US Strikes Iran Part 2.

[BDKJMU]

Well, that infrastructure act under Biden was just one of many government spending blowouts that led directly to runaway inflation, which we are still recovering from, so I don't see how that can be considered a positive accomplishment. It was easily one of his signature failures.

As for Obama, recovery from the Great Recession was anemic at best - plenty of argument that the means of recovery were in place before he even took office and certainly the slow growth throughout the Obama years was nothing to put on a resume for an accomplishment. Agree that the Affordable Care Act was a step in the right direction, agree that the Dodd Frank reform was good, certainly agree that killing bin Laden was good. However, the Iran nuclear deal was always terrible - maybe it delayed Iran by a decade in terms of nuclear advancement, but with the money that it opened up to Iran it helped to finance their direction of Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis that lead to basically constant fighting in that region ever since. You can argue that what we're doing now is in response to the chaos that deal allowed to happen. And lastly, if Obama can be credited with making Trump decide to make a run in politics that too is a failure - doing something that's led to two terms of a Trump presidency cannot in anyway be considered a good thing.

“Infrastructure spending leads directly to runaway inflation”?

So many questions….

Should we wait for a recession before increasing spending on infrastructure? Defer maintenance and capital projects until the shit horse fan?

How about long term economic benefits from infrastructure spending? Do those counterbalance temporary inflation?

See my previous post.
450 billion in real infrastructure = good
750 billion in leftist pork like New Green Scam= bad.

[kalm]

“Infrastructure spending leads directly to runaway inflation”?

So many questions….

Should we wait for a recession before increasing spending on infrastructure? Defer maintenance and capital projects until the shit horse fan?

How about long term economic benefits from infrastructure spending? Do those counterbalance temporary inflation?

See my previous post.
450 billion in real infrastructure = good
750 billion in leftist pork like New Green Scam= bad.

China is kicking our ass in this regard with energy production, manufacturing, and transportation. We need to catch up.

[UNI88]

I included the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act because it was somewhat of an investment in infrastructure which is much better than throwing money at things with little to no long-term return. Out of all of biden's (and trump's) contribution to runaway inflation it had more long-term benefits.

For Obama: I put a caveat on the recovery from the recession and a question mark after the Iran nuclear deal for good reasons.

The underlying point is that biden and Obama did have accomplishments just like trump has. I've given trump credit for what I think he's done well. Can CH or other MAQA yahoos say the same about biden or Obama? Yet, I'm the one who supposedly has _DS?

Lawl Biden’s 1.2 TRILLION pork laden infrastructure bill mostly threw $$$ at things with little to no long-term return. Even a friendly fact check acknowledged only 18% was for brick and mortar, and 38% could be called real infrastructure. The rest, like the New Green Scam, was a pork laden leftist wish list that just poured more gasoline on the inflation fire.
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-doe ... ms-1647063

If the bill had just been the 450 billion (ish) that was real infrastructure, and had jettisoned the other 3/4 of a trillion, then there‘d be an argument it was a good long term bill.

How much is trump's fossil fuel scam throwing at old fashioned energy sources? His regime's expenditures have been a pork laden rightist wish list that poured dirty gasoline on the fraud/corruption/debt fire.

I don't think investing in green technology is a bad thing. And it's no more of a scam or pork laden then giving breaks to fossil fuel companies.

[SeattleGriz]

There are no playing games. Obama had four years as did Biden to release them. The only reason they are a big deal is because it's the latest in the LONG line of "get Trump" hysteria that has netted zilch.

Trump severed relations with Epstein around 2007 and was the only person to help the lawyer of the victims.

Sorry the people you look up to have been outed as sleazebags.

Dork. The files were under sealed due to the Maxwell prosecution.

And Obama? Epstein had just been convicted. Why don’t you ask Bush how they missed so many additional crimes?

Regardless, the DOJ was supposed to be independent of the executive. Remember that?

Now run along and find some more outdated alt right bullshit excuses.

Yes, like that ever stopped Obama and Biden from leaking. Give me a break.

As for DOJ independence, why don't you ask Obama's wingman about that?

[SeattleGriz]

Yep.
-Obama DOJ didn’t charge Epstein for the crimes Epstein committed while Obama was in office.

-Trump I DOJ CHARGED Epstein

Biden DOJ had the same files for FOUR years.

So the TDS Tinfoil Hat Twins believe there’s a smoking gun against Trump in those files, which means that:
-the Biden regime, who was DESPERATE to get Trump, and who tried to bankrupt and imprison him for the rest of his life.
-had possession of a smoking gun against Trump in those files for fours years, but chose not to use against that Trump, so in case Trump beat Kalmala, they could then say ‘release the files!’

QUNI88, Kalmala, and the rest of the TDSers

Using your own logic:

• trump has been POTUS for 13+ months,
• if he had possession of a smoking gun against biden, charges would have been filed and/or information leaked.
• His failure to do so is indisputable proof that biden is neither a pedophile or a criminal.

Now it's time for you, CH, SG etc. to put your money where your mouth is and either stop calling biden a pedo and/or criminal or to stop whining about trump's epstein allegations. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.

Says the guy who trots out "26+ women" at every opportunity. How many of those 26+ went to court and got Trump convicted?

You need to get over Trump's weiner.

[SeattleGriz]

Okay, back to Iran. Not sure what to think about this. I'm still of the belief that the US mostly has boutique weapons and thus not too many. On the other side, Iran has tons of cheap drones and missiles. Don't know if it will happen, but Iran could overwhelm interceptor defenses because they have so much cheap weaponry and the missile defense system usually fires multiple interceptors for one incoming.

I guess we'll see in about 14 days if the US pulls back and Trump claims mission accomplished when it really isn't.

With that being said, Iran got worked pretty bad the last time, so my sources were wrong.

[SeattleGriz]

Okay, back to Iran. Not sure what to think about this. I'm still of the belief that the US mostly has boutique weapons and thus not too many. On the other side, Iran has tons of cheap drones and missiles. Don't know if it will happen, but Iran could overwhelm interceptor defenses because they have so much cheap weaponry and the missile defense system usually fires multiple interceptors for one incoming.

I guess we'll see in about 14 days if the US pulls back and Trump claims mission accomplished when it really isn't.

With that being said, Iran got worked pretty bad the last time, so my sources were wrong. Of course, the media blackout Israel and the US have implemented makes it difficult to assess what really happened.

[BDKJMU]

Lawl Biden’s 1.2 TRILLION pork laden infrastructure bill mostly threw $$$ at things with little to no long-term return. Even a friendly fact check acknowledged only 18% was for brick and mortar, and 38% could be called real infrastructure. The rest, like the New Green Scam, was a pork laden leftist wish list that just poured more gasoline on the inflation fire.
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-doe ... ms-1647063

If the bill had just been the 450 billion (ish) that was real infrastructure, and had jettisoned the other 3/4 of a trillion, then there‘d be an argument it was a good long term bill.

How much is trump's fossil fuel scam throwing at old fashioned energy sources? His regime's expenditures have been a pork laden rightist wish list that poured dirty gasoline on the fraud/corruption/debt fire.

I don't think investing in green technology is a bad thing. And it's no more of a scam or pork laden then giving breaks to fossil fuel companies.

What pray tell is Trump‘s fossil fuel scam?

The energy sources you call old fashioned are proven to provide more energy for less than renewables.

What breaks have fossil fuel companies gotten that aren‘t available every other company in America?

[SeattleGriz]

How much is trump's fossil fuel scam throwing at old fashioned energy sources? His regime's expenditures have been a pork laden rightist wish list that poured dirty gasoline on the fraud/corruption/debt fire.

I don't think investing in green technology is a bad thing. And it's no more of a scam or pork laden then giving breaks to fossil fuel companies.

What pray tell is Trump‘s fossil fuel scam?

The energy sources you call old fashioned are proven to provide more energy for less than renewables.

What breaks have fossil fuel companies gotten that aren‘t available every other company in America?

See, I'll never understand how people expect a huge jump from one technology to the other. What is wrong with subsidies to help innovate the current fossil fuels and provide some for green energy?.

I am stunned at how people believe a false dichotomy choice here. It's not one or the other, it's both until the new capability is created.

[UNI88]

How much is trump's fossil fuel scam throwing at old fashioned energy sources? His regime's expenditures have been a pork laden rightist wish list that poured dirty gasoline on the fraud/corruption/debt fire.

I don't think investing in green technology is a bad thing. And it's no more of a scam or pork laden then giving breaks to fossil fuel companies.

What pray tell is Trump‘s fossil fuel scam?

The energy sources you call old fashioned are proven to provide more energy for less than renewables.

What breaks have fossil fuel companies gotten that aren‘t available every other company in America?

Aggressive Regulatory Rollbacks and Exemptions

Tax Breaks and Subsidies That Heavily Favor Oil & Gas

Policy Exemptions & Sector-Specific Advantages including tariffs


Proven technologies shouldn't need government pork of any kind. They should be able to stand on their own.


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[UNI88]

What pray tell is Trump‘s fossil fuel scam?

The energy sources you call old fashioned are proven to provide more energy for less than renewables.

What breaks have fossil fuel companies gotten that aren‘t available every other company in America?

See, I'll never understand how people expect a huge jump from one technology to the other. What is wrong with subsidies to help innovate the current fossil fuels and provide some for green energy?.

I am stunned at how people believe a false dichotomy choice here. It's not one or the other, it's both until the new capability is created.

We shouldn't be giving the breaks to the existing technology while denying them to new technologies.Thats foolish.


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[UNI88]

[Caribbean Hen]

I have asked several times what Joey did for his country that was actually good and have only heard coquis

biden accomplishments:
- Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act
- CHIPS and Science Act

Obama accomplishments:
- Recovery from the Great Recession (could have been handled better but he didn't botch it like trump did COVID)
- Affordable Care Act (not perfect but better than what we had before and was improved by taking away the mandate)
- Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act
- Osama bin Laden killed
- Iran nuclear deal?
- made trump so jealous that he's constantly chasing his legacy

That was good

Obama didn’t do a thing to ignite the economy and had the benefit of having the lowest interest rates of all time like zero % …. And actually told Americans those businesses you’re running are really not your businesses …

The only thing JoJo did that was actually good was to be stupid enough to ensure his little darling Camilla was not gonna to get elected…. Joe Biden has a long history of being wrong even before he was president. So thank you Joe for being dumb

[UNI88]

biden accomplishments:
- Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act
- CHIPS and Science Act

Obama accomplishments:
- Recovery from the Great Recession (could have been handled better but he didn't botch it like trump did COVID)
- Affordable Care Act (not perfect but better than what we had before and was improved by taking away the mandate)
- Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act
- Osama bin Laden killed
- Iran nuclear deal?
- made trump so jealous that he's constantly chasing his legacy

That was good

Obama didn’t do a thing to ignite the economy and had the benefit of having the lowest interest rates of all time like zero % …. And actually told Americans those businesses you’re running are really not your businesses …

The only thing JoJo did that was actually good was to be stupid enough to ensure his little darling Camilla was not gonna to get elected…. Joe Biden has a long history of being wrong even before he was president. So thank you Joe for being dumb

biden had one other massive accomplishment - he kicked the living crap out of the Republican's loser candidate for POTUS in the 2020 election.

[GannonFan]

That was good

Obama didn’t do a thing to ignite the economy and had the benefit of having the lowest interest rates of all time like zero % …. And actually told Americans those businesses you’re running are really not your businesses …

The only thing JoJo did that was actually good was to be stupid enough to ensure his little darling Camilla was not gonna to get elected…. Joe Biden has a long history of being wrong even before he was president. So thank you Joe for being dumb

biden had one other massive accomplishment - he kicked the living crap out of the Republican's loser candidate for POTUS in the 2020 election.

Negated by the fact that his desperate trying to hang on to office despite not being able to do the job anymore, coupled with an election strategy of making sure Trump was the opponent and then trying to time certain court cases to hit in the election year that ultimately didn't pan out, led to that same loser candidate now winning the 2024 election. You could argue that Trump's second term coming right after the first term would've been tamer and less disruptive than Trump's second term coming after having time to fume in between terms. If Biden gets credit for keeping Trump out of office in the 2020 election he gets even more blame for sticking around and making it more likely for Trump to win the 2024 election. It's a net negative for Biden on this front.

[BDKJMU]

What pray tell is Trump‘s fossil fuel scam?

The energy sources you call old fashioned are proven to provide more energy for less than renewables.

What breaks have fossil fuel companies gotten that aren‘t available every other company in America?

Aggressive Regulatory Rollbacks and Exemptions

Tax Breaks and Subsidies That Heavily Favor Oil & Gas

Policy Exemptions & Sector-Specific Advantages including tariffs

Proven technologies shouldn't need government pork of any kind. They should be able to stand on their own.

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You mean rollbacks of regulations slapped on by Obama and Biden? So returning to the rules of 20 years ago.

Big Oil operates under the same tax rules as Big Tech, Big Phara, Big This, and Big that. There are no subsidies ie direct payments to the oil companies.

You mean exemptions from policies put in place by Obama and Biden?

[BDKJMU]

That was good

Obama didn’t do a thing to ignite the economy and had the benefit of having the lowest interest rates of all time like zero % …. And actually told Americans those businesses you’re running are really not your businesses …

The only thing JoJo did that was actually good was to be stupid enough to ensure his little darling Camilla was not gonna to get elected…. Joe Biden has a long history of being wrong even before he was president. So thank you Joe for being dumb

biden had one other massive accomplishment - he kicked the living crap out of the Republican's loser candidate for POTUS in the 2020 election.

And Biden had an even BIGGER accomplishment. Was so bad 2021-2024 he ensured Trump would be reelected for 2024! Trump 2025-2028 is FAR more preferable and is getting far more accomplished than he would have 2021-2024.

Thank you Joe!

[UNI88]

Aggressive Regulatory Rollbacks and Exemptions

Tax Breaks and Subsidies That Heavily Favor Oil & Gas

Policy Exemptions & Sector-Specific Advantages including tariffs

Proven technologies shouldn't need government pork of any kind. They should be able to stand on their own.

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You mean rollbacks of regulations slapped on by Obama and Biden? So returning to the rules of 20 years ago.

Big Oil operates under the same tax rules as Big Tech, Big Phara, Big This, and Big that. There are no subsidies ie direct payments to the oil companies.

You mean exemptions from policies put in place by Obama and Biden?

Since January 2025, the current administration has handed fossil fuel companies sector-specific tax breaks, regulatory rollbacks, and expanded federal leases that most other industries don’t get.

IRS awards $370M tax break to LNG exporter Cheniere

EPA Pulls Trigger on Greenhouse Gas Regulatory Rollbacks

Most US coal plants could meet air pollution rules. Trump weakened them anyway

US to auction oil and gas drilling rights in Alaska's Cook Inlet

These don't even get into the breaks that Big Oil and other fossil fuels get that Big _____ doesn't.

[UNI88]

biden had one other massive accomplishment - he kicked the living crap out of the Republican's loser candidate for POTUS in the 2020 election.

Negated by the fact that his desperate trying to hang on to office despite not being able to do the job anymore, coupled with an election strategy of making sure Trump was the opponent and then trying to time certain court cases to hit in the election year that ultimately didn't pan out, led to that same loser candidate now winning the 2024 election. You could argue that Trump's second term coming right after the first term would've been tamer and less disruptive than Trump's second term coming after having time to fume in between terms. If Biden gets credit for keeping Trump out of office in the 2020 election he gets even more blame for sticking around and making it more likely for Trump to win the 2024 election. It's a net negative for Biden on this front.

Agree 100%!

biden's negatives/failures far outweigh his positives/accomplishments.

[kalm]

Negated by the fact that his desperate trying to hang on to office despite not being able to do the job anymore, coupled with an election strategy of making sure Trump was the opponent and then trying to time certain court cases to hit in the election year that ultimately didn't pan out, led to that same loser candidate now winning the 2024 election. You could argue that Trump's second term coming right after the first term would've been tamer and less disruptive than Trump's second term coming after having time to fume in between terms. If Biden gets credit for keeping Trump out of office in the 2020 election he gets even more blame for sticking around and making it more likely for Trump to win the 2024 election. It's a net negative for Biden on this front.

Agree 100%!

biden's negatives/failures far outweigh his positives/accomplishments.

Fair, but I haven’t seen anything suggesting manipulation of the timing of court cases. The blame, at least from independent media, lies with Garland for not pushing the cases immediately.

That’s not to say there wasn’t a strategy but if so, it indeed was poorly conceived and executed.

[UNI88]

Agree 100%!

biden's negatives/failures far outweigh his positives/accomplishments.

Fair, but I haven’t seen anything suggesting manipulation of the timing of court cases. The blame, at least from independent media, lies with Garland for not pushing the cases immediately.

That’s not to say there wasn’t a strategy but if so, it indeed was poorly conceived and executed.

I shouldn't have said I agree 100% - the timing might have been intentional or it might have been garland, smith and the DoJ moving at a snail's pace. To definitively state that it was intentional is speculative.

[BDKJMU]

You mean rollbacks of regulations slapped on by Obama and Biden? So returning to the rules of 20 years ago.

Big Oil operates under the same tax rules as Big Tech, Big Phara, Big This, and Big that. There are no subsidies ie direct payments to the oil companies.

You mean exemptions from policies put in place by Obama and Biden?

Since January 2025, the current administration has handed fossil fuel companies sector-specific tax breaks, regulatory rollbacks, and expanded federal leases that most other industries don’t get.

IRS awards $370M tax break to LNG exporter Cheniere

EPA Pulls Trigger on Greenhouse Gas Regulatory Rollbacks

Most US coal plants could meet air pollution rules. Trump weakened them anyway

US to auction oil and gas drilling rights in Alaska's Cook Inlet

These don't even get into the breaks that Big Oil and other fossil fuels get that Big _____ doesn't.

IRS awards $370M tax break to LNG exporter Cheniere

So LNG, an alternative fuel, is being allowed to operate under the same tax rules as other alternative fuels.

EPA Pulls Trigger on Greenhouse Gas Regulatory Rollbacks

Rollback of an Obama regulation put in place in 2009. Like I said, you mean rollbacks of regulations slapped on by Obama and Biden. So returning to the rules of 20 years ago.

Most US coal plants could meet air pollution rules. Trump weakened them anyway

Rollback of an Obama regulation put in place in 2012. Like I said, you mean rollbacks of regulations slapped on by Obama and Biden. So returning to the rules of 20 years ago.

US to auction oil and gas drilling rights in Alaska's Cook Inlet

Not an expansion of federal leases. Cook Inlet has had oil leases going back to 1959. Since then leases have been given, they‘ve expired, and new leases have been granted. This is just a continuation of that.

[UNI88]

Since January 2025, the current administration has handed fossil fuel companies sector-specific tax breaks, regulatory rollbacks, and expanded federal leases that most other industries don’t get.

IRS awards $370M tax break to LNG exporter Cheniere

EPA Pulls Trigger on Greenhouse Gas Regulatory Rollbacks

Most US coal plants could meet air pollution rules. Trump weakened them anyway

US to auction oil and gas drilling rights in Alaska's Cook Inlet

These don't even get into the breaks that Big Oil and other fossil fuels get that Big _____ doesn't.

IRS awards $370M tax break to LNG exporter Cheniere

So LNG, an alternative fuel, is being allowed to operate under the same tax rules as other alternative fuels.

EPA Pulls Trigger on Greenhouse Gas Regulatory Rollbacks

Rollback of an Obama regulation put in place in 2009. Like I said, you mean rollbacks of regulations slapped on by Obama and Biden. So returning to the rules of 20 years ago.

Most US coal plants could meet air pollution rules. Trump weakened them anyway

Rollback of an Obama regulation put in place in 2012. Like I said, you mean rollbacks of regulations slapped on by Obama and Biden. So returning to the rules of 20 years ago.

US to auction oil and gas drilling rights in Alaska's Cook Inlet

Not an expansion of federal leases. The Fed govt has been giving leasing in Alaska for over half a century.

[SeattleGriz]

See, I'll never understand how people expect a huge jump from one technology to the other. What is wrong with subsidies to help innovate the current fossil fuels and provide some for green energy?.

I am stunned at how people believe a false dichotomy choice here. It's not one or the other, it's both until the new capability is created.

We shouldn't be giving the breaks to the existing technology while denying them to new technologies.Thats foolish.


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An example of what I'm saying is hybrid vehicles. They were needed to get to full electric cars. While we wait for the full green technology to operate the way we hope, we should be investing on the existing technology side to close that gap. Making fossil fuel usage as efficient as possible. No business would be able to survive without incremental improvements.

[BDKJMU]

So LNG, an alternative fuel, is being allowed to operate under the same tax rules as other alternative fuels.

Rollback of an Obama regulation put in place in 2009. Like I said, you mean rollbacks of regulations slapped on by Obama and Biden. So returning to the rules of 20 years ago.


Rollback of an Obama regulation put in place in 2012. Like I said, you mean rollbacks of regulations slapped on by Obama and Biden. So returning to the rules of 20 years ago.


Not an expansion of federal leases. The Fed govt has been giving leasing in Alaska for over half a century.

Translation:
-Oil and Natural Gas operate under the same tax rules as other industries.
-The only regulations Trump is rolling back are ones put in place by Obama and Biden.
-Oil & Natural gas leases are going on in Alaska as they have going back to 1959, including Cook Inlet, the year Alaska gained statehood.

You have nothing.