US Strikes Iran Part 2.

[BDKJMU]

The U.S. Built a Blueprint to Avoid Civilian War Casualties. Trump Officials Scrapped It.

Hegseth is a war criminal and should do serious time.

By your standard you‘d have every US Army Air Force General during WWII labeled a war criminal, and the RAF generals even more so.

[UNI88]

Hegseth is a war criminal and should do serious time.

By your standard you‘d have every US Army Air Force General during WWII labeled a war criminal, and the RAF generals even more so.

Did they all say " no quarter, no mercy for our enemies"?

[BDKJMU]

By your standard you‘d have every US Army Air Force General during WWII labeled a war criminal, and the RAF generals even more so.

Did they all say " no quarter, no mercy for our enemies"?

I don‘t know. I wasn‘t there. But when you’re carpet bombing entire cities that‘s pretty much what you‘re doing.

As far as ‘no quarter‘ orders handed down (probably orally), Gen Maxwell Taylor, commander of the 101st airborne during the Normandy landings, allegedly gave an order to take no prisoners on June 6. Lots on the interwebs about that. Also Gen Ridgeway commander of the 82nd ABN allegedly did. The paratroopers were scattered all over the Normandy countryside, in some cases behind German lines, with the beach head not secured yet, and no POW collection points nearby, no one to guard them. Couldn’t take them with them. It was either shoot them, or let them go, in which case they would just rejoin the German forces to take up arms against the allies.

The Chenogne massacre, probably the biggest single case of American troops shooting Germam POWs, never made it into the Battle of the Bulge movies. That take no prisoners order allegedly came from high up.

After crossing the Rhine into the heart of Germany:

Raymond Hufft, a retired Army major general in New Orleans, said he issued a “no prisoners” order during World War II.

“We shot everything that moved,” he recalled. “If the. Germans had won, I would have been on trial at Nuremberg instead of them.”

https://www.nytimes.com/1971/04/01/arch ... elves.html

Stephen Ambrose related: "I've interviewed well over 1000 combat veterans. Only one of them said he shot a prisoner... Perhaps as many as one-third of the veterans...however, related incidents in which they saw other GIs shooting unarmed German prisoners who had their hands up."[11]

https://military-history.fandom.com/wik ... war_crimes

[UNI88]

Did they all say " no quarter, no mercy for our enemies"?

I don‘t know. I wasn‘t there. But when you’re carpet bombing entire cities that‘s pretty much what you‘re doing.

As far as ‘no quarter‘ orders handed down (probably orally), Gen Maxwell Taylor, commander of the 101st airborne during the Normandy landings, allegedly gave an order to take no prisoners on June 6. Lots on the interwebs about that. Also Gen Ridgeway commander of the 82nd ABN allegedly did. The paratroopers were scattered all over the Normandy countryside, in some cases behind German lines, with the beach head not secured yet, and no POW collection points nearby, no one to guard them. Couldn’t take them with them. It was either shoot them, or let them go, in which case they would just rejoin the German forces to take up arms against the allies.

The Chenogne massacre, probably the biggest single case of American troops shooting Germam POWs, never made it into the Battle of the Bulge movies. That take no prisoners order allegedly came from high up.

After crossing the Rhine into the heart of Germany:

Raymond Hufft, a retired Army major general in New Orleans, said he issued a “no prisoners” order during World War II.

“We shot everything that moved,” he recalled. “If the. Germans had won, I would have been on trial at Nuremberg instead of them.”

https://www.nytimes.com/1971/04/01/arch ... elves.html

Stephen Ambrose related: "I've interviewed well over 1000 combat veterans. Only one of them said he shot a prisoner... Perhaps as many as one-third of the veterans...however, related incidents in which they saw other GIs shooting unarmed German prisoners who had their hands up."[11]

https://military-history.fandom.com/wik ... war_crimes

Past events don't justify a current violation of the UCMJ, Geneva Convention, etc.

Sorry but I expect leaders to lead, unfortunately Whiskeyleaks, the Secretary of War Crimes, acts like a drunken frat bro rather than a leader. He's like the 2nd lacrosse player in Grown Ups 2.

[BDKJMU]

I don‘t know. I wasn‘t there. But when you’re carpet bombing entire cities that‘s pretty much what you‘re doing.

As far as ‘no quarter‘ orders handed down (probably orally), Gen Maxwell Taylor, commander of the 101st airborne during the Normandy landings, allegedly gave an order to take no prisoners on June 6. Lots on the interwebs about that. Also Gen Ridgeway commander of the 82nd ABN allegedly did. The paratroopers were scattered all over the Normandy countryside, in some cases behind German lines, with the beach head not secured yet, and no POW collection points nearby, no one to guard them. Couldn’t take them with them. It was either shoot them, or let them go, in which case they would just rejoin the German forces to take up arms against the allies.

The Chenogne massacre, probably the biggest single case of American troops shooting Germam POWs, never made it into the Battle of the Bulge movies. That take no prisoners order allegedly came from high up.

After crossing the Rhine into the heart of Germany:

https://www.nytimes.com/1971/04/01/arch ... elves.html


https://military-history.fandom.com/wik ... war_crimes

Past events don't justify a current violation of the UCMJ, Geneva Convention, etc.

Sorry but I expect leaders to lead, unfortunately Whiskeyleaks, the Secretary of War Crimes, acts like a drunken frat bro rather than a leader. He's like the 2nd lacrosse player in Grown Ups 2.

What war crime pray tell has the Sec War committed?

[UNI88]

Past events don't justify a current violation of the UCMJ, Geneva Convention, etc.

Sorry but I expect leaders to lead, unfortunately Whiskeyleaks, the Secretary of War Crimes, acts like a drunken frat bro rather than a leader. He's like the 2nd lacrosse player in Grown Ups 2.

What war crime pray tell has the Sec War committed?

Already answered.

[Caribbean Hen]

Past events don't justify a current violation of the UCMJ, Geneva Convention, etc.

Sorry but I expect leaders to lead, unfortunately Whiskeyleaks, the Secretary of War Crimes, acts like a drunken frat bro rather than a leader. He's like the 2nd lacrosse player in Grown Ups 2.

What war crime pray tell has the Sec War committed?

None

[UNI88]

Under the Hague Regulations article 23(d) it is forbidden:
(c) To kill or wound an enemy who, having laid down his arms, or having no longer means of defence, has surrendered at discretion;
(d) To declare that no quarter will be given;

Under the DoD Law of War Manual it is forbidden to declare that no quarter will be given.


That video by the Patriotic 6 was prophetic and completely justified.

[kalm]

Odds of us going in?

Iran accuses US of plotting ground assault while publicly seeking talks

Tehran says it will confront any land attack, as Houthi missiles fired at Israel signal further escalation in region

Iran has warned the US that it is prepared to confront any ground assault, accusing Washington of secretly planning a land attack while publicly seeking talks, as the war that has killed thousands of people and caused the biggest-ever disruption to global energy supplies entered its second month.

As efforts to find a negotiated conclusion to hostilities inched forward with a meeting of regional powers in Pakistan, there were signs of further escalation over the weekend as Yemen’s Iran-backed Houthis entered the conflict for the first time, and the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, said his country was widening its invasion of southern Lebanon.

In a message published to mark 30 days since the start of the war, the Iranian parliament speaker, Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, said “the enemy signals negotiation in public, while in secret it plots a ground attack”.

“Our firing continues,” Ghalibaf said. “Our missiles are in place. Our determination and faith have increased.” Iranian forces “are waiting for the arrival of American troops on the ground to set them on fire and punish their regional partners for ever,” he added.

The Pentagon is reportedly preparing for weeks of “ground operations” in Iran, US officials have told the Washington Post, as thousands of American soldiers and marines arrive in the Middle East.

Any US ground operation would probably stop short of a full-scale invasion, instead relying on raids by special operations forces and conventional infantry, according to reports on contingency planning. But even a limited mission could expose American troops to Iranian drones, missiles, ground fire and improvised explosives.


US soldiers in uniform stand together in a group on the ship
An image from a video provided by US Central Command shows American sailors and marines onboard USS Tripoli, which has arrived in the Middle East. Photograph: AP
Among the options reportedly discussed are the seizure of Kharg Island, Iran’s main oil export hub, and raids on coastal sites near the strait of Hormuz to destroy weapons threatening commercial and military shipping. Axios and the Wall Street Journal have reported that the Pentagon is also considering sending another 10,000 troops to the region, alongside a broader bombing campaign.

The White House has sent mixed signals, alternating between talk of de-escalation and threats of a wider war. Karoline Leavitt, the press secretary, said Pentagon planning was intended to give Donald Trump “maximum optionality”, not to signal a final decision.

Whether Trump would approve plans for deploying ground troops remained uncertain, the Post said.

In an apparent rebuke of the Trump administration, Pope Leo said on Sunday that God ignores the prayers of leaders who wage war and have “hands full of blood”. The pontiff made the comments days after the US defence secretary, Pete Hegseth, prayed for violence against enemies who deserved “no mercy”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/ ... SApp_Other

[UNI88]

Odds of us going in?

Iran accuses US of plotting ground assault while publicly seeking talks

Tehran says it will confront any land attack, as Houthi missiles fired at Israel signal further escalation in region

Iran has warned the US that it is prepared to confront any ground assault, accusing Washington of secretly planning a land attack while publicly seeking talks, as the war that has killed thousands of people and caused the biggest-ever disruption to global energy supplies entered its second month.

As efforts to find a negotiated conclusion to hostilities inched forward with a meeting of regional powers in Pakistan, there were signs of further escalation over the weekend as Yemen’s Iran-backed Houthis entered the conflict for the first time, and the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, said his country was widening its invasion of southern Lebanon.

In a message published to mark 30 days since the start of the war, the Iranian parliament speaker, Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, said “the enemy signals negotiation in public, while in secret it plots a ground attack”.

“Our firing continues,” Ghalibaf said. “Our missiles are in place. Our determination and faith have increased.” Iranian forces “are waiting for the arrival of American troops on the ground to set them on fire and punish their regional partners for ever,” he added.

The Pentagon is reportedly preparing for weeks of “ground operations” in Iran, US officials have told the Washington Post, as thousands of American soldiers and marines arrive in the Middle East.

Any US ground operation would probably stop short of a full-scale invasion, instead relying on raids by special operations forces and conventional infantry, according to reports on contingency planning. But even a limited mission could expose American troops to Iranian drones, missiles, ground fire and improvised explosives.

Among the options reportedly discussed are the seizure of Kharg Island, Iran’s main oil export hub, and raids on coastal sites near the strait of Hormuz to destroy weapons threatening commercial and military shipping. Axios and the Wall Street Journal have reported that the Pentagon is also considering sending another 10,000 troops to the region, alongside a broader bombing campaign.

The White House has sent mixed signals, alternating between talk of de-escalation and threats of a wider war. Karoline Leavitt, the press secretary, said Pentagon planning was intended to give Donald Trump “maximum optionality”, not to signal a final decision.

Whether Trump would approve plans for deploying ground troops remained uncertain, the Post said.

In an apparent rebuke of the Trump administration, Pope Leo said on Sunday that God ignores the prayers of leaders who wage war and have “hands full of blood”. The pontiff made the comments days after the US defence secretary, Pete Hegseth, prayed for violence against enemies who deserved “no mercy”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/ ... SApp_Other

I hope not.

If I really had tDS and hated America, I'd be hoping for boots on the ground because if American soldiers die in large numbers, Democrats will take both houses of Congress unless trump finds a way to foul the election and that will jsut upset more Americans and seriously damage Republican chances in 2028.

[Caribbean Hen]

The New York Times isn't the only outlet that's offered a surprise report card to Trump. An op-ed published last week by Al Jazeera praised the effectiveness of the military actions taken by the U.S. and Israel.

"When you look at what has actually happened to Iran’s principal instruments of power – its ballistic missile arsenal, its nuclear infrastructure, its air [defenses], its navy and its proxy command architecture – the picture is not one of US failure. It is one of systematic, phased degradation of a threat that previous administrations allowed to grow for four decades," wrote Muhanad Seloom, an assistant professor at the Doha Institute for Graduate Studies.“

[kalm]

The New York Times isn't the only outlet that's offered a surprise report card to Trump. An op-ed published last week by Al Jazeera praised the effectiveness of the military actions taken by the U.S. and Israel.

"When you look at what has actually happened to Iran’s principal instruments of power – its ballistic missile arsenal, its nuclear infrastructure, its air [defenses], its navy and its proxy command architecture – the picture is not one of US failure. It is one of systematic, phased degradation of a threat that previous administrations allowed to grow for four decades," wrote Muhanad Seloom, an assistant professor at the Doha Institute for Graduate Studies.“

I’d imagine so. So Iran’s neighbors can eventually breathe a little easier with the U.S. doing all of the leg work. But at what financial cost to us and world wide markets? From what I’ve read, Iran could surrender today but the economic impact will last months if not years.

What has the U.S gained?

[Caribbean Hen]

The New York Times isn't the only outlet that's offered a surprise report card to Trump. An op-ed published last week by Al Jazeera praised the effectiveness of the military actions taken by the U.S. and Israel.

"When you look at what has actually happened to Iran’s principal instruments of power – its ballistic missile arsenal, its nuclear infrastructure, its air [defenses], its navy and its proxy command architecture – the picture is not one of US failure. It is one of systematic, phased degradation of a threat that previous administrations allowed to grow for four decades," wrote Muhanad Seloom, an assistant professor at the Doha Institute for Graduate Studies.“

I’d imagine so. So Iran’s neighbors can eventually breathe a little easier with the U.S. doing all of the leg work. But at what financial cost to us and world wide markets? From what I’ve read, Iran could surrender today but the economic impact will last months if not years.

What has the U.S gained?

Once it’s over, 25 years of peace

Don’t think for a minute that China, Russia and North Korea are not all secretly impressed with the outstanding display of technological dominance by the US military in Venezuela and now Iran

We are telling the world don’t mess with us …and why are we saying that? because they were

[kalm]

I’d imagine so. So Iran’s neighbors can eventually breathe a little easier with the U.S. doing all of the leg work. But at what financial cost to us and world wide markets? From what I’ve read, Iran could surrender today but the economic impact will last months if not years.

What has the U.S gained?

Once it’s over, 25 years of peace

Don’t think for a minute that China, Russia and North Korea are not all secretly impressed with the outstanding display of technological dominance by the US military in Venezuela and now Iran

We are telling the world don’t mess with us …and why are we saying that? because they were

Peace for who? Holy neo-con, Batman.

Do you think North Korea was a threat?
Do you think Russia didn’t see how their hardware performed compared to ours in UKR?
How big is the gap between us and China? Why would they get involved in conventional conflict with us as their soft power is already doing the job?

If we send in ground troops, how quickly and at what expense will we accomplish anything given our recent history
In Iraq and Afghanistan?

[Caribbean Hen]

This one for Chang, the next one for Eng

[Caribbean Hen]

Peace for who? Holy neo-con, Batman.

Do you think North Korea was a threat?
Do you think Russia didn’t see how their hardware performed compared to ours in UKR?
How big is the gap between us and China? Why would they get involved in conventional conflict with us as their soft power is already doing the job?

If we send in ground troops, how quickly and at what expense will we accomplish anything given our recent history
In Iraq and Afghanistan?

You asked how the US would benefit by punishing Iran?

And now this

North Korea is definitely a threat as they are arming Iran

Not only Russia, but the Chinese saw how there technology failed in Venezuela

The gap is about 11,000 miles

Not sure if we’re gonna send troops or what good it will do but if we do send them, I think it’s gonna be a quick and dirty…. They Iranian people need to be given a fighting chance, they need weapons and they need some help … but no occupation and I don’t think Iran will ever publicly surrender

And don’t forget, one of your heroes Zelinski is offering his support

[SeattleGriz]

Not sure if anyone cares, but sites I've been following since Ukraine to get a different perspective on conflicts. They overlap on their Iran commentary.

No idea how accurate, just know we get one version here in the west.

https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/

https://www.moonofalabama.org/

https://simplicius76.substack.com/

[kalm]

You asked how the US would benefit by punishing Iran?

And now this

North Korea is definitely a threat as they are arming Iran

Not only Russia, but the Chinese saw how there technology failed in Venezuela

The gap is about 11,000 miles

Not sure if we’re gonna send troops or what good it will do but if we do send them, I think it’s gonna be a quick and dirty…. They Iranian people need to be given a fighting chance, they need weapons and they need some help … but no occupation and I don’t think Iran will ever publicly surrender

And don’t forget, one of your heroes Zelinski is offering his support

So all counties who trade tech with our enemy of the month are now a threat?

Where does Russia fit in here? Are the allies who just happen to help Iran with targeting? Since Europe is committing to continued support of UKR when are we going to bomb Brussels?

We’re committing ground troops to assist Iranian opposition? How has that worked out in the past? Define quick and dirty.

Zelenskyy is a better man and leader than Trump or Vance. He potentially benefits more from helping us right now than Iran.

What does 11,000 miles have to do with a direct question comparing Chinese capabilities and ours. Nice tap out.

[SeattleGriz]

So all counties who trade tech with our enemy of the month are now a threat?

Where does Russia fit in here? Are the allies who just happen to help Iran with targeting? Since Europe is committing to continued support of UKR when are we going to bomb Brussels?

We’re committing ground troops to assist Iranian opposition? How has that worked out in the past? Define quick and dirty.

Zelenskyy is a better man and leader than Trump or Vance. He potentially benefits more from helping us right now than Iran.

What does 11,000 miles have to do with a direct question comparing Chinese capabilities and ours. Nice tap out.

Zelensky is a puppet. He's also come down hard on his own population just like a King would do. The irony of support for a puppet who rules as a King. No Kings!

[kalm]

So all counties who trade tech with our enemy of the month are now a threat?

Where does Russia fit in here? Are the allies who just happen to help Iran with targeting? Since Europe is committing to continued support of UKR when are we going to bomb Brussels?

We’re committing ground troops to assist Iranian opposition? How has that worked out in the past? Define quick and dirty.

Zelenskyy is a better man and leader than Trump or Vance. He potentially benefits more from helping us right now than Iran.

What does 11,000 miles have to do with a direct question comparing Chinese capabilities and ours. Nice tap out.

Zelensky is a puppet. He's also come down hard on his own population just like a King would do. The irony of support for a puppet who rules as a King. No Kings!

Who’s the puppet master?

[UNI88]

[kalm]

Pfft. Everyone knows ionic columns are ornate too but far more sturdy and functional.

[SeattleGriz]

Zelensky is a puppet. He's also come down hard on his own population just like a King would do. The irony of support for a puppet who rules as a King. No Kings!

Who’s the puppet master?

Those that want the petrodollar as the main form of currency and the ability to control it.

[kalm]

Who’s the puppet master?

Those that want the petrodollar as the main form of currency and the ability to control it.

I’m sorry but that doesn’t make sense. Can you be specific on who those are?

[SeattleGriz]

Those that want the petrodollar as the main form of currency and the ability to control it.

I’m sorry but that doesn’t make sense. Can you be specific on who those are?

The US does not want to lose it's financial leverage over the rest of the world. Can't have everyone paying yuan.