Israel-Palestine Drama Thread

[kalm]

Meanwhile, Israel is still restricting aid and blowing shit up. Hamas is attempting to reassert control.

Cease fire.

https://x.com/ryangrim/status/197901263 ... LLEdWL4H3w

[Caribbean Hen]

He is our great President of Contradictions:
- peace in Middle East, Caucasus and Africa (Israel & Iran, Israel & Hamas, Armenia & Azerbaijan, and Rwanda & the DRC)
- conflict at home in the USA (LA, Portland, Chicago) largely manufactured by him

The conflict in the inner cities has nothing to do with Trump.
Why do you support drug dealers, violent crime and killing?

Mothers locked in the deep blue urban plantations that can’t even bring their kids to the playground? You care about them? According to your words, you don’t give a shit.

Who should Trump listen to? a TDS infected guy from Portland, Oregon or those mothers that live in crime infested Chicago?

[GannonFan]

Meanwhile, Israel is still restricting aid and blowing shit up. Hamas is attempting to reassert control.

Cease fire.

https://x.com/ryangrim/status/197901263 ... LLEdWL4H3w

Cease fire was with Hamas in Gaza. Lebanon is where Hezbollah are. I don't recall a cease fire with Hezbollah, I just recall Israel taking out most of Hezbollah's hierarchy (about the same time they attacked Hezbollah's support in Iran) after sustaining a good year of daily bombardment and relocation of almost 100,000 Israelis from anywhere close to that border. I don't think Hezbollah has changed their position of pursuing the complete annihilation of Israel, have they?

As for Hamas, given the very public executions of Palestinian civilians and attempts to again terrorize their own population, they've probably intentionally killed more civilians in the past few days than Israel did since all of this started with the October 7th attack. Is Hamas committing genocide? I know they want to with regards to Jews and Israel, one could argue they do that every day with the people they claim to represent. But I bet we won't hear much more of this as Hamas controls and writes the stories that come out of Gaza, as they have for the past 15 years.

Trump's "win" in the Middle East won't be anything close to that until removing Hamas as an entity, politically and militarily, is accomplished. Will be interesting to see if the next steps on his peace plan actually come to fruition - those are the hard parts.

[kalm]

Meanwhile, Israel is still restricting aid and blowing shit up. Hamas is attempting to reassert control.

Cease fire.

https://x.com/ryangrim/status/197901263 ... LLEdWL4H3w

Cease fire was with Hamas in Gaza. Lebanon is where Hezbollah are. I don't recall a cease fire with Hezbollah, I just recall Israel taking out most of Hezbollah's hierarchy (about the same time they attacked Hezbollah's support in Iran) after sustaining a good year of daily bombardment and relocation of almost 100,000 Israelis from anywhere close to that border. I don't think Hezbollah has changed their position of pursuing the complete annihilation of Israel, have they?

As for Hamas, given the very public executions of Palestinian civilians and attempts to again terrorize their own population, they've probably intentionally killed more civilians in the past few days than Israel did since all of this started with the October 7th attack. Is Hamas committing genocide? I know they want to with regards to Jews and Israel, one could argue they do that every day with the people they claim to represent. But I bet we won't hear much more of this as Hamas controls and writes the stories that come out of Gaza, as they have for the past 15 years.

Trump's "win" in the Middle East won't be anything close to that until removing Hamas as an entity, politically and militarily, is accomplished. Will be interesting to see if the next steps on his peace plan actually come to fruition - those are the hard parts.

Wow. You and I obviously consume news from far different sources.

Hamas has killed more civilians in a week than Israel has the entire war?

Hamas is controlling the news?

I’m aware of where these attacks were. Israel has lashed out in all directions with our support, unnecessarily.

As I’ve said from the start, leadership is to blame. Hamas and Hezbollah are evil. No question. So is Netanyahu’s government. This is also inarguable. The people of both sides suffer. The Palestinians to a far far greater degree. And Israel isn’t innocent.

[GannonFan]

Cease fire was with Hamas in Gaza. Lebanon is where Hezbollah are. I don't recall a cease fire with Hezbollah, I just recall Israel taking out most of Hezbollah's hierarchy (about the same time they attacked Hezbollah's support in Iran) after sustaining a good year of daily bombardment and relocation of almost 100,000 Israelis from anywhere close to that border. I don't think Hezbollah has changed their position of pursuing the complete annihilation of Israel, have they?

As for Hamas, given the very public executions of Palestinian civilians and attempts to again terrorize their own population, they've probably intentionally killed more civilians in the past few days than Israel did since all of this started with the October 7th attack. Is Hamas committing genocide? I know they want to with regards to Jews and Israel, one could argue they do that every day with the people they claim to represent. But I bet we won't hear much more of this as Hamas controls and writes the stories that come out of Gaza, as they have for the past 15 years.

Trump's "win" in the Middle East won't be anything close to that until removing Hamas as an entity, politically and militarily, is accomplished. Will be interesting to see if the next steps on his peace plan actually come to fruition - those are the hard parts.

Wow. You and I obviously consume news from far different sources.

Hamas has killed more civilians in a week than Israel has the entire war?

Hamas is controlling the news?

I’m aware of where these attacks were. Israel has lashed out in all directions with our support, unnecessarily.

As I’ve said from the start, leadership is to blame. Hamas and Hezbollah are evil. No question. So is Netanyahu’s government. This is also inarguable. The people of both sides suffer. The Palestinians to a far far greater degree. And Israel isn’t innocent.

Again, like our discussion of SCOTUS decisions, you need to read more, you miss a lot. I clearly said "intentionally" killing civilians. As bad as Israel's war crimes have been (and I would stretch to call them "evil"), they aren't intentionally trying to kill civilians. That's where the genocide charge falls apart. If they wanted to do that, it would look like what's been going on in Darfur, where tens of millions have died because there clearly was focused and intentional killing of as many civilians as possible. If genocide was the intention in Gaza, it would be easy, quick, and horrific.

And yes, Hamas greatly controls the news coming out of Gaza. Just like their very public executions of anyone who they label as a collaborator (which could really be expanded to anyone who threatens their hold on power in Gaza), the only media that operate in Gaza right now are those who Hamas allows to operate. Oddly, nary a mention about Hamas operative embedded in civilian enclaves, hospitals, mosques, churches, etc. That's what you get when you control the news.

And "lashed out in all directions...unnecessarily"? Come on, it's like you completely don't acknowledge Iran's proxies throughout the region. Hamas attacks on Oct 7, Hezbollah then commences a daily year long bombardment of the north of Isreal that prompts 100k to relocate for a year (that's about the population of Spokane Valley near you - is that cool if someone bombs that and all those people just have to up and leave?), and the Houthis send wave after wave of Iran-supplied drone attacks against Israel. To respond to all of those attacks, again coordinated through Iran (well, Oct 7 may have just been a Hamas thing, it did appear to catch even their enablers by surprise) they had to "lash" out in all directions. When you get attacked by all directions the response, by default, will be in all directions.

And it's hard to argue that it didn't work - Iran, along with their nuclear aims, is greatly diminished, Hezbollah is diminished, the Houthis have been running low on armaments, and people, even you, are finally talking about a future in Gaza that doesn't include Hamas terrorizing the population and exporting "globalize the intifada" to gullible audiences.

[UNI88]

He is our great President of Contradictions:
- peace in Middle East, Caucasus and Africa (Israel & Iran, Israel & Hamas, Armenia & Azerbaijan, and Rwanda & the DRC)
- conflict at home in the USA (LA, Portland, Chicago) largely manufactured by him

The conflict in the inner cities has nothing to do with Trump.
Why do you support drug dealers, violent crime and killing?

Mothers locked in the deep blue urban plantations that can’t even bring their kids to the playground? You care about them? According to your words, you don’t give a shit.

Who should Trump listen to? a TDS infected guy from Portland, Oregon or those mothers that live in crime infested Chicago?

trump escalated those conflicts in US cities by calling up the National Guard. Protests were rather small and peaceful. They've exploded in size since he called up the Guard.

He also doesn't give a shit about a mother living in a crime infested neighborhood (all of Chicago is not crime infested (you should get off your tropical island sipping pina coladas and see the city). He's doing this to thumb his nose at Democratic leaders who oppose him not out of any concern for their constituents. trump is a narcissist who only cares about trump.

We can add blowing up "alleged" drug boats and killing their crews in the Caribbean without providing proof or a trial, sending the CIA into Venezuela and talking about sending the military in without Congressional approval. trump had to get the Nobel Peace Prize this year because he knows he'll fvck up any future chance with decisions like this.

[Caribbean Hen]

The conflict in the inner cities has nothing to do with Trump.
Why do you support drug dealers, violent crime and killing?

Mothers locked in the deep blue urban plantations that can’t even bring their kids to the playground? You care about them? According to your words, you don’t give a shit.

Who should Trump listen to? a TDS infected guy from Portland, Oregon or those mothers that live in crime infested Chicago?

trump escalated those conflicts in US cities by calling up the National Guard. Protests were rather small and peaceful. They've exploded in size since he called up the Guard.

He also doesn't give a shit about a mother living in a crime infested neighborhood (all of Chicago is not crime infested (you should get off your tropical island sipping pina coladas and see the city). He's doing this to thumb his nose at Democratic leaders who oppose him not out of any concern for their constituents. trump is a narcissist who only cares about trump.

We can add blowing up "alleged" drug boats and killing their crews in the Caribbean without providing proof or a trial, sending the CIA into Venezuela and talking about sending the military in without Congressional approval. trump had to get the Nobel Peace Prize this year because he knows he'll fvck up any future chance with decisions like this.

Your reply is all about Trump and you say nothing for those families and mothers that live in crime infested Chicago

And listen here dummy, I know that the entire city is not crime infected. It’s concentrated in certain neighborhoods that are controlled by thugs and drug dealers and they lead the league in murders That’s what Trump is going after and it’s way past time somebody did something about it

[UNI88]

trump escalated those conflicts in US cities by calling up the National Guard. Protests were rather small and peaceful. They've exploded in size since he called up the Guard.

He also doesn't give a shit about a mother living in a crime infested neighborhood (all of Chicago is not crime infested (you should get off your tropical island sipping pina coladas and see the city). He's doing this to thumb his nose at Democratic leaders who oppose him not out of any concern for their constituents. trump is a narcissist who only cares about trump.

We can add blowing up "alleged" drug boats and killing their crews in the Caribbean without providing proof or a trial, sending the CIA into Venezuela and talking about sending the military in without Congressional approval. trump had to get the Nobel Peace Prize this year because he knows he'll fvck up any future chance with decisions like this.

Your reply is all about Trump and you say nothing for those families and mothers that live in crime infested Chicago

And listen here dummy, I know that the entire city is not crime infected. It’s concentrated in certain neighborhoods that are controlled by thugs and drug dealers and they lead the league in murders That’s what Trump is going after and it’s way past time somebody did something about it

My son lives in Chicago. He went to school in Chicago. I lived in 2 different neighborhoods in Chicago. I've worked with Chicago and Illinois politicians, unions and community groups to help people, many of them in "those neighborhoods" find good jobs. trump cares about them so much that he authorized:

• ICE agents to rappel from helicopters in the middle of the night to blow the doors off their apartments, making them unlivable, zip tie young children, separate them from their parents and detain them for hours.
• ICE agents to shoot a community pastor who was peacefully praying in the head with a pepper ball.
• The Border Patrol to violently detain a Chicago news producer who was filming them.

[Caribbean Hen]

Your reply is all about Trump and you say nothing for those families and mothers that live in crime infested Chicago

And listen here dummy, I know that the entire city is not crime infected. It’s concentrated in certain neighborhoods that are controlled by thugs and drug dealers and they lead the league in murders That’s what Trump is going after and it’s way past time somebody did something about it

My son lives in Chicago. He went to school in Chicago. I lived in 2 different neighborhoods in Chicago. I've worked with Chicago and Illinois politicians, unions and community groups to help people, many of them in "those neighborhoods" find good jobs. trump cares about them so much that he authorized:

• ICE agents to rappel from helicopters in the middle of the night to blow the doors off their apartments, making them unlivable, zip tie young children, separate them from their parents and detain them for hours.
• ICE agents to shoot a community pastor who was peacefully praying in the head with a pepper ball.
• The Border Patrol to violently detain a Chicago news producer who was filming them.

Yeah, you probably lived in Lincoln Park or some other pearly white magic kingdom type of a neighborhood

Why wasn’t the Chicago news anchor filming the gang shootouts ?

Do you really want me to comment on kids being separated from their parents for a few hours when half of those kids don’t even know where their fathers are

Remember, Black Fathers Matter …It all starts at home

And most importantly, why haven’t the local politicians that you worked with, tried to do anything about this situation for a half a century? I’m sure they’ve made efforts but obviously it was a complete failure.

[UNI88]

My son lives in Chicago. He went to school in Chicago. I lived in 2 different neighborhoods in Chicago. I've worked with Chicago and Illinois politicians, unions and community groups to help people, many of them in "those neighborhoods" find good jobs. trump cares about them so much that he authorized:

• ICE agents to rappel from helicopters in the middle of the night to blow the doors off their apartments, making them unlivable, zip tie young children, separate them from their parents and detain them for hours.
• ICE agents to shoot a community pastor who was peacefully praying in the head with a pepper ball.
• The Border Patrol to violently detain a Chicago news producer who was filming them.

Yeah, you probably lived in Lincoln Park or some other pearly white magic kingdom type of a neighborhood

Why wasn’t the Chicago news anchor filming the gang shootouts ?

Do you really want me to comment on kids being separated from their parents for a few hours when half of those kids don’t even know where their fathers are

Remember, Black Fathers Matter …It all starts at home

And most importantly, why haven’t the local politicians that you worked with, tried to do anything about this situation for a half a century? I’m sure they’ve made efforts but obviously it was a complete failure.

I lived in the Lakeview and Austin neighborhoods. Lakeview was just north of Lincoln Park but more diverse. Austin is where the current mayor lives and is one of the more dangerous neighborhoods in the city. In addition, my son played soccer for a team based in the Belmont Cragin neighborhood one summer. He was the only non-Hispanic kid on the team and the coaches didn't speak English - he was good enough to play sweeper. They started playing on fields with potholes that parents had to sweep for broken glass before games but kept winning and finished playing on the best turf fields in the city before falling in the semi-finals. I know the city of Chicago.

Whether those kids have fathers in their lives is irrelevant to whether they should have been zip tied, separated from their parents and detained for hours. There is no justification for that. Deflections and distractions are all you have.

[Caribbean Hen]

Yeah, you probably lived in Lincoln Park or some other pearly white magic kingdom type of a neighborhood

Why wasn’t the Chicago news anchor filming the gang shootouts ?

Do you really want me to comment on kids being separated from their parents for a few hours when half of those kids don’t even know where their fathers are

Remember, Black Fathers Matter …It all starts at home

And most importantly, why haven’t the local politicians that you worked with, tried to do anything about this situation for a half a century? I’m sure they’ve made efforts but obviously it was a complete failure.

I lived in the Lakeview and Austin neighborhoods. Lakeview was just north of Lincoln Park but more diverse. Austin is where the current mayor lives and is one of the more dangerous neighborhoods in the city. In addition, my son played soccer for a team based in the Belmont Cragin neighborhood one summer. He was the only non-Hispanic kid on the team and the coaches didn't speak English - he was good enough to play sweeper. They started playing on fields with potholes that parents had to sweep for broken glass before games but kept winning and finished playing on the best turf fields in the city before falling in the semi-finals. I know the city of Chicago.

Whether those kids have fathers in their lives is irrelevant to whether they should have been zip tied, separated from their parents and detained for hours. There is no justification for that. Deflections and distractions are all you have.

Soccer?

What about baseball…. just replace soccer with baseball and I can tell you the same story about my son growing up in Puerto Rico.

The point is you only talk about kids being separated from their father’s by ICE for a few hours

But you don’t care about the kids not having fathers period

[UNI88]

I lived in the Lakeview and Austin neighborhoods. Lakeview was just north of Lincoln Park but more diverse. Austin is where the current mayor lives and is one of the more dangerous neighborhoods in the city. In addition, my son played soccer for a team based in the Belmont Cragin neighborhood one summer. He was the only non-Hispanic kid on the team and the coaches didn't speak English - he was good enough to play sweeper. They started playing on fields with potholes that parents had to sweep for broken glass before games but kept winning and finished playing on the best turf fields in the city before falling in the semi-finals. I know the city of Chicago.

Whether those kids have fathers in their lives is irrelevant to whether they should have been zip tied, separated from their parents and detained for hours. There is no justification for that. Deflections and distractions are all you have.

Soccer?

What about baseball…. just replace soccer with baseball and I can tell you the same story about my son growing up in Puerto Rico.

The point is you only talk about kids being separated from their father’s by ICE for a few hours

But you don’t care about the kids not having fathers period

A few hours doesn't make it okay. This is the United States, not some third world banana republic. ICE should not be acting like some combination of the KGB and Spetnsaz.

[GannonFan]

Soccer?

What about baseball…. just replace soccer with baseball and I can tell you the same story about my son growing up in Puerto Rico.

The point is you only talk about kids being separated from their father’s by ICE for a few hours

But you don’t care about the kids not having fathers period

A few hours doesn't make it okay. This is the United States, not some third world banana republic. ICE should not be acting like some combination of the KGB and Spetnsaz.

Bravo!!! See, that's how to do it. KGB and Spetnsaz are not the same as calling people Nazi's, but still pretty damning nonetheless. Well done picking a more creative pejorative!

[Baldy]

Wow. You and I obviously consume news from far different sources.

Hamas has killed more civilians in a week than Israel has the entire war?

Hamas is controlling the news?

I’m aware of where these attacks were. Israel has lashed out in all directions with our support, unnecessarily.

As I’ve said from the start, leadership is to blame. Hamas and Hezbollah are evil. No question. So is Netanyahu’s government. This is also inarguable. The people of both sides suffer. The Palestinians to a far far greater degree. And Israel isn’t innocent.

Again, like our discussion of SCOTUS decisions, you need to read more, you miss a lot. I clearly said "intentionally" killing civilians. As bad as Israel's war crimes have been (and I would stretch to call them "evil"), they aren't intentionally trying to kill civilians. That's where the genocide charge falls apart. If they wanted to do that, it would look like what's been going on in Darfur, where tens of millions have died because there clearly was focused and intentional killing of as many civilians as possible. If genocide was the intention in Gaza, it would be easy, quick, and horrific.

And yes, Hamas greatly controls the news coming out of Gaza. Just like their very public executions of anyone who they label as a collaborator (which could really be expanded to anyone who threatens their hold on power in Gaza), the only media that operate in Gaza right now are those who Hamas allows to operate. Oddly, nary a mention about Hamas operative embedded in civilian enclaves, hospitals, mosques, churches, etc. That's what you get when you control the news.

And "lashed out in all directions...unnecessarily"? Come on, it's like you completely don't acknowledge Iran's proxies throughout the region. Hamas attacks on Oct 7, Hezbollah then commences a daily year long bombardment of the north of Isreal that prompts 100k to relocate for a year (that's about the population of Spokane Valley near you - is that cool if someone bombs that and all those people just have to up and leave?), and the Houthis send wave after wave of Iran-supplied drone attacks against Israel. To respond to all of those attacks, again coordinated through Iran (well, Oct 7 may have just been a Hamas thing, it did appear to catch even their enablers by surprise) they had to "lash" out in all directions. When you get attacked by all directions the response, by default, will be in all directions.

And it's hard to argue that it didn't work - Iran, along with their nuclear aims, is greatly diminished, Hezbollah is diminished, the Houthis have been running low on armaments, and people, even you, are finally talking about a future in Gaza that doesn't include Hamas terrorizing the population and exporting "globalize the intifada" to gullible audiences.

Somebody needs to do a welfare check on klam. I think Ganny might have murdered the poor fella. 🫣

[Caribbean Hen]

Doesn’t Klam live off welfare checks?

[kalm]

Wow. You and I obviously consume news from far different sources.

Hamas has killed more civilians in a week than Israel has the entire war?

Hamas is controlling the news?

I’m aware of where these attacks were. Israel has lashed out in all directions with our support, unnecessarily.

As I’ve said from the start, leadership is to blame. Hamas and Hezbollah are evil. No question. So is Netanyahu’s government. This is also inarguable. The people of both sides suffer. The Palestinians to a far far greater degree. And Israel isn’t innocent.

Again, like our discussion of SCOTUS decisions, you need to read more, you miss a lot. I clearly said "intentionally" killing civilians. As bad as Israel's war crimes have been (and I would stretch to call them "evil"), they aren't intentionally trying to kill civilians. That's where the genocide charge falls apart. If they wanted to do that, it would look like what's been going on in Darfur, where tens of millions have died because there clearly was focused and intentional killing of as many civilians as possible. If genocide was the intention in Gaza, it would be easy, quick, and horrific.

And yes, Hamas greatly controls the news coming out of Gaza. Just like their very public executions of anyone who they label as a collaborator (which could really be expanded to anyone who threatens their hold on power in Gaza), the only media that operate in Gaza right now are those who Hamas allows to operate. Oddly, nary a mention about Hamas operative embedded in civilian enclaves, hospitals, mosques, churches, etc. That's what you get when you control the news.

And "lashed out in all directions...unnecessarily"? Come on, it's like you completely don't acknowledge Iran's proxies throughout the region. Hamas attacks on Oct 7, Hezbollah then commences a daily year long bombardment of the north of Isreal that prompts 100k to relocate for a year (that's about the population of Spokane Valley near you - is that cool if someone bombs that and all those people just have to up and leave?), and the Houthis send wave after wave of Iran-supplied drone attacks against Israel. To respond to all of those attacks, again coordinated through Iran (well, Oct 7 may have just been a Hamas thing, it did appear to catch even their enablers by surprise) they had to "lash" out in all directions. When you get attacked by all directions the response, by default, will be in all directions.

And it's hard to argue that it didn't work - Iran, along with their nuclear aims, is greatly diminished, Hezbollah is diminished, the Houthis have been running low on armaments, and people, even you, are finally talking about a future in Gaza that doesn't include Hamas terrorizing the population and exporting "globalize the intifada" to gullible audiences.

Let’s start with the flaw in just your first paragraph alone. Here’s just a few examples of the Israeli government and military’s intentions…in their own words:

“If you ask me on a personal level — I flatten Gaza, I have no other sentiments. Because there is no separation between the murderers of women and children and the citizens of Gaza.”

- Keti Shitrit

“Gaza won’t return to what it was before. We will eliminate everything. If it doesn’t take one day, it will take a week. It will take weeks or even months, we will reach all places.”

- Yoav Gallant


“While balancing accuracy with the scope of damage, right now we're focused on what causes maximum damage”

- Daniel Hagari


“We shall go out to ... [the enemy] in war, we shall pulverize every accursed plot of land from which it came, we shall destroy it and the memory of it ... and we shall not return until it is annihilated”

- David Bar Khalifa

“Water in Gaza comes from wells with salt water unfit for consumption. They have water treatment plants, Israel should hit those plants. When the entire world says we have gone insane and this is a humanitarian disaster — we will say, it’s not an end, it's a means.”

- Giora Eiland

The images and war reporting verify these intentions.

Again…and like I stated from the start, Hamas is bad. No doubt about it. Where we disagree is in defending Israel’s actions. They are simply not the good guys here.

[kalm]

Again, like our discussion of SCOTUS decisions, you need to read more, you miss a lot. I clearly said "intentionally" killing civilians. As bad as Israel's war crimes have been (and I would stretch to call them "evil"), they aren't intentionally trying to kill civilians. That's where the genocide charge falls apart. If they wanted to do that, it would look like what's been going on in Darfur, where tens of millions have died because there clearly was focused and intentional killing of as many civilians as possible. If genocide was the intention in Gaza, it would be easy, quick, and horrific.

And yes, Hamas greatly controls the news coming out of Gaza. Just like their very public executions of anyone who they label as a collaborator (which could really be expanded to anyone who threatens their hold on power in Gaza), the only media that operate in Gaza right now are those who Hamas allows to operate. Oddly, nary a mention about Hamas operative embedded in civilian enclaves, hospitals, mosques, churches, etc. That's what you get when you control the news.

And "lashed out in all directions...unnecessarily"? Come on, it's like you completely don't acknowledge Iran's proxies throughout the region. Hamas attacks on Oct 7, Hezbollah then commences a daily year long bombardment of the north of Isreal that prompts 100k to relocate for a year (that's about the population of Spokane Valley near you - is that cool if someone bombs that and all those people just have to up and leave?), and the Houthis send wave after wave of Iran-supplied drone attacks against Israel. To respond to all of those attacks, again coordinated through Iran (well, Oct 7 may have just been a Hamas thing, it did appear to catch even their enablers by surprise) they had to "lash" out in all directions. When you get attacked by all directions the response, by default, will be in all directions.

And it's hard to argue that it didn't work - Iran, along with their nuclear aims, is greatly diminished, Hezbollah is diminished, the Houthis have been running low on armaments, and people, even you, are finally talking about a future in Gaza that doesn't include Hamas terrorizing the population and exporting "globalize the intifada" to gullible audiences.

Somebody needs to do a welfare check on klam. I think Ganny might have murdered the poor fella. 🫣

I don’t blame you for cheering on Ganny. He’s far more capable than you and you clearly needed the help. Sadly…you still fell short.

[kalm]

Doesn’t Klam live off welfare checks?

“Live off them? Hell no.

But they do come in handy when paying for property taxes, maintenance, and improvements on two homes, restoring a couple of Porsche classics, and restoring 5 of our acres to native Palouse prairie habitat for upland birds and pollinators.

Why do you hate the bees and pheasants?

[BDKJMU]

My son lives in Chicago. He went to school in Chicago. I lived in 2 different neighborhoods in Chicago. I've worked with Chicago and Illinois politicians, unions and community groups to help people, many of them in "those neighborhoods" find good jobs. trump cares about them so much that he authorized:

• ICE agents to rappel from helicopters in the middle of the night to blow the doors off their apartments, making them unlivable, zip tie young children, separate them from their parents and detain them for hours.
• ICE agents to shoot a community pastor who was peacefully praying in the head with a pepper ball.
• The Border Patrol to violently detain a Chicago news producer who was filming them.

Yeah, you probably lived in Lincoln Park or some other pearly white magic kingdom type of a neighborhood

Why wasn’t the Chicago news anchor filming the gang shootouts ?

Do you really want me to comment on kids being separated from their parents for a few hours when half of those kids don’t even know where their fathers are

Remember, Black Fathers Matter …It all starts at home

And most importantly, why haven’t the local politicians that you worked with, tried to do anything about this situation for a half a century? I’m sure they’ve made efforts but obviously it was a complete failure.

Told this story before on here a couple of time, but it’s probably been a decade or so. In March 2005 went to a wedding in Chicago for my 2nd cousin. If I can remember it right my 2nd cousin’s soon to be husband’s brother in law was the younger brother to a guy by the name of Jack Ryan. Ryan won the March 2004 R primary for R Senator Peter Fitzgerald IL Senate seat (Fitzgerald wasn’t running for re election) The winner of the D primary was a guy by the name of Barack Obama. Ryan was supposedly going to have a good chance against Obama (may have been favored, don’t remember), but Ryan had to drop out that June due to scandal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_(politician)
The R’s ended up appointing a terrible candidate (Alan Keyes) to replace Ryan, whom Obama trounced that fall. And the rest is history.

The night before the wedding there was a pre wedding reception at the Lincoln Park home of the younger Ryan brother (he was early 40s at the time). (Jack Ryan as I recall wasn’t there). It was his wife’s brother that was marrying my 2nd cousin. The house at the time had to be multi million dollar. The younger Ryan apparently was an investment banker. Anyway, remember talking to the younger Ryan brother that night and the next night after the wedding reception at a bar. Talked some I-AA. This was only a few months after JMU had won the 2004 NC. The younger Ryan brother was a QB for Dartmouth in the early/mid 80s. Apparently Jack Ryan also played at Dartmouth.

Little did we know at the time that within the next 3 2/3 years Obama would win the 2008 donk primary and presidency. Years later I wondered if Jack Ryan hadn’t had that scandal would he have defeated Obama in that 04’ senate race, which likely would have meant Obama never becomes president

Anyway, I know. Cool story bro.

[Caribbean Hen]

BDK

Thanks for telling that story again!

Personal stories like that are the best thing on here

[UNI88]

Yeah, you probably lived in Lincoln Park or some other pearly white magic kingdom type of a neighborhood

Why wasn’t the Chicago news anchor filming the gang shootouts ?

Do you really want me to comment on kids being separated from their parents for a few hours when half of those kids don’t even know where their fathers are

Remember, Black Fathers Matter …It all starts at home

And most importantly, why haven’t the local politicians that you worked with, tried to do anything about this situation for a half a century? I’m sure they’ve made efforts but obviously it was a complete failure.

Told this story before on here a couple of time, but it’s probably been a decade or so. In March 2005 went to a wedding in Chicago for my 2nd cousin. If I can remember it right my 2nd cousin’s soon to be husband’s brother in law was the younger brother to a guy by the name of Jack Ryan. Ryan won the March 2004 R primary for R Senator Peter Fitzgerald IL Senate seat (Fitzgerald wasn’t running for re election) The winner of the D primary was a guy by the name of Barack Obama. Ryan was supposedly going to have a good chance against Obama (may have been favored, don’t remember), but Ryan had to drop out that June due to scandal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_(politician)
The R’s ended up appointing a terrible candidate (Alan Keyes) to replace Ryan, whom Obama trounced that fall. And the rest is history.

The night before the wedding there was a pre wedding reception at the Lincoln Park home of the younger Ryan brother (he was early 40s at the time). (Jack Ryan as I recall wasn’t there). It was his wife’s brother that was marrying my 2nd cousin. The house at the time had to be multi million dollar. The younger Ryan apparently was an investment banker. Anyway, remember talking to the younger Ryan brother that night and the next night after the wedding reception at a bar. Talked some I-AA. This was only a few months after JMU had won the 2004 NC. The younger Ryan brother was a QB for Dartmouth in the early/mid 80s. Apparently Jack Ryan also played at Dartmouth.

Little did we know at the time that within the next 3 2/3 years Obama would win the 2008 donk primary and presidency. Years later I wondered if Jack Ryan hadn’t had that scandal would he have defeated Obama in that 04’ senate race, which likely would have meant Obama never becomes president

Anyway, I know. Cool story bro.

I remember that scandal. It involved his wife at the time, Jeri Ryan of Star Trek fame (7 of 9) and sex clubs/swinging. He definitely had a shot against Obama if he hadn't pissed himself.

[kalm]

Glad Trump fixed all of this.

[kalm]

[Baldy]

Somebody needs to do a welfare check on klam. I think Ganny might have murdered the poor fella. 🫣

I don’t blame you for cheering on Ganny. He’s far more capable than you and you clearly needed the help. Sadly…you still fell short.

God bless Ganny for explaining it to you as if you're a special needs kid because I refuse to hold your hand any longer.

[BDKJMU]

BDK

Thanks for telling that story again!

Personal stories like that are the best thing on here

You‘re welcome!