trump/vance Immigration Enforcement Bloodbath

[UNI88]

You're avoiding the obvious possibility that he's talking about ICE/CBP killing American citizens in which case it doesn't matter what state he lives in.

If he‘s here legally, and not part of the street commie QFF trying to violently obstruct ICE/CBP, he has nothing to worry about.

Obviously, he felt differently.

Maybe he didn't like living in a country whole federal government sends jackbooted fascist thugs after its own citizens.

[BDKJMU]

If he‘s here legally, and not part of the street commie QFF trying to violently obstruct ICE/CBP, he has nothing to worry about.

Obviously, he felt differently.

Maybe he didn't like living in a country whole federal government sends jackbooted fascist thugs after its own citizens.

Well, since that’s not happening in the US lol he has nothing to worry about.

[UNI88]

Obviously, he felt differently.

Maybe he didn't like living in a country whole federal government sends jackbooted fascist thugs after its own citizens.

Well, since that’s not happening in the US lol he has nothing to worry about.

uberfuhrer greg bovino and his gang of jackbooted fascist thugs says differently.

[kalm]

They planned for immigration about as well as they’ve planned for war with Iran.

[BDKJMU]

They planned for immigration about as well as they’ve planned for war with Iran.

Yeah that’s why the border is practically shutdown and deportions (self and imposed) are at record highs.

H2A labor is regulated- citizens from about 1/2 the worlds countries are ineligibe, they enter legally, we at least know who they are, where they are going; as opposed to people from all over the world illegally coming across the border unchecked, unverified, going who knows where.

Most MAGA is fine with reasonable levels of legal immigration, against illegal immigration.

[UNI88]

Florida Sheriffs Led by Polk’s Grady Judd Sharply Criticize Federal Mass Deportation Efforts

Some members of the State Immigration Enforcement Council, which is comprised of four sheriffs and four city police chiefs, said immigrants who aren’t criminals should be able to stay in the country, under certain conditions.

“Those are the folks we need in this country that we embrace, because we are a country of immigrants,” said Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd, council chair. “But we have allowed, what I call the criminal troublemaker, to just flood in this country and victimize people. And I think a path for the good folks with a good intention, for the right reason, is reasonable.”
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But on Monday, Judd said the federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency isn’t deporting those who are mentally ill or “have challenges” and instead removing people who “are healthy and can work.”

He and other sheriffs lamented there was “nothing we can do about it,” and blamed Congress for not working on immigration issues.

“They need to get off their butts and they need to fix it,” said Charlotte County Sheriff Bill Prummel.
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“We’re going to give you five years, and you’ve got to learn to speak English, You’ve got to pay a fine for coming into the country illegally, a civil fine,” Judd said. “And you’ve got to not be on the taxpayer dollar, and you’ve got to work, and you’ve got to put your kids in school, and we already know those people who are doing that.”

Florida is different, Prummel said, because law enforcement isn’t “just raiding businesses and homes.”

“But unfortunately, when ICE gets involved, you have the collaterals, and that’s what’s happening,” he added.

Sheriff Grady Judd blasts media reports that he criticizes federal mass deportation efforts: 'Simply not true'

He did offer extremely constructive criticism.

[kalm]

They planned for immigration about as well as they’ve planned for war with Iran.

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Yeah that’s why the border is practically shutdown and depletions (self and imposed) are at record highs.

H2A labor is regulated- citizens from about 1/2 the worlds countries are ineligibe, they enter legally, we at least know who they are, where they are going; as opposed to people from all over the world illegally coming across the border unchecked, unverified, going who knows where.

Most MAGA is fine with reasonable levels of legal immigration, against illegal immigration.

You’re missing the point bubb. Ice was rounding up anyone with brown skin including U.S. citizens and documented workers.

[BDKJMU]

Yeah that’s why the border is practically shutdown and depletions (self and imposed) are at record highs.

H2A labor is regulated- citizens from about 1/2 the worlds countries are ineligibe, they enter legally, we at least know who they are, where they are going; as opposed to people from all over the world illegally coming across the border unchecked, unverified, going who knows where.

Most MAGA is fine with reasonable levels of legal immigration, against illegal immigration.

You’re missing the point bubb. Ice was rounding up anyone with brown skin including U.S. citizens and documented workers.

The names of these US Citizens who were deported?

[kalm]

You’re missing the point bubb. Ice was rounding up anyone with brown skin including U.S. citizens and documented workers.

The names of these US Citizens who were deported?

Hmmm…I can see you’re still not getting the point. Citizens and documented workers have both been mistakenly detained and some for months. But keep on supporting autocracy.

[UNI88]

The names of these US Citizens who were deported?

Hmmm…I can see you’re still not getting the point. Citizens and documented workers have both been mistakenly detained and some for months. But keep on supporting autocracy.

He's BDKnitpicking. He knows that "rounding up" doesn't equal deported.

[BDKJMU]

The names of these US Citizens who were deported?

Hmmm…I can see you’re still not getting the point. Citizens and documented workers have both been mistakenly detained and some for months. But keep on supporting autocracy.

Sure brief detentions to determine identity, citizenship or immigration status.

Now you keep moving the goalposts from deported to detained for months. Names of
US citizens who have been detained for months.

[kalm]

Hmmm…I can see you’re still not getting the point. Citizens and documented workers have both been mistakenly detained and some for months. But keep on supporting autocracy.

Sure brief detentions to determine identity, citizenship or immigration status.

Now you keep moving the goalposts from deported to detained for months. Names of
US citizens who have been detained for months.

I never said deported. Detaining people based on the color of their skin is Nazi shit. And some have been detained for longer than just a few hours.

You’re now 0-4. Wanna keep going?

[BDKJMU]

Sure brief detentions to determine identity, citizenship or immigration status.

Now you keep moving the goalposts from deported to detained for months. Names of
US citizens who have been detained for months.

I never said deported. Detaining people based on the color of their skin is Nazi shit. And some have been detained for longer than just a few hours.

You’re now 0-4. Wanna keep going?

Proof that people are being detained solely based on the color of their skin.

Wrong, I am more like 4-0. Yes, let‘s keep going.

[kalm]

I never said deported. Detaining people based on the color of their skin is Nazi shit. And some have been detained for longer than just a few hours.

You’re now 0-4. Wanna keep going?

Proof that people are being detained solely based on the color of their skin.

Wrong, I am more like 4-0. Yes, let‘s keep going.

That’s a reach and something else I didn’t explicitly claim. Hint: There’s a scotus case over this.

0-5.

[BDKJMU]

Proof that people are being detained SOLEY based on the color of their skin.

Wrong, I am more like 4-0. Yes, let‘s keep going.

That’s a reach and something else I didn’t explicitly claim. Hint: There’s a scotus case over this.

0-5.

Reading is fundamental. I even capped and boldened it for you.

Brignoni-Ponce v US in 1975 stated that Border Patrol can‘t SOLEY use race/erhnicity as a reason to stop someone, but it can be one of several articulable factors.

Vasquez-Perdomo v Noem case simply affirmed what immigration officials have always been allowed to do. Use race a one factor, but not the sole factor (in this case 4 factors (race/ethnicity, language being spoke, location, place/type of work) that ICE/CBP was using in interior enforcement sufficed.
https://lawblog.legalmatch.com/2025/09/ ... -in-stops/

Why is race allowed to be used as one factor of several? Newsflash- go look at the all the pictures & videos of the masses the Auto Pen/Mayorkus allowed to pour across the border 2021-2024. You see a sea of black and brown. Don‘t see any white folks. Now I’m sure if look hard enough you can come up with ‘Hey there’s 1 or 2’ among a sea of brown and black. And while there are some visa overstays who are white, the overwhelming majority are black, brown, and Asian.

https://www.statista.com/chart/16701/vi ... crossings/

5-0.

[kalm]

That’s a reach and something else I didn’t explicitly claim. Hint: There’s a scotus case over this.

0-5.

Reading is fundamental. I even capped and boldened it for you.

Brignoni-Ponce v US in 1975 stated that Border Patrol can‘t SOLEY use race/erhnicity as a reason to stop someone, but it can be one of several articulable factors.

Vasquez-Perdomo v Noem case simply affirmed what immigration officials have always been allowed to do. Use race a one factor, but not the sole factor (in this case 4 factors (race/ethnicity, language being spoke, location, place/type of work) that ICE/CBP was using in interior enforcement sufficed.
https://lawblog.legalmatch.com/2025/09/ ... -in-stops/

Why is race allowed to be used as one factor of several? Newsflash- go look at the all the pictures & videos of the masses the Auto Pen/Mayorkus allowed to pour across the border 2021-2024. You see a sea of black and brown. Don‘t see any white folks. Now I’m sure if look hard enough you can come up with ‘Hey there’s 1 or 2’ among a sea of brown and black. And while there are some visa overstays who are white, the overwhelming majority are black, brown, and Asian.

https://www.statista.com/chart/16701/vi ... crossings/

5-0.

Solely was your word.

0-6

[BDKJMU]

Reading is fundamental. I even capped and boldened it for you.

Brignoni-Ponce v US in 1975 stated that Border Patrol can‘t SOLEY use race/erhnicity as a reason to stop someone, but it can be one of several articulable factors.

Vasquez-Perdomo v Noem case simply affirmed what immigration officials have always been allowed to do. Use race a one factor, but not the sole factor (in this case 4 factors (race/ethnicity, language being spoke, location, place/type of work) that ICE/CBP was using in interior enforcement sufficed.
https://lawblog.legalmatch.com/2025/09/ ... -in-stops/

Why is race allowed to be used as one factor of several? Newsflash- go look at the all the pictures & videos of the masses the Auto Pen/Mayorkus allowed to pour across the border 2021-2024. You see a sea of black and brown. Don‘t see any white folks. Now I’m sure if look hard enough you can come up with ‘Hey there’s 1 or 2’ among a sea of brown and black. And while there are some visa overstays who are white, the overwhelming majority are black, brown, and Asian.

https://www.statista.com/chart/16701/vi ... crossings/

5-0.

Solely was your word.

0-6

You said people were being detained based on the color of their skin = false.

6-0.

[kalm]

Solely was your word.

0-6

You said people were being detained based on the color of their skin = false.

6-0.

Does that always and only mean solely? Of course not.

There was a SCOTUS case on this last year. It’s been a rather obvious occurrence of ICE activity. I honestly don’t know how to help you.

0-7.

[BDKJMU]

You said people were being detained based on the color of their skin = false.

6-0.

Does that always and only mean solely? Of course not.

There was a SCOTUS case on this last year. It’s been a rather obvious occurrence of ICE activity. I honestly don’t know how to help you.

0-7.

The fact is SCOTUS allowed one of four factors to be used. None of them state ‘skin color‘ as you claimed in your OP.

7-0

[kalm]

Does that always and only mean solely? Of course not.

There was a SCOTUS case on this last year. It’s been a rather obvious occurrence of ICE activity. I honestly don’t know how to help you.

0-7.

The fact is SCOTUS allowed one of four factors to be used. None of them state ‘skin color‘ as you claimed in your OP.

7-0

Yeah…it was how they look.

0-8.

Again…if you don’t recognize what ICE has been doing you are willfully ignorant.

[BDKJMU]

The fact is SCOTUS allowed one of four factors to be used. None of them state ‘skin color‘ as you claimed in your OP.

7-0

Yeah…it was how they look.

0-8.

Again…if you don’t recognize what ICE has been doing you are willfully ignorant.

If you didn‘t recognize what Biden/Mayorkus were intentionally doing 2021-2024 you were willfully ignorant.

If you don‘t recognize what is being done now is a rational response to that, you are willfully ignorant.

8-0.

[UNI88]

Yeah…it was how they look.

0-8.

Again…if you don’t recognize what ICE has been doing you are willfully ignorant.

If you didn‘t recognize what Biden/Mayorkus were intentionally doing 2021-2024 you were willfully ignorant.

If you don‘t recognize what is being done now is a rational response to that, you are willfully ignorant.

8-0.

It appears that the majority of Americans disagree with you that it's "a rational response" and disapprove of how far the trump regime has taken things.

Americans Increasingly Disapprove of ICE's Actions

65% of Americans, up from 54% in June of 2025, think the actions of ICE have gone too far in enforcing immigration laws. 12%, down from 18%, say ICE’s actions have not gone far enough. And 22% say the actions of ICE are about right in enforcing immigration laws. This is down slightly from 26% previously.
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62% of Americans say the actions of ICE are making Americans somewhat less safe or much less safe. 37% think the actions of ICE are making Americans much more safe or somewhat more safe.
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Six in ten Americans (60%) disapprove of the job ICE is doing. 33% approve. Democrats (91%) overwhelmingly disapprove of the agency's performance, and 66% of independents agree. Nearly three in four Republicans (73%), though, approve of how ICE is doing its job.

Nearly six in ten Americans (59%) think the demonstrations around the country to oppose the actions of ICE are mostly legitimate protests. 40%, though. say the demonstrations are mostly people acting unlawfully. Again, stark partisan differences exist, with 85% of Democrats and 65% of independents reporting these demonstrations are mostly legitimate protests. 75% of Republicans say they are mostly people acting unlawfully.

Or do polls and public opinion only matter when they support what you want and think is rational?

[BDKJMU]

If you didn‘t recognize what Biden/Mayorkus were intentionally doing 2021-2024 you were willfully ignorant.

If you don‘t recognize what is being done now is a rational response to that, you are willfully ignorant.

8-0.

It appears that the majority of Americans disagree with you that it's "a rational response" and disapprove of how far the trump regime has taken things.

Americans Increasingly Disapprove of ICE's Actions

65% of Americans, up from 54% in June of 2025, think the actions of ICE have gone too far in enforcing immigration laws. 12%, down from 18%, say ICE’s actions have not gone far enough. And 22% say the actions of ICE are about right in enforcing immigration laws. This is down slightly from 26% previously.
...
62% of Americans say the actions of ICE are making Americans somewhat less safe or much less safe. 37% think the actions of ICE are making Americans much more safe or somewhat more safe.
...
Six in ten Americans (60%) disapprove of the job ICE is doing. 33% approve. Democrats (91%) overwhelmingly disapprove of the agency's performance, and 66% of independents agree. Nearly three in four Republicans (73%), though, approve of how ICE is doing its job.

Nearly six in ten Americans (59%) think the demonstrations around the country to oppose the actions of ICE are mostly legitimate protests. 40%, though. say the demonstrations are mostly people acting unlawfully. Again, stark partisan differences exist, with 85% of Democrats and 65% of independents reporting these demonstrations are mostly legitimate protests. 75% of Republicans say they are mostly people acting unlawfully.

Or do polls and public opinion only matter when they support what you want and think is rational?

Well they certainly don’t matter as much when:
-they don’t limit to registered and/or likely voters.
-they aren’t that recent.

Your poll is 60-33.
-1.5 months old
-Starts out with ‘Most Americans’. Methodology doesn’t say anything about limiting to registered and/or likely voters. Why should any pols give a shit about what people who don’t bother to vote think.

This one 52-45. Not nearly as lopsided.
-A couple weeks ago
-Starts out with ‘Most voters’.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/mos ... 00330.html
Methodology says registered and likely voters.
https://www.thecentersquare.com/polls/

[UNI88]

It appears that the majority of Americans disagree with you that it's "a rational response" and disapprove of how far the trump regime has taken things.

Americans Increasingly Disapprove of ICE's Actions

Or do polls and public opinion only matter when they support what you want and think is rational?

Well they certainly don’t matter as much when:
-they don’t limit to registered and/or likely voters.
-they aren’t that recent.

Your poll is 60-33.
-1.5 months old
-Starts out with ‘Most Americans’. Methodology doesn’t say anything about limiting to registered and/or likely voters. Why should any pols give a shit about what people who don’t bother to vote think.

This one 52-45. Not nearly as lopsided.
-A couple weeks ago
-Starts out with ‘Most voters’.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/mos ... 00330.html
Methodology says registered and likely voters.
https://www.thecentersquare.com/polls/

They only matter when they support trump and MAQA. If they don't you will dig for any excuse to minimize them. It's part of trump and MAQA arrogance to think they can change reality/rewrite history.

Public opinion matters and trump and his policies are in the toilet of public opinion for good reasons.

[BDKJMU]

Well they certainly don’t matter as much when:
-they don’t limit to registered and/or likely voters.
-they aren’t that recent.

Your poll is 60-33.
-1.5 months old
-Starts out with ‘Most Americans’. Methodology doesn’t say anything about limiting to registered and/or likely voters. Why should any pols give a shit about what people who don’t bother to vote think.

This one 52-45. Not nearly as lopsided.
-A couple weeks ago
-Starts out with ‘Most voters’.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/mos ... 00330.html
Methodology says registered and likely voters.
https://www.thecentersquare.com/polls/

They only matter when they support trump and MAQA. If they don't you will dig for any excuse to minimize them. It's part of trump and MAQA arrogance to think they can change reality/rewrite history.

Public opinion matters and trump and his policies are in the toilet of public opinion for good reasons.

Public opinion among voters matters..