The Ukraine Crisis

[Caribbean Hen]

SG, my instincts tell me you are one of the few trusted sources on here.

In the very beginning, I stated due to the stretching of truth during Covid that I was going to take the exact opposite of what our media tells us about Ukraine.

Been an interesting journey as it's brought me to sources I would have waved off as too liberal in the past.

What I've found are people that are actually familiar with both sides of the conversation, but more importantly, people that are willing to actually travel over to Russia and Ukraine and perform real journalism unlike WaPo and many Western sources that get fed what to say.

My favorite was when I quoted one of these sites during the initial stages of the SMO because they had a reporter on the ground who spoke the local languages. The reporter essentially said those that had the means (money) were able to get out quickly and go where they wanted. A truth we all pretty much know.

That got me labeled as Putin's puppet.

I'm not happy about the war at all because it's fucking brutal and no one deserves that. I love the US and understand we need to play geopolitics to protect ourselves and the future, but holy shit did we break a lot of eggs making this omelet. Ukraine is paying that price.

I really like your objectivity!

It’s like an unwritten rule, if you don’t like Trump, you must love The Ukraine, no questions asked or even allowed without exception.

I think a lot of that mentality is a result of the criminal Democratic scam of creating a false narrative about Trump and Russia to not only keep him out of office, but to undermine his first term.

They have effectively tied Trump and Russia together and what that means is everybody who hates Trump loves The Ukraine. Our corrupt media definitely played a huge role in pushing the fake Russia, Russia, Russia narrative like physiological fertilizer growing the phenomena of Trump bad Russia bad… Ukraine totally innocent

[kalm]

This is truly idiotic. Even for a Putin fanboi like Trump.

For a moment, Donald Trump seemed to have seen the light on Ukraine. After promising “severe consequences” in August if Vladimir Putin continued to obstruct ceasefire talks – but then doing nothing as Putin did just that – Trump finally on 22 October imposed significant sanctions on Russia’s two largest oil companies, Rosneft and Lukoil, seriously compromising Putin’s ability to finance his invasion. But now, with his 28-point peace plan for Ukraine, drafted by US and Russian officials without Ukrainian or European participation, Trump has reverted to his pro-Putin norm.

Trump’s plan would reward Putin for invading Ukraine while leaving Ukraine’s democracy in jeopardy. The plan’s ringing proclamation that “Ukraine’s sovereignty will be confirmed” rings hollow when so much of the plan compromises that sovereignty. A Kremlin dream, the plan would be a Ukrainian nightmare.

Betraying his real-estate background, Trump continues to treat the Ukrainian conflict as a mere territorial dispute, as if handing Putin a chunk of Ukrainian land will satisfy the despot. But Putin’s war is not about controlling a charred swath of deindustrialized territory in eastern Ukraine. It is about Ukraine’s democracy – and Putin’s desire to snuff it out so it no longer serves as an enticing model for the Russian people of the accountable government that Putin’s deepening dictatorship denies them.

While freezing in place the divided Ukrainian provinces of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia, Trump’s plan would force Ukraine to abandon all of Donetsk province. Beyond rewarding Russia with territory that its forces have been unable to seize in more than a decade of fighting, this surrender would leave Ukrainian defenses perilously weakened.

Donetsk is the location of Ukraine’s much-vaunted “fortress belt”, the entrenched defensive positions that are a key obstacle to Russian advances. Trump would have Ukraine abandon these defenses, leaving Putin a clear path to Kyiv should he later choose to resume the war.


Then, in a move that would make renewed fighting easier for Russia, Trump would require Ukraine to diminish the size of its armed forces from their current 800,000 to 850,000 troops to a maximum of 600,000. Trump’s plan places no such limits on Russian forces.

In an apparent sop to Putin’s efforts to portray Ukraine’s democratically elected government as a bunch of Nazis, Trump’s plan proclaims: “All Nazi ideology and activities must be rejected and prohibited.” As if to underscore the point, it insists that “Ukraine will hold elections in 100 days” of a ceasefire agreement. Trump imposes no requirement that Putin jeopardize his dictatorship by holding elections in Russia.

[Skjellyfetti]

HALIFAX, Nova Scotia (AP) — U.S. senators critical of President Donald Trump’s approach to ending the Russia-Ukraine war said Saturday they spoke with U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio who told them that the peace plan Trump is pushing Kyiv to accept is a “wish list” of the Russians and not the actual U.S. plan.

The 28-point peace plan was crafted by the Trump administration and the Kremlin without Ukraine’s involvement. It acquiesces to many Russian demands that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has categorically rejected on dozens of occasions, including giving up large pieces of territory. Trump says he wants Ukraine to accept the plan by late next week.

https://www.wral.com/news/ap/6041a-us-s ... a-us-plan/

[kalm]

HALIFAX, Nova Scotia (AP) — U.S. senators critical of President Donald Trump’s approach to ending the Russia-Ukraine war said Saturday they spoke with U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio who told them that the peace plan Trump is pushing Kyiv to accept is a “wish list” of the Russians and not the actual U.S. plan.

The 28-point peace plan was crafted by the Trump administration and the Kremlin without Ukraine’s involvement. It acquiesces to many Russian demands that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has categorically rejected on dozens of occasions, including giving up large pieces of territory. Trump says he wants Ukraine to accept the plan by late next week.

https://www.wral.com/news/ap/6041a-us-s ... a-us-plan/

Not that’s he’s supporting Putin or anything. Good god this dude is a turd.

[Caribbean Hen]

https://www.wral.com/news/ap/6041a-us-s ... a-us-plan/

Not that’s he’s supporting Putin or anything. Good god this dude is a turd.

If you keep begging for World War III, you might be driving your sons to the post office before long

[kalm]

Not that’s he’s supporting Putin or anything. Good god this dude is a turd.

If you keep begging for World War III, you might be driving your sons to the post office before long

Agreeing with Trump is not a good look CH. the whole world except MAGA knows who started the war. It wasn’t a mystery.

Putin could start WWIII and Trump would still blame UKR.

[SeattleGriz]

https://www.wral.com/news/ap/6041a-us-s ... a-us-plan/

Not that’s he’s supporting Putin or anything. Good god this dude is a turd.

Apparently you didn't bother to read that Zelensky and many others in his government just got caught embezzling millions if not billions just so they could keep sending more kids into the meat grinder.

Buts this yet another tribal bitching point. You've always been against stopping the deaths.

[kalm]

Not that’s he’s supporting Putin or anything. Good god this dude is a turd.

Apparently you didn't bother to read that Zelensky and many others in his government just got caught embezzling millions if not billions just so they could keep sending more kids into the meat grinder.

Buts this yet another tribal bitching point. You've always been against stopping the deaths.

Making our own Embezzler in Chief’s words even more ironic if true.

[kalm]

The JV team of foreign policy negotiators think Putin is a good guy.

[SeattleGriz]

Apparently you didn't bother to read that Zelensky and many others in his government just got caught embezzling millions if not billions just so they could keep sending more kids into the meat grinder.

Buts this yet another tribal bitching point. You've always been against stopping the deaths.

Making our own Embezzler in Chief’s words even more ironic if true.

You had no idea Ukrainian was busted, did you. You can admit you don't pay attention, nor care for the Ukrainians, unless it involves Trump. Not a good look.

[kalm]

Making our own Embezzler in Chief’s words even more ironic if true.

You had no idea Ukrainian was busted, did you. You can admit you don't pay attention, nor care for the Ukrainians, unless it involves Trump. Not a good look.

Yawn.

I was aware but I didn’t do a deep dive nor am I worried. It will get worked out. It’s not as if it would even come close to the corruption in Russia’s or own own government.

[BDKJMU]

HALIFAX, Nova Scotia (AP) — U.S. senators critical of President Donald Trump’s approach to ending the Russia-Ukraine war said Saturday they spoke with U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio who told them that the peace plan Trump is pushing Kyiv to accept is a “wish list” of the Russians and not the actual U.S. plan.

The 28-point peace plan was crafted by the Trump administration and the Kremlin without Ukraine’s involvement. It acquiesces to many Russian demands that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has categorically rejected on dozens of occasions, including giving up large pieces of territory. Trump says he wants Ukraine to accept the plan by late next week.

https://www.wral.com/news/ap/6041a-us-s ... a-us-plan/

Newsflash: Ukraine is going to have to give up large pieces of territory.

[SeattleGriz]

You had no idea Ukrainian was busted, did you. You can admit you don't pay attention, nor care for the Ukrainians, unless it involves Trump. Not a good look.

Yawn.

I was aware but I didn’t do a deep dive nor am I worried. It will get worked out. It’s not as if it would even come close to the corruption in Russia’s or own own government.

UNI "lazy ass" reply. You didn't know shit and "working it out" means amnesty for pieces of shit profiting off this war, including your boy Zelensky. Not a good, nor informed look.

[kalm]

Yawn.

I was aware but I didn’t do a deep dive nor am I worried. It will get worked out. It’s not as if it would even come close to the corruption in Russia’s or own own government.

UNI "lazy ass" reply. You didn't know shit and "working it out" means amnesty for pieces of shit profiting off this war, including your boy Zelensky. Not a good, nor informed look.

There’s corruption. So let’s keep bombing the shit out of them………not a good luck. “ Informed “ waved by by to you years ago, Putin boy.

Let me guess…the Trump - Wittkopf peace proposal is fair in your eyes, huh? Isn’t it?

[SeattleGriz]

UNI "lazy ass" reply. You didn't know shit and "working it out" means amnesty for pieces of shit profiting off this war, including your boy Zelensky. Not a good, nor informed look.

There’s corruption. So let’s keep bombing the shit out of them………not a good luck. “ Informed “ waved by by to you years ago, Putin boy.

Let me guess…the Trump - Wittkopf peace proposal is fair in your eyes, huh? Isn’t it?

In bed with an embezzling sleaze bag who puts Ukrainians in a meat grinder for kickbacks. Not a good look. Would you like to tell us about Zelensky tried to knee cap the investigative group with a bill and then reversed course after public outcry.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/uk ... 025-11-25/

KYIV, Nov 25 (Reuters) - Investigators in Ukraine could bring new charges in a sweeping probe into high-level graft that has fuelled the country's worst wartime political crisis, the country's top anti-corruption officer said on Tuesday.
The case involving an alleged $100 million kickback scheme at the state nuclear power agency has angered the public and sparked calls from both the opposition and President Volodymyr Zelenskiy's own party for a tougher response.

[UNI88]

There’s corruption. So let’s keep bombing the shit out of them………not a good luck. “ Informed “ waved by by to you years ago, Putin boy.

Let me guess…the Trump - Wittkopf peace proposal is fair in your eyes, huh? Isn’t it?

In bed with an embezzling sleaze bag who puts Ukrainians in a meat grinder for kickbacks. Not a good look. Would you like to tell us about Zelensky tried to knee cap the investigative group with a bill and then reversed course after public outcry.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/uk ... 025-11-25/

KYIV, Nov 25 (Reuters) - Investigators in Ukraine could bring new charges in a sweeping probe into high-level graft that has fuelled the country's worst wartime political crisis, the country's top anti-corruption officer said on Tuesday.
The case involving an alleged $100 million kickback scheme at the state nuclear power agency has angered the public and sparked calls from both the opposition and President Volodymyr Zelenskiy's own party for a tougher response.

On the bright side, at least they can and do investigate corruption in Ukraine unlike in russia (or trump’s executive branch).


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[Caribbean Hen]

Yawn.

I was aware but I didn’t do a deep dive nor am I worried. It will get worked out. It’s not as if it would even come close to the corruption in Russia’s or own own government.

UNI "lazy ass" reply. You didn't know shit and "working it out" means amnesty for pieces of shit profiting off this war, including your boy Zelensky. Not a good, nor informed look.

These guys were all fine with Putin until Trump came along

[kalm]

In bed with an embezzling sleaze bag who puts Ukrainians in a meat grinder for kickbacks. Not a good look. Would you like to tell us about Zelensky tried to knee cap the investigative group with a bill and then reversed course after public outcry.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/uk ... 025-11-25/

On the bright side, at least they can and do investigate corruption in Ukraine unlike in russia (or trump’s executive branch).


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[kalm]

UNI "lazy ass" reply. You didn't know shit and "working it out" means amnesty for pieces of shit profiting off this war, including your boy Zelensky. Not a good, nor informed look.

These guys were all fine with Putin until Trump came along

Unlike you who were an anti-war protesting, air-cooled VW driving, lefty?

Until Trump came along?

[Caribbean Hen]

These guys were all fine with Putin until Trump came along

Unlike you who were an anti-war protesting, air-cooled VW driving, lefty?

Until Trump came along?

Ok squirrel

If you can’t see how the medias fake Russia, Russia, Russia, narrative against Trump has swayed almost every Democrat to flag waving Ukraine lovers. I don’t know what to tell you dummy

It’s OK not to like Putin but it’s takes two to tango

And after the media TKO of all liberal brains, nobody is even allowed to ask honest questions about what’s going on over there without being branded a Putin lover

[kalm]

Unlike you who were an anti-war protesting, air-cooled VW driving, lefty?

Until Trump came along?

Ok squirrel

If you can’t see how the medias fake Russia, Russia, Russia, narrative against Trump has swayed almost every Democrat to flag waving Ukraine lovers. I don’t know what to tell you dummy

It’s OK not to like Putin but it’s takes two to tango

And after the media TKO of all liberal brains, nobody is even allowed to ask honest questions about what’s going on over there without being branded a Putin lover

Cry me a river. You’re defending a ruthless and murderous aggressor who starts wars with neighboring countries and the pedophile wannabe dictator who’s fawned over him for years.

Remember…while collusion wasn’t proven to the level of impeachment, the Mueller investigation did find that Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election to benefit Donald Trump's candidacy. 34 charged with 8 convictions came out of it.

Them’s the facts. I’m on solid ground here. You deal in right wing media based suppositions only.

[Caribbean Hen]

Ok squirrel

If you can’t see how the medias fake Russia, Russia, Russia, narrative against Trump has swayed almost every Democrat to flag waving Ukraine lovers. I don’t know what to tell you dummy

It’s OK not to like Putin but it’s takes two to tango

And after the media TKO of all liberal brains, nobody is even allowed to ask honest questions about what’s going on over there without being branded a Putin lover

Cry me a river. You’re defending a ruthless and murderous aggressor who starts wars with neighboring countries and the pedophile wannabe dictator who’s fawned over him for years.

Remember…while collusion wasn’t proven to the level of impeachment, the Mueller investigation did find that Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election to benefit Donald Trump's candidacy. 34 charged with 8 convictions came out of it.

Them’s the facts. I’m on solid ground here. You deal in right wing media based suppositions only.

So I’m right !

[kalm]

Cry me a river. You’re defending a ruthless and murderous aggressor who starts wars with neighboring countries and the pedophile wannabe dictator who’s fawned over him for years.

Remember…while collusion wasn’t proven to the level of impeachment, the Mueller investigation did find that Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election to benefit Donald Trump's candidacy. 34 charged with 8 convictions came out of it.

Them’s the facts. I’m on solid ground here. You deal in right wing media based suppositions only.

So I’m right !

Yes…you’re quite skilled at turning every embarrassing defeat into victory. Thatta boy!

[UNI88]

Cry me a river. You’re defending a ruthless and murderous aggressor who starts wars with neighboring countries and the pedophile wannabe dictator who’s fawned over him for years.

Remember…while collusion wasn’t proven to the level of impeachment, the Mueller investigation did find that Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election to benefit Donald Trump's candidacy. 34 charged with 8 convictions came out of it.

Them’s the facts. I’m on solid ground here. You deal in right wing media based suppositions only.

So I’m right !

Thank you Thomas E. Dewey.

[Caribbean Hen]

So I’m right !

Yes…you’re quite skilled at turning every embarrassing defeat into victory. Thatta boy!

Winning !