Culture Wars

[GannonFan]

I don't think you can say one instance of restricting speech in the past is really any worse or better than restricting speech today. There aren't really levels to this, and at lower levels of restricting speech we're okay, but not at the higher levels. Freedom of Speech is that, it's freedom of speech. Period. Going after and attacking the credibility of those three researchers who put out that Great Barrington Declaration wasn't a good thing, it was eliminating speech of people based on nothing but not wanting them to be heard. The things done behind the scenes to pressure Facebook and Twitter and have them change algorithms so that the Hunter Biden story got squashed wasn't a good thing. Especially when you consider that they could've been doing this all the time, just hopping on the phone and calling those sites to dampen down stories or viewpoints, and it only came to light in this instance because people knew about it before the government acted. Having the head of the FCC threaten the licenses of ABC affiliates if Kimmel wasn't dropped, and basically dropped for being wrong about something that he wasn't really "proven" wrong on until the next day, is not a good thing.

This is where we need the ACLU (where are they? I haven't heard a peep from them in years it seems) or others to stand up, find cases to get behind, and take these issues to court. The reason why our government works, even when there are so many bad actors in the government trying their darndest to mess it up, is that there are three branches to it and it's very hard to co-opt all three of them at the same time (not to mention the federal structure of the country and how not everything is decided at the highest levels). Sure, Trump is issuing decrees every day it seems to run contrary to what this country has routinely stood for, and with Congress being self-neutered for the past couple of decades there's not a lot of hope for the legislature to do much, pending the next election. But the courts have been where Trump has routinely been restrained so far and where he'll continue to be restrained (e.g. look for him to be denied the ability to remove the Fed Gov Lisa Cook for instance). The unfortunate thing about having to go to court is that it takes time, but that's the reality of our government - it takes time to screw it up and it takes time to stop people from screwing it up.

In theory, speech is speech. I get that. But in practice, there are certainly different levels restrictions. SCOTUS found that the plaintiffs couldn’t demonstrate constitutional protections on speech. If there was throttling of the GBD by the government through coercion it wasn’t proven. Attacks on the credibility of the authors is another interesting 1A question.

Bottom line for me here is that NEITHER the government nor corporations who wield massive power themselves should be trusted. Further, in the current situation, all three branches have been largely co-opted.

What SCOTUS thing are you referring to here?

[kalm]

In theory, speech is speech. I get that. But in practice, there are certainly different levels restrictions. SCOTUS found that the plaintiffs couldn’t demonstrate constitutional protections on speech. If there was throttling of the GBD by the government through coercion it wasn’t proven. Attacks on the credibility of the authors is another interesting 1A question.

Bottom line for me here is that NEITHER the government nor corporations who wield massive power themselves should be trusted. Further, in the current situation, all three branches have been largely co-opted.

What SCOTUS thing are you referring to here?

SCOTUS ruled on the alleged government influence censoring of the the Great Barrington Declaration.

[GannonFan]

What SCOTUS thing are you referring to here?

SCOTUS ruled on the alleged government influence censoring of the the Great Barrington Declaration.

That case never really addressed the things you're saying it did - the case was settled on the lack of an Article III standing by the plaintiffs. Basically, SCOTUS punted that case.

[BDKJMU]

It's never a good thing. It wasn't a good thing when the Biden administration bullied social media and news sites to censor anything that didn't coincide perfectly with their views on COVID or vaccines. It wasn't good when the collective media decided to squash the Hunter Biden laptop story until well after the election. And it's certainly not good now when Trump or one of his appointees demand the removal of anyone from the public airwaves because they didn't like what they said. There has been far too much government overreach into public speech both on the airwaves and on the internet. On issues of speech, if people don't like what someone is saying, they are welcome to turn the channel. Very few people in the grand scheme of things actually watch Kimmel - it is a dying vestige of an earlier age of television. But that doesn't justify pushing him off the air. This is not a good thing.

Yes…silencing speech is bad regardless of where it’s coming from. I don’t think what happened in the past compares to what’s currently going on. There are times where one side is more guilty. There can also be significant differences regarding motivations and subjects.

As I previously posted, FCC chair Brendan Carr admits this was part of the project 25 agenda. They were going to do it before Kirk as killed and Kimmel made some fairly benign comments in his monologue.

Baloney. Like I said on the ‘War On Free Speech’ thread:
The Biden admin spent four years in a massive censorship campaign against the right by using Biden admin officials and their proxies to pressure Big Social Media to censor anyone who questioned the lefts prevailing narrative on Hunter’s laptop, J6, Covid, BLM, Trans, etc, etc.

[BDKJMU]

Number of New Chapter Requests for TPUSA Explodes—'This Will Birth an Army of Charlie Kirks'
https://redstate.com/bobhoge/2025/09/14 ... s-n2193945

Make that 62,000. A massive conservative movement is being unleashed at HS and college campuses nationwide..

[BDKJMU]

[BDKJMU]

Mayor of Chicago: “Law Enforcement is a sickness”

[BDKJMU]

Consequence Culture.

[BDKJMU]

Rashida Taliban is UNHINGED.

[UNI88]

Yes…silencing speech is bad regardless of where it’s coming from. I don’t think what happened in the past compares to what’s currently going on. There are times where one side is more guilty. There can also be significant differences regarding motivations and subjects.

As I previously posted, FCC chair Brendan Carr admits this was part of the project 25 agenda. They were going to do it before Kirk as killed and Kimmel made some fairly benign comments in his monologue.

Baloney. Like I said on the ‘War On Free Speech’ thread:
The Biden admin spent four years in a massive censorship campaign against the right by using Biden admin officials and their proxies to pressure Big Social Media to censor anyone who questioned the lefts prevailing narrative on Hunter’s laptop, J6, Covid, BLM, Trans, etc, etc.

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

biden was wrong now trump is wrong.


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[kalm]

Yes…silencing speech is bad regardless of where it’s coming from. I don’t think what happened in the past compares to what’s currently going on. There are times where one side is more guilty. There can also be significant differences regarding motivations and subjects.

As I previously posted, FCC chair Brendan Carr admits this was part of the project 25 agenda. They were going to do it before Kirk as killed and Kimmel made some fairly benign comments in his monologue.

Baloney. Like I said on the ‘War On Free Speech’ thread:
The Biden admin spent four years in a massive censorship campaign against the right by using Biden admin officials and their proxies to pressure Big Social Media to censor anyone who questioned the lefts prevailing narrative on Hunter’s laptop, J6, Covid, BLM, Trans, etc, etc.

Where’s the evidence? It was adjudicated.

The two are not comparable.

[kalm]

Rashida Taliban is UNHINGED.

You act as though being called a fascist is an insult.

[BDKJMU]

I don't think it being covert or overt makes much of a difference. And frankly, at least with overt, we know what's happening and can react to it. Like I said, there's been so much already that the courts have blocked Trump from doing, and they will continue to block for the next 4 years, that are the purposeful, designed saving grace of our government. Unfortunately they tend to be reactionary and therefore a little slow, but at least they work.

As for the weaponization of the DoJ and IC, well first, we of course know it was done against Trump, there's no "if" there. Sure, some of it was at the lower levels, like we saw with the case he was convicted on with much judicial bending in New York. But second, the Jack Smith case was ultimately ruled by politics. Trump should have been charged with those charges within a year of Jan 6th, but for political reasons, it was slow walked in order for Trump to still be the candidate to run against and to be a campaign issue in 2024. Unfortunately for the Dems and ultimately the voters, that also led to the disastrous decision by Biden, thinking he was the only candidate who could beat Trump, to not step aside until it was too late and the damage was done. But the effort to use the wheels of justice to line up a candidate and then beat them because of it was always in plain sight, it just didn't come with the crass brashness that accompanies when Trump does the same machinations.

I might agree with you about covert or overt no making much of a difference if it weren't for SCOTUS rulings in trump's favor. It's fair to ask if they would have ruled the same if the case involved a Democratic POTUS.

I disagree about there being no "if" there on the weaponization of the DoJ and IC.

It's a matter of opinion but trump's actions following the 2020 election (January 6, calling state officials attempting to coerce them into "finding" votes or no certifying results, etc.) justified an investigation and likely the indictments. He intentionally obstructed the return of classified documents to the point that he had to be served with a subpoena. That investigation and likely the indictments were also justified.

Regardless (or irregardless for CID) of the poor timing, those investigations and indictments were justified by trump's words and actions. They are not examples/proof that the DoJ was weaponized against trump.

Lawl apparently you haven’t heard of Crossfire Hurricane and the Steele Dossier.

Lawl if you don’t think the cases against Trump were timed to coincide with an election year then I have some oceanfront property in Iowa to sell you.

The #3 at the DOJ took a major demotion to become an assistant DA in NYC then just happened to get assigned the NY case. Lawl if you don’t think there was Biden admin coordination in the NY criminal case with Bragg’s office, then I have some oceanfront property in AZ to sell you.

[Caribbean Hen]

Baloney. Like I said on the ‘War On Free Speech’ thread:
The Biden admin spent four years in a massive censorship campaign against the right by using Biden admin officials and their proxies to pressure Big Social Media to censor anyone who questioned the lefts prevailing narrative on Hunter’s laptop, J6, Covid, BLM, Trans, etc, etc.

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

biden was wrong now trump is wrong.


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Stop

You were totally fine with Joey the Con and everything his idiotic administration tried to do to Trump.

Even queen Kalmela has turned on Joey Rotten… but only trying to cash in of course…. Pathetic both of em

[BDKJMU]

Baloney. Like I said on the ‘War On Free Speech’ thread:
The Biden admin spent four years in a massive censorship campaign against the right by using Biden admin officials and their proxies to pressure Big Social Media to censor anyone who questioned the lefts prevailing narrative on Hunter’s laptop, J6, Covid, BLM, Trans, etc, etc.

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

biden was wrong now trump is wrong.


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Someone punches you in the face, you punch them back. Harder.

[kalm]

[kalm]

[BDKJMU]

Wow indeed.

[BDKJMU]

More proof that the NYT is Fake News. Published after Rouh found guilty:

[kalm]

But people with green hair are the true deviants.

[BDKJMU]

Congressional hearing in Charlotte yesterday:

[UNI88]

[BDKJMU]

Anyone who believes we won‘t have an election in 2028 is a certifiable moron. Well, with Newsome, the proof is in.
Code Red.


Run Newscum Run

[kalm]

What kind of Christian culture is this?

[UNI88]

Anyone who believes we won‘t have an election in 2028 is a certifiable moron. Well, with Newsome, the proof is in.
Code Red.


Run Newscum Run

We’ll see. trump declaring war on the American people could be a step toward him attempting to declare martial law and no elections.

We can be certain that if that does happen you’ll be on here twisting yourself into logical pretzels telling us why it was justified. The question will be: how will the SS and military respond? Will they honor their oath to the Constitution and arrest trump or will it be the end of the republic?


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