US Strikes Iran Part 2.

[UNI88]

Attacks against trump must be substantiated but attacks by trump or MAQA don't have to be? There is more proof that fred paid the doctor than there is for a lot of attacks that trump has made.

I'm not going to rehash everything trump has reportedly said about military dead/POWs but the people how reported he said them are as reputable and believable as the people who said they didn't hear it.

Iran is looking like trump's forever war and even if it isn't he's still started multiple conflicts after promising not to get America involved in them and MAQA blindly supports him no matter how many hypocritical flip flops he does.

Except no named person (including Gen Kelley) has said ‘I heard Trump say Suckers and Losers.’

No it isn’t. He said no forever wars, and so far there has been none. Get back to me when there is.

Your double standard when it comes to unnamed sources is noted but it's about more than "suckers and losers" and you know it. You just want to limit the debate.

General Kelly's statements are more than enough proof for me. If he'd said that about biden, Obama or Clinton you would have believed it in a heartbeat but you dismiss them without consideration because they're negative about your false god.

trump has said a lot more than just keeping us out of endless/forever wars, he's promised to avoid “foreign entanglements" and said the US should stop policing the world. I don't think regime change in Iran is happening without boots on the ground and forever war.

[kalm]

Piling dumb on top of dumb.

Destroy the power supply, affecting the innocent (like we’re doing in Cuba), and in a country that we will have to likely occupy. Regime change ain’t working out so well, but if the fundies are truly removed from power then we either occupy or it descends into chaos and anarchy. And we should expect zero material support for this from our former allies.

It’s like he’s intentionally destroying the U.S. of A.

And the lizard brained troggs cheer this shit on like the ignorant fucks they are.

I think this is Trump talking shit. Iran's power supply is very decentralized. The largest energy plant only supplies 2.9% of the country's power. It would have to be a huge effort to really screw Iran over.

So weaken your position by showing how ignorant and/or full of shit you really are.

[BDKJMU]

Except no named person (including Gen Kelley) has said ‘I heard Trump say Suckers and Losers.’

No it isn’t. He said no forever wars, and so far there has been none. Get back to me when there is.

You're double standard when it comes to unnamed sources is noted but it's about more than "suckers and losers" and you know it. You just want to limit the debate.

General Kelley's statements are more than enough proof for me. If he'd said that about biden, Obama or Clinton you would have believed it in a heartbeat but you dismiss them without consideration because they're negative about your false god.

trump has said a lot more than just keeping us out of endless/forever wars, he's promised to avoid “foreign entanglements" and said the US should stop policing the world. I don't think regime change in Iran is happening without boots on the ground and forever war.

Kelley never said Trump made the statement. It was just ‘What more can you say.’

Trump also said Iran couldn’t be allowed to get nukes, and he has said that going back to the 1980s. Thats not an endless foreign entanglement if Iran doesn’t get nukes and the conflict isn’t monthS

The right regime change would be ideal, but I haven’t heard Trump or anyone say we have to remain in a shooting war until there is.

[UNI88]

You're double standard when it comes to unnamed sources is noted but it's about more than "suckers and losers" and you know it. You just want to limit the debate.

General Kelly's statements are more than enough proof for me. If he'd said that about biden, Obama or Clinton you would have believed it in a heartbeat but you dismiss them without consideration because they're negative about your false god.

trump has said a lot more than just keeping us out of endless/forever wars, he's promised to avoid “foreign entanglements" and said the US should stop policing the world. I don't think regime change in Iran is happening without boots on the ground and forever war.

Kelley never said Trump made the statement. It was just ‘What more can you say.’

Trump also said Iran couldn’t be allowed to get nukes, and he has said that going back to the 1980s. Thats not an endless foreign entanglement if Iran doesn’t get nukes and the conflict isn’t monthS

The right regime change would be ideal, but I haven’t heard Trump or anyone say we have to remain in a shooting war until there is.

More MAQA excuses to lamely attempt to justify trump's about face on war with Iran.

It wasn't "what more can you say." It was "What can I add that has not already been said?” He also said trump was:

• “a person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as prisoners of war are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them’.”
• “a person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me’”.
• “a person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family – for all Gold Star families – on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are ‘losers’ and wouldn’t visit their graves in France”.

trump also called John McCain a "loser" and said he was “not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”

Now you'll attempt to shift the focus to the McCain comments because it's difficult to dismiss Kelly's and you think you can blame trump's horrendous comments about McCain on their contentious relationship. That doesn't excuse them.

[SeattleGriz]

I think this is Trump talking shit. Iran's power supply is very decentralized. The largest energy plant only supplies 2.9% of the country's power. It would have to be a huge effort to really screw Iran over.

So weaken your position by showing how ignorant and/or full of shit you really are.

I wouldn't say weaken, just ratings marketing. Trump has always been driven by ratings. He gets it. You know the general public is awful at discernment.

My point is that I believe taking out Iran's power grid will be really tough if that is a target.

[BDKJMU]

Kelley never said Trump made the statement. It was just ‘What more can you say.’

Trump also said Iran couldn’t be allowed to get nukes, and he has said that going back to the 1980s. Thats not an endless foreign entanglement if Iran doesn’t get nukes and the conflict isn’t monthS

The right regime change would be ideal, but I haven’t heard Trump or anyone say we have to remain in a shooting war until there is.

More MAQA excuses to lamely attempt to justify trump's about face on war with Iran.

It wasn't "what more can you say." It was "What can I add that has not already been said?” He also said trump was:

• “a person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as prisoners of war are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them’.”
• “a person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me’”.
• “a person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family – for all Gold Star families – on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are ‘losers’ and wouldn’t visit their graves in France”.

trump also called John McCain a "loser" and said he was “not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”

Now you'll attempt to shift the focus to the McCain comments because it's difficult to dismiss Kelly's and you think you can blame trump's horrendous comments about McCain on their contentious relationship. That doesn't excuse them.

Lol no. All of the above except the McCain remark (they hated each other) is ‘alleged’ that there’s no proof of.
-Nothing recorded or on video despite virtually everything a POTUS says nowadays being in recorded/taped.
-Nothing substantiated by any named person other than Kelley saying they heard him say any of the above.

The 1st bolded was the ‘Suckers and Losers’ HOAX (that originated as I recall with the Atlantic) that was based on ‘anonymous’ sources. Anonymous = unsubstantiated.

[UNI88]

More MAQA excuses to lamely attempt to justify trump's about face on war with Iran.

It wasn't "what more can you say." It was "What can I add that has not already been said?” He also said trump was:

• “a person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as prisoners of war are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them’.”
• “a person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me’”.
• “a person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family – for all Gold Star families – on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are ‘losers’ and wouldn’t visit their graves in France”.

trump also called John McCain a "loser" and said he was “not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”

Now you'll attempt to shift the focus to the McCain comments because it's difficult to dismiss Kelly's and you think you can blame trump's horrendous comments about McCain on their contentious relationship. That doesn't excuse them.

Lol no. All of the above except the McCain remark (they hated each other) is ‘alleged’ that there’s no proof of.
-Nothing recorded or on video despite virtually everything a POTUS says nowadays being in recorded/taped.
-Nothing substantiated by any named person other than Kelley saying they heard him say any of the above.

The 1st bolded was the ‘Suckers and Losers’ HOAX (that originated as I recall with the Atlantic) that was based on ‘anonymous’ sources. Anonymous = unsubstantiated.

The irony is beyond rich - do you realize how much stuff you push that is "alleged" by trump and his lickspittles without recorded/definitive proof?

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

[Caribbean Hen]

You shouldn’t be talking about Cuba little buddy because you’re embarrassing yourself because of your lack of knowledge But keep going if you must

They are totally used to living in these conditions and the overwhelming majority welcome riding their island of this awful crushing oppressive government that has ruled over them for 60 years

So make those conditions worse on the Cuban public so Littke Marco can have his war? You’re so wrapped up in your alleged knowledge of all things Caribbean and “the streets” you fail to recognized basic logic and decency.

Congrats I guess.

You decided to continue

You don’t understand that when the lights go out in Cuba, they were already off

[kalm]

So make those conditions worse on the Cuban public so Littke Marco can have his war? You’re so wrapped up in your alleged knowledge of all things Caribbean and “the streets” you fail to recognized basic logic and decency.

Congrats I guess.

You decided to continue

You don’t understand that when the lights go out in Cuba, they were already off

I knew exactly what you meant. Do they not use any electricity? Refrigeration, street lights, hospitals, pumping oil, gas, water?

How many times have you been there?

It’s a poor country. Let’s punish the people and make it poorer.

[Caribbean Hen]

You decided to continue

You don’t understand that when the lights go out in Cuba, they were already off

I knew exactly what you meant. Do they not use any electricity? Refrigeration, street lights, hospitals, pumping oil, gas, water?

How many times have you been there?

It’s a poor country. Let’s punish the people and make it poorer.

Let’s just say the population of Cuba is very conditioned to the electricity going out every day. It’s just the part of a miserable life under communism.

It would certainly be great if they could get it back to 1958 pre Castro when Cuba was a destination

[BDKJMU]

I’m not sure this is about strategy from the administration as it is about his desire to control and dominate. And there’s no brakes on that car.

Iran Part Deux will either be a forever war or trump will TACO and there will be a peace deal with no regime change. There will be no regime change without boots on the ground.

From the Venezuela thread. Show me where Trump stated regime change in Iran was a prerequisite for a peace deal.

[UNI88]

Iran Part Deux will either be a forever war or trump will TACO and there will be a peace deal with no regime change. There will be no regime change without boots on the ground.

From the Venezuela thread. Show me where Trump stated regime change in Iran was a prerequisite for a peace deal.

trump didn't state it was a prerequisite, he stated it was a goal of the war.

But you be you and keep BDKnitpicking away and trying to limit the scope of debate so that trump doesn't look like more of a buffoon.

[BDKJMU]

From the Venezuela thread. Show me where Trump stated regime change in Iran was a prerequisite for a peace deal.

trump didn't state it was a prerequisite, he stated it was a goal of the war.

So it’s not TACO if there’s a peace deal without regime change.

[UNI88]

trump didn't state it was a prerequisite, he stated it was a goal of the war.

So it’s not TACO if there’s a peace deal without regime change.

It's TACO if he backs out without achieving his goals.

[BDKJMU]

So it’s not TACO if there’s a peace deal without regime change.

It's TACO if he backs out without achieving his goals.

Not if the main goal of preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear in the near future is achieved. The US hasn’t been targeting Iranian leadership- that’s the Israelis doing that. US has been targeting military assets.

[kalm]

It's TACO if he backs out without achieving his goals.

Not if the main goal of preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear in the near future is achieved. The US hasn’t been targeting Iranian leadership- that’s the Israelis doing that. US has been targeting military assets.

And children’s schools.

[BDKJMU]

Not if the main goal of preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear in the near future is achieved. The US hasn’t been targeting Iranian leadership- that’s the Israelis doing that. US has been targeting military assets.

And children’s schools.

Wrong.

[UNI88]

It's TACO if he backs out without achieving his goals.

Not if the main goal of preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear in the near future is achieved. The US hasn’t been targeting Iranian leadership- that’s the Israelis doing that. US has been targeting military assets.

You're moving the goalposts.

No matter what I respond with you're going to twist yourself into logical pretzels to defend trump. Qult members are not allowed to admit that their false god has flip flopped or made a mistake. Everything is explainable by his genius.

[kalm]

And children’s schools.

Wrong.

I didn’t say the target was correct but those deaths are on us.

[UNI88]

MAGA moms at CPAC ‘agree’ Barron Trump should serve in the military if troops are sent to Iran

“Both mothers agreed that if soldiers were sent to war, if this woman’s son was sent to war, they both agreed that Barron Trump should also serve in the military,” Flores told MSNOW anchor Chris Jansing Thursday.

When asked if they thought Barron Trump would serve, the MAGA mothers said they thought the president’s youngest son “would do the right thing.”

[BDKJMU]

Wrong.

I didn’t say the target was correct but those deaths are on us.

You said schoolS
According to Iranian media, ONE school was hit that they said they didn’t know was there.

[kalm]

I didn’t say the target was correct but those deaths are on us.

You said schoolS
According to Iranian media, ONE school was hit that they said they didn’t know was there.

Oops. Typo. Meant only one. Here’s the number we should be hitting with a trillion dollar defense budget.

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[UNI88]

You said schoolS
According to Iranian media, ONE school was hit that they said they didn’t know was there.

Oops. Typo. Meant only one. Here’s the number we should be hitting with a trillion dollar defense budget.

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The U.S. Built a Blueprint to Avoid Civilian War Casualties. Trump Officials Scrapped It.

Today, that momentum is gone. Bryant was forced out of government in cuts last spring. The civilian protection mission was dissolved as Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth made “lethality” a top priority. And the world has witnessed a tragedy in Minab that, if U.S. responsibility is confirmed, would be the most civilians killed by the military in a single attack in decades.

Dismantling the fledgling harm-reduction effort, defense analysts say, is among several ways the Trump administration has reorganized national security around two principles: more aggression, less accountability.

[kalm]

Oops. Typo. Meant only one. Here’s the number we should be hitting with a trillion dollar defense budget.

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The U.S. Built a Blueprint to Avoid Civilian War Casualties. Trump Officials Scrapped It.

Today, that momentum is gone. Bryant was forced out of government in cuts last spring. The civilian protection mission was dissolved as Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth made “lethality” a top priority. And the world has witnessed a tragedy in Minab that, if U.S. responsibility is confirmed, would be the most civilians killed by the military in a single attack in decades.

Dismantling the fledgling harm-reduction effort, defense analysts say, is among several ways the Trump administration has reorganized national security around two principles: more aggression, less accountability.

Hegseth is a war criminal and should do serious time.

[UNI88]

The U.S. Built a Blueprint to Avoid Civilian War Casualties. Trump Officials Scrapped It.

Hegseth is a war criminal and should do serious time.

He is the Secretary of War Crimes.