someone who is so brainwashed by the Qult that they defended/deflected for the January 6 seditious rioters claiming that I should "get my extremist glass house in order before pitching rocks".

I could follow the MAQA yahoo approach and argue that since the only person who was shot was wearing a bulletproof vest that the incident was "mostly peaceful" and therefore no big deal.

Or I could be a rational and reasonable human being and condemn this attempted attack.

I choose to condemn it. That doesn't mean that I'm not going to mock trump and MAQA yahoos for their hypocrisy.

It will probably be difficult to overcome the Qult programming but you should give being rational and reasonable a try.

You should condemn it AND stop acting like you don't know what is going on. That would be a good start.

What is really going on or what conspiracy addled MAQA yahoos believe is going on based on biased crap they read in their echo chambers?

Maybe you should have condemned January 6 and the murder of Melissa Hortman rather than defending/deflecting or ignoring it.

[BDKJMU]

Unhinged Liberals are showing us who they are.

Ok, Matt Walsh.

The first person to allegedly take a shot at Trump was a registered Republican.

There wasn’t any ‘allegedly’ about it unless you believe the Cooks wasn’t the real shooter.

Who donated to the ‘Progressive Turnout Project’, and ActBlue, but go ahead and believe Cooks was a conk.

Kalm..

[BDKJMU]

Since all the bullets are flying one way. The shoe obviously fits.

Interesting sign outside the Hilton Hotel last night.

Tell that to Rep. Melissa Hortman, Senator John Hoffman and their spouses.

From Claude ...

Rightwing political violence this century:

• 2008 — Jim David Adkisson opened fire in a Unitarian Universalist church in Knoxville, Tennessee, killing 2, motivated by hatred of liberals
• 2009 — Richard Poplawski ambushed and killed 3 Pittsburgh police officers, fearing Obama would confiscate guns
• 2009 — Scott Roeder assassinated abortion provider Dr. George Tiller in his church in Wichita, Kansas (anti-abortion extremism)
• 2010 — Joseph Stack flew a small plane into an IRS building in Austin, Texas, killing himself and one other (anti-government)
• 2012 — Wade Page (already listed), but also several Sovereign Citizen-related killings of police officers throughout the 2010s
• 2012 — Wade Michael Page, a white supremacist, killed 6 people at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin
• 2014 — Frazier Glenn Miller, a neo-Nazi, killed 3 at Jewish community sites in Overland Park, Kansas
• 2014 — Jerad and Amanda Miller killed 2 Las Vegas police officers and a bystander, inspired by anti-government extremism
• 2015 — Dylann Roof killed 9 Black parishioners at Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, South Carolina (white supremacist)
• 2017 — James Alex Fields drove a car into counter-protesters at the Charlottesville "Unite the Right" rally, killing 1 and injuring dozens
• 2018 — Robert Bowers killed 11 worshippers at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh (antisemitic white nationalist)
• 2019 — Patrick Crusius killed 23 people at an El Paso Walmart, targeting Latinos in an anti-immigrant attack
• 2021 — January 6 Capitol attack: the U.S. government brought charges against over 1,000 individuals, including many leaders of groups like the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys.
• 2025 — A right-wing gunman assassinated Minnesota state legislator Melissa Hortman and her husband, and shot state senator John Hoffman and his wife

Leftwing political violence this century:

• 2016 — Micah Xavier Johnson, motivated by anger over police killings of Black men, killed 5 Dallas police officers in a sniper attack
• 2017 — James Hodgkinson, a left-wing activist, opened fire on Republican members of Congress at a baseball practice in Virginia, severely wounding Rep. Steve Scalise
• 2020 — Willem Van Spronsen attacked an ICE detention facility in Tacoma, Washington with incendiary devices before being shot by police
• 2020 — Michael Forest Reinoehl, affiliated with antifa, shot and killed a right-wing activist in Portland during protest unrest
• 2020 — During George Floyd protests, scattered violence including arson and attacks on police.
• 2024 — Luigi Mangione assassinated UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in New York City (anti-corporate motivation)
• 2025 — Arson at Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro's residence
• 2025 — Killing of two Israeli embassy staffers in Washington, D.C. in May
• 2025 — Assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk in September.
• 2025 — Fatal ambush targeting National Guard members in Washington, D.C. in November
• 2026 — Assassination attempt on trump and members of his Qabinet

MAQA yahoos want to focus on 2025 forward and pretend that 2000-2024 is ancient history. It isn't.

Link?

Lol at J6 ‘attack’ when most were simple misdemeanor criminal trespass.

Just from the last yr and 3/4 your list ‘Leftwing political violence this century’ left off:
-2 attempts on Trump in 2024.
-Attack on Texas ICE facility
https://www.fox4news.com/news/north-tex ... al-verdict
-Plus all the Islamic domestic terrorism this century. That isn’t rightwing, and any terrorism from the ‘Free Palestine’ crowd is certainly leftwing.

So how many other instances of Leftwing violence has your biased list left off?

[BDKJMU]

Obama made the comment AFTER the manifesto had been publicly released. So anytime someone claims Obama is smart, this can be referred to as proof, that in fact, Obama is a moron.

[BDKJMU]

Fetterman is spot on.

[UNI88]

Tell that to Rep. Melissa Hortman, Senator John Hoffman and their spouses.

From Claude ...

Rightwing political violence this century:

• 2008 — Jim David Adkisson opened fire in a Unitarian Universalist church in Knoxville, Tennessee, killing 2, motivated by hatred of liberals
• 2009 — Richard Poplawski ambushed and killed 3 Pittsburgh police officers, fearing Obama would confiscate guns
• 2009 — Scott Roeder assassinated abortion provider Dr. George Tiller in his church in Wichita, Kansas (anti-abortion extremism)
• 2010 — Joseph Stack flew a small plane into an IRS building in Austin, Texas, killing himself and one other (anti-government)
• 2012 — Wade Page (already listed), but also several Sovereign Citizen-related killings of police officers throughout the 2010s
• 2012 — Wade Michael Page, a white supremacist, killed 6 people at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin
• 2014 — Frazier Glenn Miller, a neo-Nazi, killed 3 at Jewish community sites in Overland Park, Kansas
• 2014 — Jerad and Amanda Miller killed 2 Las Vegas police officers and a bystander, inspired by anti-government extremism
• 2015 — Dylann Roof killed 9 Black parishioners at Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, South Carolina (white supremacist)
• 2017 — James Alex Fields drove a car into counter-protesters at the Charlottesville "Unite the Right" rally, killing 1 and injuring dozens
• 2018 — Robert Bowers killed 11 worshippers at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh (antisemitic white nationalist)
• 2019 — Patrick Crusius killed 23 people at an El Paso Walmart, targeting Latinos in an anti-immigrant attack
• 2021 — January 6 Capitol attack: the U.S. government brought charges against over 1,000 individuals, including many leaders of groups like the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys.
• 2025 — A right-wing gunman assassinated Minnesota state legislator Melissa Hortman and her husband, and shot state senator John Hoffman and his wife

Leftwing political violence this century:

• 2016 — Micah Xavier Johnson, motivated by anger over police killings of Black men, killed 5 Dallas police officers in a sniper attack
• 2017 — James Hodgkinson, a left-wing activist, opened fire on Republican members of Congress at a baseball practice in Virginia, severely wounding Rep. Steve Scalise
• 2020 — Willem Van Spronsen attacked an ICE detention facility in Tacoma, Washington with incendiary devices before being shot by police
• 2020 — Michael Forest Reinoehl, affiliated with antifa, shot and killed a right-wing activist in Portland during protest unrest
• 2020 — During George Floyd protests, scattered violence including arson and attacks on police.
• 2024 — Luigi Mangione assassinated UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in New York City (anti-corporate motivation)
• 2025 — Arson at Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro's residence
• 2025 — Killing of two Israeli embassy staffers in Washington, D.C. in May
• 2025 — Assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk in September.
• 2025 — Fatal ambush targeting National Guard members in Washington, D.C. in November
• 2026 — Assassination attempt on trump and members of his Qabinet

MAQA yahoos want to focus on 2025 forward and pretend that 2000-2024 is ancient history. It isn't.

Link?

Lol at J6 ‘attack’ when most were simple misdemeanor criminal trespass.

Just from the last yr and 3/4 your list ‘Leftwing political violence this century’ left off:
-2 attempts on Trump in 2024.
-Attack on Texas ICE facility
https://www.fox4news.com/news/north-tex ... al-verdict
-Plus all the Islamic domestic terrorism this century. That isn’t rightwing, and any terrorism from the ‘Free Palestine’ crowd is certainly leftwing.

So how many other instances of Leftwing violence has your biased list left off?

Like I said, I used Claude.

The ideologies of the first two people who allegedly attempted to assassinate trump is questionable so they don't fit in either category. If trump's DOJ had evidence that they were leftwing, they would have released it a long time ago.

Islamic political violence is it's own category, it's neither left or right wing.

You're free to list any you feel I've missed.

[kalm]

Fetterman is spot on.

Man you’re really working hard to lay all the blame for political violence on donks.

[kalm]

[BDKJMU]

Link?

Lol at J6 ‘attack’ when most were simple misdemeanor criminal trespass.

Just from the last yr and 3/4 your list ‘Leftwing political violence this century’ left off:
-2 attempts on Trump in 2024.
-Attack on Texas ICE facility
https://www.fox4news.com/news/north-tex ... al-verdict
-Plus all the Islamic domestic terrorism this century. That isn’t rightwing, and any terrorism from the ‘Free Palestine’ crowd is certainly leftwing.

So how many other instances of Leftwing violence has your biased list left off?

Like I said, I used Claude.

The ideologies of the first two people who allegedly attempted to assassinate trump is questionable so they don't fit in either category. If trump's DOJ had evidence that they were leftwing, they would have released it a long time ago.

Islamic political violence is it's own category, it's neither left or right wing.

You're free to list any you feel I've missed.

‘Allegedly’
And if you believe they weren’t lefties..heck the 1st shooter was nonbinary which is Team Left.

So whoever the heck this moron Claude is left off:
-Trump 1st assassination attempt on Trump
-2nd assassination attempt on Trump
-Assassination attempt on Judge Kavanaugh. But let me guess, you’re going to claim the assassins political ideology isn’t clear?
-Murder of 3 Baton Rouge police officers in 2016.
-Minnesota School Shooter: Trans
-Nashville School Shooter: Trans
-Colorado Springs shooter: Nonbinary
-Aberdeen shooter: Trans
-Denver school shooter: Trans
-Iowa school shooter: Trans/genderfluid.
-ANTeefa attack on TX ICE facility that left 3 shot/1 dead, 9 ANTeefa convicted.
-Firebombing Washington ICE building.
-Murder of teen in N Dakota thought he was MAGA.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/north-dakota ... eopardized

[BDKJMU]

Nice cherry-picking from CATO going back to 1975. And the chart would look completely different if 9-11 wasn’t excluded (why should it be?), or just included the more relevant current time period of 2024-2026.

[BDKJMU]

Can give example after example after example after example of incendiary rhetoric from donks.

[kalm]

Can give example after example after example after example of incendiary rhetoric from donks.

You really don’t want to play this game. It won’t end well for you.

[BDKJMU]

Can give example after example after example after example of incendiary rhetoric from donks.

You really don’t want to play this game. It won’t end well for you.

I can play it all day long. Go ahead.

[kalm]

You really don’t want to play this game. It won’t end well for you.

I can play it all day long. Go ahead.

I can admit and denounce left wing violence. Can you do the same with the right? The evidence of which side has a greater propensity lies strongly (via research, studies, etc) with the right.

So let’s start gently.

[UNI88]

Like I said, I used Claude.

The ideologies of the first two people who allegedly attempted to assassinate trump is questionable so they don't fit in either category. If trump's DOJ had evidence that they were leftwing, they would have released it a long time ago.

Islamic political violence is it's own category, it's neither left or right wing.

You're free to list any you feel I've missed.

‘Allegedly’
And if you believe they weren’t lefties..heck the 1st shooter was nonbinary which is Team Left.

So whoever the heck this moron Claude is left off:
-Trump 1st assassination attempt on Trump (shooter nonbinary)
-2nd assassination attempt on Trump
-Assassination attempt on Judge Kavanaugh. But let me guess, you’re going to claim the assassins political ideology isn’t clear?
-Minnesota School Shooter: Trans
-Nashville School Shooter: Trans
-Colorado Springs shooter: Nonbinary
-Aberdeen shooter: Trans
-Denver school shooter: Trans
-Iowa school shooter: Trans/genderfluid

Then trump's DOJ should release the manifestos or other information for both of the first two. Until they do, it demonstrates their motives, their ideology is questionable.

Trans does NOT automatically equal leftwing. Trans school shooters could be lashing out at bullies or places where they were bullied.

The left still trails the right by a large margin when it comes to political violence in my lifetime. We can bring up Ruby Ridge, Waco, Oklahoma City, etc.

[BDKJMU]

I can play it all day long. Go ahead.

I can admit and denounce left wing violence. Can you do the same with the right? The evidence of which side has a greater propensity lies strongly (via research, studies, etc) with the right.

So let’s start gently.

Lets start with something that is actually incitement to violence.

[BDKJMU]

‘Allegedly’
And if you believe they weren’t lefties..heck the 1st shooter was nonbinary which is Team Left.

So whoever the heck this moron Claude is left off:
-Trump 1st assassination attempt on Trump (shooter nonbinary)
-2nd assassination attempt on Trump
-Assassination attempt on Judge Kavanaugh. But let me guess, you’re going to claim the assassins political ideology isn’t clear?
-Minnesota School Shooter: Trans
-Nashville School Shooter: Trans
-Colorado Springs shooter: Nonbinary
-Aberdeen shooter: Trans
-Denver school shooter: Trans
-Iowa school shooter: Trans/genderfluid

Then trump's DOJ should release the manifestos or other information for both of the first two. Until they do, it demonstrates their motives, their ideology is questionable.

Trans does NOT automatically equal leftwing. Trans school shooters could be lashing out at bullies or places where they were bullied.

The left still trails the right by a large margin when it comes to political violence in my lifetime. We can bring up Ruby Ridge, Waco, Oklahoma City, etc.

lol if you believe trans committing those murders aren’t ideologically motivated as part of team Left. They sure as hell aren’t Team Right.
-Also added the 2016 BLM inspired murder of 3 police officers in Baton Rouge (your list included the 2016 BLM inspired murder of 5 police officers in Dallas).
-Also added the N Dakota teen murdered over MAGA.

I don’t think so because your list is leaving off A LOT. And even if the Right was ahead with those past decades events, the Team Left right now is in overdrive trying to catchup the past few years.

[BDKJMU]

'This Is A Both Sides Issue,' Says Side That Shot President Trump, Assassinated Charlie Kirk, Tried To Assassinate Kavanaugh, Tried To Shoot Trump Again, Shot Steve Scalise, Firebombed Governor Shapiro, Tried To Shoot Trump A Third Time, (cont'd)

(cont’d) murdered schoolkids in Minnesota, murdered schoolchildren in Nashville, burned an elderly Jewish woman to death in Colorado, murdered a couple at the Jewish embassy in D.C., seized campus buildings and held janitors hostage, assaulted students on campus who appeared Jewish, ambushed ICE officers in Dallas and shot an officer in the neck, assassinated FBI officer David Underwood, assassinated the United Healthcare CEO, cheered the murder of over 1,200 civilians on October 7th, murdered schoolkids in Colorado in 2019, injured over 700 police offers in 2020 riots, murdered retired police captain David Dorn, murdered a 16-year-old boy in "CHAZ", burned down Minneapolis, firebombed a Washington ICE center, murdered six people in Waukesha, assassinated five Dallas officers in 2016, assassinated three police in Baton Rouge in 2016 (you know what, we're going to stop now, this is getting sad).

https://babylonbee.com/news/this-is-a-b ... ille-shot-

[UNI88]

Then trump's DOJ should release the manifestos or other information for both of the first two. Until they do, it demonstrates their motives, their ideology is questionable.

Trans does NOT automatically equal leftwing. Trans school shooters could be lashing out at bullies or places where they were bullied.

The left still trails the right by a large margin when it comes to political violence in my lifetime. We can bring up Ruby Ridge, Waco, Oklahoma City, etc.

lol if you believe trans committing those murders aren’t ideologically motivated as part of team Left. They sure as hell aren’t Team Right.
-Also added the 2016 BLM inspired murder of 3 police officers in Baton Rouge (your list included the 2016 BLM inspired murder of 5 police officers in Dallas).
-Also added the N Dakota teen murdered over MAGA.

I don’t think so because your list is leaving off A LOT. And even if the Right was ahead with those past decades events, the Team Left right now is in overdrive trying to catchup the past few years.

If I apply your own gerrymandering logic, the left is only trying to catch up with the right.

I don't think either of my lists were exhaustive but you're nuts if you think it's only the leftwing list that is missing examples.

Renee Good and Alex Pretti weren't listed either and they were the victims of rightwing political violence. Everyone who was beat up, gassed or shot by ICE/CBP is an example of rightwing political violence.

[Caribbean Hen]

lol if you believe trans committing those murders aren’t ideologically motivated as part of team Left. They sure as hell aren’t Team Right.
-Also added the 2016 BLM inspired murder of 3 police officers in Baton Rouge (your list included the 2016 BLM inspired murder of 5 police officers in Dallas).
-Also added the N Dakota teen murdered over MAGA.

I don’t think so because your list is leaving off A LOT. And even if the Right was ahead with those past decades events, the Team Left right now is in overdrive trying to catchup the past few years.

If I apply your own gerrymandering logic, the left is only trying to catch up with the right.

I don't think either of my lists were exhaustive but you're nuts if you think it's only the leftwing list that is missing examples.

Renee Good and Alex Pretti weren't listed either and they were the victims of rightwing political violence. Everyone who was beat up, gassed or shot by ICE/CBP is an example of rightwing political violence.

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