trump/vance Immigration Enforcement Bloodbath

[UNI88]

They only matter when they support trump and MAQA. If they don't you will dig for any excuse to minimize them. It's part of trump and MAQA arrogance to think they can change reality/rewrite history.

Public opinion matters and trump and his policies are in the toilet of public opinion for good reasons.

Public opinion among voters matters..

The public's opinion, voters or not, of trump and the trump regime is in an unflushed gas station toilet.

[BDKJMU]

Public opinion among voters matters..

The public's opinion, voters or not, of trump and the trump regime is in an unflushed gas station toilet.

You know what they say about opinions..

[kalm]

The public's opinion, voters or not, of trump and the trump regime is in an unflushed gas station toilet.

You know what they say about opinions..

“They matter to voters?”

[BDKJMU]

You know what they say about opinions..

“They matter to voters?”

Well, duh.

[Caribbean Hen]

Klam apparently wants everyone to know that when he goes fishing, he doesn’t go to a lake, a stream, a bay or the ocean or where the fish actually are …. If that sounds dumb that’s because he is.

By god son, you took one of the worst beatings I’ve seen on here and this thread but we’re still too proud of yourself to know when to shut up

When you go fishing you probably go to Freddy Meyers so you will be sure to get the right fish to take your picture with

[UNI88]

The public's opinion, voters or not, of trump and the trump regime is in an unflushed gas station toilet.

You know what they say about opinions..

trump is an asshole in every one.

[UNI88]

The Trump regime is bending our immigration system into something it was never meant to be. Our legal system needs to catch up.

As BDK has frequently pointed out, immigration is supposed to be a civil, administrative process, not a criminal one thus less need for due process.

The problem is that historically, people who overstayed visas or otherwise ran afoul of immigration rules were sent to the country of their birth.

Now, immigrants are being detained for months, sent to prisons like CECOT for indeterminate sentences, deported to countries halfway across the globe, and having protections like TPS stripped without time to appeal. Treating people like criminals in a civil system isn’t just wrong—it’s cruel. Justice and basic decency demand that immigrants get a fair chance to respond before being detained or deported. If the Trump administration wants to treat illegal immigrants like criminals, then they should receive the same Constitutional protections criminals do.

[BDKJMU]

The Trump regime is bending our immigration system into something it was never meant to be. Our legal system needs to catch up.

As BDK has frequently pointed out, immigration is supposed to be a civil, administrative process, not a criminal one thus less need for due process.

The problem is that historically, people who overstayed visas or otherwise ran afoul of immigration rules were sent to the country of their birth.

Now, immigrants are being detained for months, sent to prisons like CECOT for indeterminate sentences, deported to countries halfway across the globe, and having protections like TPS stripped without time to appeal. Treating people like criminals in a civil system isn’t just wrong—it’s cruel. Justice and basic decency demand that [/b]immigrants[/b] get a fair chance to respond before being detained or deported. If the Trump administration wants to treat illegal immigrants like criminals, then they should receive the same Constitutional protections criminals do.

In many cases it’s the left preventing people from being returned to the country of their birth. Ex the Not A Maryland Man Abrego.

Anyone who crossed the border illegally isn‘t an immigrant, and they commuted a CRIME (8 USC 1325 EWI). Thats not civil.

Anyone who has received a final order of deportation has already received full due process.

The T in TPS stands for TEMPORARY. Autopen/Mayorkus kept extending it and extending it, and extending it, including on their way out the door, trying to make it permanent. The longer they are allowed to stay, the harder it is to kick them out. The Trump admin is putting the T back into TPS.

[UNI88]

The Trump regime is bending our immigration system into something it was never meant to be. Our legal system needs to catch up.

As BDK has frequently pointed out, immigration is supposed to be a civil, administrative process, not a criminal one thus less need for due process.

The problem is that historically, people who overstayed visas or otherwise ran afoul of immigration rules were sent to the country of their birth.

Now, immigrants are being detained for months, sent to prisons like CECOT for indeterminate sentences, deported to countries halfway across the globe, and having protections like TPS stripped without time to appeal. Treating people like criminals in a civil system isn’t just wrong—it’s cruel. Justice and basic decency demand that [/b]immigrants[/b] get a fair chance to respond before being detained or deported. If the Trump administration wants to treat illegal immigrants like criminals, then they should receive the same Constitutional protections criminals do.

In many cases it’s the left preventing people from being returned to the country of their birth. Ex the Not A Maryland Man Abrego.

Anyone who crossed the border illegally isn‘t an immigrant, and they commuted a CRIME (8 USC 1325 EWI). Thats not civil.

Anyone who has received a final order of deportation has already received full due process.

The T in TPS stands for TEMPORARY. Autopen/Mayorkus kept extending it and extending it, and extending it, including on their way out the door, trying to make it permanent. The longer they are allowed to stay, the harder it is to kick them out. The Trump admin is putting the T back into TPS.

Another but, but, but ... deflection.

Are people (and they are people just like you and me) who have had their TPS status revoked criminals? What about people who overstayed their Visas? How do their crimes compare to your false gods? Are they felons like him?

If they're criminals and the regime is treating them like criminals then they deserve the full due process that criminals are eligible for.

Is this where you argue out of the other side of your mouth that immigration isn't a criminal process?

You don't get to have it both ways. The legal system will catch up and history will not reflect well on how this is being done.

[BDKJMU]

In many cases it’s the left preventing people from being returned to the country of their birth. Ex the Not A Maryland Man Abrego.

Anyone who crossed the border illegally isn‘t an immigrant, and they commuted a CRIME (8 USC 1325 EWI). Thats not civil.

Anyone who has received a final order of deportation has already received full due process.

The T in TPS stands for TEMPORARY. Autopen/Mayorkus kept extending it and extending it, and extending it, including on their way out the door, trying to make it permanent. The longer they are allowed to stay, the harder it is to kick them out. The Trump admin is putting the T back into TPS.

Another but, but, but ... deflection.

Are people (and they are people just like you and me) who have had their TPS status revoked criminals? What about people who overstayed their Visas? How do their crimes compare to your false gods? Are they felons like him?

If they're criminals and the regime is treating them like criminals then they deserve the full due process that criminals are eligible for.

Is this where you argue out of the other side of your mouth that immigration isn't a criminal process?

You don't get to have it both ways. The legal system will catch up and history will not reflect well on how this is being done.

Lawl Fed law allows people who‘s TEMPORARY protected status ended to be deported. That isn‘t treating someone like a criminal. Same goes for people who have overstayed their visa.

History will reflect very well on upholding immigration law.

Cry more.

[UNI88]

Another but, but, but ... deflection.

Are people (and they are people just like you and me) who have had their TPS status revoked criminals? What about people who overstayed their Visas? How do their crimes compare to your false gods? Are they felons like him?

If they're criminals and the regime is treating them like criminals then they deserve the full due process that criminals are eligible for.

Is this where you argue out of the other side of your mouth that immigration isn't a criminal process?

You don't get to have it both ways. The legal system will catch up and history will not reflect well on how this is being done.

Lawl Fed law allows people who‘s TEMPORARY protected status ended to be deported. That isn‘t treating someone like a criminal. Same goes for people who have overstayed their visa.

History will reflect very well on upholding immigration law.

Cry more.

Changing their TPS status and then almost immediately detaining them is wrong. You might not think so but polling says that the majority of voters agree with me that the trump regime has take immigration enforcement too far.

Treating illegal immigrants like criminals is:
- Detaining them for extended periods of time (under what are reportedly horrendous conditions).
- Sending them to prisons like CECOT in other countries without the benefit of a criminal trial.
- Sending them to 3rd countries (South Sudan, Eswatini, Liberia, etc.) that aren't even on the same continent as their country of origin.

I'm tired of the crybaby excuse that there are so many illegal immigrants that we don't have the time or resources for trials. This is just poor planning and execution on the part of the trump regime. Inconvenience DOES NOT justify denying people their Constitutional rights.

[BDKJMU]

Lawl Fed law allows people who‘s TEMPORARY protected status ended to be deported. That isn‘t treating someone like a criminal. Same goes for people who have overstayed their visa.

History will reflect very well on upholding immigration law.

Cry more.

Changing their TPS status and then almost immediately detaining them is wrong. You might not think so but polling says that the majority of voters agree with me that the trump regime has take immigration enforcement too far.

Treating illegal immigrants like criminals is:
- Detaining them for extended periods of time (under what are reportedly horrendous conditions).
- Sending them to prisons like CECOT in other countries without the benefit of a criminal trial.
- Sending them to 3rd countries (South Sudan, Eswatini, Liberia, etc.) that aren't even on the same continent as their country of origin.

I'm tired of the crybaby excuse that there are so many illegal immigrants that we don't have the time or resources for trials. This is just poor planning and execution on the part of the trump regime. Inconvenience DOES NOT justify denying people their Constitutional rights.

That’s only a tiny fraction of revoked or expired TPS that are immediately being scooped up. Nothing in the law that says you have to wait x # of weeks or months.

Show me a poll that says the majority say shouldn‘t be able to deport those who‘s TPS status is revoked. I‘ve never even seen a poll with that question asked.

It’s lib judges that block them from being sent back to their country of origin.

It’s your opinion that their Constitutional rights are being violated.

Meanwhile.

[UNI88]

Changing their TPS status and then almost immediately detaining them is wrong. You might not think so but polling says that the majority of voters agree with me that the trump regime has take immigration enforcement too far.

Treating illegal immigrants like criminals is:
- Detaining them for extended periods of time (under what are reportedly horrendous conditions).
- Sending them to prisons like CECOT in other countries without the benefit of a criminal trial.
- Sending them to 3rd countries (South Sudan, Eswatini, Liberia, etc.) that aren't even on the same continent as their country of origin.

I'm tired of the crybaby excuse that there are so many illegal immigrants that we don't have the time or resources for trials. This is just poor planning and execution on the part of the trump regime. Inconvenience DOES NOT justify denying people their Constitutional rights.

That’s only a tiny fraction of revoked or expired TPS that are immediately being scooped up. Nothing in the law that says you have to wait x # of weeks or months.

Show me a poll that says the majority say shouldn‘t be able to deport those who‘s TPS status is revoked. I‘ve never even seen a poll with that question asked.

It’s lib judges that block them from being sent back to their country of origin.

It’s your opinion that their Constitutional rights are being violated.

Why should I show you a poll "that says the majority say shouldn‘t be able to deport those who‘s TPS status is revoked" when that isn't what I stated. Reading comprehension is essential - "You might not think so but polling says that the majority of voters agree with me that the trump regime has take immigration enforcement too far."

Why does trump want to deport Kilmar Abrego Garcia to Liberia when Costa Rica has offered to take him? Probably because he made the regime look bad and trump and his sycophants are vindictive little twats.

Sending an illegal immigrant to be imprisoned in another country is a criminal sentence and not simply an administrative immigration action.

A lot of legal experts and patriotic American citizens share my opinion that their Constitutional rights are being violated.

Our legal system will catch up with what the trump regime is doing and there will be consequences.

[BDKJMU]

That’s only a tiny fraction of revoked or expired TPS that are immediately being scooped up. Nothing in the law that says you have to wait x # of weeks or months.

Show me a poll that says the majority say shouldn‘t be able to deport those who‘s TPS status is revoked. I‘ve never even seen a poll with that question asked.

It’s lib judges that block them from being sent back to their country of origin.

It’s your opinion that their Constitutional rights are being violated.

Why should I show you a poll "that says the majority say shouldn‘t be able to deport those who‘s TPS status is revoked" when that isn't what I stated. Reading comprehension is essential - "You might not think so but polling says that the majority of voters agree with me that the trump regime has take immigration enforcement too far."

Why does trump want to deport Kilmar Abrego Garcia to Liberia when Costa Rica has offered to take him? Probably because he made the regime look bad and trump and his sycophants are vindictive little twats.

Sending an illegal immigrant to be imprisoned in another country is a criminal sentence and not simply an administrative immigration action.

A lot of legal experts and patriotic American citizens share my opinion that their Constitutional rights are being violated.

Our legal system will catch up with what the trump regime is doing and there will be consequences.

It was literally your next sentence after talking g about what the Trump admin was doing vis a vis TPS.

Yeah, like Trump‘s big win today in the 8th Circuit.

[UNI88]

Why should I show you a poll "that says the majority say shouldn‘t be able to deport those who‘s TPS status is revoked" when that isn't what I stated. Reading comprehension is essential - "You might not think so but polling says that the majority of voters agree with me that the trump regime has take immigration enforcement too far."

Why does trump want to deport Kilmar Abrego Garcia to Liberia when Costa Rica has offered to take him? Probably because he made the regime look bad and trump and his sycophants are vindictive little twats.

Sending an illegal immigrant to be imprisoned in another country is a criminal sentence and not simply an administrative immigration action.

A lot of legal experts and patriotic American citizens share my opinion that their Constitutional rights are being violated.

Our legal system will catch up with what the trump regime is doing and there will be consequences.

It was literally your next sentence after talking g about what the Trump admin was doing vis a vis TPS.

Yeah, like Trump‘s big win today in the 8th Circuit.

And you ignored the part that was part of the actual sentence.

What happened in the 8th Circuit is a blip, it's going to take years to sort this out. And your opinions on this are radically partisan, I'm more interested in what someone like Ganny who is unbiased and rational thinks about my thoughts on what trump is doing vs how immigration has worked in the past and why it was a civil/administrative process.

[BDKJMU]

It was literally your next sentence after talking g about what the Trump admin was doing vis a vis TPS.

Yeah, like Trump‘s big win today in the 8th Circuit.

And you ignored the part that was part of the actual sentence.

What happened in the 8th Circuit is a blip, it's going to take years to sort this out.

And the Autopen/Mayorkus spent years letting the masses pour in. We‘ll spend years deporting them out.

[UNI88]

History will compare what we are doing to illegal immigrants now to what we did to ethnic Japanese during WWII and history will find that what we are doing now was a greater mistake.

[BDKJMU]

History will compare what we are doing to illegal immigrants now to what we did to ethnic Japanese during WWII and history will find that what we are doing now was a greater mistake.

lol no it won’t. Removing millions in 4 years (on pace for 10 if include self deportations) will be judged as a far better than the Autopen/Mayorkus allowing 10 million to flood the country, and far preferable than the alternative- 4 years of Cackles allowing millions more disproportionately military aged males who commit more crime, to flood the country, because those were your 2 choices.

[UNI88]

History will compare what we are doing to illegal immigrants now to what we did to ethnic Japanese during WWII and history will find that what we are doing now was a greater mistake.

lol no it won’t. Cankles removing millions in 4 years (on pace for 10 if include self deportations) will be judged as a far better than the Autopen/Mayorkus allowing 10 million to flood the country, and far preferable than the alternative- 4 years of Cackles allowing millions more disproportionately military aged males who commit more crime, to flood the country, because those were your 2 choices.

You act as if both couldn't be true. They're both disasters and history will reflect poorly on both.

Cankles vs Cackles - I like it, nice work.

[kalm]

With apologies to sacks of rocks. Holy hell!

[kalm]

Just your garden variety racist validated by an entire political party and conservative network.

[SeattleGriz]

[BDKJMU]

Just your garden variety racist validated by an entire political party and conservative network.

Maybe a 100 million is a little exaggerated, but it’s not racist. If you go back to post WWII and add up:
-All the illegal immigrants.
-All of their USC anchor baby kids.
-All the chain migration due to the anchor babies and Reagan’s 1986 amnesty (worst mistake of his presidency)
-And all their kids (at a higher birth rate than the native born population)

100 million might not be that big of an exaggeration. I would‘ve have gone with a wild ass guess of 50-75 million.

[kalm]

[BDKJMU]

Yeah that’s why the border is practically shutdown and deportations (self and imposed) are at record highs.

H2A labor is regulated- citizens from about 1/2 the worlds countries are ineligibe, they enter legally, we at least know who they are, where they are going; as opposed to people from all over the world illegally coming across the border unchecked, unverified, going who knows where.

Most MAGA is fine with reasonable levels of legal immigration, against illegal immigration.

You’re missing the point bubb. Ice was rounding up anyone with brown skin including U.S. citizens and documented workers.

Kalm Phillips:

have deported about 660,000 illegal aliens.

So what you’re saying is that ICE has a 99.9997% success rate — “If any other government agency got it that right that often, we’d be throwing them a ticker-tape parade”