2025 Schumer Shutdown

[BDKJMU]

Democrats Are Walking Into a Trap

With a government shutdown looming, Democrats are clanging like cymbals, accusing Republicans of not wanting to fund "healthcare." Of course, the truth of the matter is far different from their pronouncements. What's being "cut" are COVID-era emergency appropriations that Democrats set to expire in the Inflation Reduction Act.

Then there's the issue of funding for healthcare for illegal aliens, which is part of the $1.5 trillion "hostage" deal exposed by Vice President JD Vance and House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA).

But while Democrats are no doubt responsible for marching America toward another shutdown, given they'd be the ones blocking a clean funding bill, they would also be marching themselves into a trap. If the clock strikes midnight and there's no continuing resolution, the Trump administration will be able to go nuclear on the bureaucracies, which remain the primary power center for the left.

In fact, a memo has already been set out by OMB telling various government agencies to prepare for mass firings…

….This is where things get really interesting. Because the funding would no longer exist for programs that aren't required by statute, those staff reductions would not be considered layoffs. Instead of being furloughed and brought back the moment the lights come back on, as in past shutdowns, those bureaucrats would have no right to return. Further, the administration would then be able to fill any vacancies it wants to keep with those in line with President Donald Trump's agenda.

That leaves Democrats with very little leverage in negotiations as the deadline looms. If they choose to plow forward with shutting the government down to virtue signal for illegal immigration, they will end up taking a hatchet to the embedded bureaucracy, their primary source of policy influence.

So are they bluffing? I'm starting to think so. No doubt Schumer and company are more than willing to screw over Americans, but are they willing to screw over themselves? Color me skeptical they'll give Trump that big of a win just to garner a few more backslaps from MSNBC. I think there's a good chance Democrats back down in the eleventh hour...

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2025/09/30 ... p-n2194556
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/2 ... n-00579909

[kalm]

Democrats Are Walking Into a Trap

With a government shutdown looming, Democrats are clanging like cymbals, accusing Republicans of not wanting to fund "healthcare." Of course, the truth of the matter is far different from their pronouncements. What's being "cut" are COVID-era emergency appropriations that Democrats set to expire in the Inflation Reduction Act.

Then there's the issue of funding for healthcare for illegal aliens, which is part of the $1.5 trillion "hostage" deal exposed by Vice President JD Vance and House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA).

But while Democrats are no doubt responsible for marching America toward another shutdown, given they'd be the ones blocking a clean funding bill, they would also be marching themselves into a trap. If the clock strikes midnight and there's no continuing resolution, the Trump administration will be able to go nuclear on the bureaucracies, which remain the primary power center for the left.

In fact, a memo has already been set out by OMB telling various government agencies to prepare for mass firings…

….This is where things get really interesting. Because the funding would no longer exist for programs that aren't required by statute, those staff reductions would not be considered layoffs. Instead of being furloughed and brought back the moment the lights come back on, as in past shutdowns, those bureaucrats would have no right to return. Further, the administration would then be able to fill any vacancies it wants to keep with those in line with President Donald Trump's agenda.

That leaves Democrats with very little leverage in negotiations as the deadline looms. If they choose to plow forward with shutting the government down to virtue signal for illegal immigration, they will end up taking a hatchet to the embedded bureaucracy, their primary source of policy influence.

So are they bluffing? I'm starting to think so. No doubt Schumer and company are more than willing to screw over Americans, but are they willing to screw over themselves? Color me skeptical they'll give Trump that big of a win just to garner a few more backslaps from MSNBC. I think there's a good chance Democrats back down in the eleventh hour...

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2025/09/30 ... p-n2194556
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/2 ... n-00579909

Regardless, will premiums go up under the Republican plan? If so, by how much? Are there any predicted losses of coverage? How many people will this effect?

The R’s control both houses and the presidency. The ball is in their court.

[BDKJMU]

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2025/09/30 ... p-n2194556
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/2 ... n-00579909

Regardless, will premiums go up under the Republican plan? If so, by how much? Are there any predicted losses of coverage? How many people will this effect?

The R’s control both houses and the presidency. The ball is in their court.

The program was written by donks during Covid to deal with the effects of COVID, and was set to expire. Newsflash: Covid is over.

Conks don‘t have 60 seats in the Senate.

Donks refuse to go along with clean spending bill. Donks insist on health care funding for illegal aliens.

I hope they do the 17% govt shutdown (83% govt spending won‘t be affected). But a whole lot of donk voting govt employees going to get terminated vs furloughed.

[GannonFan]

Agreed, the Dems are playing stupid on this. It's a continuing resolution, not the spending bill itself. If they want to try to keep bargaining to get the COVID-related subsidies included, it's for the spending bill, not the continuing resolution. It's the same way the Dems blamed the GOP for shutdowns in the past when they, the GOP, wouldn't agree to continuing resolutions to try to leverage their pet issues. This would push the ball out to late November, so agreeing to this continuing resolution doesn't commit them to anything. But just like the far right forced the GOP's hand in past shutdowns, the far left is doing the same this time to Dems. Schumer knows he gets primaried if he doesn't take a stand, and he's the type of politician who can't contemplate not staying in office. So even if it's a bad idea for the Dems to force the shutdown now, they're going to force the shutdown. This won't end well for Dems nor a lot of Americans.

[Caribbean Hen]

It’s Chuckie the evil bad seed

Trying to save face with the progressive leftist lunatics that are taking over the pathetic Democratic Party

[BDKJMU]

[kalm]

Does this assign blame to either side? Otherwise, no one wants a shutdown.

[kalm]

Trunp: pro- subsidized healthcare.

[GannonFan]

Does this assign blame to either side? Otherwise, no one wants a shutdown.

The Dems seem to be just fine shutting it down, just like the minority GOP was fine shutting it down the previous times. They could be negotiating right now on the what the Dems want (the COVID-related subsidies extension and the Medicaid cuts) with the government open but they choose to shut it down rather than pass the continuing resolution that would've kicked the can down the road for another 6 weeks or so while they negotiate. And they'd have the benefit of people starting to see their premiums increase which would put the Dems into even better negotiating position to get more of what they want if they did this later. This didn't need to be shut down right now, but again, Schumer knows when the primaries are and he needs to look resolute to avoid a real challenge next spring. He got the message loud and clear from the far left when he let things pass this past spring. He didn't dare risk the chance for an opponent to get momentum and into the race as they could've if we waited to pull the government shutdown card at the end of the calendar year. It had to be now for his own politics and his own pocketbook. When he gets reelected next year he'll be able to ride out this job and the perks that come with it into his 80's. So like Trump, and like Pelosi, and like so many other 80 year old plus politicians, it's more about what they can get from government and their seat in it that really drives their motivations.

[Caribbean Hen]

Obviously the Dems don’t give a crap what the voters wanted, Dem approval ratings at all time low at 30%

They have no ideas much less any good ideas

[BDKJMU]

Does this assign blame to either side? Otherwise, no one wants a shutdown.

The Dems seem to be just fine shutting it down, just like the minority GOP was fine shutting it down the previous times. They could be negotiating right now on the what the Dems want (the COVID-related subsidies extension and the Medicaid cuts) with the government open but they choose to shut it down rather than pass the continuing resolution that would've kicked the can down the road for another 6 weeks or so while they negotiate. And they'd have the benefit of people starting to see their premiums increase which would put the Dems into even better negotiating position to get more of what they want if they did this later. This didn't need to be shut down right now, but again, Schumer knows when the primaries are and he needs to look resolute to avoid a real challenge next spring. He got the message loud and clear from the far left when he let things pass this past spring. He didn't dare risk the chance for an opponent to get momentum and into the race as they could've if we waited to pull the government shutdown card at the end of the calendar year. It had to be now for his own politics and his own pocketbook. When he gets reelected next year he'll be able to ride out this job and the perks that come with it into his 80's. So like Trump, and like Pelosi, and like so many other 80 year old plus politicians, it's more about what they can get from government and their seat in it that really drives their motivations.

The reason for the Schumer Shutdown stated almost as well as JD.

[UNI88]

Who gets blamed for a shutdown? Polls show nation is divided.

In two national surveys released Sept. 30, Americans were more likely to blame Republicans than Democrats for a government shutdown, though results were mixed as to who would be considered most at fault. In a separate poll released the same day, Americans had a gloomy view of much of government, with more negative than positive takes on President Donald Trump, Vice President JD Vance and congressional leaders on both sides of the aisle.
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In a five-day New York Times survey, most U.S. voters surveyed said both parties would be at fault for a shutdown, at 33%. Yet between the two parties, a little more than a quarter of respondents, 26%, said they would blame congressional Republicans and President Donald Trump, and 19% pointed their fingers at the Democrats. Another 21% said they had not heard enough about the shutdown to say who was responsible.
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Independent voters held an even dimmer view of Republicans in the survey, with respondents twice as likely to assign blame to Trump and the GOP than to Democrats. Though respondents considered Democrats less at fault than Republicans, two-thirds said Democrats should not shut down the government if their demands are not met.

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[BDKJMU]

10 for 10 democrats approve taxpayer funded healthcare for illegal aliens.

[BDKJMU]

Courtesy of the Schumer Shutdown!

[Caribbean Hen]

“It is not normal to shut down the government when we don’t get what we want,” Ocasio-Cortez said.

“If the government shuts down, it will be average Americans who suffer most. A government shutdown means seniors who rely on Social Security could be thrown into chaos,” Schumer said.

“Families will be hurt. Farmers will be hurt,” Jeffries said.
“It’s the service members who will work without a paycheck. It’s the firefighters who will be furloughed,” Clark said.

[kalm]

Courtesy of the Schumer Shutdown!

Illegal if any red states continue to receive it.

(Not that the law or constitution matter to these guys.)

[UNI88]

[SeattleGriz]

Courtesy of the Schumer Shutdown!

Illegal if any red states continue to receive it.

(Not that the law or constitution matter to these guys.)

Now Klan cares about the law or the constitution.

[BDKJMU]

“It is not normal to shut down the government when we don’t get what we want,” Ocasio-Cortez said.

“If the government shuts down, it will be average Americans who suffer most. A government shutdown means seniors who rely on Social Security could be thrown into chaos,” Schumer said.

“Families will be hurt. Farmers will be hurt,” Jeffries said.
“It’s the service members who will work without a paycheck. It’s the firefighters who will be furloughed,” Clark said.

Most of the country can‘t tell and doesn‘t care that there‘s a 1/6th govt shutdown.

[GannonFan]

“It is not normal to shut down the government when we don’t get what we want,” Ocasio-Cortez said.

“If the government shuts down, it will be average Americans who suffer most. A government shutdown means seniors who rely on Social Security could be thrown into chaos,” Schumer said.

“Families will be hurt. Farmers will be hurt,” Jeffries said.
“It’s the service members who will work without a paycheck. It’s the firefighters who will be furloughed,” Clark said.

Most of the country can‘t tell and doesn‘t care that there‘s a 1/6th govt shutdown.

Agreed, unless you have an active tie to the government, you may not even notice. We notice - my son's a mid at the Naval Academy and full time civilian professors (not the adjunct ones, who are paid differently) are not teaching. Two of my kids classes are impacted - he's basically self-learning Intro to Electrical Engineering and has a different professor for a computer engineering course. He's lucky, for some other mids classes are just cancelled or they are double and triple in size. It doesn't have to happen. Their education, which is the education of our future officer corps in all branches of the military, doesn't need to be impacted. There's literally no reason to have the government closed right now, rather than at year end, other than Schumer's desire to stave off a primary challenge, which can be done better now with a shutdown to show he's tough. Performative politics is seldom for the good of the country.

[Caribbean Hen]

Here we are $37 trillion in debt and Republicans pass legislation to Cut 1.5 trillion in spending …. Wow not really that much

The Democrats lost the election and this is what Americans voted for…. And we have two Dem idiots orchestrating this whole problem because they are entitled little punks that represent the same

[BDKJMU]

The real BS is while federal workers don‘t get paid while the shutdown is going on (essential will get back and every time in the past non essential has also) Congress will continue to get their paychecks. Complete BS and a pox on both sides (conk and donk).

[GannonFan]

The real BS is while federal workers don‘t get paid while the shutdown is going on (essential will get back and every time in the past non essential has also) Congress will continue to get their paychecks. Complete BS and a pox on both sides (conk and donk).

There is literally no reason to shut down the government other than politics and posturing. Everything they are concerned about and working on (assuming they are really concerned and assuming they are really working on it) could be done with the government open and the million or so people current impacted wouldn't be impacted. It was dumb all the times the GOP did this before and it's dumb now that the Dems are doing it. Politics at its worst.

[Caribbean Hen]

The real BS is while federal workers don‘t get paid while the shutdown is going on (essential will get back and every time in the past non essential has also) Congress will continue to get their paychecks. Complete BS and a pox on both sides (conk and donk).

Couldn’t agree more

[UNI88]

The real BS is while federal workers don‘t get paid while the shutdown is going on (essential will get back and every time in the past non essential has also) Congress will continue to get their paychecks. Complete BS and a pox on both sides (conk and donk).

If they'd turn off the spigot on trump's grift this thing would be resolved n hours. He'd place a threatening call to lil' mikey johnson demanding he do whatever it took to get it turned back on.