Israel-Palestine Drama Thread

[Caribbean Hen]

Just because you don’t agree with my post, doesn’t make them forgettable

I would suspect your addiction to marijuana has a lot to do with it

Your obsession with kalm's marijuana use is just weird.

Does Kalms MJ uses contribute to his bad memory? Or worse?

I’m actually concerned about him

[kalm]

Your obsession with kalm's marijuana use is just weird.

Does Kalms MJ uses contribute to his bad memory? Or worse?

I’m actually concerned about him

I’m fine. Weed isn’t the issue. Look up hepatic encephalopathy to see what causes my memory issues.

[Caribbean Hen]

Does Kalms MJ uses contribute to his bad memory? Or worse?

I’m actually concerned about him

I’m fine. Weed isn’t the issue. Look up hepatic encephalopathy to see what causes my memory issues.

I still think it’s mostly because of your marijuana usage, weed causes basically the same short term memory issues as hepatic encephalopathy. If marijuana is making you feel better though, light one up.

THC, the psychoactive compound in marijuana, interferes with how the hippocampus (the brain’s memory center) processes and stores new information.
• As a result, users may have trouble remembering recent events, learning new information, or concentrating for several hours after using marijuana.

Long-term or frequent use
• Regular users — especially daily or near-daily users — may show persistent short-term memory deficits even when not actively high.
• Studies using brain imaging show reduced hippocampal volume and altered brain connectivity in long-term users.
• These effects tend to improve after several weeks of abstinence, but heavy, long-term users might not fully recover baseline memory function.

[kalm]

I’m fine. Weed isn’t the issue. Look up hepatic encephalopathy to see what causes my memory issues.

I still think it’s mostly because of your marijuana usage, weed causes basically the same short term memory issues as hepatic encephalopathy. If marijuana is making you feel better though, light one up.

THC, the psychoactive compound in marijuana, interferes with how the hippocampus (the brain’s memory center) processes and stores new information.
• As a result, users may have trouble remembering recent events, learning new information, or concentrating for several hours after using marijuana.

Long-term or frequent use
• Regular users — especially daily or near-daily users — may show persistent short-term memory deficits even when not actively high.
• Studies using brain imaging show reduced hippocampal volume and altered brain connectivity in long-term users.
• These effects tend to improve after several weeks of abstinence, but heavy, long-term users might not fully recover baseline memory function.

Yeah…well there’s more to these things than your amateur analysis based on a google search. For example, age and dosing. And every study qualifies its findings with the word “may”. Besides, most drugs, prescriptions included, carry side effects. Some are worse than others. Each person reacts differently. It’s all a balancing act. The narcotic qualities of commonly prescribed opioids for example or pyschoactive effects of muscle relaxers “may” effect short term memory or critical thinking skills as well.

Yet you never mention booze or prescriptions. Why?

Despite your view that all weed smokers are Spicoli’s, I can assure you there are doctors, lawyers, and scientists who are regular users without detrimental effect. And weed use is certainly no more harmful regarding critical thinking and short term memory issues than booze and likely less.

In other words, you’re opining on something you know very little about while I live it and have my entire medical team’s approval. You’re looking kind of ignorant and dumb here.

The day you start making sense or winning an argument, I may consider taking a break.

[kalm]

Ceasefire.

[GannonFan]

Ceasefire.

It won't work until Hamas gives up their weapons and stays out of government. You've already heard Middle East countries like Saudi Arabia and Jordan saying there's no way they're going to be part of an international peacekeeping force if they actually have to keep the peace, i.e. confront an armed Hamas in Gaza. Heck, the prompting of the most recent Israeli response was when Hamas was caught on film burying some random body parts they took from a nearby building, directing the Red Cross to the site they buried them, and passing them off as body parts from an Israeli hostage. It's like they don't understand how DNA testing works. Everything is doomed for failure if Hamas remains armed and in control of any part of Gaza.

[kalm]

Ceasefire.

It won't work until Hamas gives up their weapons and stays out of government. You've already heard Middle East countries like Saudi Arabia and Jordan saying there's no way they're going to be part of an international peacekeeping force if they actually have to keep the peace, i.e. confront an armed Hamas in Gaza. Heck, the prompting of the most recent Israeli response was when Hamas was caught on film burying some random body parts they took from a nearby building, directing the Red Cross to the site they buried them, and passing them off as body parts from an Israeli hostage. It's like they don't understand how DNA testing works. Everything is doomed for failure if Hamas remains armed and in control of any part of Gaza.

Can’t you make the same case for Israel?

[GannonFan]

It won't work until Hamas gives up their weapons and stays out of government. You've already heard Middle East countries like Saudi Arabia and Jordan saying there's no way they're going to be part of an international peacekeeping force if they actually have to keep the peace, i.e. confront an armed Hamas in Gaza. Heck, the prompting of the most recent Israeli response was when Hamas was caught on film burying some random body parts they took from a nearby building, directing the Red Cross to the site they buried them, and passing them off as body parts from an Israeli hostage. It's like they don't understand how DNA testing works. Everything is doomed for failure if Hamas remains armed and in control of any part of Gaza.

Can’t you make the same case for Israel?

No, you can't. Israel doesn't have it as one of their governing principles to eradicate all Palestinians and erase from the Earth, or at least in the Middle East, any remnant of Palestinians. On the other hand, Hamas does have all of that that regarding Israel - they want Israel wiped off the map and all Jews there to either be killed or removed (the globalize the Intifada would be the next step, eradicating Jews worldwide, but for now just eradicating Israel would the main step). Israel didn't attack Hamas to start the most recent hostilities - Hamas did, on October 7th. Isreal would likely let the Gaza Strip exist forever, assuming that they didn't face attacks from that area almost every day, as they have going back to early 2008 when Hamas won elections in 2006, refused to abide by international (US, Russia, and the UN) backed agreements that Israel can exist and to renounce violence, and beat Fatah in a mini-civil war to dominate Gaza. There's no equating Israel and Hamas - the former is a democratic government that, while guilty of war crimes, would also just let Gaza to their own devices, assuming they weren't constantly attacked from there. The latter is largely a terrorist organization that used democratic means to gain power and then went full authoritarian to dominate their own people, educate the young that all Jews are basically devils, and has as a singular philosophy that Israel should be eradicated and all its people exterminated.

So again, the answer is no, you can't.

[kalm]

Can’t you make the same case for Israel?

No, you can't. Israel doesn't have it as one of their governing principles to eradicate all Palestinians and erase from the Earth, or at least in the Middle East, any remnant of Palestinians. On the other hand, Hamas does have all of that that regarding Israel - they want Israel wiped off the map and all Jews there to either be killed or removed (the globalize the Intifada would be the next step, eradicating Jews worldwide, but for now just eradicating Israel would the main step). Israel didn't attack Hamas to start the most recent hostilities - Hamas did, on October 7th. Isreal would likely let the Gaza Strip exist forever, assuming that they didn't face attacks from that area almost every day, as they have going back to early 2008 when Hamas won elections in 2006, refused to abide by international (US, Russia, and the UN) backed agreements that Israel can exist and to renounce violence, and beat Fatah in a mini-civil war to dominate Gaza. There's no equating Israel and Hamas - the former is a democratic government that, while guilty of war crimes, would also just let Gaza to their own devices, assuming they weren't constantly attacked from there. The latter is largely a terrorist organization that used democratic means to gain power and then went full authoritarian to dominate their own people, educate the young that all Jews are basically devils, and has as a singular philosophy that Israel should be eradicated and all its people exterminated.

So again, the answer is no, you can't.

Actions speak louder than words. And in Israel’s case, the examples of threats I shared have cone to reality in many incidences.

Hamas has proven to be a bad actor. They don’t deserve to be in control of Gaza. But that applies to countless countries around the globe.

My point remains…both side’s leadership are guilty at the expense and murder of the people including children. It’s silly at this point to defend Israel as the innocent and righteous good guys. They are clearly not.

[Caribbean Hen]

No, you can't. Israel doesn't have it as one of their governing principles to eradicate all Palestinians and erase from the Earth, or at least in the Middle East, any remnant of Palestinians. On the other hand, Hamas does have all of that that regarding Israel - they want Israel wiped off the map and all Jews there to either be killed or removed (the globalize the Intifada would be the next step, eradicating Jews worldwide, but for now just eradicating Israel would the main step). Israel didn't attack Hamas to start the most recent hostilities - Hamas did, on October 7th. Isreal would likely let the Gaza Strip exist forever, assuming that they didn't face attacks from that area almost every day, as they have going back to early 2008 when Hamas won elections in 2006, refused to abide by international (US, Russia, and the UN) backed agreements that Israel can exist and to renounce violence, and beat Fatah in a mini-civil war to dominate Gaza. There's no equating Israel and Hamas - the former is a democratic government that, while guilty of war crimes, would also just let Gaza to their own devices, assuming they weren't constantly attacked from there. The latter is largely a terrorist organization that used democratic means to gain power and then went full authoritarian to dominate their own people, educate the young that all Jews are basically devils, and has as a singular philosophy that Israel should be eradicated and all its people exterminated.

So again, the answer is no, you can't.

Actions speak louder than words. And in the Ukraines case, the examples of threats I shared have cone to reality in many incidences.

Ukraine has proven to be a bad actor. They don’t deserve to be in control of Russian land. But that applies to countless countries around the globe.

My point remains…both side’s leadership are guilty at the expense and murder of the people including children. It’s silly at this point to defend the Ukraine as the innocent and righteous good guys. They are clearly not.

Hey this is not the Ukraine thread

[GannonFan]

No, you can't. Israel doesn't have it as one of their governing principles to eradicate all Palestinians and erase from the Earth, or at least in the Middle East, any remnant of Palestinians. On the other hand, Hamas does have all of that that regarding Israel - they want Israel wiped off the map and all Jews there to either be killed or removed (the globalize the Intifada would be the next step, eradicating Jews worldwide, but for now just eradicating Israel would the main step). Israel didn't attack Hamas to start the most recent hostilities - Hamas did, on October 7th. Isreal would likely let the Gaza Strip exist forever, assuming that they didn't face attacks from that area almost every day, as they have going back to early 2008 when Hamas won elections in 2006, refused to abide by international (US, Russia, and the UN) backed agreements that Israel can exist and to renounce violence, and beat Fatah in a mini-civil war to dominate Gaza. There's no equating Israel and Hamas - the former is a democratic government that, while guilty of war crimes, would also just let Gaza to their own devices, assuming they weren't constantly attacked from there. The latter is largely a terrorist organization that used democratic means to gain power and then went full authoritarian to dominate their own people, educate the young that all Jews are basically devils, and has as a singular philosophy that Israel should be eradicated and all its people exterminated.

So again, the answer is no, you can't.

Actions speak louder than words. And in Israel’s case, the examples of threats I shared have cone to reality in many incidences.

Hamas has proven to be a bad actor. They don’t deserve to be in control of Gaza. But that applies to countless countries around the globe.

My point remains…both side’s leadership are guilty at the expense and murder of the people including children. It’s silly at this point to defend Israel as the innocent and righteous good guys. They are clearly not.

I don't believe anyone has said Israel are "innocent" and "righteous good guys". I said they were guilty of war crimes. How you equate "war crimes" with "innocent" and "righteous good guys" is a reading comprehension problem you'll have to deal with.

But my point remains - Israel and Hamas are not the same and are not equal. Hamas needs to give up weapons and leave government. Stop normalizing Hamas.

[GannonFan]

Actions speak louder than words. And in the Ukraines case, the examples of threats I shared have cone to reality in many incidences.

Ukraine has proven to be a bad actor. They don’t deserve to be in control of Russian land. But that applies to countless countries around the globe.

My point remains…both side’s leadership are guilty at the expense and murder of the people including children. It’s silly at this point to defend the Ukraine as the innocent and righteous good guys. They are clearly not.

Hey this is not the Ukraine thread

Seriously, was that necessary?

[Caribbean Hen]

Hey this is not the Ukraine thread

Seriously, was that necessary?

Yes

It highlights the similarities between the two situations and the argument that follow… it’s a fine line

[UNI88]

Seriously, was that necessary?

Yes

It highlights the similarities between the two situations and the argument that follow… it’s a fine line

Except you mixed up russia and Ukraine.

Russia has proven to be a bad actor. They don’t deserve to be in control of Ukrainian land. But that applies to countless countries around the globe.

It’s silly at this point to defend the Russians as the innocent and righteous good guys. They are clearly not.

FIFY

[Caribbean Hen]

Yes

It highlights the similarities between the two situations and the argument that follow… it’s a fine line

Except you mixed up russia and Ukraine.

Russia has proven to be a bad actor. They don’t deserve to be in control of Ukrainian land. But that applies to countless countries around the globe.

It’s silly at this point to defend the Russians as the innocent and righteous good guys. They are clearly not.

FIFY

Takes Two too Tango

It’s not a good situation at all…

[UNI88]

Except you mixed up russia and Ukraine.

FIFY

Takes Two too Tango

It’s not a good situation at all…

It does and Ukraine does have blood on it's hands and it could have done things differently just like Israel could have done things differently but I don't fault either for defending themselves. It's difficult to justify what hamas and russia have done.

[Caribbean Hen]

Takes Two too Tango

It’s not a good situation at all…

It does and Ukraine does have blood on it's hands and it could have done things differently just like Israel could have done things differently but I don't fault either for defending themselves. It's difficult to justify what hamas and russia have done.

Ok but I wouldn’t use Hamas and Russia in the same sentence

Russia is not really a terrorist state like Hamas

Remember, Putin was the first foreign leader to call Bush after 911 and basically offered him anything he needs, I realize Putin might’ve had ulterior motors for that call, but he doesn’t like terrorism

[GannonFan]

It does and Ukraine does have blood on it's hands and it could have done things differently just like Israel could have done things differently but I don't fault either for defending themselves. It's difficult to justify what hamas and russia have done.

Ok but I wouldn’t use Hamas and Russia in the same sentence

Russia is not really a terrorist state like Hamas

Remember, Putin was the first foreign leader to call Bush after 911 and basically offered him anything he needs, I realize Putin might’ve had ulterior motors for that call, but he doesn’t like terrorism

Huh? What are you talking about? What about Russian's funding of and supplying military weapons to Iran, knowing full well that that will cascade down to the Iranian proxies (Hamas, Houthis, and Hezbollah) that Iran uses to sow discord in the Middle East? Putin's fine with terrorism when the muzzle of terrorism is pointed in someone else's direction, especially if it's Israel or the United States.

[UNI88]

It does and Ukraine does have blood on it's hands and it could have done things differently just like Israel could have done things differently but I don't fault either for defending themselves. It's difficult to justify what hamas and russia have done.

Ok but I wouldn’t use Hamas and Russia in the same sentence

Russia is not really a terrorist state like Hamas

Remember, Putin was the first foreign leader to call Bush after 911 and basically offered him anything he needs, I realize Putin might’ve had ulterior motors for that call, but he doesn’t like terrorism

In addition to Ganny's points, russia's actions against Ukraine are a closer comparison to hamas than Ukraine's actions against russia or russian speakers (the comparison you made). For example:
- Bombing the Donetsk Regional Drama Theatre sheltering civilians
- Bombing a maternity and children’s hospital in Mariupol
- Missile attack on a Kramatorsk railway station crowded with evacuees
- Missile attack on a busy shopping center in Amstor
- Executions and mass killings before withdrawing from Bucha and other towns
- Missile strikes against apartment buildings
- Missile strike on a wake in the village of Hroza

[Caribbean Hen]

Ok but I wouldn’t use Hamas and Russia in the same sentence

Russia is not really a terrorist state like Hamas

Remember, Putin was the first foreign leader to call Bush after 911 and basically offered him anything he needs, I realize Putin might’ve had ulterior motors for that call, but he doesn’t like terrorism

Huh? What are you talking about? What about Russian's funding of and supplying military weapons to Iran, knowing full well that that will cascade down to the Iranian proxies (Hamas, Houthis, and Hezbollah) that Iran uses to sow discord in the Middle East? Putin's fine with terrorism when the muzzle of terrorism is pointed in someone else's direction, especially if it's Israel or the United States.

Well you need you need to go back a little further in history to add some balance to your response.

By the way, when Joey Biden was asked if Russia needed to be designated as a terrorist state he simply said no….

BIDEN REJECTS BRANDING RUSSIA 'STATE SPONSOR OF TERRORISM'
POLITICS 06.09.2022

[GannonFan]

Huh? What are you talking about? What about Russian's funding of and supplying military weapons to Iran, knowing full well that that will cascade down to the Iranian proxies (Hamas, Houthis, and Hezbollah) that Iran uses to sow discord in the Middle East? Putin's fine with terrorism when the muzzle of terrorism is pointed in someone else's direction, especially if it's Israel or the United States.

Well you need you need to go back a little further in history to add some balance to your response.

By the way, when Joey Biden was asked if Russia needed to be designated as a terrorist state he simply said no….

BIDEN REJECTS BRANDING RUSSIA 'STATE SPONSOR OF TERRORISM'
POLITICS 06.09.2022

So now you're good with Joe Biden? Did you hurt anything when you completed that backflip?

[Caribbean Hen]

Well you need you need to go back a little further in history to add some balance to your response.

By the way, when Joey Biden was asked if Russia needed to be designated as a terrorist state he simply said no….

BIDEN REJECTS BRANDING RUSSIA 'STATE SPONSOR OF TERRORISM'
POLITICS 06.09.2022

So now you're good with Joe Biden? Did you hurt anything when you completed that backflip?

No, I see Joey for what he is and it’s not good

But most here are enamored with Joey Rotten so I was curious how they would defend him on this

[UNI88]

So now you're good with Joe Biden? Did you hurt anything when you completed that backflip?

No, I see Joey for what he is and it’s not good

But most here are enamored with Joey Rotten so I was curious how they would defend him on this

comer Pyle said the Auto Pen made that statement and not biden so it's not official and should not be quoted or used in any context.

[kalm]

No, I see Joey for what he is and it’s not good

But most here are enamored with Joey Rotten so I was curious how they would defend him on this

comer Pyle said the Auto Pen made that statement and not biden so it's not official and should not be quoted or used in any context.

I think Biden is the best president of…………

this decade.

[UNI88]

comer Pyle said the Auto Pen made that statement and not biden so it's not official and should not be quoted or used in any context.

I think Biden is the best president of…………

this decade.

I have the auto pen at #1.


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